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Central American Aviation Thread - 2017 (3rd)

Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:48 am

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THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LXVIII

The Boeing 747 in Central America

Few accurate sources have been founded related to the history of the Jumbo Jet in Central America.
Perhaps Guatemala City was the first regional city featuring that plane in the 70s. It should be noted that GUA was a Pan Am base.
They got a legendary route into the LAX-GUA sector. It was briefly extended to SJO in 1976.
Eva Air also flew TPE-LAX-PTY 2x weekly with 744 from 1997 till 2001.
Multiple international delegations had utilized the 747 in Central America before: Australia, China, Saudi Arabia, the United States and so on. However, this is no more than an isolated fact. That plane was utilized for diplomatic, royalty and sport purposes.
If somebody here remember either one more fact or another regional route covered with the 747, please put your reply in order to enhance our Cent Am thread.
We are about to celebrate the 11th anniversary of the Cent Am aviation thread. Most fellows are steadily contributing since the first edition edited in December 2006.
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Edited on November 22nd, 2017.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2017 (3rd)

Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:52 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
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THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LXVIII

The Boeing 747 in Central America

Few accurate sources have been founded related to the history of the Jumbo Jet in Central America.
Perhaps Guatemala City was the first regional city featuring that plane in the 70s. It should be noted that GUA was a Pan Am base.
They got a legendary route into the LAX-GUA sector. It was briefly extended to SJO in 1976.
Eva Air also flew TPE-LAX-PTY 2x weekly with 744 from 1997 till 2001.
Multiple international delegations had utilized the 747 in Central America before: Australia, China, Saudi Arabia, the United States and so on. However, this is no more than an isolated fact. That plane was utilized for diplomatic, royalty and sport purposes.
If somebody here remember either one more fact or another regional route covered with the 747, please put your reply in order to enhance our Cent Am thread.
We are about to celebrate the 11th anniversary of the Cent Am aviation thread. Most fellows are steadily contributing since the first edition edited in December 2006.
We would kindly give a special welcome to all the new posters who have recently joined to the board.
Many readers are most likely browsing this thread every day. Come on and join us !
Thank you very much to all for the replies ! This site is entirely yours ! Eleven years, 68 editions and counting…

Edited on November 22nd, 2017.

Pan Am 747 LAX-GUA also had tag-on to PTY several days per week,
Briefly Pan Am also flew MIA-PTY w/ B747.
Other than Pan Am B747 in PTY must confirm if AR ever flew it to PTY, but it seems KL did fly it at least once to PTY when its MD11 got mechanical issues and it had stranded passengers for days.
BR stopped TPE-LAX-PTY B747 combi as soon as CM started PTY-LAX. It was years ago, so it's pure speculation if BR could have continued PTY via SFO or another of its U.S. destinations. Remember, at that time U.S. still had TWOV.
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Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:04 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
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THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LXVIII

The Boeing 747 in Central America

Few accurate sources have been founded related to the history of the Jumbo Jet in Central America.
Perhaps Guatemala City was the first regional city featuring that plane in the 70s. It should be noted that GUA was a Pan Am base.
They got a legendary route into the LAX-GUA sector. It was briefly extended to SJO in 1976.
Eva Air also flew TPE-LAX-PTY 2x weekly with 744 from 1997 till 2001.
Multiple international delegations had utilized the 747 in Central America before: Australia, China, Saudi Arabia, the United States and so on. However, this is no more than an isolated fact. That plane was utilized for diplomatic, royalty and sport purposes.
If somebody here remember either one more fact or another regional route covered with the 747, please put your reply in order to enhance our Cent Am thread.
We are about to celebrate the 11th anniversary of the Cent Am aviation thread. Most fellows are steadily contributing since the first edition edited in December 2006.
We would kindly give a special welcome to all the new posters who have recently joined to the board.
Many readers are most likely browsing this thread every day. Come on and join us !
Thank you very much to all for the replies ! This site is entirely yours ! Eleven years, 68 editions and counting…

Edited on November 22nd, 2017.


