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Delta Services

Sun Aug 22, 1999 10:56 pm

Hi :

Chance is Delta is not going to put B777 into services due to the pilots's recent disagreement.
So ... what will Delta use to fly long-haul routes ? MD-11 is going to replaced little by little by all US carriers by the end of 2001.
Personally I don't want to fly in a narrow B757 on the long-haul route such as from LAX to JFK (approximately 6h).

Any information ... Thanks
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RE: Delta Services

Tue Aug 24, 1999 2:31 am

Do not expect Delta to pull the MD-11 fleet. They will add the 767-400ER next year, if the ALPA will fly the planes for a reasonable price. Right now, Delta is offering $195,000 per year for the planes. The ALPA has not made its 1st offer. We'll see what happens.

As for the 777, I think that it will eventually be a part of the fleet, but not until the next contract is signed. So the MD-11 will probably stay. They continue to spend a great deal of money on the fleet. However, it remains the most unreliable plane that they have had in recent decades.

Delta's future viability is heavily dependent on labor relations with the ALPA. Delta's pilots, as a whole, are widely disliked by the rest of the employee body. As an Atlanta resident, I have many friends who work for the airline and who often chastise the ALPA.

I think we will learn of Delta's future over the next year as Contract 2000 negotiations are started. Don't hold your breath. Over the last 12 months, the ALPA has killed a pact with United and killed the B777 fleet plans. Over the last decade, the pilots have caused numerous other problems for the company. If the union had agreed to a pay cut with the Delta 7.5 program, Delta would not have had to lay people off. But no, while all of the other employees of the company took a cut, the pilots simply did not receive a raise.

It is a shame that such a great company with such a strong financial situation is being held captive by the one union that has any real strength in the company. The pilots want a seat on the Board of Directors. However, they do not want to pay for it. So I think that all of these problems would probably be solved if the pilots started buying huge chunks of stock, and then elect one of themselves to the board.


RE: Delta Services

Tue Aug 24, 1999 4:39 am

I've written about this topic on an earlier post. So read on because it discusses the same idea.
As a confirmation to all this, I spoke to the president of Latin American
services last week while at the Delta technical operations center. He
basically told me that the dispute was approximately over, in other
words, they will indeed return the 777's. He explained that even though
the pilots from Delta received fairly well, the pilots argued that
eventually with all payment summed up, they would have a slight downfall
on payment compared with other airlines. He said that Delta could not
give in for the pilot demands basically to show the pilots who is really
in charge of the business...
For now one 777 is being used on the ATL-London legs while the other
operates on domestic flights from ATL to Orlando. My opinion is that it
really is a loss to the company because of the hi-tech equipment they are
giving up, which would revert to more profit. The MD-11's will take over
the intended routes.
For the other frames, I was told there were orders for 767-400/300,
ERJ-145 for the regional subsidaries, 737NG (mainly 800), and if I'm not
wrong 757-200. Regarding the aging fleet: 727's will eventually phase-out
but not for a while. He explained that there is sufficient maintenance
levels to keep the aircrafts in operation for quite a while, as hush-kits
were being added while he said it,..same with MD-80's intention of
staying although will be replaced in the "near" future... Lastly,
although admitting 747 cost effectiveness on routes to Asia, I was told
these are not on the company's intention.
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RE: Delta Services

Wed Aug 25, 1999 12:58 am

Hi. Delta Airlines has changed its 777 orders inot the new 767-400 for long haul. also the airline continues to fly its md-11s which are planned to be retired no earlier until 2010 unless there is a safety problem with the aircraft. Also Delta has stated that the 777 is a popular aircraft on the few routes it flew and does plan to have the aircraft in its fleet at some time.
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