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OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:28 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

WHERE ARE SEATS SHOWN?
They aren't. This only shows departures.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

7H BET-GNU JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.8 AUG 0>0.9
7H GNU-PTU JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.8 AUG 0>0.9

8V AKP-FAI JAN 1.5>0.7 FEB 1.4>0.7 MAR 1.4>0.7 APR 1.4>0.7 MAY 1.5>0.7 JUN 1.4>0.7 JUL 1.4>0.7 AUG 1.5>0.7

9K ACK-BOS APR 7>9

AA BOS-PIT MAR 3>1.7
AA BOS-ROC MAR 3>1.5
AA CLT-AGS MAR 6>7
AA CLT-AVL MAR 7>5
Ran only weekends this last Summer
*AA CLT-BGR JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AA CLT-BHM MAR 8>6
AA CLT-CHA MAR 6>5
AA CLT-DTW MAR 8>7
AA CLT-FAY MAR 6>5
AA CLT-GSO MAR 9>8
AA CLT-HPN MAR 4>3
AA CLT-HSV MAR 5>4
AA CLT-IAD MAR 8>7
AA CLT-IAH MAR 7>6
AA CLT-IND MAR 9>8
AA CLT-LEX MAR 6>5
AA CLT-LGA MAR 13>12
AA CLT-LYH MAR 6>5
AA CLT-MEM MAR 7>6
AA CLT-MOB MAR 4>3
AA CLT-MYR MAR 8>7
AA CLT-OAJ MAR 7>6
AA CLT-ORF MAR 8>7
AA CLT-PHF MAR 6>5
AA CLT-POP MAR 0.9>0.8
AA CLT-PVD MAR 5>4
AA CLT-ROA MAR 7>6
AA CLT-RSW MAR 5>6
AA CLT-SAV MAR 9>8
AA CLT-SDF MAR 8>7
AA CLT-SFO MAR 6>4
*AA CLT-SJC MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AA CLT-SRQ MAR 4>5
AA CLT-TRI MAR 5>4
AA CLT-TYS MAR 7>6
AA CVG-LGA MAR 3>1.8
*AA DCA-ACK JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7
AA DCA-BDL MAR 6>7
AA DCA-BGR MAR 3>1.8
AA DCA-CAE MAR 3>4
*AA DCA-MVY JUL 0>1.3 AUG 0>1.3
AA DCA-ORF MAR 3>4
AA DCA-ROC MAR 3>4
AA DCA-SDF MAR 4>3
AA DCA-STL MAR 5>4
AA DFW-ABI MAR 6>5
AA DFW-ACT MAR 5>4
AA DFW-BOS MAR 8>7
AA DFW-BWI MAR 4>3
AA DFW-CMH MAR 5>4
AA DFW-CMI MAR 1.1>1.8
AA DFW-DAY MAR 4>3
AA DFW-DTW MAR 6>5
AA DFW-EWR MAR 5>4
AA DFW-MCO MAR 9>11
AA DFW-MSP MAR 6>5
AA DFW-MZT MAR 1.0>1.2
**AA DFW-OAK APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AA DFW-OMA MAR 5>4
AA DFW-PNS MAR 5>4
AA DFW-RDU MAR 5>6
AA DFW-RIC MAR 3>2
AA DFW-SEA MAR 9>7
AA DFW-SHV MAR 7>6
AA DFW-SJC MAR 5>4
AA DFW-SJT MAR 3>4
AA DFW-TPA MAR 7>6
AA DFW-TUS MAR 6>7
*AA DFW-TVC JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
AA DFW-TYR MAR 5>4
AA JFK-DFW MAR 1.9>1.0
AA LAX-BOS MAR 6>5
AA LAX-DEN MAR 4>3
AA LAX-DFW MAR 14>13
AA LAX-FAT MAR 4>3
AA LAX-IAD MAR 1.9>1.0
AA LAX-RDU MAR 1.0>0.7
AA LAX-SJC MAR 6>5
AA LAX-TUS MAR 3>2
AA LAX-YYZ MAR 1.0>0.7
AA MIA-DFW MAR 11>10
AA ORD-ATL MAR 6>5
AA ORD-AUS MAR 4>3
AA ORD-AZO MAR 3>2
AA ORD-BDL MAR 4>3
AA ORD-BMI MAR 3>1.8
AA ORD-BNA MAR 9>8
AA ORD-BOS MAR 9>8
AA ORD-CHO MAR 3>2
**AA ORD-CHS MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AA ORD-CMI MAR 6>5
AA ORD-DAY MAR 5>4
AA ORD-DCA MAR 9>8
AA ORD-DFW MAR 14>13
AA ORD-ELP MAR 1.9>1.0
AA ORD-EVV MAR 3>1.8
AA ORD-EWR MAR 7>5
AA ORD-FLL MAR 4>3
AA ORD-FWA MAR 4>3
AA ORD-GSO MAR 3>2
AA ORD-GSP MAR 3>1.8
AA ORD-ICT MAR 4>3
AA ORD-LAN MAR 3>2.0
AA ORD-LEX MAR 3>1.8
AA ORD-MIA MAR 10>11
AA ORD-MKE MAR 5>4
AA ORD-MSP MAR 7>6
AA ORD-MSY MAR 3>1.9
AA ORD-PIA MAR 3>1.8
AA ORD-PIT MAR 6>5
AA ORD-SAN MAR 5>3
AA ORD-SFO MAR 6>5
AA ORD-SJC MAR 1.9>1.0
AA ORD-TUL MAR 3>1.8
AA ORD-XNA MAR 5>4
AA ORD-YYZ MAR 6>5
AA PHL-ABE MAR 3>2
AA PHL-ALB MAR 6>5
AA PHL-AVP MAR 4>3
AA PHL-BOS MAR 11>10
AA PHL-BTV MAR 6>5
AA PHL-BUF MAR 6>5
AA PHL-BWI MAR 3>1.0
AA PHL-CAE MAR 3>2
AA PHL-CHO MAR 3>1.9
AA PHL-CVG MAR 6>5
AA PHL-DEN MAR 3>1.6
AA PHL-GSP MAR 4>3
AA PHL-IPT MAR 3>2
AA PHL-ISP MAR 3>2
AA PHL-LAS MAR 4>3
AA PHL-MDT MAR 6>5
AA PHL-MKE MAR 5>3
AA PHL-MSP MAR 4>1.8
AA PHL-ORD MAR 8>7
AA PHL-PBI MAR 3>4
*AA PHL-PDX JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AA PHL-PHF MAR 3>2
AA PHL-PWM MAR 6>5
AA PHL-RDU MAR 8>6
AA PHL-RSW MAR 3>5
AA PHL-SAN MAR 3>1.9
AA PHL-SCE MAR 5>4
AA PHL-SDF MAR 3>1.8
AA PHL-SEA MAR 4>1.0
AA PHL-SFO MAR 5>3
*AA PHL-SLC JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AA PHL-STL MAR 5>4
AA PHL-SWF MAR 3>2
*AA PHL-YQB JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AA PHL-YUL MAR 6>4
**AA PHX-AMA APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AA PHX-ATL MAR 2.0>3
AA PHX-BOI MAR 4>5
AA PHX-BUR MAR 5>3
AA PHX-DFW MAR 11>12
AA PHX-DRO MAR 3>2
AA PHX-EUG MAR 1.1>2
AA PHX-GEG MAR 1.1>2
AA PHX-HNL JUL 3>2
AA PHX-IAH MAR 4>5
AA PHX-IND MAR 2>4
*AA PHX-JAC JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
AA PHX-MCO MAR 3>4
AA PHX-MEM MAR 1.1>1.8
**AA PHX-OKC APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AA PHX-PDX MAR 5>6
AA PHX-PSP MAR 6>5
AA PHX-RNO MAR 4>5
AA PHX-SBA MAR 5>4
AA PHX-SFO MAR 5>6
AA PHX-STS MAR 1.9>1.0
AA PHX-TPA MAR 3>4
AA PHX-YEG MAR 1.1>2
AA PHX-YVR MAR 1.1>2

