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Re: DOT Revokes Eastern's AOC

Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:35 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Eastern surrendered its AOC as the airline is finished.


Although the name and brand live on, at least for now, as Swift acquired the name and all IP rights and still fly two 737-800s in EA livery.
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Re: Eastern Surrenders AOC

Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:10 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
Well, it was fun while it lasted. EA got their IATA code back, operated well until Cuba was opened up, and now operating certificate 29EA847N has been supposedly surrendered to the FAA.



It was fun. This gallery is from the event at MIA to welcome the first bird.

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Re: Eastern Air Lines FAA Designator?

Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:22 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Even if there will never again be a real EA, at least the beautiful hockey stick will still by plying the skies...and it's à propos that an NHL team will continue to fly the hockey stick, affording the 30 other NHL cities of a chance to spot an Eastern liveried plane at least once a year. I can see Swift using the EA brand to be their main method of being a major player in the professional sports (and maybe NCAA too?) contract charter business in the US and sharing more of the pie with Miami Air. AC dominate in Canada. Do DL still have several sports team contracts?


DL runs charters for all but three NBA teams (Dallas, Houston and Miami) along with numerous other NHL, NFL and MLB teams.
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Re: Eastern Surrenders AOC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:16 am

There are 2 phases to an airline shut down: 1. Surrender your actual Air Operator Certificate to the FAA 2. DOT shuts down certificate of necessity to operate scheduled/charter air transport. The later is what became public the other day, as all DOT actions are public and went in the docket. Air Carrier Certificate (operations) by FAA are typically not as easily accessible.
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Re: Eastern Surrenders AOC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:52 am

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Re: DOT Revokes Eastern's AOC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:02 pm

LAXintl wrote:
The premise of the whole thread as presented by OPer wrong.

FAA did not revoke anything. Eastern surrendered its AOC as the airline is finished.


Um, that's exactly what I posted...

EA CO AS wrote:

operating certificate 29EA847N has been supposedly surrendered to the FAA.
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Re: Eastern Surrenders AOC

Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:06 am

I think you might have had more luck talking with other people - such as some of their pilots and vendors. You'd get a much more clear picture of what happened.

Trump's policy change has had little effect on aviation *right now*. Fact of the matter is, the DOT authorized too many airlines, at once, to start service to Cuba. Infrastructure wasn't in place. Airlines can't sell tickets in Cuba to Cubans. Staffers had to be located (via the government, mind you) and trained. Manuals had to be converted to spanish (most US airlines keep everything in English, per the FAA - so this even took some sign offs from the FAA, and they aren't fast). Airports didn't have enough space for counters, offices, etc. Mechanical issues proved to be a nightmare, as you still can't import parts from the USA, so airlines had to fly in their own parts/mechanics on their own planes.

Cuba was already slipping before Trump got in office. The DOT offered 100 seats at the table for dinner, but there's only enough food for 20. The Cuban market just isn't that big, right now.

Eastern was only doing a bulk of the charters because they had bottomed out the market. They were charging 25-40% less than Swift & Miami Intl. Swift wanted Eastern gone because they were killing everyone's profit margins.
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