OAG Changes 10/29/2007: 4O +LAX-BJX/PVR/SJD; AA +DCA-LIT/MGM/TLH, VPS/MYR to Daily; DL +JFK-BTV; KAI +KOA-OAK

enilria · Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:31 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

WHERE ARE SEATS SHOWN?
They aren't. This only shows departures.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

*4O LAX-BJX DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*4O LAX-PVR DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.6 FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.5 APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6
*4O LAX-SJD DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.4 MAR 0>0.5 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4

7H ANC-ENA DEC 11>9 JAN 11>10 FEB 11>10 MAR 11>10 APR 11>10

AA CLT-POP MAR 0.3>0.9 APR 0.2>0.9
AA CLT-UVF FEB 0.2>0.6 MAR 0.3>1.0 APR 0.3>1.0
*AA DCA-LIT APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*AA DCA-MGM JUL 0>0.9
*AA DCA-MYR MAY 0.3>1.0 JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0
AA DCA-SAV MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
*AA DCA-TLH MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*AA DCA-VPS JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0
AA DFW-GUA MAR 1.2>1.3
AA DFW-LIR MAR 0.9>1.0
AA DFW-RTB MAR 0.2>0.3
AA DFW-SJU DEC 1.5>1.7

AC IAH-YYC MAR 3>2 APR 3>2

AF IAD-CDG APR 1.6>1.4 JUN 2>1.9
AF SFO-CDG APR 1.7>1.5 MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.8

AM MCO-MEX JUL 3>4

B0 EWR-CDG DEC 1.6>1.4

B6 BDL-SJU DEC 1.6>1.4
B6 BOS-EWR MAY 5>6
B6 BOS-SJU DEC 4>3
B6 FLL-SJU DEC 5>4
B6 JFK-SJU DEC 7>5
B6 MCO-SJU DEC 6>5
B6 TPA-SJU DEC 1.8>1.0

BW FLL-POS DEC 1.0>0.9
BW JFK-GEO DEC 1.0>1.3 JAN 1.0>1.3 FEB 1.0>1.3

CM ORD-PTY MAR 1.6>1.9 APR 1.6>2 MAY 1.5>2

CZ JFK-CAN JAN 1.4>1.2 FEB 1.3>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.1

DL ATL-BHM MAR 9>10
DL ATL-DFW APR 11>12 MAY 11>12
*DL ATL-MDW MAR 7>5 APR 7>5 MAY 7>5 JUN 7>5 JUL 7>6
DL ATL-PNS MAR 7>8
DL ATL-SJU DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
DL BUF-MSP MAR 1.0>0.7
DL DSM-MSP MAR 5>4
DL DTW-CLE JAN 5>4
DL DTW-GRR APR 6>7 MAY 6>7
DL DTW-GSP APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
DL DTW-ORD MAR 8>7
*DL JFK-BTV MAR 0>1.9 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
DL JFK-NCE JUN 1.0>1.1
*DL JFK-PHL MAR 3>1.1 APR 3>1.0 MAY 3>1.0 JUN 3>1.0 JUL 3>1.0
DL JFK-RSW FEB 1.4>1.0
DL LAX-SMF JUL 5>6
DL LAX-YVR FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
DL LEX-MSP MAR 1.0>0
DL LGA-GSP JAN 1.2>0.9 FEB 1.2>0.9 MAR 1.5>0.8 APR 1.6>0.9 MAY 1.3>0.8 JUN 1.3>0.8 JUL 1.3>0.8
DL MSP-PBI MAR 0.6>0.4
DL MSP-PHL MAR 5>4
DL MSP-RIC MAR 1.0>1.8
DL SEA-DEN APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
DL SEA-DTW MAR 5>4
DL SEA-MCO APR 2.0>1.4 MAY 1.8>1.3 JUL 1.0>1.7
DL SEA-PDX MAR 7>6
DL SEA-YYC APR 3>2
DL SLC-ASE JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2
DL SLC-ATL MAR 8>9
DL SLC-OKC FEB 1.2>0.8

G4 LAX-MFE JAN 0.3>0.0 FEB 0.3>0.2
*G4 PIT-SJU JAN 0.1>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.1>0 JUN 0.2>0 JUL 0.1>0