There was also, for a good number of years, the KL 747 with the route GUA - MEX - AMS; I remember seeing the standard 747 and the KLM Asia versions.
Today the only 747 that GUA gets on a regular basis is KL Cargo (Martin Air) and the seasonal Wamos.
nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
 
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Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:17 pm

SAP has received the 747 several times in both PAX and Cargo services, but not on regular basis.
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Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:22 am

This picture from GUA was probably taken in the 70s.
It's featuring the Pan Am 747 as well as multiple 707s.

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Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:03 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
This picture from GUA was probably taken in the 70s.
It's featuring the Pan Am 747 as well as multiple 707s.

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B747 from LAX-SFO
B707 from IAH-MEX, MIA and JFK-IAD
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Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:56 pm

That picture from GUA is indeed impressing... All those four-holers on a Central American Airport.

Some of them had continuing service to SAL, SAP, MGA and SJO.
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Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:09 pm

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B747 from LAX-SFO
B707 from IAH-MEX, MIA and JFK-IAD

As far as I know, Chicago Midway was also served from Guatemala City on Pan Am 707.
Can't find any source to prove it yet.

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Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:01 pm

interesting that it took range wise a 747 what can now be done easily on a 737. how times change.
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:00 pm

a couple of notes from Panama this week:
Colon is opening operations with Taeca Cargo using an Antonov An-26B: :bouncy:
https://www.prensa.com/economia/Despega ... 59747.html

CM signed off a deal with employees: :checkmark:
https://www.prensa.com/economia/Copa-Ai ... 59797.html
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CM signed off a deal with employees: :checkmark:
https://www.prensa.com/economia/Copa-Ai ... 59797.html
That should ease my concerns a bit, because I'm thinking of spending an extended weekend in Panama City or Mexico City early next year. And if I go to Panama, my first choice is CM.
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:27 pm

copa330200 wrote:
a couple of notes from Panama this week:
Colon is opening operations with Taeca Cargo using an Antonov An-26B: :bouncy:
https://www.prensa.com/economia/Despega ... 59747.html


I wonder how long this will last. Cargo airlines tend to fail in Panama, but the only difference is that this is a Colombian airline masked as a Panamanian one.
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Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:27 am

Just a quick question to this forum moderator, why are we still creating different Central American threads.
Just keep one call "Central American Aviation Thread" their could be hundreds of pages now, not like the old forum.

Just my 2 cents

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Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:42 am

List of 747 that have been in GUA

Pan American 747-100 (Regular pax flights)
Alitalia 747-200 (Special flight operated for KLM)
Iberia 747-200 (Earthquake help in 1976 and sometime replace the DC10 in the 80s)
Malaysia Airlines 747-400 (It came to pick up some refugees)
KLM 747-400 (Regular pax flights)
KLM 747-400 Combi (Regular pax flights)
Qantas 747-400 (Around the world Charter)
China Airlines 747-400 (President of Taiwan)
Asiana 747-400 (President of North Korea and Olympic personal of North Korea)
Eva Air 747-400 (President of Taiwan)
Korean Air 747-400 (President of North Korea)

USAF VC-25A 747-200B (Presidente de Estados Unidos. Clinton y Bush Hijo)

GIRjet 747-200F
Pan Am Cargo 747-200F
Tradewinds 747-200F
SouthernAir 747-200SUDF
SouthernAir 747-300F
Cargolux 747-400F
AtlasAir 747-400F
CenturionCargo 747-400F
CenturionCargo 747-400BCF
Kalitta 747-400BCF
MartinAir 747-400BCF
KLM 747-400F
Air France 747-400F
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Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:47 am

juanchito wrote:
why are we still creating different Central American threads.

Each usually ends up once the 200 mark has been completed.
The new rules have indicated a different title designator as shown.
Anyways, I'll send a message to the moderators, in order to clarifiy this issue.




More information concerning to the expansion plans of Copa Airlines in the United States:
Panama City - Boston: 7x to 11x weekly. Effective: February 02nd.
Panama City - Chicago O’Hare: 14x to 18x weekly. Effective: June 08th.
Panama City - Tampa: 4x to 7x weekly. Effective: July 13th.

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Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:00 am

New orders:

Nature Air Costa Rica: 3 Cessna Grand Caravan + 2 De Havilland Twin Otter
Sansa Costa Rica: 2 Cessna Grand Caravan 208B EX

5C SJO-DAV is due to start on December 01st, as pointing out before.

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Can 747s land at MGA? Their runway is somewhere in the 8,000s. I know they can't land at TGU.
 
