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Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:59 pm

Will be interesting to find out what caused this.

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/000-gallo ... eGnINLlbP/
 
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:41 pm

Sounds like a spill that was really blown out of proportion. A 1000 gallons? I really doubt it was even close to that much. The lake of fuel would have covered about an acre.
 
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:02 pm

Dalmd88 wrote:
Sounds like a spill that was really blown out of proportion. A 1000 gallons? I really doubt it was even close to that much. The lake of fuel would have covered about an acre.


1 Gallon is about 3,78 litres so 1000 gallons is 3785 litres which is 3.785 m3 -> one cube where the sides are 3,785 m.
Or if you prefer imperial units. 1 gallon is approx 4.9 cubic yards.

I am no expert at jet fuel but one acre sounds a bit much? That's around 4000m2.
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:08 pm

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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:33 pm

Dalmd88 wrote:
Sounds like a spill that was really blown out of proportion. A 1000 gallons? I really doubt it was even close to that much. The lake of fuel would have covered about an acre.


According to most news reports, that number came from Atlanta Fire Rescue officials. Not sure why they wouldn't know. Seems like a reputable source to me.
 
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:54 pm

According to Wikipedia the fuel capacity of a B737-300 is 5,311US Gallons.

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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:29 am

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
Dalmd88 wrote:
Sounds like a spill that was really blown out of proportion. A 1000 gallons? I really doubt it was even close to that much. The lake of fuel would have covered about an acre.


1 Gallon is about 3,78 litres so 1000 gallons is 3785 litres which is 3.785 m3 -> one cube where the sides are 3,785 m.
Or if you prefer imperial units. 1 gallon is approx 4.9 cubic yards.

I am no expert at jet fuel but one acre sounds a bit much? That's around 4000m2.


Your math is a bit off. 1 gallon=0.13 ft^3, which is nowhere near the 4.9 yd^3 you referenced.

My math using the metric system (I don’t know if it completely confirms the first part of your post because we are using periods and commas differently; I’m using them the American way):

1000 gal x (3.78 L / 1 gal) = 3780 L

3780 L x (.001 m^3 / 1 L) = 3.78 m^3

An 1000 gallon fuel spill would (at most due to evaporation) fill twoto three average port-a-potties. There would be no lake of fuel, only a very large puddle.

Edit: better analogy. This amount of fuel would take up less volume than a CFM56 as you see it on the wing of a 737NG (volume estimated = 18 m^3 based on Wikipedia figures and my own calculations).
 
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:37 am

Dalmd88 wrote:
Sounds like a spill that was really blown out of proportion. A 1000 gallons? I really doubt it was even close to that much. The lake of fuel would have covered about an acre.


1000 gallons of liquid over an acre would be 1/27 of an inch deep, assuming no evaporation. Hardly a lake.

One inch of liquid over an acre is 27,000 gallons.
 
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:45 am

At 10:00 AM train A left the station and an hour later train B left the same station on a parallel track. If train A traveled at a constant speed of 60 miles per hour and train B at 80 miles per hour, then at what time did train B pass train A?
 
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:25 am

Unknown. You never said if they traveled in the same direction.

However, at 2pm they had both traveled 240 miles. We just don't know which way.
 
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:50 am

LTCM wrote:
Unknown. You never said if they traveled in the same direction.

However, at 2pm they had both traveled 240 miles. We just don't know which way.


As it said one left an hour later at 20mph more and asked when B would pass A, yes they did indicate they were going the same direction.
 
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:02 am

rbavfan wrote:
LTCM wrote:
Unknown. You never said if they traveled in the same direction.

However, at 2pm they had both traveled 240 miles. We just don't know which way.


As it said one left an hour later at 20mph more and asked when B would pass A, yes they did indicate they were going the same direction.


No, he said they were on parallel tracks. Trains can run on parallel tracks in opposite directions...
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:32 am

As someone who spent 5+ hours involved in the cleanup, I can tell you that number is conservative. The head connecting the hydrant truck to the fuel pit, was run over by a pushback tractor.

The resulting geyser of fuel, was over 30 ft high, and flowed in excess of :10 minutes; photos of this can be seen all over the intertubes.

Ramp 6N was closed for hours, the north end of E concourse was evacuated, etc, etc........
 
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:29 am

Thanks for the update DLATLOSM. I hope the cleanup wasn't too challenging or stressful.

I'm glad you were able to post relatively soon before too much thread space was wasted on speculating and guessing.
 
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:02 am

DLATLOSM wrote:
As someone who spent 5+ hours involved in the cleanup, I can tell you that number is conservative. The head connecting the hydrant truck to the fuel pit, was run over by a pushback tractor.

The resulting geyser of fuel, was over 30 ft high, and flowed in excess of :10 minutes; photos of this can be seen all over the intertubes.

Ramp 6N was closed for hours, the north end of E concourse was evacuated, etc, etc........


A former co-worker now in ATL told me " Be careful when driving around hoses connected to fuel lines, even if you have over 30 years seniority.. And yes, the geyser that happened on E concourse could be seen from both F and D concourse. Suffice to say, it was more than 1000 pounds.... And the CRJ at that gate was covered head to toe in jetA
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:23 am

Maybe we should just agree that it was a significant amount of fuel and let it go at that.....
 
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:10 am

Typical hydrant systems at the hydrant outlet run about 100 psi, and can flow up to 1200 gallons per minute (I helped commission the hydrant system at KSEA in 2005 and have been in the industry for 23 years). That scenario definitely sounds plausible, even though that had to have been one hell of a hit to bust the hydrant coupler like that...
 
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:52 pm

Luckily there was no fire, the day could have ended badly.
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:27 pm

nwadeicer wrote:
And yes, the geyser that happened on E concourse could be seen from both F and D concourse. Suffice to say, it was more than 1000 pounds.... And the CRJ at that gate was covered head to toe in jetA


We were lucky. A plane covered 'head to toe' in Jet A is quite risky.

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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:51 pm

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
Dalmd88 wrote:
Sounds like a spill that was really blown out of proportion. A 1000 gallons? I really doubt it was even close to that much. The lake of fuel would have covered about an acre.


1 Gallon is about 3,78 litres so 1000 gallons is 3785 litres which is 3.785 m3 -> one cube where the sides are 3,785 m.
Or if you prefer imperial units. 1 gallon is approx 4.9 cubic yards.

I am no expert at jet fuel but one acre sounds a bit much? That's around 4000m2.


Hope the people on this board aren't all engineers...

No-one else spotted the glaring mistake above?!

3.785m3 is almost four cubes where the sides are 1 metre.

One cube where the sides are 3.875 metres is 58.186m3 - that's fifteen times larger!
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:02 pm

DLATLOSM wrote:
The resulting geyser of fuel, was over 30 ft high, and flowed in excess of :10 minutes; photos of this can be seen all over the intertubes.


Do you have pics of it? I'd be interested to see what this looked like. Also, what's your estimate of how much fuel was actually spilled?
 
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Re: Over 1,000 gallons of fuel spilled at Hartsfield-Jackson

Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:35 pm

Glad no planes were over there, that would of been chaos.
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