*KAI KOA-OAK DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

LX MIA-ZRH APR 1.6>1.8

MF SEA-SZX MAY 0.3>0.4

MU JFK-PVG DEC 1.0>2.0 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 0.9>1.9 MAR 0.8>1.8 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2

OJ JFK-KIN JAN 0.7>0.6 FEB 0.7>0.6

TJ BOS-HPN DEC 0.1>1.0 JAN 0>1.4

UA DEN-FAT MAR 4>3
UA DEN-PSP FEB 3>4 MAR 3>5
UA DEN-RDM FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.8>1.0
UA DEN-RSW MAR 1.0>2
UA EWR-CDG APR 1.9>1.0 MAY 2>1.3
UA EWR-DAY MAR 3>2
*UA EWR-DUB MAR 1.8>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
UA EWR-SNA MAR 3>1.7
UA IAD-CAE MAR 4>3
UA IAD-CVG MAR 1.7>3
UA IAD-RIC MAR 3>4
UA IAD-SYR MAR 4>3
UA IAD-YOW MAR 3>2
UA IAH-CLL MAR 1.8>3
UA IAH-CMH MAR 5>4
UA IAH-CRP MAR 7>6
UA IAH-DEN MAR 12>11
UA IAH-LHR MAR 2>1.9
UA IAH-RIC FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA IAH-SJC FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA LAX-BOS APR 1.0>3 MAY 1.0>3 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3
UA LAX-DFW APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3
UA LAX-MCO APR 1.0>1.7 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
UA ORD-BUF FEB 4>3 MAR 5>3
UA ORD-BZN MAR 3>2
UA ORD-CRW FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.8>1.0
UA ORD-LEX MAR 4>3
UA ORD-MCO MAR 5>6
UA ORD-MIA MAR 5>4
UA ORD-PWM FEB 1.9>1.4 MAR 3>1.8
UA ORD-ROC APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
UA ORD-RSW MAR 1.0>2
UA ORD-SRQ MAR 1.0>2
UA ORD-STL MAR 9>8
UA ORD-TPA MAR 3>4
UA ORD-YOW MAR 4>3
UA ORD-YWG MAR 3>2
UA SFO-CLE FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA SFO-ORD FEB 12>11 MAR 16>14
UA SFO-SLC MAR 6>5

*VS ATL-LHR DEC 1.0>0.0
VS JFK-LHR DEC 5>4

VX PDX-SFO MAR 3>4

enilria · Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:31 pm

enilria wrote:
*KAI KOA-OAK DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

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Cubsrule · Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:36 pm

Interesting - albeit perhaps unrelated - changes to the Caribbean this week. AA and DL have what I believe is the first adds to SJU since Maria, and AA adds capacity to relatively less damaged POP and UVF.

chrisnh · Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:38 pm

UA going 3x BOS-LAX? It’s been a long time since we’ve seen THAT. If they want to battle MINT like they do for SFO, gotta be 757s even though they show up as 738 & 739 now.

Midwestindy · Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:47 pm

Was waiting for this to happen
G4 PIT-SJU JAN 0.1>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.1>0 JUN 0.2>0 JUL 0.1>0
Wonder if RDU, CVG, and SFB will stick around...

*AA DCA-LIT APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*AA DCA-MGM JUL 0>0.9
*AA DCA-MYR MAY 0.3>1.0 JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0
AA DCA-SAV MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
*AA DCA-TLH MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*AA DCA-VPS JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0
Kinda wish they would have used these slots for more IND-DCA frequencies, but oh well.

usairways85 · Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:50 pm

enilria wrote:
*DL JFK-PHL MAR 3>1.1 APR 3>1.0 MAY 3>1.0 JUN 3>1.0 JUL 3>1.0

I always thought JFK-PHL would be a short term slot use. It appears the remaining 1 flight will be a 752 timed for European connections.

jb1087xna · Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:30 pm

One of my favorite parts of Sunday!

enilria wrote:
*AA DCA-LIT APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

I may be mistaken, but I believe that's been tried before. But given XNA seems to be maintaining the same service, I'd assume LIT could too.

enilria · Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:35 pm

jb1087xna wrote:
One of my favorite parts of Sunday!

enilria wrote:
*AA DCA-LIT APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

I may be mistaken, but I believe that's been tried before. But given XNA seems to be maintaining the same service, I'd assume LIT could too.

Aww thanks!

