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What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:34 pm

These routes must be a route that does not have either a hub or focus city at either end.

Four I can think of are:

ISP-PBI - Southwest
BDL-PBI (Seasonal) - Southwest
PVD-MSY (Seasonal) - Frontier
JMS (Jamestown, ND) - DVL (Devils Lake, ND) - United Express

The last route always confuses me. Why would they have a route between 2 small cities most of us have likely never heard of in North Dakota?? Look it up if you don't believe me. And it's 1x daily, I'd be surprised if they got more than 10 passengers on each flight.
 
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:40 pm

HPN-TPA B6
HPN-PBI B6
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:51 pm

From what I can see, it appears that United Express operates flights DEN-JMS-DVL-DEN or DEN-DVL-JMS-DEN, combining two small cities with one flight. However, I think there are at least two roundtrips a day from DEN to each airport, one with JMS first and one with DVL first. The point is to carry passengers from each city to DEN, not to connect JMS with DVL. I think combining small cities like this is quite common with EAS.
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:55 pm

ELP-SAT, GEG-BOI, IND-BOS, CMH-BOS, IND-MSY, CMH-MSY, MSY-DCA, OMA-DCA, IND-DCA, CMH-DCA, PVD-DCA, SFO-PDX, SFO-SNA, SFO-BUR, BUR-PDX, BUR-SLC, ONT-PDX, ABQ-PDX, RSW-IND, RSW-CMH, RSW-GRR, RSW-FNT, RSW-BUF, RSW-ALB, RSW-BDL, RSW-PVD, RSW-MHT, RSW-ISP, RSW-PIT, RSW-DCA, PBI-PVD, PBI-BDL, PBI-ISP, PBI-PHL, and PBI-PIT on Southwest
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:59 pm

BDL-CLE on DL.
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:33 pm

If we consider ABQ a standard WN station ABQ has quite a few point to point flights. If we consider it a small focus city (it sort of used to be due to the Wright Ammendment) then it has nearly no point to point.
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:09 pm

WNflyer1523 wrote:
The last route always confuses me. Why would they have a route between 2 small cities most of us have likely never heard of in North Dakota?? Look it up if you don't believe me. And it's 1x daily, I'd be surprised if they got more than 10 passengers on each flight.


It's a milk run route where both cities are connected to/from DEN with one flight/one plane.

Alaska Airlines has lots of these routes in Alaska like ANC-OME-OTZ, ANC-JNU-PSG-WRG-KET-SEA, ANC-CDV-YAK-JNU-SEA, ANC-SCC-BRW-ANC, etc.
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:24 pm

WNflyer1523 wrote:
These routes must be a route that does not have either a hub or focus city at either end.

Four I can think of are:

ISP-PBI - Southwest
BDL-PBI (Seasonal) - Southwest
PVD-MSY (Seasonal) - Frontier
JMS (Jamestown, ND) - DVL (Devils Lake, ND) - United Express

The last route always confuses me. Why would they have a route between 2 small cities most of us have likely never heard of in North Dakota?? Look it up if you don't believe me. And it's 1x daily, I'd be surprised if they got more than 10 passengers on each flight.


WN shouldn't be included in this category because the whole premise of their airline is to serve p2p routes. If we were to include every "p2p" route that WN flew the list would be out of the door... Also, there is a bit of a grey area in which stations are WN focus cities.

However, there are so many with just DL alone
CUN-BWI/CMH/BDL/IND/MCI/MKE/BNA/MSY/MCO/PIT/TPA/IAD
MCO-MIA/GRU/RDU/CUN/BHM/IND/CLE/CMH/GRR/BDL/MCI/SDF/MEM/MKE/BNA/PIT/STL/DCA
PDX-HNL
CLE-BDL
LAS-SAN/SNA/SJC/HNL
IND-RSW/MIA/MCO/CUN
CMH-RSW/MIA/MCO/CUN
HNL-KIX/FUK/NGO/PDX/SFO/LAS
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:27 pm

sfjeff wrote:
From what I can see, it appears that United Express operates flights DEN-JMS-DVL-DEN or DEN-DVL-JMS-DEN, combining two small cities with one flight. However, I think there are at least two roundtrips a day from DEN to each airport, one with JMS first and one with DVL first. The point is to carry passengers from each city to DEN, not to connect JMS with DVL. I think combining small cities like this is quite common with EAS.


