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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:49 am

USAOZ wrote:
zkncj wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:

I don’t see the PPT crowd wanting to head down to TIJ first. Either from Paris or San Diego.


If you live in San Diego region or anywhere south of LA, who the hell would want to make their way to very congested LAX, when CBX is on south side of San Diego.


Nobody wants to go to Tijuana to get to PPT. Let's get real.
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:41 am

travelin man wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
zkncj wrote:

If you live in San Diego region or anywhere south of LA, who the hell would want to make their way to very congested LAX, when CBX is on south side of San Diego.


Nobody wants to go to Tijuana to get to PPT. Let's get real.
do you understand that CBX means you can go to TIJ from San Diego side of border & walk across a bridge to TIJ ? Walk is shorter than at many other airports, from check in to the actual aircraft.
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:42 am

USAOZ wrote:
travelin man wrote:
USAOZ wrote:


Nobody wants to go to Tijuana to get to PPT. Let's get real.
do you understand that CBX means you can go to TIJ from San Diego side of border & walk across a bridge to TIJ ? Walk is shorter than at many other airports, check in to the actual aircraft.


It doesn’t matter. No one going to PPT wants to do a land crossing to Mexico first even if it isn’t that hard. It would be a massive fail.
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:55 am

SFOtoORD wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
travelin man wrote:

Nobody wants to go to Tijuana to get to PPT. Let's get real.
do you understand that CBX means you can go to TIJ from San Diego side of border & walk across a bridge to TIJ ? Walk is shorter than at many other airports, check in to the actual aircraft.


It doesn’t matter. No one going to PPT wants to do a land crossing to Mexico first even if it isn’t that hard. It would be a massive fail.
disagree completely. How else can you get from San Diego to PPT ? Drive/shuttle to LAX ?

& cost ?

French Blue would be much cheaper & better than any option out of LAX.
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:11 am

thinking about it, why wouldn't French Blue continue onto Australia, like AOM used to?
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:19 am

USAOZ wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
do you understand that CBX means you can go to TIJ from San Diego side of border & walk across a bridge to TIJ ? Walk is shorter than at many other airports, check in to the actual aircraft.


It doesn’t matter. No one going to PPT wants to do a land crossing to Mexico first even if it isn’t that hard. It would be a massive fail.
disagree completely. How else can you get from San Diego to PPT ? Drive/shuttle to LAX ?

& cost ?

French Blue would be much cheaper & better than any option out of LAX.


Why would French Blue be much cheaper? Or Better?

PPT is about as premium of a vacation destination as exists. No secondary airports. If someone from San Diego wants to fly to PPT, they get there the way they do today. Fly to LAX. What there, 20 flights a day?
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:30 am

airzona11 wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:

It doesn’t matter. No one going to PPT wants to do a land crossing to Mexico first even if it isn’t that hard. It would be a massive fail.
disagree completely. How else can you get from San Diego to PPT ? Drive/shuttle to LAX ?

& cost ?

French Blue would be much cheaper & better than any option out of LAX.


Why would French Blue be much cheaper? Or Better?

PPT is about as premium of a vacation destination as exists. No secondary airports. If someone from San Diego wants to fly to PPT, they get there the way they do today. Fly to LAX. What there, 20 flights a day?
French Blue are low cost !!!
to
Better-just having a dig, by being low cost, they much be better value.

So why would anyone who lived in San Diego want to spend time flying to LAX, sit around for min 2 hours to fly to PPT, when they could go nonstop ?
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:47 am

Jumping in here but why specifically San Diego?

Not every airport has to have a direct link from A to B it's all about supply and demand and a direct San Diego to PPT has neither, as pointed out there are numerous flights a day from San Diego to LAX to connect to a flight to PPT or any other destination just like anyone else would from the likes of San Francisco, San Jose, Seattle, etc.
 
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Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:11 am

Cunard wrote:
Jumping in here but why specifically San Diego?

