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Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:22 am

Globally speaking
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:31 am

MIA
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:32 am

PDX?
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:42 am

MIA, Phoenix or PHL.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:19 am

AMS and MAN should be in their thoughts.
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:40 am

AKL would be nice.
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:54 am

PER has been speculated but not confirmed.

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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:58 am

They should consider DXB, someone should bring DXB- Japan fares down!
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:15 am

Growing speculation that either JL or NH will very soon announce NRT-PER.
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:21 am

AKL would be great given the growth in Japan-NZ traffic and only one carrier (NZ) on the route currently serving NRT, HND and KIX.

For the US, MIA is a bit of a stretch for JL with current equipment / configuration as I understand it. But it would be a logical next step.

PER is also a logical step for JL. I see this as more likely JL than NH.
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:21 am

Austin there 787 perfect, it has low configuration.
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:24 am

ANA787 wrote:
PDX?

PDX before SEA?
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:26 am

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Austin there 787 perfect, it has low configuration.

But that means it requires even higher yield than a flight of that distance otherwise would, to sustain the sparse configuration.
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:45 am

JAL's next US destination should be Miami, its a natural since its an AA hub and a region JAL doesn't fly to. A 787-9 should have no problem from NRT to MIA.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:02 am

I'm surprised that with 195-seater 789's they haven't started MIA yet. There definitely is the demand for the route, and the plane definitely has the range. Otherwise when they start getting those A350's I'd say they should go for AMS, ZRH, MAD, PER, AKL.
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:34 am

LAX772LR wrote:
LH658 wrote:
Austin there 787 perfect, it has low configuration.

But that means it requires even higher yield than a flight of that distance otherwise would, to sustain the sparse configuration.

788 has one with 161 seating other is 186, the 789 seats just right under 200. Then they have a 777-200. Though I think the 787 is best suited for Austin.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:10 am

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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:49 am

I'd assume MAN remains in their thoughts, despite the expansion at LHR. The same applies for ANA and as yet nothing concrete.
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:26 pm

Instead of the typical MIA answer (seriously, I thought that die down already), I will go off the hook a little bit and say OGG. Especially with JL getting closer to HA (at the expense of NH). Although personally not sure if the runway at OGG can handel that before expansion.

Other expansion I would say are in Aus/NZ (so AKL or BNE or PER), and maybe DOH.

Nothing is going to stop people here dreaming about MIA, though, I guess.

The most likely expansion, though, would likely be in the region. Maybe the like of DAD/CEB/HKT/DPS. Tons of LCC competition, though.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:13 pm

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Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:30 pm

MSP, or not because of Delta?
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:54 pm

Auckland or Perth. Their QF partnership would help a lot and these dests are unserved by a Japanese carrier
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:59 pm

I'd love to see JAL metal here in MAD but it appears they're using IB as part of the JV solely but doing quite well. A HND flight on a 787 might work
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:09 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
LH658 wrote:
Austin there 787 perfect, it has low configuration.

But that means it requires even higher yield than a flight of that distance otherwise would, to sustain the sparse configuration.


Correct, and AUS-NRT would rely on connections over NRT to a larger extent than some other US-NRT routes; while AUS is a vibrant and growing TPAC market it is relatively weaker to Japan. IINM TPE is AUS’ largest single TPAC market and I’m pretty sure ICN is larger than TYO too.
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:27 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
Auckland or Perth. Their QF partnership would help a lot and these dests are unserved by a Japanese carrier


Chances of QF co-operating with JL? They code-share on routes via SIN and HKG, but they are effectively competitors on the Australia-Japan non-stop market, JL and QF certainly do not code-share on each others MEL-NRT or SYD-NRT/HND flights. But JL does code-share with JQ on its Japan flights out of OOL and CNS.
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:14 pm

BNA, RDU, AUS or PHL.
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:23 pm

Im still shocked that NH or JL don't fly to YYZ.
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:49 pm

jfk777 wrote:
JAL's next US destination should be Miami, its a natural since its an AA hub and a region JAL doesn't fly to. A 787-9 should have no problem from NRT to MIA.


Is it just me, but why is MIA so logical? Of course it is a OW-hub but geographically it doesn't make sense. Where would a passenger from TYO connect to via MIA without making a detour. Some caribic islands? That won't be a big market. And if their would be strong demand between MIA and TYO, I assume their would be a direct flight already.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:56 pm

Brokkenpiloot wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
JAL's next US destination should be Miami, its a natural since its an AA hub and a region JAL doesn't fly to. A 787-9 should have no problem from NRT to MIA.


Is it just me, but why is MIA so logical? Of course it is a OW-hub but geographically it doesn't make sense. Where would a passenger from TYO connect to via MIA without making a detour. Some caribic islands? That won't be a big market. And if their would be strong demand between MIA and TYO, I assume their would be a direct flight already.