I think all of them have been tried before!

tphuang · Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:38 pm

chrisnh wrote:
UA going 3x BOS-LAX? It’s been a long time since we’ve seen THAT. If they want to battle MINT like they do for SFO, gotta be 757s even though they show up as 738 & 739 now.

Totally agreed. Can't go half way in a move like this. Especially since delta is rotating over 1 or 2 757s on this route. Word is aa is bringing in some 757 from tatl to domestic. I would imagine at least 1 gets put on this increasingly competitive route.

If as was complaining about competition on this route already, I wonder what it thinks now.

This along with the other 2 lax adds are exactly the kind of moves ua need to make to stay relevant in lax.

FlyPNS1 · Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:56 pm

Remember when US/AA complained that the slot divestitures at DCA would force them to abandon all these smaller routes? Funny now how they’ve all come back.

klwright69 · Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:01 pm

And also very interesting that UA is going back up to 3x daily from LAX to DFW. It used to be 3x daily, and cut it back not long ago. Then they have also cut LAX-MSP completely. Interesting changes at LAX for UA. DFW back to 3x daily.

WaywardMemphian · Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:08 pm

jb1087xna wrote:
One of my favorite parts of Sunday!

enilria wrote:
*AA DCA-LIT APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

I may be mistaken, but I believe that's been tried before. But given XNA seems to be maintaining the same service, I'd assume LIT could too.

It being the State Capital and all, yeah maybe. It will not be cheap. MEM has this as well.

I can't help but wonder if we see a United push at Dulles when the metro link is finished in 2019

AVLAirlineFreq · Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:27 pm

enilria wrote:

DL LEX-MSP MAR 1.0>0

I'm surprised this lasted as long as it did.

enilria wrote:

DL LGA-GSP JAN 1.2>0.9 FEB 1.2>0.9 MAR 1.5>0.8 APR 1.6>0.9 MAY 1.3>0.8 JUN 1.3>0.8 JUL 1.3>0.8

Surprised to see this go to 1x/day.

apodino · Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:54 pm

tphuang wrote:
chrisnh wrote:
UA going 3x BOS-LAX? It’s been a long time since we’ve seen THAT. If they want to battle MINT like they do for SFO, gotta be 757s even though they show up as 738 & 739 now.

Totally agreed. Can't go half way in a move like this. Especially since delta is rotating over 1 or 2 757s on this route. Word is aa is bringing in some 757 from tatl to domestic. I would imagine at least 1 gets put on this increasingly competitive route.

If as was complaining about competition on this route already, I wonder what it thinks now.

This along with the other 2 lax adds are exactly the kind of moves ua need to make to stay relevant in lax.

I believe AA may experiment with A321ts on this route to compete. I don't see the 757 being used on this route given AA doesn't operate the type at LAX anymore.

enilria · Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:55 pm

FlyPNS1 wrote:
Remember when US/AA complained that the slot divestitures at DCA would force them to abandon all these smaller routes? Funny now how they’ve all come back.

Because at the end of the day, they can jack up fares higher by minimizing capacity in big routes and the way to do that and utilize slots is to fly to these places.

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
enilria wrote:

DL LEX-MSP MAR 1.0>0

I'm surprised this lasted as long as it did.

As of now it resumes April 4.

DiamondFlyer · Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:05 pm

usairways85 wrote:
enilria wrote:
*DL JFK-PHL MAR 3>1.1 APR 3>1.0 MAY 3>1.0 JUN 3>1.0 JUL 3>1.0

I always thought JFK-PHL would be a short term slot use. It appears the remaining 1 flight will be a 752 timed for European connections.

JFK-PHL was often used to move CR2's between hubs at 9E, sometimes planes doing JFK-PHL-RDU and the reverse. Expect more and more of these cuts as the CR2s start to be removed more and more from NYC...

commavia · Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:18 pm

usairways85 wrote:
I always thought JFK-PHL would be a short term slot use. It appears the remaining 1 flight will be a 752 timed for European connections.

With both PHL-LHR and PHL-CDG ending, I suppose this represents the attempt by Delta and its JV partners to stay somewhat relevant and competitive for PHL transatlantic O&D. But I agree it seems like a bit of an odd use of an ostensibly 'prime' JFK slot pair.

tphuang wrote:
If as was complaining about competition on this route already, I wonder what it thinks now.