AM DEN-MEX MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.5>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3 AUG 0.4>0.3
AM LAS-MEX APR 2>1.8 MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.9
AM MCO-MEX MAY 2>1.8

AV LAX-SAL JAN 4>3

AY ORD-HEL APR 0.3>0.4

BW JFK-GEO JAN 1.3>1.5 FEB 1.3>1.4

CI JFK-TPE APR 0.7>0.6 MAY 0.7>0.5 JUN 0.7>0.6 JUL 0.7>0.6 AUG 0.7>0.6

CM TPA-PTY JUL 0.6>0.8 AUG 0.6>1.0

DL ATL-AUS MAR 8>7
DL ATL-BNA APR 11>10
DL ATL-ORD MAY 11>12
DL ATL-PBI MAY 11>12
DL DTW-BDL AUG 5>4
DL DTW-CAK APR 4>3
DL DTW-PLN JUL 4>3
DL DTW-RDU APR 5>4
DL FNT-MSP MAY 3>2
DL LAX-SMF JUL 6>5
DL SLC-AUS MAR 2>3 APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.8>3 JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.9>3
DL SLC-PVR APR 0.3>0.5 MAY 0.3>0.4 JUN 0.3>0.4 JUL 0.3>0.5 AUG 0.3>0.4
DL SLC-SJD APR 0.7>0.6 MAY 0.7>0.5 JUN 0.7>0.6 JUL 0.7>0.5 AUG 0.7>0.6

EW MIA-DUS MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.5
EW RSW-DUS MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.4

LO LAX-WAW APR 0.6>0.8 MAY 0.5>0.9 JUN 0.6>0.9 JUL 0.6>0.8 AUG 0.5>0.9
LO ORD-WAW APR 0.8>1.2 JUN 1.6>1.4

LY JFK-TLV MAR 1.7>1.8

NK ATL-FLL MAY 5>3
*NK FLL-RIC APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
*NK MCO-RIC APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0