They are getting ready to do ORD-UIN-CGI also on United express. CGI also will have one nonstop each day to ORD besides having to stopover in Quincy on one.

Southwest is going to have a ton. It also depends on what you consider is a hub/focus city since they don't admit to any.
Orlando isn't one for DL and they have a fair amount.
I think UA still runs MKE-CLE
CUN has a handful on different airlines.
If you count Frontier as major they have a whole lot also.

You almost have to limit this to legacies or the list will be really long.
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:29 pm

BUF-LAX on B6, though it is possible to connect in BUF if traveling from BOS or JFK.
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:30 pm

Lots of Alaska-Hawaii flights (Bellingham-Hawaii,Sacramento-Maui, and Oakland-Hawaii.)
There are other Alaska routes like SMF-SJD.

Currently, and historically, routes to Anchorage like former Continental from Seattle and currently Jet Blue to Seattle and Portland.


Loys of Southwest routes.
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:54 pm

maximairways wrote:
BUF-LAX on B6, though it is possible to connect in BUF if traveling from BOS or JFK.


Haha, "Connect in BUF," that is nonrev logic if I ever heard nonrev logic. Good addition!
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:11 pm

Flighty wrote:
maximairways wrote:
BUF-LAX on B6, though it is possible to connect in BUF if traveling from BOS or JFK.


Haha, "Connect in BUF," that is nonrev logic if I ever heard nonrev logic. Good addition!


Wanted to see it for myself and surprisingly around 1.5 pax per day fly BOS-BUF-LAX with an average fare of $286, who knew...
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:11 pm

Newark to Raleigh Durham on Delta.
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:41 pm

AA:
RDU-LHR, PIT-RDU, ROC-BOS, PIT/BNA/RDU-CUN
UA:
LGA-MTJ, MSY-CUN, CLE-CHS
DL: (There's a lot)
PDX-ANC/HNL, CLE-BDL, MCO-GRU/BHM/IND/GRR/MCI/SDF/CMH/CLE/MEM/MKE/BNA/PIT/STL/DCA
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:02 pm

NK is about to start MSY-TPA in a few days and has TPA-LBE, while F9 has DSM-SFO and TNT-TPA, and G4 has PIT-AUS, PIT-SAV, and AUS-IND but then again, NK, F9, and G4 are known for having a number of seemingly odd p2p routes.

Midwestindy wrote:
Flighty wrote:
maximairways wrote:
BUF-LAX on B6, though it is possible to connect in BUF if traveling from BOS or JFK.


Haha, "Connect in BUF," that is nonrev logic if I ever heard nonrev logic. Good addition!


Wanted to see it for myself and surprisingly around 1.5 pax per day fly BOS-BUF-LAX with an average fare of $286, who knew...


I'm intrigued, how does one go about finding that data?
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:19 pm

AirFrance744 wrote:
NK is about to start MSY-TPA in a few days and has TPA-LBE, while F9 has DSM-SFO and TNT-TPA, and G4 has PIT-AUS, PIT-SAV, and AUS-IND but then again, NK, F9, and G4 are known for having a number of seemingly odd p2p routes.

Midwestindy wrote:
Flighty wrote:

Haha, "Connect in BUF," that is nonrev logic if I ever heard nonrev logic. Good addition!


Wanted to see it for myself and surprisingly around 1.5 pax per day fly BOS-BUF-LAX with an average fare of $286, who knew...


I'm intrigued, how does one go about finding that data?


It will take a little bit of explaining, but here is the link: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/DL_SelectFields.asp

I'll dm you the rest
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:29 pm

Not yet mentioned for DL:

DCA-OMA, DCA-MSN, DCA-LEX
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:43 pm

jplatts wrote:
ELP-SAT, GEG-BOI, IND-BOS, CMH-BOS, IND-MSY, CMH-MSY, MSY-DCA, OMA-DCA, IND-DCA, CMH-DCA, PVD-DCA, SFO-PDX, SFO-SNA, SFO-BUR, BUR-PDX, BUR-SLC, ONT-PDX, ABQ-PDX, RSW-IND, RSW-CMH, RSW-GRR, RSW-FNT, RSW-BUF, RSW-ALB, RSW-BDL, RSW-PVD, RSW-MHT, RSW-ISP, RSW-PIT, RSW-DCA, PBI-PVD, PBI-BDL, PBI-ISP, PBI-PHL, and PBI-PIT on Southwest