I think Alaska is now just where it was always going to be - and just where, realistically, Virgin America already was. In these prime transcon O&D markets, Virgin America already has a less competitive premium hard product than one or multiple competitors. Alaska's announced plans for its cabins seems to validate what many of us expected - which is that Alaska concluded, probably correctly, that it wasn't worth fighting with AA, Delta, JetBlue and United for the "top end" of this market (the most discerning and product-sensitive customers). Instead, Alaska seems to be banking on its low costs, fleet economies of scale and broader west coast network to keep customers satisfied in these competitive markets. From my perspective, it honestly seems like the smart play.

FlyPNS1 wrote:
Remember when US/AA complained that the slot divestitures at DCA would force them to abandon all these smaller routes? Funny now how they’ve all come back.

Ha, yep. It's amazing what more 2-class RJs can do. I think that is probably as much of a driver of these DCA route (re)starts as anything else. I think we'll continue to see higher-frequency DCA routes trade some frequency for larger aircraft going forward, thus freeing up slots for new or expanded flights/routes.

klwright69 wrote:
And also very interesting that UA is going back up to 3x daily from LAX to DFW. It used to be 3x daily, and cut it back not long ago. Then they have also cut LAX-MSP completely. Interesting changes at LAX for UA. DFW back to 3x daily.

I honestly hadn't even realized United dropped below triple daily. When the route started - I believe in either July 1999 or July 2000 - it was triple-daily A319s! Then it settled into triple daily CR7s for years. United - like Delta - will obviously never be able to come close to matching AA's dominance in what is, arguably a hub-hub market, but I'm happy to see both in this market, and both (soon) with quite-competitive E175s.

apodino wrote:
I believe AA may experiment with A321ts on this route to compete. I don't see the 757 being used on this route given AA doesn't operate the type at LAX anymore.

Personally, I remain skeptical about the long-term viability of the A321T on LAX-BOS - I just don't think that market can consistently, profitably, support three cabins.

Long-term, I think the ultimate outcome may be a third A321 configuration. AA is obviously moving towards a standard 190-seat domestic A321 configuration for all LAA and LUS A321s. Then there is the A321T for JFK-LAX/SFO. But it seems plausible - in fact I'd say probable - that at some point in the not too distant future AA is going to order A321neoLRs, possibly in trade for cancelled A350s. A fleet of, say, ~20-25 A321neoLRs would presumably serve as 757 replacements for 'thin' Europe and South America, but AA may also be able to justify, say, an additional ~15-20 in order to develop a more robust and sustainable competitive offering to Mint and others, for markets like LAX-BOS, LAX-DCA, LAX-MIA, JFK-SEA and JFK-SAN (gasp!) BOS-SFO.

But in the meantime, before any of that theoretical/hypothetical conjecture could even occur, I actually agree that a 757 may be a viable stopgap option for getting a more competitive premium offering into increasingly-competitive transcon markets. The 757 wouldn't be ideal operationally or financially, and would need some work in terms of cabin upgrades, and would indeed take some creative scheduling given gate constraints at LAX, etc., but I don't think it's totally out of the question.

MIflyer12 · Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:30 pm

enilria wrote:
FlyPNS1 wrote:
Remember when US/AA complained that the slot divestitures at DCA would force them to abandon all these smaller routes? Funny now how they’ve all come back.

Because at the end of the day, they can jack up fares higher by minimizing capacity in big routes and the way to do that and utilize slots is to fly to these places.

It begs the question as to what frequencies on what airport pairs got cut to 'fund' the slots to add these small destinations.

Carriers will find a way to serve smaller markets if the average fare is high enough. At some point, prospective passengers in those small markets will drive to a bigger airport with more frequency/lower fares, or not go at all. These adds can be seen as a test to see if AA can woo them back.

avi8 · Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:30 pm

Looks like the BOS and MCO adds are all 737’s while DFW will be down by E-175’s

RJNUT · Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:06 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
enilria wrote:
FlyPNS1 wrote:
Remember when US/AA complained that the slot divestitures at DCA would force them to abandon all these smaller routes? Funny now how they’ve all come back.

Because at the end of the day, they can jack up fares higher by minimizing capacity in big routes and the way to do that and utilize slots is to fly to these places.

It begs the question as to what frequencies on what airport pairs got cut to 'fund' the slots to add these small destinations.