OJ JFK-KIN APR 0.6>0.8 MAY 0.6>0.7 JUN 0.5>0.7 JUL 0.6>0.7

S4 BOS-PDL APR 1.3>1.1 MAY 1.3>1.1 JUN 1.7>1.2 JUL 1.7>1.1 AUG 1.7>1.0
S4 BOS-TER JUN 0.3>0.1 JUL 0.3>0.1 AUG 0.3>0.2

SV LAX-JED JAN 0.4>0.7
SV LAX-RUH JAN 0.3>0

*UA IAD-ILM APR 0>1.5 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2
UA LAX-LAS JAN 3>4
UA LBB-MHK JAN 0.1>0.0
UA MCI-MHK JAN 0.1>0.0
*UA ORD-ILM APR 0>1.5 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2
UA ORD-MKE MAR 8>9
UA ORD-TYS APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5

WN BWI-SJU JAN 3>1.9
*WN EWR-SJU FEB 0.1>0
WN FLL-IND MAR 2.0>3

WS SAN-YYC JUN 0.6>0.4 JUL 0.6>0.4
 
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:34 pm

enilria wrote:
AA PHX-IND MAR 2>4

Wow, that is a pretty big increase.....

enilria wrote:
WN FLL-IND MAR 2.0>3

I knew my eyes weren't deceiving me, seems like they have been adding more and more frequencies on this route for some reason, I think it was 1x daily when the schedule was first extended through march
enilria wrote:
AA BOS-PIT MAR 3>1.7
AA BOS-ROC MAR 3>1.5

More P2P cuts from AA....
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:38 pm

CM TPA-PTY JUL 0.6>0.8 AUG 0.6>1.0

This is welcome news. Slow but steady development -- along with LH moving to a higher J mainline configuration, TPA's international air service development is paying off.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:39 pm

nice adds by AA to connect more dots. Didnt realize NK was starting RIC either so that surprised me, knew about CMH but must have missed the RIC announcement.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:39 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
WN FLL-IND MAR 2.0>3



I knew my eyes weren't deceiving me, seems like they have been adding more and more frequencies on this route for some reason, I think it was 1x daily when the schedule was first extended through march

enilria wrote:
NK ATL-FLL MAY 5>3

Just as NK does an equally surprising cut on ATL to FLL.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:51 pm

axiom wrote:
CM TPA-PTY JUL 0.6>0.8 AUG 0.6>1.0

This is welcome news. Slow but steady development -- along with LH moving to a higher J mainline configuration, TPA's international air service development is paying off.

I was surprised. Seems like these passengers are primarily going to Orlando from what I deduce. Surprising they don't add more MCO.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:03 pm

enilria wrote:
axiom wrote:
CM TPA-PTY JUL 0.6>0.8 AUG 0.6>1.0

This is welcome news. Slow but steady development -- along with LH moving to a higher J mainline configuration, TPA's international air service development is paying off.

I was surprised. Seems like these passengers are primarily going to Orlando from what I deduce. Surprising they don't add more MCO.


What evidence do you have of that?

TPA and MCO are overlapping markets, but I would deduce that the opposite has happened historically, and that CM has been disciplined with TPA capacity so as to -not- dump cheap MCO-alternate fares in the market.

TPA is significantly larger and more diverse than TPA as a regional economy, and has a significant ethic population base in its own right. Not sure why a once daily toward Central/South America would surprise anyone. Seems about right for a market that is building new/expanded internatoonal links.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:03 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
AA PHX-IND MAR 2>4

Wow, that is a pretty big increase.....


A reaction to G4 service to the Phoenix area?
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:09 pm

enilria wrote:
FAQ
DL ATL-AUS MAR 8>7
DL ATL-BNA APR 11>10
DL ATL-ORD MAY 11>12
DL ATL-PBI MAY 11>12
DL DTW-BDL AUG 5>4
DL DTW-CAK APR 4>3
DL DTW-PLN JUL 4>3
DL DTW-RDU APR 5>4
DL FNT-MSP MAY 3>2
DL LAX-SMF JUL 6>5
DL SLC-AUS MAR 2>3 APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.8>3 JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.9>3
DL SLC-PVR APR 0.3>0.5 MAY 0.3>0.4 JUN 0.3>0.4 JUL 0.3>0.5 AUG 0.3>0.4
DL SLC-SJD APR 0.7>0.6 MAY 0.7>0.5 JUN 0.7>0.6 JUL 0.7>0.5 AUG 0.7>0.6


Commentary on the DL Changes:
DTW-BDL - this is an extension of the changes reflected in previous week's OAG as the route from a mix of DCI 76 seaters & mainline to all mainline in early 2018
DTW-CAK - this route typically operates at 3x CRJ most of the year as-is
DTW-PLN - this route is still showing 4x CRJ in July, so it could be some time of filing error. Route goes 2x CRJ during winter and peaks at 4x CRJ in summer. This is an EAS route but OO does add additional flights during peak summer and flies them "at-risk". I'm not sure on the exact specifics of this arrangement but sometime it reflects oddly in the OAG reports.
DTW-RDU - this is an extension of the changes reflected in previous week's OAG as the route from a mix of DCI 76 seaters & mainline to all mainline in early 2018

FNT-MSP - operates 1x-2x CRJ during most of the year, peaks at 3x CRJ during summer months. Will be interesting to see any DL service changes at FNT once WN leaves in June 2018

SLC-AUS - note that DL dropped a SEA-AUS flight as reported a few weeks ago and now adds a SLC-AUS, flights, appears to be a swap of a flight in this case
 
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:22 pm

Indy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
AA PHX-IND MAR 2>4

Wow, that is a pretty big increase.....


