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Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:36 am

The 2017 Dubai Air Show (12-16 November) is upon us and it would be appropriate to run main threads on the major MOU / Order announcements. This thread is for Boeing announcements.

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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:46 am

Can't wait to see what company will order. I know Delta have their hands full on the 737-900ER, A321-200, and the future CS100 aircraft. But I know they are gonna have to replace quite a few 737-800s, and A319/A320 since they are getting up to their age. There were talks about them considering ordering the 737 MAX series, because in all honestly, there has to be more than a heap load to replace the older narrowbody fleet. A lot more. Still stoked though about this year's air show!
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:02 am

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I know Delta...are gonna have to replace quite a few 737-800s


Not sure why my previous comment was deleted, but once again, it will likely be at least ten years until DL needs or wants to retire any 737-800s.
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:30 am

Narfish641 wrote:
Can't wait to see what company will order. I know Delta have their hands full on the 737-900ER, A321-200, and the future CS100 aircraft. But I know they are gonna have to replace quite a few 737-800s, and A319/A320 since they are getting up to their age. There were talks about them considering ordering the 737 MAX series, because in all honestly, there has to be more than a heap load to replace the older narrowbody fleet. A lot more. Still stoked though about this year's air show!


Not a chance Delta would order at the Dubai Airshow
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:33 am

I would be amazed if any US legacy carrier placed an order at the Dubai Airshow.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:02 am

surfdog75 wrote:
I would be amazed if any US legacy carrier placed an order at the Dubai Airshow.

United has been showing interest in some new 767s. Possibly them.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:20 am

I wouldn't even expect too many non regional orders, unless they are from airlines with very close ties to the ME3 carriers.
 
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Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:27 am

EA CO AS wrote:
Narfish641 wrote:
I know Delta...are gonna have to replace quite a few 737-800s


Not sure why my previous comment was deleted, but once again, it will likely be at least ten years until DL needs or wants to retire any 737-800s.

Well once again I will agree with you. Considering they way Delta works, even the oldest 738s have many years left in them. They also are just too much of a money maker still to get rid of as they haven’t gone too obsolete yet. If any 737s go, I would think it would be their 73Gs which they more or less admitted they don’t like so much.
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Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:42 am

Maybe some Indian carriers. Didn't Vistara say they were interested in the 777X a while ago?
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:48 am

Waiting the EK B787-10 order tomorrow ¡¡¡¡¡
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:04 am

pabloeing wrote:
Waiting the EK B787-10 order tomorrow ¡¡¡¡¡


Don't hold your breath...

Last we heard, the decision between the A350 and 787 was off the table.
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:03 am

As mentioned on another thread, Flydubai may order some B787s. Egyptair may announce their order for B787s.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:06 pm

Boeing are positive...

Boeing's top commercial sales executives expect an "exciting", albeit unpredictable, Dubai air show for aircraft orders

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... rs-443136/
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:18 pm

Here is a thought - could Jet2 order more 737-800's? or the max?

There 757-200's are to be around for another 5-6 years however they are consistently expanding season upon season. There new bases at STN & BHX seem to be performing very well so would imagine they need more aircraft to warrant further expansion into them.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:23 pm

fcogafa wrote:
As mentioned on another thread, Flydubai may order some B787s. Egyptair may announce their order for B787s.



Err fly Dubai for 787’s? Are you sure?
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:47 pm

Yes, it was mentioned on the 787 thread. Could make sense as FDB are getting closer to Emirates
 
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Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:24 pm

Given the Regression to the Mean one can/could reasonably expect Airbus to book a lot more orders than Boeing over the next year. It is not a law, but many of us would expect it.
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:36 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
I wouldn't even expect too many non regional orders, unless they are from airlines with very close ties to the ME3 carriers.

:shakehead: Given the political relations there's no way QR or an airline with close ties to QR will order anything at the Dubai air show.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:44 pm

Launch of the 797?
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:48 pm

I expect at least one airline to place an order for the 737 MAX.
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:51 pm

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I expect at least one airline to place an order for the 737 MAX.