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:09 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
This picture from GUA was probably taken in the 70s.
It's featuring the Pan Am 747 as well as multiple 707s.

Image

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No longer a link there...can you repost? I'm quite impressed with Pan Am's presence in Central America in the 70s.

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Can 747s land at MGA? Their runway is somewhere in the 8,000s. I know they can't land at TGU.
I wouldn't worry about that. If 747s can safely land at SXM, with a 7,708 ft long runway, then they can certainly land on the slightly longer runway that MGA has (which is 8,012 ft). I'd worry more about taking off MGA. A takeoff at MTOW is definitely not possible, there will be weight restrictions for 747s departing MGA, just as it's the case in SXM.
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:25 pm

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N292UX wrote:
Can 747s land at MGA? Their runway is somewhere in the 8,000s. I know they can't land at TGU.
I wouldn't worry about that. If 747s can safely land at SXM, with a 7,708 ft long runway, then they can certainly land on the slightly longer runway that MGA has (which is 8,012 ft). I'd worry more about taking off MGA. A takeoff at MTOW is definitely not possible, there will be weight restrictions for 747s departing MGA, just as it's the case in SXM.


I'm wondering how IB is gonna make MAD-GUA-MGA work with the limitations that both Centam runways have.
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:21 pm

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LTU932 wrote:
N292UX wrote:
Can 747s land at MGA? Their runway is somewhere in the 8,000s. I know they can't land at TGU.
I wouldn't worry about that. If 747s can safely land at SXM, with a 7,708 ft long runway, then they can certainly land on the slightly longer runway that MGA has (which is 8,012 ft). I'd worry more about taking off MGA. A takeoff at MTOW is definitely not possible, there will be weight restrictions for 747s departing MGA, just as it's the case in SXM.


I'm wondering how IB is gonna make MAD-GUA-MGA work with the limitations that both Centam runways have.


Probably MGA's take off is not as steep as SXM's as there is no mountainous terrain on the take off patterns. And beside's if think they're using A330s to GUA and MGA.
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:39 pm

Just thought I would try my luck in getting an answer here...

I heard that CM was in Barbados this month looking to finally start a PTY-BGI service. It has been discussed since 2006 and our government has had meetings in Panama most recently in 2011.

Now that AV can no longer provide the BOG-BGI flight that was running since December 2015 (and was reported to have been doing well!) due to not being able to overfly Venezuela, it seems that this is a good opportunity for CM to FINALLY start... there IS a demand! What with all the new aircraft orders and T2 soon to open, there must be a desire for CM to continue to expand.

I feel for St. Maarten and Puerto Rico and the destruction that they both faced due to hurricanes, but I cannot understand how CM can maintain flights to SJU and SXM until the infrastructures are restored...

So, does anyone in this thread have any information about CM starting BGI?
 
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:24 pm

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aer wrote:
LTU932 wrote:
I wouldn't worry about that. If 747s can safely land at SXM, with a 7,708 ft long runway, then they can certainly land on the slightly longer runway that MGA has (which is 8,012 ft). I'd worry more about taking off MGA. A takeoff at MTOW is definitely not possible, there will be weight restrictions for 747s departing MGA, just as it's the case in SXM.


I'm wondering how IB is gonna make MAD-GUA-MGA work with the limitations that both Centam runways have.


Probably MGA's take off is not as steep as SXM's as there is no mountainous terrain on the take off patterns. And beside's if think they're using A330s to GUA and MGA.
Even so, there will be weight restrictions. MGA-MAD may be doable for an A330, but at 4,602 nm, it's nearly 1,000 nm longer than SXM-CDG (3,643 nm). Distances are from the Great Circle Mapper. So I wouldn't rule out the occasional unscheduled tech stop, unless they reroute MAD-GUA-MGA-MAD into MAD-MGA-GUA-MAD.
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:26 am

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unless they reroute MAD-GUA-MGA-MAD into MAD-MGA-GUA-MAD.

As far as I know, the segment GUA-MAD is unfeasible for non-stop flights fully packed.
GUA has two issues: the short runway and the altitude of the airport. The existence of IB MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD alleviated these troubles for Guatemala City.
IB operated in the past in Managua during the DC-10 era, but I think it wasn't a non-stop flight towards Spain.