A reaction to G4 service to the Phoenix area?


Doubtful, G4 is only 2x weekly. That seems like a bit of overkill, I mean the AA IND-PHX LF last March was only around 90%... Although I am not complaining....
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:24 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
enilria wrote:
FAQ
DL ATL-AUS MAR 8>7
DL ATL-BNA APR 11>10
DL ATL-ORD MAY 11>12
DL ATL-PBI MAY 11>12
DL DTW-BDL AUG 5>4
DL DTW-CAK APR 4>3
DL DTW-PLN JUL 4>3
DL DTW-RDU APR 5>4
DL FNT-MSP MAY 3>2
DL LAX-SMF JUL 6>5
DL SLC-AUS MAR 2>3 APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.8>3 JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.9>3
DL SLC-PVR APR 0.3>0.5 MAY 0.3>0.4 JUN 0.3>0.4 JUL 0.3>0.5 AUG 0.3>0.4
DL SLC-SJD APR 0.7>0.6 MAY 0.7>0.5 JUN 0.7>0.6 JUL 0.7>0.5 AUG 0.7>0.6


Commentary on the DL Changes:
DTW-BDL - this is an extension of the changes reflected in previous week's OAG as the route from a mix of DCI 76 seaters & mainline to all mainline in early 2018
DTW-CAK - this route typically operates at 3x CRJ most of the year as-is
DTW-PLN - this route is still showing 4x CRJ in July, so it could be some time of filing error. Route goes 2x CRJ during winter and peaks at 4x CRJ in summer. This is an EAS route but OO does add additional flights during peak summer and flies them "at-risk". I'm not sure on the exact specifics of this arrangement but sometime it reflects oddly in the OAG reports.
DTW-RDU - this is an extension of the changes reflected in previous week's OAG as the route from a mix of DCI 76 seaters & mainline to all mainline in early 2018

FNT-MSP - operates 1x-2x CRJ during most of the year, peaks at 3x CRJ during summer months. Will be interesting to see any DL service changes at FNT once WN leaves in June 2018

SLC-AUS - note that DL dropped a SEA-AUS flight as reported a few weeks ago and now adds a SLC-AUS, flights, appears to be a swap of a flight in this case


Yes I agree we will see further reductions as there is less competition at FNT with WN now gone. Shame how WN and DL have destroyed the market in FNT soon it will be back to a couple of flights a day to ORD.
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:39 pm

FNT-MSP is just 2 flights until June, then 3. They are increasing capacity a few weeks later is all and WN will still be in the market in May 2018.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:23 pm

I’m assuming DFW OAK on AA will be mainline?
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:24 pm

chepos wrote:
I’m assuming DFW OAK on AA will be mainline?


Looks like an a320
 
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:51 pm

Indy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
AA PHX-IND MAR 2>4

Wow, that is a pretty big increase.....


A reaction to G4 service to the Phoenix area?

I don't believe so — G4 has had the AZA hub for a little over ten years now, and competed directly with US then AA on several routes for at least six or seven of those years, and I don't recall US/AA ever really responding to G4 service. They serve such different customer bases that their ops are reasonably independent of each other, not to mention that infrequent frequencies from G4 don't make much of an impact.

It's good to see some nice increases at PHX from AA. I've never understood why they've overlooked serving OKC when it could have easily been done with a CRJ7/CRJ9 for years. They really let that market go to WN for a long time. I realize increases like this are micro rather than macro, but I think it should further quell the belief from some that AA will dehub PHX. I've firmly believed for years that option was never on the table. Right-sizing yes, but never a full scale retreat. It's an extremely low cost, efficient hub in a city of five million people, and while it'll never be LAX, ORD, DFW, etc., it can still be a strong domestic hub in its own right.

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nice adds by AA to connect more dots. Didnt realize NK was starting RIC either so that surprised me, knew about CMH but must have missed the RIC announcement.

It was announced about a week and a half ago. It's a good snag for RIC, and it should pay off for NK. RIC-MCO/FLL has always had strong demand, and AirTran was successful for a number of years on those routes. WN pulled out on all except ATL after the merger for reasons unknown to many of us, but B6 has increased to both MCO and FLL from RIC over the years to fill the void. NK should do quite well.

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Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:59 pm

Indy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
AA PHX-IND MAR 2>4

Wow, that is a pretty big increase.....