Not every airport has to have a direct link from A to B it's all about supply and demand and a direct San Diego to PPT has neither, as pointed out there are numerous flights a day from San Diego to LAX to connect to a flight to PPT or any other destination just like anyone else would from the likes of San Francisco, San Jose, Seattle, etc.

huge population between LAX & Mexico border. Who would want to spend hours getting from San Diego to LAX to fly anywhere when could go nonstop cheaper ?

think about it, get to SAN at least 2 hours before flight to LAX, then min connecting time at LAX, then finally get flight to PPT, or Paris CDG or in this case, ORY.
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:11 am

My understanding of the AF/TN and the possible BF flights via LAX and SFO respectively is to move passengers between Metro France and French Polynesia. The stops in LAX and SFO exist because there is no aircraft in existence that can fly PAR-PPT nonstop.

The added bonus beyond being along the GC path is that LAX and SFO are popular destinations for French passengers that helps fill the aircraft PAR-LAX/SFO and LAX/SFO are large population centers with affluent residents to help fill the LAX/SFO-PPT legs. SAN, as great a city as it is, cannot compete with the aforementioned California markets in the regard.

Even if SAN were to offer cheaper user fees, or even incentives to have the flight stop in SAN over SFO it would be easily negated by the lack of market.

77H
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:29 pm

77H wrote:
My understanding of the AF/TN and the possible BF flights via LAX and SFO respectively is to move passengers between Metro France and French Polynesia. The stops in LAX and SFO exist because there is no aircraft in existence that can fly PAR-PPT nonstop.

The added bonus beyond being along the GC path is that LAX and SFO are popular destinations for French passengers that helps fill the aircraft PAR-LAX/SFO and LAX/SFO are large population centers with affluent residents to help fill the LAX/SFO-PPT legs. SAN, as great a city as it is, cannot compete with the aforementioned California markets in the regard.

Even if SAN were to offer cheaper user fees, or even incentives to have the flight stop in SAN over SFO it would be easily negated by the lack of market.

77H

but if TIJ/CBX used instead of SAN, then surely big savings in U.S. charges & San Diego residents & those living between SAN & say LAX, would have nonstop LCC service to ORY & PPT (for Paris, rather than having to go via Iceland)
 
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Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:24 pm

USAOZ wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
do you understand that CBX means you can go to TIJ from San Diego side of border & walk across a bridge to TIJ ? Walk is shorter than at many other airports, check in to the actual aircraft.


It doesn’t matter. No one going to PPT wants to do a land crossing to Mexico first even if it isn’t that hard. It would be a massive fail.
disagree completely. How else can you get from San Diego to PPT ? Drive/shuttle to LAX ?

& cost ?

French Blue would be much cheaper & better than any option out of LAX.


Yes. They’ll go to LAX. This type of traveler isn’t looking for a budget holiday. TIJ would be a spectacular failure. I’m not even sure where you’re getting this idea anyway. Do you have some data that shows there is a massive SAN-PPT market?
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:04 pm

zkncj wrote:

Agreed PPT is no budget holiday, nor is most of the Pacific.


I found Fiji very inexpensive, ditto for Vanuatu, but New Caledonia was a different story.
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:40 pm

USAOZ wrote:
77H wrote:
My understanding of the AF/TN and the possible BF flights via LAX and SFO respectively is to move passengers between Metro France and French Polynesia. The stops in LAX and SFO exist because there is no aircraft in existence that can fly PAR-PPT nonstop.

The added bonus beyond being along the GC path is that LAX and SFO are popular destinations for French passengers that helps fill the aircraft PAR-LAX/SFO and LAX/SFO are large population centers with affluent residents to help fill the LAX/SFO-PPT legs. SAN, as great a city as it is, cannot compete with the aforementioned California markets in the regard.

Even if SAN were to offer cheaper user fees, or even incentives to have the flight stop in SAN over SFO it would be easily negated by the lack of market.

77H

but if TIJ/CBX used instead of SAN, then surely big savings in U.S. charges & San Diego residents & those living between SAN & say LAX, would have nonstop LCC service to ORY & PPT (for Paris, rather than having to go via Iceland)



Way off on this! Travel to PPT is a Niche market, and a very premium expensive vacation. Yes, San Diego area does have people that have the funds to fly to PPT. That is why they travel through LAX. Even SFO(Bay Area) is getting it's first non-stop to PPT in a long time, and it's one of the highest wealth capitols in the world today. Nobody is crossing into mexico, to go to PPT, give it up....
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:23 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:

It doesn’t matter. No one going to PPT wants to do a land crossing to Mexico first even if it isn’t that hard. It would be a massive fail.
disagree completely. How else can you get from San Diego to PPT ? Drive/shuttle to LAX ?