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Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:50 pm

A few sites have posted that Air Panama is planning to operate an Airbus A330-200 to Europe, and one as well posted that they are looking to operate to Dominican Republic and Cuba. Now another sites posted this:

The aeronautical advisory Twenty Air Consulting and Wingtips Solutions created by the founder of Air Europa, Tomas Cano has had a great acceptance throughout Central America getting contracts with Air Panama, company that has commissioned the Expansion in Europe, are currently developing and finalizing conversations with two other companies in Latin America.
...
Tomas Cano has been General Director of Hispania, Air Europa, Centennial, Air Madrid. Currently its base of operations is in Panama, although it has offices in London, Madrid, and Santiago de Chile

http://www.reportur.com/colombia/2017/0 ... s-latinas/

Air Panama's largest aircraft is the Fokker 100. They tried having a Boeing 737-300 but that didn't last long. Recently one of their F100s got grounded in DAV for quite some time while they tried to repair an engine, and now they jump into a A332 and plan operations to Europe? It all seems like a joke.
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Volaris Costa Rica is planning three new routes in 2018:

Q6 SJO-MIA
Q6 SJO-LAX
Q6 SJO-NYC

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I have read that this will make a stop in SAL or GUA

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Volaris Costa Rica is planning three new routes in 2018:

Q6 SJO-MIA
Q6 SJO-LAX
Q6 SJO-NYC

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No longer a link there...can you repost?

I just did a google exercise and found this photo.
The picture fits to the configuration of the old terminal at GUA.

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Volaris Costa Rica is planning three new routes in 2018:

Q6 SJO-MIA
Q6 SJO-LAX
Q6 SJO-NYC

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Awesome routes! What other US routes do you think they are planning?
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Volaris Costa Rica is planning three new routes in 2018:

Q6 SJO-MIA
Q6 SJO-LAX
Q6 SJO-NYC

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For NYC, are they going to JFK, or outside of New York to EWR? I don't think they'll fly to LGA, so I'd rule LGA out.
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Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:54 pm

The information about the new US routes of Volaris Costa Rica was posted in local media on December 01st. No info yet concerning to the airport in New York City where they're planning to fly later.
I don't want to speculate about other potential US airports for Q6.

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Just thought I would try my luck in getting an answer here...

I heard that CM was in Barbados this month looking to finally start a PTY-BGI service. It has been discussed since 2006 and our government has had meetings in Panama most recently in 2011.

Now that AV can no longer provide the BOG-BGI flight that was running since December 2015 (and was reported to have been doing well!) due to not being able to overfly Venezuela, it seems that this is a good opportunity for CM to FINALLY start... there IS a demand! What with all the new aircraft orders and T2 soon to open, there must be a desire for CM to continue to expand.

I feel for St. Maarten and Puerto Rico and the destruction that they both faced due to hurricanes, but I cannot understand how CM can maintain flights to SJU and SXM until the infrastructures are restored...

So, does anyone in this thread have any information about CM starting BGI?


Don't know about BGI, but I read a recent article that they're interested in FDF, PAP, UVF. Something to do with their large creole diasporas. I haven't the link with me now though.
 
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The information about the new US routes of Volaris Costa Rica was posted in local media on December 01st.

One more point: even Los Angeles is not a large market for San Jose and we already have two carriers offering non-stop services: Delta and Alaska.
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Volaris Costa Rica is planning three new routes in 2018:

Q6 SJO-MIA
Q6 SJO-LAX
Q6 SJO-NYC

Regards.

Is it me, or these guys are avoiding and ignoring PTY?
PTY/BLB is ripe,ready and eager for new competition. If they can make transfers available at SJO, they'll stimulate demand.
I'm sick & tired of CM outrageous fares to fly intra CentAm (or anywhere from PTY)
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SJOtoLIR wrote:
Volaris Costa Rica is planning three new routes in 2018:

Q6 SJO-MIA
Q6 SJO-LAX
Q6 SJO-NYC

Regards.
For NYC, are they going to JFK, or outside of New York to EWR? I don't think they'll fly to LGA, so I'd rule LGA out.


LGA has the perimeter restriction so they can't fly there. I'd guess JFK as Volarís already flies there.
 