A reaction to G4 service to the Phoenix area?


It looks like it is only 4 for 5 of the days in March. 3 most days. And it is 2 red eyes for those days with 4, with a 3rd that gets in after 1 am on the PHX-IND side.

848-1519
1850-111
2215-433 - getting in at 430 does not sound fun.
2340-558

I am not sure if there is something going on in PHX that week besides spring training. I noticed a few other routes that week go up a flight on the same days. March 15/16/17 and 22/23
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:24 pm

I know this has been brought up recently in a few threads but it appears AA is cutting more at ORD, in contrast to adding/expanding as stated by Parker as an objective of the "new" AA, to reclaim Chicago market share.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:30 pm

Thanks again for this weekly report

Good to see a lot of aa adds finally.

enilria wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
WN FLL-IND MAR 2.0>3



I knew my eyes weren't deceiving me, seems like they have been adding more and more frequencies on this route for some reason, I think it was 1x daily when the schedule was first extended through march

enilria wrote:
NK ATL-FLL MAY 5>3

Just as NK does an equally surprising cut on ATL to FLL.


Will have to wait to see what they do for summer month but right now June is still at 5 daily.

This may be a reaction to JetBlue entering the market who is running a lot of cheap fares to Caribbean out of atl through fll that may be taking customers away from spirit.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:40 pm

enilria wrote:

AA LAX-DEN MAR 4>3
AA PHL-DEN MAR 3>1.6


AA continues to cut DEN. MIA was downgraded to a A319 on one of it’s daily flights as well. How much deeper will the cuts go?
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:42 pm

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FNT-MSP is just 2 flights until June, then 3. They are increasing capacity a few weeks later is all and WN will still be in the market in May 2018.

Wasn't WN service from FNT primarily to Florida?
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:02 pm

ILS28ORD wrote:
I know this has been brought up recently in a few threads but it appears AA is cutting more at ORD, in contrast to adding/expanding as stated by Parker as an objective of the "new" AA, to reclaim Chicago market share.

It looks like AA basically had their summer schedule published and this brings it down. They are still up about 10% year on year, but that is obscured by the fact that these show up as reductions.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:03 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
Bobloblaw wrote:
FNT-MSP is just 2 flights until June, then 3. They are increasing capacity a few weeks later is all and WN will still be in the market in May 2018.

Wasn't WN service from FNT primarily to Florida?


No, is/was 3x to MDW w/ a seasonal TPA and MCO.



Seems as if vast majority of AA changes are cuts. Very few adds with all of these.
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:39 pm

**AA DFW-OAK APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0

OAK finally getting some AA love with a restart of DFW-OAK service. My guess is the new flight is with a single A319. Gosh! I remember AA have 4 to 5 nonstop/direct flights daily out of OAK using Maddogs and 727-200's.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:44 pm

Rdh3e wrote:
ILS28ORD wrote:
I know this has been brought up recently in a few threads but it appears AA is cutting more at ORD, in contrast to adding/expanding as stated by Parker as an objective of the "new" AA, to reclaim Chicago market share.

It looks like AA basically had their summer schedule published and this brings it down. They are still up about 10% year on year, but that is obscured by the fact that these show up as reductions.


That makes sense
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:46 pm

DL will not cut FNT completely, Since they've had FNT-ATL to themselves it has remained steady at 2-3 mainline daily. FNT-MSP is mostly high yield connections. NW was the ONLY airline to stay in FNT throughout. For awhile the only service at FNT was FL to ATL and NW to DTW, prior to ValuJet adding FNT that US served PIT. CO to CLE came in the mid 2000's along with AA to ORD (AA also briefly tried DFW in 2007). AA also flew to ORD on ATR's in the 90's (sometimes as a tag from LAN).

So to say that FNT will be "back to just ORD" is a complete misstatement of history. FNT's service has never been "just ORD".
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:52 pm

drdisque wrote:
DL will not cut FNT completely, Since they've had FNT-ATL to themselves it has remained steady at 2-3 mainline daily. FNT-MSP is mostly high yield connections. NW was the ONLY airline to stay in FNT throughout. For awhile the only service at FNT was FL to ATL and NW to DTW, prior to ValuJet adding FNT that US served PIT. CO to CLE came in the mid 2000's along with AA to ORD (AA also briefly tried DFW in 2007). AA also flew to ORD on ATR's in the 90's (sometimes as a tag from LAN).

So to say that FNT will be "back to just ORD" is a complete misstatement of history. FNT's service has never been "just ORD".



There was a time when the only flights to FNT were Midstate to ORD via MKG and Alleghany Commuter to DTW with both links being nothing larger than a 19 seat SWM and CS2 respectfully. Piedmont brought mainline back to FNT in the mid 80's so yes there was a time when there was VERY little in terms of flight operations at FNT
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:54 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
Bobloblaw wrote:
FNT-MSP is just 2 flights until June, then 3. They are increasing capacity a few weeks later is all and WN will still be in the market in May 2018.