Carriers will find a way to serve smaller markets if the average fare is high enough. At some point, prospective passengers in those small markets will drive to a bigger airport with more frequency/lower fares, or not go at all. These adds can be seen as a test to see if AA can woo them back.

Three of the adds are State Capitals which allow many travelers to travel on the discounted Government "Y" fares .

ericm2031 · Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:39 pm

apodino wrote:
tphuang wrote:
chrisnh wrote:
UA going 3x BOS-LAX? It’s been a long time since we’ve seen THAT. If they want to battle MINT like they do for SFO, gotta be 757s even though they show up as 738 & 739 now.

Totally agreed. Can't go half way in a move like this. Especially since delta is rotating over 1 or 2 757s on this route. Word is aa is bringing in some 757 from tatl to domestic. I would imagine at least 1 gets put on this increasingly competitive route.

If as was complaining about competition on this route already, I wonder what it thinks now.

This along with the other 2 lax adds are exactly the kind of moves ua need to make to stay relevant in lax.

I believe AA may experiment with A321ts on this route to compete. I don't see the 757 being used on this route given AA doesn't operate the type at LAX anymore.

Does AA have any slack in the A321T fleet? I thought they were pretty much maxed out on the ones they have...although I do believe they have cut a couple of the JFK frequencies from LAX/SFO?

tphuang · Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:49 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
apodino wrote:
tphuang wrote:

Totally agreed. Can't go half way in a move like this. Especially since delta is rotating over 1 or 2 757s on this route. Word is aa is bringing in some 757 from tatl to domestic. I would imagine at least 1 gets put on this increasingly competitive route.

If as was complaining about competition on this route already, I wonder what it thinks now.

This along with the other 2 lax adds are exactly the kind of moves ua need to make to stay relevant in lax.

I believe AA may experiment with A321ts on this route to compete. I don't see the 757 being used on this route given AA doesn't operate the type at LAX anymore.

Does AA have any slack in the A321T fleet? I thought they were pretty much maxed out on the ones they have...although I do believe they have cut a couple of the JFK frequencies from LAX/SFO?

Considering it has cut back on both JFK routes, it should have enough slack for at least one daily a321t on bos lax if it so desires. But so far the declared intention is just for holiday season.

815Oceanic · Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:21 pm

Looks like UAs EWR-DUB goes from an international 772 and 752 combo to a a high density 777 with just one daily flight. Definitely interesting and exciting to see UA use these birds for high leisure routes. I wonder if we'll see anymore of these birds cross the Atlantic next summer!

BroadwayLimited · Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:22 pm

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BroadwayLimited · Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:22 pm

*VS ATL-LHR DEC 1.0>0.0
VS JFK-LHR DEC 5>4

Enilria, GREAT report as always.

It had been stated previously that Delta was adding a flight at JFK-LHR due to VS 787 engine problems.

Last week, (or maybe two weeks ago), you showed DL going from 3>4 ATL-LHR for December, (with no reduction in VS flying). Now this week, you are showing the reduction in VS flying from ATL-LHR. No idea why there is a trade-off between DL and VS in ATL, but like JFK, VS is reducing ATL, while DL is adding.

deltacto · Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:25 pm

jb1087xna wrote:
One of my favorite parts of Sunday!

yes ... mine too

thank you so much enilria for putting this together every week!

Brickell305 · Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:50 pm

enilria wrote:
AA CLT-UVF FEB 0.2>0.6 MAR 0.3>1.0 APR 0.3>1.0

BW FLL-POS DEC 1.0>0.9

I hope the UVF increase from CLT isn't just a temporary hurricane response. UVF has always done well from ATL on DL for an E. Caribbean destination and I hope AA can replicate that success from CLT.

Strange to see BW reducing FLL-POS in December. I wonder if B6's presence is starting to take its toll.

hispanola · Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:25 pm

The 2007 date threw me off XD

orangeguy · Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:28 pm

enilria wrote:
*AA DCA-LIT APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*AA DCA-MGM JUL 0>0.9
*AA DCA-MYR MAY 0.3>1.0 JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0
AA DCA-SAV MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
*AA DCA-TLH MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*AA DCA-VPS JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0

AA has been trimming other DCA flights over the last couple of months to make room for this. If I recall correctly the trimming came mainly from AA hubs. The TLH flight is on a CR9 and the LIT flight is E175.

enilria wrote:
*DL ATL-MDW MAR 7>5 APR 7>5 MAY 7>5 JUN 7>5 JUL 7>6

This is getting upguaged from a 717 to MD90.

phxtravelboy · Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:31 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Was waiting for this to happen
G4 PIT-SJU JAN 0.1>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.1>0 JUN 0.2>0 JUL 0.1>0
Wonder if RDU, CVG, and SFB will stick around...

