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Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:02 pm

All but the MD-82 are 1997-2001 builds:
https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... e-md80.htm

As much as I want to see these fly, the used price of A319s is cheap enough that few airlines want a type surviving off parts from scrapped aircraft, excluding wear items still in production: window seals, brakes/pads, and of course parts common to other aircraft.

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Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:05 pm

American 767 wrote:
danipawa wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
god i can't wait for them to be scrapped


No, many of them are getting new lifes at south america and Africa.


The last few MD-80s built 20 years ago yes for sure because they still have some life left, and they have been flying long segments so they still have quite a few cycles to go before retirement. But now the question is: does N501AA, the sole MD-82 left, still have some left after leaving AA? Because N501AA must be now at 23 years old if not older, don't know when N501AA was delivered but I know all 260 nAAtive AA MD-80s were delivered by 1996, and it must have quite a lot of cycles by now.


According to airfleets.net N501AA was delivered October 1989, so almost 30. https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-md80-49738.htm
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American 767 wrote:
danipawa wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
god i can't wait for them to be scrapped


No, many of them are getting new lifes at south america and Africa.


The last few MD-80s built 20 years ago yes for sure because they still have some life left, and they have been flying long segments so they still have quite a few cycles to go before retirement. But now the question is: does N501AA, the sole MD-82 left, still have some left after leaving AA? Because N501AA must be now at 23 years old if not older, don't know when N501AA was delivered but I know all 260 nAAtive AA MD-80s were delivered by 1996, and it must have quite a lot of cycles by now.

None of them have much life left. Hours/cycles doesn’t matter, with DL dumping their fleet in a little over a year there will be no major carrier operating MD-80s in bulk and maintenance/support costs are going to go through the roof.
 
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747d10 wrote:
American 767 wrote:
danipawa wrote:

No, many of them are getting new lifes at south america and Africa.


The last few MD-80s built 20 years ago yes for sure because they still have some life left, and they have been flying long segments so they still have quite a few cycles to go before retirement. But now the question is: does N501AA, the sole MD-82 left, still have some left after leaving AA? Because N501AA must be now at 23 years old if not older, don't know when N501AA was delivered but I know all 260 nAAtive AA MD-80s were delivered by 1996, and it must have quite a lot of cycles by now.


According to airfleets.net N501AA was delivered October 1989, so almost 30. https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-md80-49738.htm



Let us out in perspective the MD-80 is certified for 110,000 flight cycles (FC) and 150,000 flight hours. One performs maintenance on either or both, depending how systems wear.

The A320 is certified for 60,000 FC and 120,000 FH. At 24 to 28 years, the A320s will run out of certified life, almost always with 12,000+ FC left (use up life on hours). For example, the E-190 wing spar cracks on hours. Landing gear and engines wear on cycles, but some added wear, in particular compressor stator actuators on hours, flaps wear on a mix.

The conclusion is an MD-80 is built for 25% more hours than an A320. So it should be good for 30 to 35 years (more if properly stored).

But variable costs are another matter. An MD-80 burns slightly more fuel than a 737-800:
viewtopic.php?t=467405
Now, that thread is 12 years old. PiPs have reduced 738 fuel burn about 5% since then (engine PiPs, scimitar winglets) and 738 maintenance costs have improved more.

Even more relevant, there are old A320s and, once the MAX flies again, plenty of used 737NGs. Parts are also getting pricey on the MD-80. A workhorse whose time has come. Pratt doesn't fully support the engines even as AA and DL run off cannibalized parts and 'golden engines' or engines with hours left pulled from scrapped airframes.

Oh, I know DL will swap parts engine to engine if that extends the life. E.g., if an engine has a good set of combustor cans and high turbine with say 2,000 cycles left, some are going into Frankenstein engines. But mostly low utilization of engines with life left.

DL must be buying G4 and AA golden engines.