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Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:31 pm

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Just thought I would try my luck in getting an answer here...

I heard that CM was in Barbados this month looking to finally start a PTY-BGI service. It has been discussed since 2006 and our government has had meetings in Panama most recently in 2011.

Now that AV can no longer provide the BOG-BGI flight that was running since December 2015 (and was reported to have been doing well!) due to not being able to overfly Venezuela, it seems that this is a good opportunity for CM to FINALLY start... there IS a demand! What with all the new aircraft orders and T2 soon to open, there must be a desire for CM to continue to expand.

I feel for St. Maarten and Puerto Rico and the destruction that they both faced due to hurricanes, but I cannot understand how CM can maintain flights to SJU and SXM until the infrastructures are restored...

So, does anyone in this thread have any information about CM starting BGI?

I wish I had heard rumours, but nothing yet.
After CM dropped IQT (never knew how to market it properly), PBC (wrong airport for secondary airport for Mexico City) and VSA (expected oil business traffic went down with oil prices) CM has been cautious about opening non-traditional destinations.
Sadly adding to the network islands like BGI, PBM, GCM, UVF; cities like AQP, SSA, CWB, SLA or extra frequencies to KIN, BZE, GEO, CIX.. fall under that category.
Example if loads to GEO/POS are not promising, PBM and BGI/UVF won't be considered next priority destinations.
My recommendation re: CM PTY-BGI: "miracles will happen".
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Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:48 pm

Re: BGI IMHO it is all about risk versus more known opportunities elsewhere.

I don’t think it would be a miracle but it’s probably at lot lower on the list than say extra frequencies to existing ejet destinations. This is the question for BGI. How do you fill 95 seats a week? Can business traffic to Panama and a few tourists from S. America sustain what would be a 3 hour flight at decent yields?Thats a hard case to make when BGIs ties are closer to Europe than they are to Latin America and there are large cities in the region that still don’t have CM service (MID for example at over 1 million)
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2017 (3rd)

Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:12 pm

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LGA has the perimeter restriction so they can't fly there. I'd guess JFK as Volarís already flies there.
I know about the perimeter restrictions, hence why I said I'd rule out LGA. Even if LGA had no perimeter restriction (and I'm sure there are people who want to get rid of it, like they're trying with DAL and probably also DCA), I'd still rule out LGA. And if Q6 already flies to JFK, it would definitely make sense that they fly there instead of opening up EWR.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2017 (3rd)

Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:31 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Volaris Costa Rica is planning three new routes in 2018:

Q6 SJO-MIA
Q6 SJO-LAX
Q6 SJO-NYC

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Would not be surprised if the same applied to GUA. Some days of the week the routes are flown by GUA and on other days from SJO. That is the case with TIJ and MEX.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2017 (3rd)

Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:48 pm

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Some days of the week the routes are flown by GUA and on other days from SJO. That is the case with TIJ and MEX.

I'm still puzzeled about the intended Q6 SJO-LAX, whereas in Guatemala City and San Salvador the service is rather focused as Q6 SAL-GUA-TIJ, being both SAL and GUA larger markets toward Los Angeles metropolitan area, as compared to SJO. :confused:

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2017 (3rd)

Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:23 pm

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AASAP777 wrote:
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I'm wondering how IB is gonna make MAD-GUA-MGA work with the limitations that both Centam runways have.


Probably MGA's take off is not as steep as SXM's as there is no mountainous terrain on the take off patterns. And beside's if think they're using A330s to GUA and MGA.
Even so, there will be weight restrictions. MGA-MAD may be doable for an A330, but at 4,602 nm, it's nearly 1,000 nm longer than SXM-CDG (3,643 nm). Distances are from the Great Circle Mapper. So I wouldn't rule out the occasional unscheduled tech stop, unless they reroute MAD-GUA-MGA-MAD into MAD-MGA-GUA-MAD.


Do you think that UX is forcing the A330 with MAD-SAP-MAD? So far, it hasn't made any unscheduled stops. UX has used both A332 and A333.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2017 (3rd)

Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:54 am

AASAP777 wrote:
LTU932 wrote:
AASAP777 wrote:

Probably MGA's take off is not as steep as SXM's as there is no mountainous terrain on the take off patterns. And beside's if think they're using A330s to GUA and MGA.
Even so, there will be weight restrictions. MGA-MAD may be doable for an A330, but at 4,602 nm, it's nearly 1,000 nm longer than SXM-CDG (3,643 nm). Distances are from the Great Circle Mapper. So I wouldn't rule out the occasional unscheduled tech stop, unless they reroute MAD-GUA-MGA-MAD into MAD-MGA-GUA-MAD.