& cost ?

French Blue would be much cheaper & better than any option out of LAX.


Yes. They’ll go to LAX. This type of traveler isn’t looking for a budget holiday. TIJ would be a spectacular failure. I’m not even sure where you’re getting this idea anyway. Do you have some data that shows there is a massive SAN-PPT market?[/quote)

so you're suggesting that majority of pax would rather spend an extra 5 hours minimum travelling via one of the worst airports for transferring, rather than go nonstop on an LCC going via CBX(not entering via TIJ side) to PPT & Paris ?

What about all those pax who just want to pay less for airfare ?
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:33 pm

babastud wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
77H wrote:
My understanding of the AF/TN and the possible BF flights via LAX and SFO respectively is to move passengers between Metro France and French Polynesia. The stops in LAX and SFO exist because there is no aircraft in existence that can fly PAR-PPT nonstop.

The added bonus beyond being along the GC path is that LAX and SFO are popular destinations for French passengers that helps fill the aircraft PAR-LAX/SFO and LAX/SFO are large population centers with affluent residents to help fill the LAX/SFO-PPT legs. SAN, as great a city as it is, cannot compete with the aforementioned California markets in the regard.

Even if SAN were to offer cheaper user fees, or even incentives to have the flight stop in SAN over SFO it would be easily negated by the lack of market.

77H

but if TIJ/CBX used instead of SAN, then surely big savings in U.S. charges & San Diego residents & those living between SAN & say LAX, would have nonstop LCC service to ORY & PPT (for Paris, rather than having to go via Iceland)



Way off on this! Travel to PPT is a Niche market, and a very premium expensive vacation. Yes, San Diego area does have people that have the funds to fly to PPT. That is why they travel through LAX. Even SFO(Bay Area) is getting it's first non-stop to PPT in a long time, and it's one of the highest wealth capitols in the world today. Nobody is crossing into mexico, to go to PPT, give it up....
SFO/PPT is French Blue & many of the wealthy around SFO will fly them, as otherwise they have to go via LAX. So think not only should French Blue fly ORY/TIJ/PPT, but think they should also look at ORY/YVR or YXX/PPT. We're not talking daily but rather twice a week.

Another thing, BF should maybe look at is a further extension to Australia, but not SYD. AOM used to fly, ORY/LAX/PPT/NOU/SYD up until take over in 2001, if my memory serves me correctly. A high density A350/A333 could probably not do SFO/Australia nonstop without some sort of weight restriction, so a quick stop in PPT,might work well + it would provide Australians with a nonstop route to PPT.

Also a direct(2 stop) Australia/Paris LCC service with quick stops at PPT & SFO might be competitive with other 1 stops via Asia/Middle East.
 
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Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:03 am

USAOZ wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
disagree completely. How else can you get from San Diego to PPT ? Drive/shuttle to LAX ?

& cost ?

French Blue would be much cheaper & better than any option out of LAX.


Yes. They’ll go to LAX. This type of traveler isn’t looking for a budget holiday. TIJ would be a spectacular failure. I’m not even sure where you’re getting this idea anyway. Do you have some data that shows there is a massive SAN-PPT market?[/quote)

so you're suggesting that majority of pax would rather spend an extra 5 hours minimum travelling via one of the worst airports for transferring, rather than go nonstop on an LCC going via CBX(not entering via TIJ side) to PPT & Paris ?

What about all those pax who just want to pay less for airfare ?


Yes, they’ll go to LA. TIJ-PPT has to be the dumbest long haul flight suggestion I’ve ever heard. Literally not a single person going from Southern California to PPT wants to go to TIJ first. No one.
 
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Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:38 am

SFOtoORD wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:


Yes. They’ll go to LAX. This type of traveler isn’t looking for a budget holiday. TIJ would be a spectacular failure. I’m not even sure where you’re getting this idea anyway. Do you have some data that shows there is a massive SAN-PPT market?[/quote)

so you're suggesting that majority of pax would rather spend an extra 5 hours minimum travelling via one of the worst airports for transferring, rather than go nonstop on an LCC going via CBX(not entering via TIJ side) to PPT & Paris ?

What about all those pax who just want to pay less for airfare ?