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Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:46 pm

737 classic 1980 build in service per airfleets:
https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b737-22056.htm

Wow, low limit if validity for that line number if 737, 75,000 FC or 100,000 FH, yet still going?

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Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:44 pm

Flew on N9616G DFW-IAH on 8/22. I came late to the AA S80 and if I remember correctly my first time flying on one didn't come until last year. I'm glad I managed to get a few flights in before they fly off into the sunset but to be perfectly honest I agree with the opinion that they it's time for them to retire.
 
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:49 pm

danipawa wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
god i can't wait for them to be scrapped


No, many of them are getting new lifes at south america and Africa.


AA's fleet of MD-8X is the youngest in the world, if Airfleets-net is to be believed.

Remains to be seen, if this will help -- as with barely 250 MD-8X of all types still active, retirement of both AA's and Delta's (wealthiest and largest operators of the type) will not only wipe 100 frames off that list. It will remove financial backbone from the supply chain.

Then, either the system will collapse, and few remaining frames will struggle along for a short while towards an early grounding; or an eco-system of low-volume parts manufacturing, plus scavenging, will keep a small fleet flying. Possibly in jurisdictions, where parts manufacturing is possible, but getting them FAA-certified is not.
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:15 pm

When did AA stop using MD-80s on charter flights?
 
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:39 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
danipawa wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
god i can't wait for them to be scrapped


No, many of them are getting new lifes at south america and Africa.


AA's fleet of MD-8X is the youngest in the world, if Airfleets-net is to be believed.

Remains to be seen, if this will help -- as with barely 250 MD-8X of all types still active, retirement of both AA's and Delta's (wealthiest and largest operators of the type) will not only wipe 100 frames off that list. It will remove financial backbone from the supply chain.

Then, either the system will collapse, and few remaining frames will struggle along for a short while towards an early grounding; or an eco-system of low-volume parts manufacturing, plus scavenging, will keep a small fleet flying. Possibly in jurisdictions, where parts manufacturing is possible, but getting them FAA-certified is not.


It should be. TWA had some of the last ships off the line which is the bulk of what AA has left.

There's won't be much of a secondary life for these as the parts supply chain is effectively deceased.
 
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:20 pm

Yeah I guess that makes sense; it's one thing to fly an old aircraft, another thing to fly an old aircraft whose numbers are low and support is all but available anymore.

WN732 wrote:
Today Austin is scheduled to receive our last MD-80 on AA. They have been Saturday only since mid July.


Currently over Waco! It's not coming next week?
 
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Yeah I guess that makes sense; it's one thing to fly an old aircraft, another thing to fly an old aircraft whose numbers are low and support is all but available anymore.

WN732 wrote:
Today Austin is scheduled to receive our last MD-80 on AA. They have been Saturday only since mid July.


Currently over Waco! It's not coming next week?


Nope! This is it. They switch to A321 after this. I flew on the same flight last Saturday.
 
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WN732 wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
Yeah I guess that makes sense; it's one thing to fly an old aircraft, another thing to fly an old aircraft whose numbers are low and support is all but available anymore.

WN732 wrote:
Today Austin is scheduled to receive our last MD-80 on AA. They have been Saturday only since mid July.


Currently over Waco! It's not coming next week?


Nope! This is it. They switch to A321 after this. I flew on the same flight last Saturday.


I saw it flyby. Last I saw of it was as it flew behind some trees. Goodbye AA MD80.
 
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One of the MD-80 simulators was sold to Everts and is now in Fairbanks.
If they're smart, they'd buy a 2nd one for parts/spares!
 
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One of the MD-80 simulators was sold to Everts and is now in Fairbanks.
If they're smart, they'd buy a 2nd one for parts/spares!


Well, that portends a longer life of MD-BX at Everts Air Cargo!

Knowing, for how long they're keeping DC-6 flying, one can be pretty sure MD-8X will be operating in Everts colours for quite some while, yet.
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Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:01 am

Yes, purchasing a simulator definitely is a signal they intend to invest in the type's future.
 