Do you think that UX is forcing the A330 with MAD-SAP-MAD? So far, it hasn't made any unscheduled stops. UX has used both A332 and A333.


He is talking about MGA-MAD not SAP-MAD

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2017 (3rd)

Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:51 pm

juanchito wrote:
AASAP777 wrote:
LTU932 wrote:
Even so, there will be weight restrictions. MGA-MAD may be doable for an A330, but at 4,602 nm, it's nearly 1,000 nm longer than SXM-CDG (3,643 nm). Distances are from the Great Circle Mapper. So I wouldn't rule out the occasional unscheduled tech stop, unless they reroute MAD-GUA-MGA-MAD into MAD-MGA-GUA-MAD.


Do you think that UX is forcing the A330 with MAD-SAP-MAD? So far, it hasn't made any unscheduled stops. UX has used both A332 and A333.


He is talking about MGA-MAD not SAP-MAD

Juanchito


Sure, but range-wise, they're kind of similar distances. That's why if UX's A330's are stretching at max on that route.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2017 (3rd)

Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:42 pm

AASAP777 wrote:
juanchito wrote:
AASAP777 wrote:

Do you think that UX is forcing the A330 with MAD-SAP-MAD? So far, it hasn't made any unscheduled stops. UX has used both A332 and A333.


He is talking about MGA-MAD not SAP-MAD

Juanchito


Sure, but range-wise, they're kind of similar distances. That's why if UX's A330's are stretching at max on that route.


A330 can do SAP-MAD any day it has a 9206 ft length runway and MGA has a 8012 ft length runway it could be restricted.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2017 (3rd)

Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:30 pm

juanchito wrote:
AASAP777 wrote:
Sure, but range-wise, they're kind of similar distances. That's why if UX's A330's are stretching at max on that route.


A330 can do SAP-MAD any day it has a 9206 ft length runway and MGA has a 8012 ft length runway it could be restricted.

Juanchito
Exactly my point. I also compared MGA-MAD with SXM-CDG because of the runway length and distance as well. And while SXM-CDG is doable on an A330/A340 nonstop and maybe minimal restrictions at best, I sincerely doubt a nonstop MGA-MAD is doable without major restrictions at worst or an intermediate stop. Which is why I suggested to route the flight to MAD via GUA. Then again (and I didn't suggest that earlier), maybe even do a tech stop in SJO/LIR (though Costa Rica requires visas from Nicaraguans and I don't know if they'd need transit visas for a SJO/LIR tech stop as well) or PTY.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2017 (3rd)

Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:18 pm

From the top of my mind:
On the DC-10 era on Iberia, they used to fly to Managua in such equipment.
However, it wasn't a non-stop flight to Spain; via SJU or SDQ, if I remember correctly.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2017 (3rd)

Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:04 am

Flashback.

Some pics from Iberia in Central America:





1998. Guatemala City. DC-9.





2001. Panama City. Airbus 319
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2017 (3rd)

Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:20 pm

[quote="SJOtoLIR"]Flashback.

Some pics from Iberia in Central America:


Cool photos. I remember seeing the MD-87 at SAL in the late 90's. However, I don't recall which routes it flew? (Did it only transport passengers to MIA / how did Iberia operate in Central America back in the day / anyone knows?)
 
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Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:52 pm

IB had DC9s/319s flying MIA-SAP/PTY/GUA/SJO/SAL and MGA IIRC. They were timed to connect to / from MIA-MAD flights. The change of the intransitive procedures put an end to these flights

As we look back must have been horrible utilization on those aircraft and probably never made any money
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2017 (3rd)

Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:33 pm

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The change of the intransitive procedures put an end to these flights

Agreed.
The lack of US immigration procedures before September 2001 allowed to connect easily these narrow-bodies from Central America to Madrid through MIA and vice versa.
I think Santo Domingo also operated as a transferred center between Spain and Central America on Iberia.

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