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ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:36 pm

ANA Holdings says its studying whether to shift some Boeing 767 aircraft from ANA mainline to its low-cost offshoots so they can launch medium-haul international flights, the airline's chief executive said on Monday.

ANA CEO Yuji Hirako said "both airlines are so successful,"saying ANA was considering adding medium-haul destinations of up to eight hours away from Japan to the networks of the two airlines. The chief executive said it was a "possibility" that such a move would involve shifting some of ANA's 767s to the low-cost carriers.

Japan's ANA considers longer flights by low-cost units
http://www.nasdaq.com/article/japans-an ... 1023-00857

Japan’s ANA considers longer flights by low-cost units: CEO
https://fp.brecorder.com/2017/10/20171027229979/

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Suppose it a natural evolution especially with competitors like Air Asia X and Scoot continuing to grow their Japan routes that ANA would look to use its LCC subsidiaries to compete more directly using widebodies.
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Re: ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:30 pm

Interesting. Maybe with a fresh batch of 767s from the restarted Boeing 767 passenger manufacturing?

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Re: ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:32 pm

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Re: ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:18 pm

ANA has a lot of young 767s that were part of the compensation from Boeing due to 787 delays. I don't think they will need any more new ones.
 
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Re: ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:24 pm

One of articles mention ANA is drawing down 767 fleet as more 787s arrive, so those frames could be handed over to LCC subsidiaries.
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Re: ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:35 am

To compete indirectly against all those LCCs flying toward place like Hawaii with fifth freedom right?
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Re: ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:41 am

c933103 wrote:
To compete indirectly against all those LCCs flying toward place like Hawaii with fifth freedom right?

Hawaii is going A388 for ANA where it will become the undisputed leader on a cost-seat basis. I believe this is more for leisure destinations the other way (DPS/HKT/KLO/CEB) as well as horribly timed flights to places like BKK/HKG/ICN/PEK for example.
 
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Re: ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:46 pm

Article mentions Southeast Asia and flights within 8-hours. In other words like hkcanadaexpat suggest this likely would be markets down into Indonesia, Malay peninsula, Thailand etc.
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Re: ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:52 pm

At todays ANA earnings event, they confirmed they seek to push LCC concept into medium haul markets by 2020, however likely on narrow body platform.

To this end they seek to grow LCC (Peach & Vanilla) fleet from 35 to approx 55

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https://www.ana.co.jp/group/en/investor ... upplement/
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Re: ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:33 pm

What is the point of operating 2 separate LCC brands for ANA? I know that Vanilla is wholly owned while Peach has other investors, but why don't they just merge the two? Sure they have different hubs, but both are new brands so I wouldn't think it would take long for the Japanese public to get used to whichever they pick. Anyone have any insights? Im just curious.
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Re: ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:53 pm

mercure1 wrote:
One of articles mention ANA is drawing down 767 fleet as more 787s arrive, so those frames could be handed over to LCC subsidiaries.


The drawn down frames are very high cycle domestic ones that are getting scrapped right away. They're getting replaced by lower cycle 767s (which then get the snot beat out of them on shorthaul) that are in turn getting displaced by the 787 deliveries. The retired frames are in no condition to even convert to freighters, let alone LCC PAX use.
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Re: ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:01 pm

ATLFlyer323 wrote:
What is the point of operating 2 separate LCC brands for ANA? I know that Vanilla is wholly owned while Peach has other investors, but why don't they just merge the two? Sure they have different hubs, but both are new brands so I wouldn't think it would take long for the Japanese public to get used to whichever they pick. Anyone have any insights? Im just curious.


Peach actually was not even a direct subsidiary of ANA until April 2017, which makes it hard to merged the two until now. And they didn't even totally have separate "focus city" until recently, when MM decided to not compete on NRT-CTS and NRT-OKA against JW. The original plan for MM, I believe, is to make Tokyo a 3rd focus city after its main "hub" at KIX and its secondary "hub" at OKA.

LAXintl wrote:
At todays ANA earnings event, they confirmed they seek to push LCC concept into medium haul markets by 2020, however likely on narrow body platform.

To this end they seek to grow LCC (Peach & Vanilla) fleet from 35 to approx 55

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https://www.ana.co.jp/group/en/investor ... upplement/


Some news related to the announcement:
https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=2018 ... re-bus_all

A321LR is the speculation right now. The expansion focus, I would say, would be SE Asia (i.e. BKK, SIN, or DPS)
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Re: ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:34 pm

Well now we have news airlines bill be combined into single unit.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Deals/ ... rs-by-2020

Seems A321LR would indeed to a nice solution to keep things simple.
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Re: ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:17 am

SFOtoORD wrote:
Interesting. Maybe with a fresh batch of 767s from the restarted Boeing 767 passenger manufacturing?

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It says from the ANA fleet.
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Re: ANA considers shifting 767s to Peach & Vanilla Air

Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:55 pm

LAXintl wrote:
At todays ANA earnings event, they confirmed they seek to push LCC concept into medium haul markets by 2020, however likely on narrow body platform.

To this end they seek to grow LCC (Peach & Vanilla) fleet from 35 to approx 55

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https://www.ana.co.jp/group/en/investor ... upplement/

They said they are looking to use an aircraft with commonality with their existing fleet on routes up to 7.5-8 hours long before possibly taking mid sized aircraft in the future for routes up to 9 hours. And they will have five of them by 2020
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