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But variable costs are another matter. An MD-80 burns slightly more fuel than a 737-800:
viewtopic.php?t=467405
Now, that thread is 12 years old. PiPs have reduced 738 fuel burn about 5% since then (engine PiPs, scimitar winglets) and 738 maintenance costs have improved more.


Oh, there are some predictions in that thread that have really failed! (It doesn't look like I can quote because the thread is locked.)

Moman - AA doesn't want to be receiving 737s in 2020 but you have a good point. For all we know, AA might never replace all the MD80s. It's a good likelihood that some of the routes flown will go to AE, and you can bet dollars to donuts that some kind of scope clause will be a big portion of the 2008 pilot negotiations and future negotiations in 2013 and later. So the bet is that AA takes no more than 30-50 additional 737s and then replaces the MD80s with RJ flying or maybe something like EMB-190 size jets.


TrijetsRmissed - We have read a lot about AA's urgency in wanting to phase out the MD-80 fleet but we cannot say the same thing for DL, for the time being. It's only a matter of time before the DL mainline fleet is all Boeing, but not as soon as you think. Emphasis mine.

In addition to Lightsaber's remarks on the MD-8x parts ecosystem, I'll offer that mainline pilot wages bounced back (for DL and UA) faster than might have been expected post Ch 11, and scope protections limiting RJ fleets have proved very unforgiving. This has stunted RJ (and E90) flying particularly and forced upgauging at AA/DL/UA. (The 737-300s that UA retired in 2009 are back as used 737-700s, not more E145s or E90s.)
 
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It's only a matter of time before the DL mainline fleet is all Boeing[/b], but not as soon as you think.

This was entertaining to read. Thank you.

 
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STL has it's last MD80 to DFW on Sept 4th
 
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Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:19 pm

I just looked on airfleets. 5 MD-80s were retired this week. One from AA, one from DL. I'm not tracking others, so I cannot determine easily who else retired MD-80s.

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I just looked on airfleets. 5 MD-80s were retired this week. One from AA, one from DL. I'm not tracking others, so I cannot determine easily who else retired MD-80s.

Lightsaber


American retired N9618A on Wednesday and N9629H on Thursday.
 
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lightsaber wrote:
I just looked on airfleets. 5 MD-80s were retired this week. One from AA, one from DL. I'm not tracking others, so I cannot determine easily who else retired MD-80s.

Lightsaber


American retired N9618A on Wednesday and N9629H on Thursday.

Thank you. One of those two hasn't yet been deregistered or airfleets.net is lagging.

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Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:24 am

Per this tweet, N501AA has been assigned the honor to operate the last flight on 9/4.

https://twitter.com/theforwardcabin/sta ... 83328?s=21
 
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How many cycles/hours does N501AA have?

Prior retirements went to 89,773 hrs (of 150,000 certified). MD-80s are certified for so many cycles, they are not a factor, excluding island hopping like HA:
https://airlinegeeks.com/2018/08/21/dis ... o-roswell/

I had a link, I cannot find it to look up hours/cycles off FAA maintenance paper.

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Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:42 am

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All but the MD-82 are 1997-2001 builds:
https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... e-md80.htm

As much as I want to see these fly, the used price of A319s is cheap enough that few airlines want a type surviving off parts from scrapped aircraft, excluding wear items still in production: window seals, brakes/pads, and of course parts common to other aircraft.

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737 classic 1980 build in service per airfleets:
https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b737-22056.htm

Wow, low limit if validity for that line number if 737, 75,000 FC or 100,000 FH, yet still going?

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/aerom ... ticle2.pdf


Looking at that aircraft’s origins, its first four years of its existence were with an energy company. Must have put in few hours during those early years. Nowadays, it’s primarily used for Canadian North’s jet service to the scheduled gravel runway communities of YCO / Kugluktuk and YCB / Cambridge Bay and for gravel runway charters.
 