*AA DCA-LIT APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*AA DCA-MGM JUL 0>0.9
*AA DCA-MYR MAY 0.3>1.0 JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0
AA DCA-SAV MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
*AA DCA-TLH MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*AA DCA-VPS JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0
Kinda wish they would have used these slots for more IND-DCA frequencies, but oh well.

Consider yourself lucky AA even flies IND-DCA. For some reason they REFUSE to fly MKE-DCA. MKE and Houston are BY far the 2 largest markets AA doesn't fly to from DCA. Houston has plenty of service to the DC area on other carriers. MKE has 2 measley DCA flights per day on WN. I will never understand why AA doesn't serve MKE from DCA.

Midwestindy · Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:06 pm

phxtravelboy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Was waiting for this to happen
G4 PIT-SJU JAN 0.1>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.1>0 JUN 0.2>0 JUL 0.1>0
Wonder if RDU, CVG, and SFB will stick around...

*AA DCA-LIT APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*AA DCA-MGM JUL 0>0.9
*AA DCA-MYR MAY 0.3>1.0 JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0
AA DCA-SAV MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
*AA DCA-TLH MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*AA DCA-VPS JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0
Kinda wish they would have used these slots for more IND-DCA frequencies, but oh well.

Consider yourself lucky AA even flies IND-DCA. For some reason they REFUSE to fly MKE-DCA. MKE and Houston are BY far the 2 largest markets AA doesn't fly to from DCA. Houston has plenty of service to the DC area on other carriers. MKE has 2 measley DCA flights per day on WN. I will never understand why AA doesn't serve MKE from DCA.

Hardly a surprise though, I mean looking at the wiki page AA doesn't even fly to LGA, JFK, LAX, or MIA either out of MKE.

777Mech · Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:18 pm

BroadwayLimited wrote:
*VS ATL-LHR DEC 1.0>0.0
VS JFK-LHR DEC 5>4

Enilria, GREAT report as always.

It had been stated previously that Delta was adding a flight at JFK-LHR due to VS 787 engine problems.

Last week, (or maybe two weeks ago), you showed DL going from 3>4 ATL-LHR for December, (with no reduction in VS flying). Now this week, you are showing the reduction in VS flying from ATL-LHR. No idea why there is a trade-off between DL and VS in ATL, but like JFK, VS is reducing ATL, while DL is adding.

It look as through they are expecting the engine issues to continue, so VS is essentially using the ATL slot to fly the JFK flight that DL has been subbing, and DL will take over the lost frequency in ATL.

phxtravelboy · Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:23 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
phxtravelboy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Was waiting for this to happen
G4 PIT-SJU JAN 0.1>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.1>0 JUN 0.2>0 JUL 0.1>0
Wonder if RDU, CVG, and SFB will stick around...

*AA DCA-LIT APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*AA DCA-MGM JUL 0>0.9
*AA DCA-MYR MAY 0.3>1.0 JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0
AA DCA-SAV MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
*AA DCA-TLH MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*AA DCA-VPS JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0
Kinda wish they would have used these slots for more IND-DCA frequencies, but oh well.

Consider yourself lucky AA even flies IND-DCA. For some reason they REFUSE to fly MKE-DCA. MKE and Houston are BY far the 2 largest markets AA doesn't fly to from DCA. Houston has plenty of service to the DC area on other carriers. MKE has 2 measley DCA flights per day on WN. I will never understand why AA doesn't serve MKE from DCA.

Hardly a surprise though, I mean looking at the wiki page AA doesn't even fly to LGA, JFK, LAX, or MIA either out of MKE.

All true. AA's service from MKE sucks %$#@!. Only 6 of the flights are mainline and out of those, 3 of the 4 to DFW are still on the MD80s. So not only does their service suck, but they also send their oldest mainline aircraft to MKE too. Every other flight is on those damn RJs, especially the annoying 50 seaters. Their service always has and always will suck; wish I knew why.

enilria · Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:09 pm

deltacto wrote:
yes ... mine too

thank you so much enilria for putting this together every week!