Wasn't WN service from FNT primarily to Florida?


No it was to MDW they did not serve FNT to Florida as attractively as Airtran did.
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:32 pm

enilria wrote:
*AA CLT-SJC MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
*AA DCA-ACK JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7
*AA DCA-MVY JUL 0>1.3 AUG 0>1.3
*AA DFW-TVC JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
*AA PHL-PDX JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
*AA PHL-SLC JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
*AA PHL-YQB JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
*AA PHX-JAC JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0


I believe the above are all resumptions of previous summer-seasonal service. Maybe one or two at higher frequencies for S18, but overall pretty similar.

It's good to see PHX-OKC as that was a gaping hole in AA's PHX network. PHX-AMA makes sense too given that PHX-LBB and PHX-MAF were both started recently - they must be meeting or exceeding expectations. A return to DFW-OAK and new ORD-CHS service both seem like good adds as well. It seems like a matter of time before the BOS point-to-point flying is gone.
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:48 pm

axiom wrote:
What evidence do you have of that?

I know some employees from COPA and they told me that was the bulk of the inbound traffic.
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
SLC-AUS - note that DL dropped a SEA-AUS flight as reported a few weeks ago and now adds a SLC-AUS, flights, appears to be a swap of a flight in this case

Good catch. I remember a long time ago saying a successful SEA hub would steal traffic from SLC. That is a good example, although a small one, of that rolling back indicating SEA is not as successful as SLC in routes like this one.
klm617 wrote:
Yes I agree we will see further reductions as there is less competition at FNT with WN now gone. Shame how WN and DL have destroyed the market in FNT soon it will be back to a couple of flights a day to ORD.

I think they will probably keep one or two carriers to ORD and G4 will probably double service to about 2 flights per day. I think it will end up being a little bit bigger than TOL.

To go beyond that they will have to subsidize DL to stay because without WN there is not much reason to stay, although perhaps they keep MSP to compete with ORD but I think UA or AA leave in that scenario. Without WN traffic at FNT will nosedive as fares go up.
tphuang wrote:
Thanks again for this weekly report

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lavalampluva wrote:
Wasn't WN service from FNT primarily to Florida?

Most of the large O&Ds were always Florida, plus Vegas. Not markets AA/DL/UA will care much about, that's why I expect G4 to get a bit bigger and AA/DL/UA smaller.
mtnwest1979 wrote:
No, is/was 3x to MDW w/ a seasonal TPA and MCO.

The MDW was mostly connecting to Florida and LAS.
drdisque wrote:
DL will not cut FNT completely, Since they've had FNT-ATL to themselves it has remained steady at 2-3 mainline daily.

WN was carrying a lot of Florida and AA/UA carry a fare amount. As I said, I expect one of the mainline carriers will now leave. Might not be DL, but I do see DL shrinking.

FSDan wrote:
I believe the above are all resumptions of previous summer-seasonal service. Maybe one or two at higher frequencies for S18, but overall pretty similar.

The ones not in the thread title are just resumptions. CLT-BGR was just weekends before, but now daily so I put that one in.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:56 pm

enilria wrote:
UA LBB-MHK JAN 0.1>0.0
UA MCI-MHK JAN 0.1>0.0


Obviously a mistake, and easy to do, but what was this supposed to be? United doesn't serve MHK so I was curious if they are starting and this was meant to be ORD-MHK, DEN-MHK, or IAH-MHK
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:01 pm

One of the biggest holes left in PHX for AA is COS. COS and ICT were some of the first HP cities served from PHX.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:03 pm

loisencroach wrote:
enilria wrote:
UA LBB-MHK JAN 0.1>0.0
UA MCI-MHK JAN 0.1>0.0


Obviously a mistake, and easy to do, but what was this supposed to be? United doesn't serve MHK so I was curious if they are starting and this was meant to be ORD-MHK, DEN-MHK, or IAH-MHK

Probably college basketball charters.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:05 pm

loisencroach wrote:
enilria wrote:
UA LBB-MHK JAN 0.1>0.0
UA MCI-MHK JAN 0.1>0.0


Obviously a mistake, and easy to do, but what was this supposed to be? United doesn't serve MHK so I was curious if they are starting and this was meant to be ORD-MHK, DEN-MHK, or IAH-MHK


NCAA football charter for a Texas Tech-K State game. Then plane repo'd to MCI. Simple. However, ig you look at SkyWest route map for UA service, MHK is shown as is FT Collins, CO.
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:41 pm

enilria wrote:
axiom wrote:
What evidence do you have of that?

I know some employees from COPA and they told me that was the bulk of the inbound traffic.
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
SLC-AUS - note that DL dropped a SEA-AUS flight as reported a few weeks ago and now adds a SLC-AUS, flights, appears to be a swap of a flight in this case

Good catch. I remember a long time ago saying a successful SEA hub would steal traffic from SLC. That is a good example, although a small one, of that rolling back indicating SEA is not as successful as SLC in routes like this one.
klm617 wrote:
Yes I agree we will see further reductions as there is less competition at FNT with WN now gone. Shame how WN and DL have destroyed the market in FNT soon it will be back to a couple of flights a day to ORD.