Sticking your neck out there huh?
 
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Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:24 pm

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Launch of the 797?

I wouldn't expect that until Farnborough next year at the earliest.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:29 pm

Jetty wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
I wouldn't even expect too many non regional orders, unless they are from airlines with very close ties to the ME3 carriers.

:shakehead: Given the political relations there's no way QR or an airline with close ties to QR will order anything at the Dubai air show.


Pretty much excludes most of oneworld then.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:38 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Jetty wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
I wouldn't even expect too many non regional orders, unless they are from airlines with very close ties to the ME3 carriers.

:shakehead: Given the political relations there's no way QR or an airline with close ties to QR will order anything at the Dubai air show.


Pretty much excludes most of oneworld then.


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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:04 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Jetty wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
I wouldn't even expect too many non regional orders, unless they are from airlines with very close ties to the ME3 carriers.

:shakehead: Given the political relations there's no way QR or an airline with close ties to QR will order anything at the Dubai air show.


Pretty much excludes most of oneworld then.

That might be a bit of a stretch, I was thinking of Meridiana and LATAM mainly.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:15 pm

Spicejet could order some 787's
There were rumours of Vistara ordering 777X
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:20 pm

Nickd92 wrote:
Here is a thought - could Jet2 order more 737-800's? or the max?

There 757-200's are to be around for another 5-6 years however they are consistently expanding season upon season. There new bases at STN & BHX seem to be performing very well so would imagine they need more aircraft to warrant further expansion into them.


I think a Jet2 order of some sort is very likely in the next 12-18months, but I don't know if the Dubai Air Show is the most likely for it (but I could be completely wrong :P)
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:38 pm

JamesCousins wrote:
Nickd92 wrote:
Here is a thought - could Jet2 order more 737-800's? or the max?

There 757-200's are to be around for another 5-6 years however they are consistently expanding season upon season. There new bases at STN & BHX seem to be performing very well so would imagine they need more aircraft to warrant further expansion into them.


I think a Jet2 order of some sort is very likely in the next 12-18months, but I don't know if the Dubai Air Show is the most likely for it (but I could be completely wrong :P)


Well when i thought about it logically - the farnborough air show may make more sense. Given it's a UK based airline and that is a UK based air show. :lol: who knows, anything is possible in the aviation industry.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:18 pm

fcogafa wrote:
As mentioned on another thread, Flydubai may order some B787s.

Given one of the current EK/FZ differentiations is EK = WB and FZ = NB, such an announcement will be a marked departure from the recently negotiated new relationship between the two.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:23 pm

So 29 posts before there are any orders and the show hasn’t even opened yet. Can we have threads for orders please ?

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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:54 pm

What are the historical orders in terms of regions? Is it only airlines from the ME, close by, and airlines with ties to them, or has there ever been something like Paris or Farnborough in Dubai? It is pretty large as an airshow...
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:57 pm

Someone please explain this to me because I am ignorant on this.

How can an airline order a plane (lets say A380 for this case) and then once it's built back out on the deal or "push" them to a later time?

I get being able to clx before it's actually built, but once built?
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:04 pm

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How can an airline order a plane (lets say A380 for this case) and then once it's built back out on the deal or "push" them to a later time?


In the end, a contract is just a piece of paper and if the airlines chooses to not honor it, there is not much Airbus nor Boeing can do about it. In such a situation, Airbus/Boeing is legally allowed to keep the monies already paid as compensation for the rejection, however if they want the remaining amount owed, they will have to litigate in a civil court.

For large customers, that's generally not a strategy either OEM wishes to engage in as it could result in them being (effectively) black-listed for future orders. And for popular models (A320, A330, A350, 737, 777, 787) there are existing customers ready to take frames earlier so the OEM can re-assign the rejected / deferred frame.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:52 pm

Stitch wrote:
SpinOn2 wrote:
How can an airline order a plane (lets say A380 for this case) and then once it's built back out on the deal or "push" them to a later time?