If every market with strong demand had non-stop service, then airlines might as well fire their route planning execs. There are plenty of routes around the world that have demand and remain unserved, hence every week airlines announce new routes connecting new city pairs.
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:58 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
LH658 wrote:
Austin there 787 perfect, it has low configuration.

But that means it requires even higher yield than a flight of that distance otherwise would, to sustain the sparse configuration.



When I mention ICN, in other threads. People say "no AUS to TYO is much viable lol." Either or can work TYO or ICN.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:13 pm

LH658 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
But that means it requires even higher yield than a flight of that distance otherwise would, to sustain the sparse configuration.



When I mention ICN, in other threads. People say "no AUS to TYO is much viable lol." Either or can work TYO or ICN.


Unless we are talking about cities that have relatively more TYO demand than average or cities where Skyteam is very weak, ICN almost always makes more sense than TYO because of the strength of the hub. ORD-ICN-NGO is a lot easier than ORD-NRT/HND-NGO.
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:16 pm

Maybe they could try HAM again, as ANA went to DUS. HAM used to be one of the only like 8 to 10 european Destinations up to the late 80s, being the only german destination besides FRA.

But I think it would definitely not be one of the next destinations. Maybe part of a big expansion one day, if.
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:00 pm

DTWorld wrote:
BNA, RDU, AUS or PHL.


No, BNA and RDU aren't ready yet for TPAC service. AUS maybe, but there are more deserving (bigger) markets first.

PHL would be an interesting choice. I'm thinking them, MIA or PDX.
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:04 pm

My choices for the US would be PHL, MCO, CLT, SEA, PDX, or MIA
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:33 pm

DTWorld wrote:
BNA, RDU, AUS or PHL.


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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:33 pm

Back to GRU please. Someone also need to bring rates SAmerica to Japan/Asia down asap!
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:38 pm

LH658 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
But that means it requires even higher yield than a flight of that distance otherwise would, to sustain the sparse configuration.



When I mention ICN, in other threads. People say "no AUS to TYO is much viable lol." Either or can work TYO or ICN.


AUS is still not viable for either of them. Its not a matter of which, it's a matter of when there will be enough demand to support a TPAC flight. It's going to be another 5-10 years minimum IMO. There is nearly zero connecting capacity and AUS is far down the list of cities without TPAC service in PDEW to Asia. The next cities will be MIA, CLT, PHX, and SLC.

In the context of this thread, I want to remind people that JAL is a very conservative carrier. They aren't going to try flights like BNA... I almost spit out my coffee lol. Do people actually seriously believe that JAL would start a flight to BNA?
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:38 pm

The biggest gap in their North American network is YYZ. If feed can be gotten from WestJet, YYZ would work. I would pin my bet on YYZ if not MIA.

As for AUS, I wouldn't rule them out with a B788 with 161 seats.

I rule out anything Hawaii for now because they'll put them on HA.
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:42 pm

Overthecascades wrote:
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PDX?

PDX before SEA?


I’m guessing him saying PDX is on the oft repeated assumption that DL will discontinue PDX-NRT. SEA already has two NRT flights.
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:59 pm

In North America it should be YYZ and MIA with WS/AA code share.

In Europe it should be MXP MAN and I agree that DXB can work provided they agree to codeshare/interline with EK or FZ beyond to GCC/Africa.
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:03 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Back to GRU please. Someone also need to bring rates SAmerica to Japan/Asia down asap!


At least we haven’t heard CLE, CMH, CVG, DTW, IND, MCI, MKE, STL, etc. yet!
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:04 pm

Overthecascades wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
PDX?

PDX before SEA?


Yes, because ANA and DL already serve SEA...
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:25 pm

As a wildcard how about Las Vegas? I don't have any numbers as to number of people who fly between Japan and LAS but thought I would throw this one out there.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:51 pm

BNE? (Fingers crossed)
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:53 pm

Tehran? IR used to operate flights to Narita from IKA. Country no longer under many sanctions. Business can take place.
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:01 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
As a wildcard how about Las Vegas? I don't have any numbers as to number of people who fly between Japan and LAS but thought I would throw this one out there.

Japan Airlines actually used to fly to LAS, but 9/11 killed the route. I would not be surprised if JL resumes LAS in the next couple years or so, and the 787 would be the ideal aircraft to restart it.
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:00 pm

JAL has only 4 EU destinations. FRA, CDG, HEL and LHR. So I would suggest AMS or BRU, VIE and WAW.
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:04 pm

My money is on either PER or MIA, both oneworld hubs, both unserved markets with demand. QF and AA are bothe JL partners who could provide feed.
 
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Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:29 pm

Overthecascades wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
PDX?

PDX before SEA?



Wait...hold up!

JAL doesn't serve SEA ?!??!?!???!??! :spit:

I'd say that before MIA
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