I think they will probably keep one or two carriers to ORD and G4 will probably double service to about 2 flights per day. I think it will end up being a little bit bigger than TOL.

To go beyond that they will have to subsidize DL to stay because without WN there is not much reason to stay, although perhaps they keep MSP to compete with ORD but I think UA or AA leave in that scenario. Without WN traffic at FNT will nosedive as fares go up.
tphuang wrote:
Thanks again for this weekly report

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lavalampluva wrote:
Wasn't WN service from FNT primarily to Florida?

Most of the large O&Ds were always Florida, plus Vegas. Not markets AA/DL/UA will care much about, that's why I expect G4 to get a bit bigger and AA/DL/UA smaller.
mtnwest1979 wrote:
No, is/was 3x to MDW w/ a seasonal TPA and MCO.

The MDW was mostly connecting to Florida and LAS.
drdisque wrote:
DL will not cut FNT completely, Since they've had FNT-ATL to themselves it has remained steady at 2-3 mainline daily.

WN was carrying a lot of Florida and AA/UA carry a fare amount. As I said, I expect one of the mainline carriers will now leave. Might not be DL, but I do see DL shrinking.

FSDan wrote:
I believe the above are all resumptions of previous summer-seasonal service. Maybe one or two at higher frequencies for S18, but overall pretty similar.

The ones not in the thread title are just resumptions. CLT-BGR was just weekends before, but now daily so I put that one in.



The problem with Allegiant at FNT is that the service to Florida is less than daily and to secondary airports. So for those going to Disney SFB is less than desirable than MCO. What made Airtran successful is the fact that the service was daily and to the primary airports. I suspect that DL will now go all RJ by this time next year at FNT.
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Midwestindy wrote:
I knew my eyes weren't deceiving me, seems like they have been adding more and more frequencies on this route for some reason, I think it was 1x daily when the schedule was first extended through march
enilria wrote:
AA BOS-PIT MAR 3>1.7
AA BOS-ROC MAR 3>1.5

More P2P cuts from AA....


Overall 6 daily cuts in March from BOS. Spring break among the 200,000 college students and profs in/around Boston usually drives up traffic in March. While BOS-PIT/ROC seems to be on pace for a slow death by AA, I find it more interesting to see cuts to hubs (PHL/ORD/DFW/LAX all lost a frequency). Also AA seems to be okay with B6 competition at 5/6 round trips on the PHL route given their decision to cut this route to 10 flights. At one point a few years ago USAir was running between 17-20 flights/day on this route with quasi-shuttle "Fast Track" enhanced service with priority security, etc.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:59 pm

N717TW wrote:
Overall 6 daily cuts in March from BOS. Spring break among the 200,000 college students and profs in/around Boston usually drives up traffic in March. While BOS-PIT/ROC seems to be on pace for a slow death by AA, I find it more interesting to see cuts to hubs (PHL/ORD/DFW/LAX all lost a frequency). Also AA seems to be okay with B6 competition at 5/6 round trips on the PHL route given their decision to cut this route to 10 flights. At one point a few years ago USAir was running between 17-20 flights/day on this route with quasi-shuttle "Fast Track" enhanced service with priority security, etc.

My prediction is that post-WN the other carriers ignore G4 pricing except to common airports like LAS and that gives G4 some oxygen. This is a well-honed dynamic at many G4 airports. As long as nobody flies MCO or TPA or RSW or whatever non-stop, the secondary airport won't hurt them as the only nonstop and AA/DL/UA won't match. OTOH, I don't think G4 will be any cheaper than NK/F9 down the highway, so it will limit the catchment zone to mostly northward toward MBS.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:22 pm

A substantial set of adds from American Airlines. Enilria, thanks for the update. And I just figured out what your screen name means. :D
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:36 pm

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**AA DFW-OAK APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0

OAK finally getting some AA love with a restart of DFW-OAK service. My guess is the new flight is with a single A319. Gosh! I remember AA have 4 to 5 nonstop/direct flights daily out of OAK using Maddogs and 727-200's.


It looks like only First Class is available on these new flights for some reason.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:47 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Indy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Wow, that is a pretty big increase.....


A reaction to G4 service to the Phoenix area?


It looks like it is only 4 for 5 of the days in March. 3 most days. And it is 2 red eyes for those days with 4, with a 3rd that gets in after 1 am on the PHX-IND side.

848-1519
1850-111
2215-433 - getting in at 430 does not sound fun.
2340-558

I am not sure if there is something going on in PHX that week besides spring training. I noticed a few other routes that week go up a flight on the same days. March 15/16/17 and 22/23


It is also 4x on March 9th
I doubt it is spring training related, considering IND does have a major league team, but maybe some flyers are going to Cubs spring training?