BroadwayLimited wrote:
*VS ATL-LHR DEC 1.0>0.0
VS JFK-LHR DEC 5>4

Enilria, GREAT report as always.

ty97 · Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:36 am

ericm2031 wrote:
apodino wrote:
tphuang wrote:

Totally agreed. Can't go half way in a move like this. Especially since delta is rotating over 1 or 2 757s on this route. Word is aa is bringing in some 757 from tatl to domestic. I would imagine at least 1 gets put on this increasingly competitive route.

If as was complaining about competition on this route already, I wonder what it thinks now.

This along with the other 2 lax adds are exactly the kind of moves ua need to make to stay relevant in lax.

I believe AA may experiment with A321ts on this route to compete. I don't see the 757 being used on this route given AA doesn't operate the type at LAX anymore.

Does AA have any slack in the A321T fleet? I thought they were pretty much maxed out on the ones they have...although I do believe they have cut a couple of the JFK frequencies from LAX/SFO?

AA runs less JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO then they used to when the A321T debuted, so I expect there is slack. Not sure there is enough slack to move BOS-LAX to the A321T but AA has never shown any great interest in being particularly competitive on this route in that way, so I don't see it happening regardless. If anything, I'd expect to see the precious slot-exception DCA-LAX flights got A321T first, but I don't expect that either.

ahj2000 · Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:11 pm

phxtravelboy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
phxtravelboy wrote:

Consider yourself lucky AA even flies IND-DCA. For some reason they REFUSE to fly MKE-DCA. MKE and Houston are BY far the 2 largest markets AA doesn't fly to from DCA. Houston has plenty of service to the DC area on other carriers. MKE has 2 measley DCA flights per day on WN. I will never understand why AA doesn't serve MKE from DCA.

Hardly a surprise though, I mean looking at the wiki page AA doesn't even fly to LGA, JFK, LAX, or MIA either out of MKE.

All true. AA's service from MKE sucks %$#@!. Only 6 of the flights are mainline and out of those, 3 of the 4 to DFW are still on the MD80s. So not only does their service suck, but they also send their oldest mainline aircraft to MKE too. Every other flight is on those damn RJs, especially the annoying 50 seaters. Their service always has and always will suck; wish I knew why.

Wow had no idea that AA was so bad in Milwaukee. At least it looks like if you’re not connecting over Chicago or Philly, you can get on a 2-Class RJ. Perhaps with the Air Wisconsin wind down there will be less CRJs.
On another note, it seems like some of the cities lost in the slot swap years ago are coming back. Is this due to lesser frequency on existing routes with less capacity or are they less frequency/more capacity (175/CR7/9) routes?

IPFreely · Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:39 pm

enilria wrote:
DL SEA-DEN APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
DL SEA-DTW MAR 5>4
DL SEA-MCO APR 2.0>1.4 MAY 1.8>1.3 JUL 1.0>1.7
DL SEA-PDX MAR 7>6
DL SEA-YYC APR 3>2

Interesting. Is the DL buildup in number of daily departures over in SEA?

TerminalD · Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:45 pm

IPFreely wrote:
enilria wrote:
DL SEA-DEN APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
DL SEA-DTW MAR 5>4
DL SEA-MCO APR 2.0>1.4 MAY 1.8>1.3 JUL 1.0>1.7
DL SEA-PDX MAR 7>6
DL SEA-YYC APR 3>2

Interesting. Is the DL buildup in number of daily departures over in SEA?

One could argue they are gate constrained and moving to larger aircraft with fewer flights is a solution, but this does indicate some revenue weakness.

slcdeltarumd11 · Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:55 pm

Delta BTV-JFK is a good addition for connections. LGA is really horrible for connections its so delayed and has limited help. JFK has alot more options to places out west and Europe, the Caribbean etc. I think this is a good addition even if it puts then head to head against Jetblue, they will mostly be flying connections anyway. Airfares on BTV-NYC is often very competitive on price might even get even better.

slcdeltarumd11 · Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:15 pm

Delta BTV-JFK is a good addition for connections. LGA is really horrible for connections its so delayed and has limited help. JFK has alot more options to places out west and Europe, the Caribbean etc. I think this is a good addition even if it puts then head to head against Jetblue, they will mostly be flying connections anyway. Airfares on BTV-NYC is often very competitive on price might even get even better.