Yes, they’ll go to LA. TIJ-PPT has to be the dumbest long haul flight suggestion I’ve ever heard. Literally not a single person going from Southern California to PPT wants to go to TIJ first. No one.
you do realise that from San Diego side, they can access TIJ thru CBX without having to enter Mexico 1st. They don't enter TIJ from Mexico side. No driving into Mexico, as that would have car insurance implications.

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Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:58 am

USAOZ wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
USAOZ wrote:

Yes. They’ll go to LAX. This type of traveler isn’t looking for a budget holiday. TIJ would be a spectacular failure. I’m not even sure where you’re getting this idea anyway. Do you have some data that shows there is a massive SAN-PPT market?[/quote)

so you're suggesting that majority of pax would rather spend an extra 5 hours minimum travelling via one of the worst airports for transferring, rather than go nonstop on an LCC going via CBX(not entering via TIJ side) to PPT & Paris ?

What about all those pax who just want to pay less for airfare ?


Yes, they’ll go to LA. TIJ-PPT has to be the dumbest long haul flight suggestion I’ve ever heard. Literally not a single person going from Southern California to PPT wants to go to TIJ first. No one.
you do realise that from San Diego side, they can access TIJ thru CBX without having to enter Mexico 1st. They don't enter TIJ from Mexico side. No driving into Mexico, as that would have car insurance implications.

Check out

https://www.crossborderxpress.com/getting-here


I 100% understand that. It’s still a dumb idea because no one in SoCal going to PPT is thinking about going via TIJ. The airline would make more money setting 2K lbs of fuel on fire.
 
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Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:06 am

SFOtoORD wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:

Yes, they’ll go to LA. TIJ-PPT has to be the dumbest long haul flight suggestion I’ve ever heard. Literally not a single person going from Southern California to PPT wants to go to TIJ first. No one.
you do realise that from San Diego side, they can access TIJ thru CBX without having to enter Mexico 1st. They don't enter TIJ from Mexico side. No driving into Mexico, as that would have car insurance implications.

Check out

https://www.crossborderxpress.com/getting-here


I 100% understand that. It’s still a dumb idea because no one in SoCal going to PPT is thinking about going via TIJ. The airline would make more money setting 2K lbs of fuel on fire.

from SoCal side it's not TIJ/PPT but CBX/PPT but without most of the U.S. hassles. you simply park or get dropped off on the San diego side, but no U.S. security charges. Costs are virtually the same if flew TIJ/PPT, except have to pay a small fee to walk across the short pedestrian bridge.

I think it's brilliant, the more I think about it. Understand why legacies don't use CBX, but LCC's should love it.
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:35 am

Could someone please remind me why there are no freedom rights for u.s. passengers to use this flight? I tried searching fares for SFO-PPT/ORY and it seems that only the French originating/terminating is allowed.
 
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:18 am

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Could someone please remind me why there are no freedom rights for u.s. passengers to use this flight? I tried searching fares for SFO-PPT/ORY and it seems that only the French originating/terminating is allowed.

presume this means they rights aren't sorted yet. When are they due to commence ? Middle of 2018 is it ?
 
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:22 am

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... 18-launch/
Begin 11 May 2018, SFO is a technical stop until approval from the US.
 
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:26 am

simpv wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/276143/french-blue-confirms-tahiti-may-2018-launch/
Begin 11 May 2018, SFO is a technical stop until approval from the US.

so hopefully they get U.S. approval soon, otherwise they would be better off flying via TIJ & provide service for all those americans living south of LA via CBX.
 
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:06 am

As said earlier the stop is either in LAX or SFO because these are cities of interest to French people. Including French people in PPT.

The Mexican border isn't like that.
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:46 am

Aesma wrote:
As said earlier the stop is either in LAX or SFO because these are cities of interest to French people. Including French people in PPT.

The Mexican border isn't like that.

TIJ is San Diego when you go thru CBX !!!

It's also only 2 hours drive south of LAX. An LCC like French Blue, will be cheaper than anything into SFO or LAX & even if pax wanted to go to LA, the price difference would lead many down to TIJ(San Diego). Some very nice parts of the world between San Diego & LA as well.

+ The old Southwest rule ... pax will drive for 2 hours to save $5 & that's just for a domestic flight.
 
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:32 am

Those suggesting CBX are crazy in my opinion. Why would anyone drive from LAX, or even SAN, pay $30 to CBX, plus $20/day of parking, just to fly from Tijuana? Not only would it be way more time consuming than just flying through LAX, but it would also cost more.... which is why no one does it!