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:43 am

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How many cycles/hours does N501AA have?

Prior retirements went to 89,773 hrs (of 150,000 certified). MD-80s are certified for so many cycles, they are not a factor, excluding island hopping like HA:
https://airlinegeeks.com/2018/08/21/dis ... o-roswell/

I had a link, I cannot find it to look up hours/cycles off FAA maintenance paper.

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Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:56 am

Flew on an American S80 the other day... Found it interesting how American's ticketing system during the check in still called the equipment a DC-9. Also, when entering the aircraft, there was a placard that stated how the aircraft was a DC-9-83.

Even with the MD88s and 717s (on other airlines), they have no written DC-9 placard on them... A name is just a name and they are all just evolutions of each other but I just couldn't help but like that DC9 placard and the McDonnell Douglas labeled window shades. :D
 
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:07 am

pmanni1 wrote:
STL has it's last MD80 to DFW on Sept 4th


Yes, AA1999 leaving STL at 7.30AM arriving DFW at 9.24AM. I am wondering if it will be the same aircraft that will continue to ORD as AA80 the VERY final flight...I just found out that no. Because AA80 is schedule to leave DFW at 9.00AM, according to aa.com. The one arriving from STL will end her career in DFW and fly right away into retirement in ROW, unless another operator is waiting for her.
N501AA, or N984TW, or neither...that is the question.
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Flew on an American S80 the other day... Found it interesting how American's ticketing system during the check in still called the equipment a DC-9. Also, when entering the aircraft, there was a placard that stated how the aircraft was a DC-9-83.

Even with the MD88s and 717s (on other airlines), they have no written DC-9 placard on them... A name is just a name and they are all just evolutions of each other but I just couldn't help but like that DC9 placard and the McDonnell Douglas labeled window shades. :D


Yes, because MD-82s and 83s were officially certified by the FAA as DC-9-82s and 83s. But MD-88s were never certified as DC-9-88s. There is a DC-9-82 and a DC-9-83 but there is no such thing as a DC-9-88. It was in the late 80s when Mc Donnell Douglas unveiled the MD-88 that they decided all new aircraft designed and built at that point in time would be certified as MDs and no longer as DCs. The 717 was originally the MD-95, but it was never a DC-9-95.
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:42 am

So do you guys know if American or DFW will plan anything special for the day? Unfortunately I didn't get a ticket on AA80, but I did get a ticket on the last revenue pax flight into DFW, being the Albuquerque flight. I'm hoping to arrive to a celebration tbh.
 
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:01 am

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How many cycles/hours does N501AA have?



44344 cycles and 82396 hours on 501 as of this morning.
In comparison, N984TW has 27843 cycles and 53553 hours.
 
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Some of my first memories of flying were on AA's super 80's and F100's. We use to fly out of LGA and they were no stranger to LGA. I recall the F100's having a glass cockpit, does anyone know why?


Yes, the Fokker 100 dates from the 80s. Well, yes American only got it in the early 90s, but it was designed by Fokker already in the mid 80s. Glass cockpit is a technology dating from the 80s, all aircraft that were designed in that era, Fokker 100, A320, B747-400...just to name a few...featured glass cockpit technology. Glass cockpit wasn't an option on the Fokker 100, it was an implemented feature.


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Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:10 pm

Wrote this short but sweet tribute the other day for N9629H which was retired last week. I happened to catch her last departure, heading for the Roswell boneyard:

After nearly 21 years of service and countless flights, this McDonnell Douglas MD-83's JT8D engines roar to life and power her into the Texas skies for the final time in American Airlines colors, and quite possibly forever. AAL9652 is headed to Roswell, NM where many of her siblings meet their end.

ImageAmerican Airlines McDonnell Douglas MD-83 by Dylan Phelps, on Flickr
 
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747fan wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
How many cycles/hours does N501AA have?