I think it is more likely golf related, I know a lot of people from IND have golf trips out to AZ that time of year
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:14 pm

I wonder if we'll see a similar pattern eventually from AA on DFW-BUR/LGB as they're doing in OAK for enhanced eastbound connections.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:20 pm

Thanks, as usual, enilria!
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:41 pm

Indy gets four dailies from PHX but CVG can't get even one on AA?
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:42 pm

enilria wrote:
axiom wrote:
CM TPA-PTY JUL 0.6>0.8 AUG 0.6>1.0

This is welcome news. Slow but steady development -- along with LH moving to a higher J mainline configuration, TPA's international air service development is paying off.

I was surprised. Seems like these passengers are primarily going to Orlando from what I deduce. Surprising they don't add more MCO.

Not really. Central America immigration increasing over the past several years. Business travel also increasing.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:57 pm

enilria wrote:
**AA PHX-OKC APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0


Thanks enilria!

Good to see OKC finally get the PHX hole filled on AA. This route has always been strong out of OKC on WN, will be interesting to see if AA is able to steal some of the market. The 1:00 PM departure out of OKC should complement the 6 AM and 5:30 PM LAX flights well for people going west domestically. Now if they can just give OKC either PHL or DCA, I'll be happy.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:04 pm

seatback wrote:
Indy gets four dailies from PHX but CVG can't get even one on AA?


BNA doesn't have one on AA to PHX either. That one really surprised me.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:09 pm

seatback wrote:
Indy gets four dailies from PHX but CVG can't get even one on AA?

I would second that one, CVG's PHX service is really pathetic. Currently 2-3x/wk on G4 and 4x/wk on F9. I am surprised that DL has not come back on the route. Frankly, I think WN or SY will come on the route before AA, they really just don't seem interested growing anything at CVG. I had hope when mainline was added to DFW, but I worry that it will be back to CRJ's as the MD-80's retire.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:34 pm

enilria wrote:
**AA PHX-OKC APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0

AWWWWWWWWWRIGHT!

Yes, I know that it's just as easy to connect via DFW and LAX to the west on AA, but this one was a long time coming, and gives added competition to WN.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:09 am

cvgComair wrote:
seatback wrote:
Indy gets four dailies from PHX but CVG can't get even one on AA?

I would second that one, CVG's PHX service is really pathetic. Currently 2-3x/wk on G4 and 4x/wk on F9. I am surprised that DL has not come back on the route. Frankly, I think WN or SY will come on the route before AA, they really just don't seem interested growing anything at CVG. I had hope when mainline was added to DFW, but I worry that it will be back to CRJ's as the MD-80's retire.


I'd imagine PHX - CVG is on the shortlist of WN adds to CVG. WN has daily service to CMH, IND, and SDF (and CVG is a larger metro area with more connections to PHX than all 3). However, WN flies to all 3 only 1x daily.

AA's next adds from PHX are probably COS and TUL with an outside shot of BNA, MSY, and RDU. The problem with CVG (as well as BNA, MSY, and RDU) is that they would require mainline to start. AA seems to like to start its new routes from PHX on regional jets and seems to be tweaking its regional jet / mainline mix on a lot of routes.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:30 am

Vctony wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
seatback wrote:
Indy gets four dailies from PHX but CVG can't get even one on AA?

I would second that one, CVG's PHX service is really pathetic. Currently 2-3x/wk on G4 and 4x/wk on F9. I am surprised that DL has not come back on the route. Frankly, I think WN or SY will come on the route before AA, they really just don't seem interested growing anything at CVG. I had hope when mainline was added to DFW, but I worry that it will be back to CRJ's as the MD-80's retire.


I'd imagine PHX - CVG is on the shortlist of WN adds to CVG. WN has daily service to CMH, IND, and SDF (and CVG is a larger metro area with more connections to PHX than all 3). However, WN flies to all 3 only 1x daily.

AA's next adds from PHX are probably COS and TUL with an outside shot of BNA, MSY, and RDU. The problem with CVG (as well as BNA, MSY, and RDU) is that they would require mainline to start. AA seems to like to start its new routes from PHX on regional jets and seems to be tweaking its regional jet / mainline mix on a lot of routes.


For WN, IND is 2x daily year-round, 3x daily on Saturday at peak. CMH is 1x daily/2x daily seasonally, but goes up to 3x daily on Saturdays at peak, but yes SDF is 1x daily

I think RDU, BNA, CVG, and MSY are likely the next up for mainline to PHX, it is just a matter of which one comes first... Maybe RDU and BNA, considering those are two important outstations for AA.
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Re: OAG Changes 11/26/2017: AA Adds CLT-BGR, DFW-OAK, ORD-CHS, PHX-AMA/OKC

Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:39 am

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The problem with Allegiant at FNT is that the service to Florida is less than daily and to secondary airports. So for those going to Disney SFB is less than desirable than MCO. What made Airtran successful is the fact that the service was daily and to the primary airports. I suspect that DL will now go all RJ by this time next year at FNT.


But that's how G4 operates as a whole, not just at FNT. I don't think that G4 has daily service anywhere, and they specialize in serving secondary tourist airports.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.

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