CBX is for SD people to access intra-mexico flights via Tijuana that would not be available via SAN. Oh and 2 hours from LAX to CBX.... when? 3AM on a Tuesday? The fact it crosses the entire metro LA and SD areas means that anyone making that journey - to arrive in time for a realistic depature hours - will have to give themselves at least 3-3.5 hours.
 
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:41 pm

USAOZ wrote:
Aesma wrote:
As said earlier the stop is either in LAX or SFO because these are cities of interest to French people. Including French people in PPT.

The Mexican border isn't like that.

TIJ is San Diego when you go thru CBX !!!

It's also only 2 hours drive south of LAX. An LCC like French Blue, will be cheaper than anything into SFO or LAX & even if pax wanted to go to LA, the price difference would lead many down to TIJ(San Diego). Some very nice parts of the world between San Diego & LA as well.

+ The old Southwest rule ... pax will drive for 2 hours to save $5 & that's just for a domestic flight.



Dude! please for the sake of your fellow posters, let CBX and TIJ go. No one is flying to PPT through TIJ. What do you work for the company promoting CBX? if so your not doing a very good job making your case, there are better examples to use such as LCC Mexico flights.
 
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:31 pm

I don't understand the argument over here... The website clearly shows a stop at SFO
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:59 pm

aerogt3 wrote:
Those suggesting CBX are crazy in my opinion.


There is only one person suggesting it, and yes he seems crazy (or an employee of TIJ airport).
 
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:05 pm

I am not even sure how many SD people are even aware of the CBX situation. They're just used to using SAN.
 
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:07 pm

Any word on whether French Blue has secured traffic rights between SFO and PPT?
 
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:44 am

Has anyone confirmed if the service will have 5th Freedom or are the comments about US pax made on the assumption it would?
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:44 pm

Is this for sale yet? I just tried SFO-PPT on 05/11/18 and see no nonstop.
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:39 pm

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Does that include traffic rights on both SFO-ORY and SFO-PPT? Both ORY and PPT would be considered "France", right?
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:41 pm

French Bee has to win the 2018 Worst Airline Name Award.

Why would they go through all of this effort to brand, launch, paint an aircraft and then realize, oh maybe we should change our name.

French Bee? Mais, non!
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:59 pm

FSDan wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
DOT authority granted today.


Does that include traffic rights on both SFO-ORY and SFO-PPT? Both ORY and PPT would be considered "France", right?


Yes, full traffic rights.

Schedule as follows :

BF710 ORY1915 – 2125SFO2355 – 0515+1PPT 359 57
BF711 PPT0735 – 1830SFO2045 – 1620+1ORY 359 16

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -may-2018/
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:59 pm

alan3 wrote:
French Bee has to win the 2018 Worst Airline Name Award.

Why would they go through all of this effort to brand, launch, paint an aircraft and then realize, oh maybe we should change our name.

French Bee? Mais, non!


My first thought as well. Isn't the name change in response to jetBlue's objection to the name similarities?
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:35 pm

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alan3 wrote:
French Bee has to win the 2018 Worst Airline Name Award.

Why would they go through all of this effort to brand, launch, paint an aircraft and then realize, oh maybe we should change our name.

French Bee? Mais, non!


My first thought as well. Isn't the name change in response to jetBlue's objection to the name similarities?


I think so. I guess it depends what legal ownership JetBlue has to the word Blue.

But I think they could’ve come up with a better alternative
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:12 pm

Weren't they just French a few months ago?
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:13 pm

They aren't out of the woods yet, there are a lot of issues at SFO with pax going onward from ORY to PPT via SFO, hopefully they are resolved but this is not over.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:30 am

Chasensfo wrote:
They aren't out of the woods yet, there are a lot of issues at SFO with pax going onward from ORY to PPT via SFO, hopefully they are resolved but this is not over.


What issues?
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:17 pm

ro1960 wrote:
Chasensfo wrote:
They aren't out of the woods yet, there are a lot of issues at SFO with pax going onward from ORY to PPT via SFO, hopefully they are resolved but this is not over.


What issues?