44344 cycles and 82396 hours on 501 as of this morning.
In comparison, N984TW has 27843 cycles and 53553 hours.

Thank you.

Per my prior link, so far highest utilization AA MD-80 was 89,773 hours. High yield/high time at gate duty. Not surprising at DFW and ORD.

These are being retired for higher variable costs than the 737-800. That and no clear avionics upgrade vendor.

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:28 am

Just wanted to give everyone (specifically for the spotters) some heads up for september 4. I'll be covering the media flight and had some public info for you guys that wasn't all put in one place, so I wanted to make sure it was shared. There will be 3 "final flights" from DFW. There will be AA80 at 9AM, the Media flight at Noon to Roswell, as well as an employee goodbye flight to Roswell (departure time unknown but I believe its before the media flight). All Md80s will be sent to ROW on September 4th and will be arriving in ROW all afternoon. Hope someone is able to sit at DFW all day and get the final departures of all of these flights. and finally, although nothing has been confirmed yet, I believe it was to be 984 or 501 for AA80.
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:40 am

I still say we need a formation flyover of multiple MD-80s over DFW as they head to ROW!

I was looking earlier and there are still a few reasonably priced tickets for some of these last MD-80 flights, but my luck with equipment swaps for when I’m trying to get a specific type isn’t on my side...
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:36 am

What was the first American MD-83 route?
 
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..... All Md80s will be sent to ROW on September 4th and will be arriving in ROW all afternoon...
And there will be a NW DC-9 waiting to ferry all those pilots back to DFW. :mischievous:
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ryanflyer wrote:
..... All Md80s will be sent to ROW on September 4th and will be arriving in ROW all afternoon...
And there will be a NW DC-9 waiting to ferry all those pilots back to DFW. :mischievous:


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KFTG wrote:
One of the MD-80 simulators was sold to Everts and is now in Fairbanks.
If they're smart, they'd buy a 2nd one for parts/spares!


Well, that portends a longer life of MD-BX at Everts Air Cargo!

Knowing, for how long they're keeping DC-6 flying, one can be pretty sure MD-8X will be operating in Everts colours for quite some while, yet.


Everts has indeed purchased another MD-80 sim for parts/spares.

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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:37 pm

TWA902fly wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
KFTG wrote:
One of the MD-80 simulators was sold to Everts and is now in Fairbanks.
If they're smart, they'd buy a 2nd one for parts/spares!


Well, that portends a longer life of MD-BX at Everts Air Cargo!

Knowing, for how long they're keeping DC-6 flying, one can be pretty sure MD-8X will be operating in Everts colours for quite some while, yet.


Everts has indeed purchased another MD-80 sim for parts/spares.

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I guess, we have a winner.
If they own a working simulator, and a spare one to cannibalize, they are in for a long ride with MD-8X.

Probably, same will be the story with MD-8X frames -- they could selectively pick up some good frames to supplement their fleet, while scouring the world for spares and engines, as other operators are dropping dead from spare part drought.
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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:47 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
TWA902fly wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:

Well, that portends a longer life of MD-BX at Everts Air Cargo!

Knowing, for how long they're keeping DC-6 flying, one can be pretty sure MD-8X will be operating in Everts colours for quite some while, yet.


Everts has indeed purchased another MD-80 sim for parts/spares.

'902

I guess, we have a winner.
If they own a working simulator, and a spare one to cannibalize, they are in for a long ride with MD-8X.

Probably, same will be the story with MD-8X frames -- they could selectively pick up some good frames to supplement their fleet, while scouring the world for spares and engines, as other operators are dropping dead from spare part drought.


That's exactly what's happening. Everts currently has a fleet of 3 MD-80s (2 MD-83s, 1 MD-82), and recently converted two other MD-83s which are expected to enter service this fall. 10+ were also purchased as spare parts. Same thing they did with their DC-6s.

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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:05 pm

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What was the first American MD-83 route?