In the end, a contract is just a piece of paper and if the airlines chooses to not honor it, there is not much Airbus nor Boeing can do about it. In such a situation, Airbus/Boeing is legally allowed to keep the monies already paid as compensation for the rejection, however if they want the remaining amount owed, they will have to litigate in a civil court.

For large customers, that's generally not a strategy either OEM wishes to engage in as it could result in them being (effectively) black-listed for future orders. And for popular models (A320, A330, A350, 737, 777, 787) there are existing customers ready to take frames earlier so the OEM can re-assign the rejected / deferred frame.


Yes and it goes ways as well. If an airline does things like this then the manufacturers won't want to deal with them either. It's the same for any company really reputable companies don't do things like that.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:58 pm

Jetty wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Jetty wrote:
:shakehead: Given the political relations there's no way QR or an airline with close ties to QR will order anything at the Dubai air show.


Pretty much excludes most of oneworld then.

That might be a bit of a stretch, I was thinking of Meridiana and LATAM mainly.


Meridiana is going to receive QR 787s and/or a330s. No new order is imminent.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:57 am

scbriml wrote:
pabloeing wrote:
Waiting the EK B787-10 order tomorrow ¡¡¡¡¡


Don't hold your breath...

Last we heard, the decision between the A350 and 787 was off the table.
https://theworldofaviationblog.wordpres ... -decision/
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1373197


Looks like its back on now...
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:59 am

Reuters said that Boeing and Emirates order is for 40 B787-10 and 60 options
More news soon.....
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:45 am

Yup Reuters seem pretty certain about it.Lot of egg on face if wrong so I don't suppose they are.Boeing did hint it would be an 'interesting' show.It is after all the obvious plane considering their brief.Where are they going to fit all these planes!
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:50 am

Brilliant if this comes true! The -10 could really do with this boost in it's final months of test flying prior to EIS.

What are the trade dates for this event?
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:12 am

OMG PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN!!! Also let's hope EK put a competitive J on their hypothetical 787's... ;)
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:32 am

OA940 wrote:
OMG PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN!!! Also let's hope EK put a competitive J on their hypothetical 787's... ;)

There you go. 40 787-10 ordered.
 
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AirIndia wrote:
OA940 wrote:
OMG PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN!!! Also let's hope EK put a competitive J on their hypothetical 787's... ;)

There you go. 40 787-10 ordered.


HELL YEAH!!! You can really see how ''off the table'' this was.
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Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:35 am

Amazing order
 
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Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:36 am

OA940 wrote:
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OA940 wrote:
OMG PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN!!! Also let's hope EK put a competitive J on their hypothetical 787's... ;)

There you go. 40 787-10 ordered.


HELL YEAH!!! You can really see how ''off the table'' this was.

A coup of sorts...... well played by Boeing
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:41 am

Here's a render of a EK 787-10

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https://twitter.com/emirates/status/929643289766191104

Boeing Press release

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2017-11-12- ... reamliners

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Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:21 am

204 planes on order from EK to Boeing in backlog
 
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Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:28 am

Azerbayan to order 5 B787-8 and 2 B777F
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:29 am

qf789 wrote:
Here's a render of a EK 787-10

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https://twitter.com/emirates/status/929643289766191104

Boeing Press release

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2017-11-12- ... reamliners

Deliveries to begin 2022


Looks fantastic! But then again I don't wanna wait 5 years to see it. The 787-10 will definitely open up some new markets for EK, either directly or not. I assume that it'll have the new J of the 777X, and maybe the new F? Is W still in talks or have they given up on that? It would definitely give them an edge over competitors.
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders

Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:30 am

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Azerbayan to order 5 B787-8 and 2 B777F


Most likely they will be revealed not a new order im afraid

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