Well Southwest is a point-to-point airline, so all of their routes are going to be "point-to-point".
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:50 pm

Here is a complete list for AA (I think):
BOS-PIT/MDT/SYR/ROC/PUJ/PLS/MBJ
RDU-PIT/LHR
CUN-MCI/STL/PIT/RDU/BNA/BOS
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:53 pm

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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:57 pm

For a time, Delta flew LAX-JAX on the 738.
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:10 pm

AirFrance744 wrote:
NK is about to start MSY-TPA in a few days and has TPA-LBE, while F9 has DSM-SFO and TNT-TPA, and G4 has PIT-AUS, PIT-SAV, and AUS-IND but then again, NK, F9, and G4 are known for having a number of seemingly odd p2p routes.



IND/PIT are both focus cities for G4 though, and TTN was/is a focus city for F9 (I don't know its status at the moment)

SJU-RDU would be a p2p flight for G4, SAN-SCK/PVU/ELP, BWI-LEX/TUL/TYS, EWR-TYS would be p2p flights as well
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:12 pm

RDU-LHR wouldn’t be a P2P cause LHR is a One World hub, just like RDU-CDG wouldn’t be P2P cause CDG is a Skytem hub.. IMO
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:25 pm

Your post made me think about NY state. Was just there and thinking of the older days with NYair and others---there don't seem to be many intrastate flights. Does anyone recall what used to be flown in NY state that isn't today?
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:18 pm

UA CLE-BOS/CUN/DCA/FLL/LGA/MCO/MKE/PUJ/RSW/SJU
 
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:22 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Here is a complete list for AA (I think):
BOS-PIT/MDT/SYR/ROC/PUJ/PLS/MBJ
RDU-PIT/LHR
CUN-MCI/STL/PIT/RDU/BNA/BOS


AA also flies FLL-PAP.
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:33 pm

B6:
PBI-HPN
PBI-EWR
PBI-BDL
PBI-LGA
TPA-EWR
TPA-DCA
TPA-HPN
TPA-BDL
RSW-EWR
RSW-HPN
RSW-DCA
RSW-BDL
JAX-DCA
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:05 pm

Also for B6:

ACKDCA
ANCPDX
ANCSEA
BDLDCA
BGIEWR
CHSDCA
DCANAS
EWRSTI
LASSFO (until last weekend)
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:13 am

LAS--SJC, SNA, SAN on DL.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:39 am

Enerything out of Ontario, California.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:50 am

FA9295 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
ELP-SAT, GEG-BOI, IND-BOS, CMH-BOS, IND-MSY, CMH-MSY, MSY-DCA, OMA-DCA, IND-DCA, CMH-DCA, PVD-DCA, SFO-PDX, SFO-SNA, SFO-BUR, BUR-PDX, BUR-SLC, ONT-PDX, ABQ-PDX, RSW-IND, RSW-CMH, RSW-GRR, RSW-FNT, RSW-BUF, RSW-ALB, RSW-BDL, RSW-PVD, RSW-MHT, RSW-ISP, RSW-PIT, RSW-DCA, PBI-PVD, PBI-BDL, PBI-ISP, PBI-PHL, and PBI-PIT on Southwest


Well Southwest is a point-to-point airline, so all of their routes are going to be "point-to-point".


PDX is the second largest hub for AS, the PDX routes listed are indeed with a hub on one end, as well as BUR-SLC for DL, SFO-BUR/SNA for UA. I know you're thinking WN only, but this thread is for any carrier in the US.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:27 pm

DL also operates MIA-HAV
 
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Re: What point-to-point major U.S. airline routes can you think of?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:42 pm

sfjeff wrote:
From what I can see, it appears that United Express operates flights DEN-JMS-DVL-DEN or DEN-DVL-JMS-DEN, combining two small cities with one flight. However, I think there are at least two roundtrips a day from DEN to each airport, one with JMS first and one with DVL first. The point is to carry passengers from each city to DEN, not to connect JMS with DVL. I think combining small cities like this is quite common with EAS.


I fly this route occasionally. The leaves DVL at 5 am l, hits JMS about 45 minutes later and after about 40 minutes of ground time leaves for DEN. Loads are typically 60% JMS and 40% DVL.

Interestingly the drive between the two cities is about 2 hours and a roijd trip flight between the two cities is around $150.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:06 pm

DL: LGA-ORD (along with other DL shuttle routes).

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