ORD-west coast if I’m not mistaken. Supplementing DC10s and replacing 727s. I don’t know the exact route, but former routes such as ORD-ONT did not exist before the MD83, if I’m not mistaken. Keep in mind AA only converted 20 MD82 options into MD83. The rest came from TW.
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:00 am

DeltaMD95 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
What was the first American MD-83 route?


ORD-west coast if I’m not mistaken. Supplementing DC10s and replacing 727s. I don’t know the exact route, but former routes such as ORD-ONT did not exist before the MD83, if I’m not mistaken. Keep in mind AA only converted 20 MD82 options into MD83. The rest came from TW.

Did they ever operate the MD-83 out of SNA?
 
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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:08 am

itripreport wrote:
So do you guys know if American or DFW will plan anything special for the day? Unfortunately I didn't get a ticket on AA80, but I did get a ticket on the last revenue pax flight into DFW, being the Albuquerque flight. I'm hoping to arrive to a celebration tbh.


They did for the 727 in MIA back in 2002 on the very day that the last 4 727s were in service. There were celebrations at the departure gates, balloons, pilots doing speeches, memorabilia on sale...all the fun staff. I flew on the very final flight MIA-TPA-MIA, upon arriving in TPA there was a cake, similar to a wedding cake, offered to the passengers and crew. And the airplane received a water cannon salute upon arriving in MIA, the last base for the 727.
So I would imagine similar celebrations will happen for the MD-80 in DFW, because the MD-80 was an important workhorse for more than 30 years. Let me know if you see any when you go there, I won't be able to make it. I imagine that passengers on the very last departure, AA80 on September 4th, will be handed over certificates. I imagine that there will be water cannon salutes in DFW and ORD when AA80 arrives.
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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:42 am

What are the chances they’ll route those final flights inbound to DFW on the 4th to the west side (18s/36s) to give folks at Founders Plaza a good view and farewell?
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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:59 pm

QF7 wrote:
What are the chances they’ll route those final flights inbound to DFW on the 4th to the west side (18s/36s) to give folks at Founders Plaza a good view and farewell?


Well I know the have a couple of arrivals coming from the west so I feel like this might end up being the case, at least I hope so.
 
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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:01 pm

American 767 wrote:
itripreport wrote:
So do you guys know if American or DFW will plan anything special for the day? Unfortunately I didn't get a ticket on AA80, but I did get a ticket on the last revenue pax flight into DFW, being the Albuquerque flight. I'm hoping to arrive to a celebration tbh.


They did for the 727 in MIA back in 2002 on the very day that the last 4 727s were in service. There were celebrations at the departure gates, balloons, pilots doing speeches, memorabilia on sale...all the fun staff. I flew on the very final flight MIA-TPA-MIA, upon arriving in TPA there was a cake, similar to a wedding cake, offered to the passengers and crew. And the airplane received a water cannon salute upon arriving in MIA, the last base for the 727.
So I would imagine similar celebrations will happen for the MD-80 in DFW, because the MD-80 was an important workhorse for more than 30 years. Let me know if you see any when you go there, I won't be able to make it. I imagine that passengers on the very last departure, AA80 on September 4th, will be handed over certificates. I imagine that there will be water cannon salutes in DFW and ORD when AA80 arrives.
Did they do anything for the Fokker 100 when it retired? Nothing as far as I know, not that I remember.


Crossing my fingers that this is the case. I'm on the final pax flight to arrive into DFW, which is scheduled to arrive after AA80 departs so I'm hoping whatever festivities are planned are still in place.
 
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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:49 pm

I flew on my one and only AA MD80 yesterday on AA1617 OMA-DFW. The first thing i noticed was that the tabs on the window shades said "MCDONNELL DOUGLAS" on them. Probably my favorite detail! And i noticed instantly how high pitched the engines were. Me and my buddy moved further back by the engines and i got videos of takeoff and landing and great pictures. The FAs also loved the airplane since they had been with it their while careers.
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