Flighty · Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:20 pm

I love seeing the DCA adds. The AA DCA hub is a tremendous boutique style hub. TLH LIT and MGM are all important cities and 2 of them are state capital cities.

MAH4546 · Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:10 am

Flighty wrote:
I love seeing the DCA adds. The AA DCA hub is a tremendous boutique style hub. TLH LIT and MGM are all important cities and 2 of them are state capital cities.

All three of them are capital cities.

ripcordd · Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:31 am

Yet no N/S to AUS out of DCA?

Rdh3e · Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:55 am

ripcordd wrote:
Yet no N/S to AUS out of DCA?

AUS is beyond the perimeter.

jmc1975 · Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:57 am

klwright69 wrote:
And also very interesting that UA is going back up to 3x daily from LAX to DFW. It used to be 3x daily, and cut it back not long ago. Then they have also cut LAX-MSP completely. Interesting changes at LAX for UA. DFW back to 3x daily.

There must be massive yields and UA must be making bank on the route. They have to do something to inspire investor confidence.

OKCDCA · Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:38 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Flighty wrote:
I love seeing the DCA adds. The AA DCA hub is a tremendous boutique style hub. TLH LIT and MGM are all important cities and 2 of them are state capital cities.

All three of them are capital cities.

Still frustrating to not see OKC get an add with these new additions at DCA. Not sure what these three bring to the table that OKC currently does not. LIT is currently the 75th largest US metro where OKC is 41st and with the FAA training center in OKC and three large military installations within 80 or so miles I just don't understand how it wouldn't work. Oh well, guess I'll keep dreaming...

TerminalD · Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:39 pm

OKCDCA wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Flighty wrote:
I love seeing the DCA adds. The AA DCA hub is a tremendous boutique style hub. TLH LIT and MGM are all important cities and 2 of them are state capital cities.

All three of them are capital cities.

Still frustrating to not see OKC get an add with these new additions at DCA. Not sure what these three bring to the table that OKC currently does not. LIT is currently the 75th largest US metro where OKC is 41st and with the FAA training center in OKC and three large military installations within 80 or so miles I just don't understand how it wouldn't work. Oh well, guess I'll keep dreaming...

I believe that one was in the D.C. Air route network that never happened way back when, circa 2000. I don't think it was ever actually flown, surprising.

MAH4546 · Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:01 am

tphuang wrote:
chrisnh wrote:
UA going 3x BOS-LAX? It’s been a long time since we’ve seen THAT. If they want to battle MINT like they do for SFO, gotta be 757s even though they show up as 738 & 739 now.

Totally agreed. Can't go half way in a move like this. Especially since delta is rotating over 1 or 2 757s on this route. Word is aa is bringing in some 757 from tatl to domestic. I would imagine at least 1 gets put on this increasingly competitive route.

If as was complaining about competition on this route already, I wonder what it thinks now.

This along with the other 2 lax adds are exactly the kind of moves ua need to make to stay relevant in lax.

American Airlines will be rolling out lie-flat 757 trans-con service in summer 2018 from BOS, MIA and JFK. Exact routes to be announced.

AAvgeek744 · Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:58 am

Rdh3e wrote:
ripcordd wrote:
Yet no N/S to AUS out of DCA?

AUS is beyond the perimeter.

Southwest has a n/s AUS-DCA-AUS nonstop from the allocation of beyond perimeter flights.

grbauc · Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:00 am

MAH4546 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
chrisnh wrote:
UA going 3x BOS-LAX? It’s been a long time since we’ve seen THAT. If they want to battle MINT like they do for SFO, gotta be 757s even though they show up as 738 & 739 now.

Totally agreed. Can't go half way in a move like this. Especially since delta is rotating over 1 or 2 757s on this route. Word is aa is bringing in some 757 from tatl to domestic. I would imagine at least 1 gets put on this increasingly competitive route.

If as was complaining about competition on this route already, I wonder what it thinks now.

This along with the other 2 lax adds are exactly the kind of moves ua need to make to stay relevant in lax.

American Airlines will be rolling out lie-flat 757 trans-con service in summer 2018 from BOS, MIA and JFK. Exact routes to be announced.

About time.. I wish AA would be a leader but Ill take what there doing.

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