Issues with pax planning to board in ORY and transit SFO. I can't get into the issues, but I can tell you that currently SFO has no transit lounge and has no plans to build one for starters. :)
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:37 pm

Chasensfo wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
Chasensfo wrote:
They aren't out of the woods yet, there are a lot of issues at SFO with pax going onward from ORY to PPT via SFO, hopefully they are resolved but this is not over.


What issues?

Issues with pax planning to board in ORY and transit SFO. I can't get into the issues, but I can tell you that currently SFO has no transit lounge and has no plans to build one for starters. :)


There are no issues with the new flight. All International flights into the US are required to clear CBP formalities. There are no transit lounges (maybe ANC). The only discussion going on is if the luggage for transit passengers can stay on the aircraft, similar to NZ 1/2 at LAX.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:22 pm

legacyins wrote:
Chasensfo wrote:
ro1960 wrote:

What issues?

Issues with pax planning to board in ORY and transit SFO. I can't get into the issues, but I can tell you that currently SFO has no transit lounge and has no plans to build one for starters. :)


There are no issues with the new flight. All International flights into the US are required to clear CBP formalities. There are no transit lounges (maybe ANC). The only discussion going on is if the luggage for transit passengers can stay on the aircraft, similar to NZ 1/2 at LAX.

...which is a pretty big deal when you consider how time consuming that bag re-check and clearing customs/TSA on a turn(or a "quick turn" if the flight is delayed) on a summer afternoon at SFO is going to be. Good luck keeping that schedule or anything close to it. 1830-2045 is REALLY pushing it if you look at what that'll look like this summer...

That said I wish them nothing but luck, I enjoy variety and don't like to wish operations fail like many of us "fans" do...lol.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:15 pm

mercure1 wrote:
SFODude wrote:
There have been many comments about hotel supply. Remember NZ flew :LAX/PPT/AKL for many years as The Coral Route, and hotel availability was not an issue.


I think you missed the previously posted statement that hotel room capacity is 17% lower today in French Polynesia than it was in 2001.

Between bankruptcies, chains pulling out, or severe weather damage that is never repaired many properties including some famous ones no longer exist.


Sounds like they need more visitors to support maintaining what's left or I dare say grow back to previous levels. Heaven forbid it surpass those levels though.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:30 pm

Chasensfo wrote:
legacyins wrote:
Chasensfo wrote:
Issues with pax planning to board in ORY and transit SFO. I can't get into the issues, but I can tell you that currently SFO has no transit lounge and has no plans to build one for starters. :)


There are no issues with the new flight. All International flights into the US are required to clear CBP formalities. There are no transit lounges (maybe ANC). The only discussion going on is if the luggage for transit passengers can stay on the aircraft, similar to NZ 1/2 at LAX.

...which is a pretty big deal when you consider how time consuming that bag re-check and clearing customs/TSA on a turn(or a "quick turn" if the flight is delayed) on a summer afternoon at SFO is going to be. Good luck keeping that schedule or anything close to it. 1830-2045 is REALLY pushing it if you look at what that'll look like this summer...

That said I wish them nothing but luck, I enjoy variety and don't like to wish operations fail like many of us "fans" do...lol.


Other than VS and BA, which other flights are leaving at around that time? AF leaves at 3PM, and the Asian and Australia flights are mostly around midnight. AS is now over at T2.
 
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Re: RUMOR : French Blue on ORY - SFO - PPT market

Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:23 pm

psa1011 wrote:
Other than VS and BA, which other flights are leaving at around that time? AF leaves at 3PM, and the Asian and Australia flights are mostly around midnight. AS is now over at T2.

Still some Alaska flights on A-term and don't forget jetBlue has up to 30ish flights per day in the summer. I am not so worried that the TSA lines will be long often for the ORY-SFO-PPT flight(if all goes well I wouldn't expect more than 20 mins), but the 2345 departure time is a busy, busy time to go thru TSA on A-term. For the return flight, customs and re-check could be hectic knowing how these things go.

Picking a Monday in July, here are flights that may affect the customs times when French Bee gets in:

BA A380 1715 (often an hour late or so)
AF 77W 1830
CX 359 1715 (frequently 1 hour early or 1 hour late)
PR 343 1900(arrives 1800-1830 often)
CZ 77W 1930 (arrives 1830 often)

Cutting it a wee bit close if the bags have to make it back onto the jet IMO. Again, wishing them all the best and hope French Bee expands.

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