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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:52 am

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Sure the Korean population would form a basis for O/D service, however KE has a very strong connection market to North America; as well as Korea becoming a more desirable travel destination.
-The main bank of flights to the US leave ICN 10-11am, which would require an overnight stop for most Australian flights.

If they were to resume MEL, they could operate it overnight to SEL, and daytime flight back to connect with their main bank of flights and be able to provide further choice for customers while reopening an old market.


This was the old schedule:

KE125 ICN 18:20 - 07:10+1 MEL A332 135
KE126 MEL 08:40 - 17:55 ICN A332 246

I think they can mirror the same schedule as JL's current flights from MEL, JL seems to be doing quite well in MEL, increasing capacity during the peak period. Though JL is getting more premium heavy pax that are generally O&D between Melbourne and Japan, a market that is not as big compared to Melbourne-Korea which is more VFR, student and leisure orientated.

Either way, would love to see KE back in MEL!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:52 am

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Qantas 789 VH-ZNB to be moved from flightline to Everett Delivery Center overnight

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Appears -ZNB will operate 2 domestic sectors QF0414 MEL-SYD and QF0427 SYD-MEL ahead of the MEL-LAX services commencing on the 15th of Dec 17.


Do we know what days it will operate?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:04 am

QF29 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Qantas 789 VH-ZNB to be moved from flightline to Everett Delivery Center overnight

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https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/939301650186956800


Appears -ZNB will operate 2 domestic sectors QF0414 MEL-SYD and QF0427 SYD-MEL ahead of the MEL-LAX services commencing on the 15th of Dec 17.


Do we know what days it will operate?


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:58 am

CCA795 is currently about 15 mins out of BNE for the inaugural.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA795

Anyone know why CA has a different schedule for it's OZ flights then other Chinese carriers? (I mean arriving/departing in the late-afternoon/evening instead of morning). Just out of curiousity.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:12 am

Crackshot wrote:
CCA795 is currently about 15 mins out of BNE for the inaugural.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA795

Anyone know why CA has a different schedule for it's OZ flights then other Chinese carriers? (I mean arriving/departing in the late-afternoon/evening instead of morning). Just out of curiousity.


Not sure what you mean, but Chinese carriers have flights throughout the day in MEL and SYD, 3U, CZ, MU all operate flights that arrive in the afternoon and depart at night.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:17 am

kriskim wrote:
Crackshot wrote:
CCA795 is currently about 15 mins out of BNE for the inaugural.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA795

Anyone know why CA has a different schedule for it's OZ flights then other Chinese carriers? (I mean arriving/departing in the late-afternoon/evening instead of morning). Just out of curiousity.


Not sure what you mean, but Chinese carriers have flights throughout the day in MEL and SYD, 3U, CZ, MU all operate flights that arrive in the afternoon and depart at night.


Oh yeah? I might have just been thinking of BNE.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:32 am

Crackshot wrote:
kriskim wrote:
Crackshot wrote:
CCA795 is currently about 15 mins out of BNE for the inaugural.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA795

Anyone know why CA has a different schedule for it's OZ flights then other Chinese carriers? (I mean arriving/departing in the late-afternoon/evening instead of morning). Just out of curiousity.


Not sure what you mean, but Chinese carriers have flights throughout the day in MEL and SYD, 3U, CZ, MU all operate flights that arrive in the afternoon and depart at night.


Oh yeah? I might have just been thinking of BNE.


Quite likely limited space at the international terminal in the mornings - it can get pretty busy there with most if not all gates being used at times. The afternoons are much quieter, and it may just give CA a different marketing tool being able to offer connections at both ends, one end or the other.

The international terminal did recently have some expansion with extra stands becoming available but only with stairs and not aerobridges, so being able to have the undercover option could be handy for CA.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:33 am

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Crackshot wrote:
kriskim wrote:

Not sure what you mean, but Chinese carriers have flights throughout the day in MEL and SYD, 3U, CZ, MU all operate flights that arrive in the afternoon and depart at night.


Oh yeah? I might have just been thinking of BNE.


Quite likely limited space at the international terminal in the mornings - it can get pretty busy there with most if not all gates being used at times. The afternoons are much quieter, and it may just give CA a different marketing tool being able to offer connections at both ends, one end or the other.

The international terminal did recently have some expansion with extra stands becoming available but only with stairs and not aerobridges, so being able to have the undercover option could be handy for CA.


Yeah that makes sense. Last couple of times I've been there to spot at least one international widebody had to park on a taxiway for a while, especially when AKL had fuel problems and several had to divert here.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:40 am

Re BNE: it is almost impoosible to secure a slot between around 07:00 and 09:00. Issue is not just gate availability, but more due to the terminal being at saturation point for immigration/customs clearance.

Re KE to North America: not so much traffic anymore due to increased services by more direct and indirect South Pacific routes: QF/VA/NZ/FJ/AA/AC/DL/HA/UA.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:23 am

re KE to North America - especially now that FJ seems to be ramping up services to USA with their 5th A330.

Demand is so high, that FJ, who are normally amongst the cheapest direct flight SYD/LAX or SYD/SFO aren't over December & January, possibly because Fiji is so popular.

Wonder if they'll put an A330 on one of their 3 flights a week NAN/HNL the nonstop ?

If a short connect from BNE, SYD, MEL it could be a better way to get to HNL which seems to be booming from Australia.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:13 am

IASC has issued decisions for both Qantas and Virgin for routes on China, Singapore, Indonesia and New Zealand

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:52 am

Bluebird191 wrote:
Crackshot wrote:
kriskim wrote:

Not sure what you mean, but Chinese carriers have flights throughout the day in MEL and SYD, 3U, CZ, MU all operate flights that arrive in the afternoon and depart at night.


Oh yeah? I might have just been thinking of BNE.


Quite likely limited space at the international terminal in the mornings - it can get pretty busy there with most if not all gates being used at times. The afternoons are much quieter, and it may just give CA a different marketing tool being able to offer connections at both ends, one end or the other.

The international terminal did recently have some expansion with extra stands becoming available but only with stairs and not aerobridges, so being able to have the undercover option could be handy for CA.


That is not true, they have added four new aerobridges (so 2 wide body gates or 4 narrow body gates) in addition to walk out gates.

See: http://www.bne.com.au/sites/all/files/c ... B%29_0.pdf

The ~3pm arrival and ~7pm departure is identical to CA's PEK flights out of SYD and MEL as well. The early morning arrival in China should provide better connections through China too (and Japan/Korea).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:12 am

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re KE to North America - especially now that FJ seems to be ramping up services to USA with their 5th A330.

Demand is so high, that FJ, who are normally amongst the cheapest direct flight SYD/LAX or SYD/SFO aren't over December & January, possibly because Fiji is so popular.

Wonder if they'll put an A330 on one of their 3 flights a week NAN/HNL the nonstop ?

If a short connect from BNE, SYD, MEL it could be a better way to get to HNL which seems to be booming from Australia.


Let's not get carried away. FJs once weekly NAN-HNL service only connects 'well' with their morning SYD-NAN service (and that's 4.5 hour layover). From BNE, ADL & MEL it's either 12 or 24 hour layover. Neither their NAN-APW-HNL service nor NAN-CXI-HNL service are any better and, even if they did connect well, appeal to a very, very niche market of Oz-HNL flyers (most of whom would be A.net members). No one wants to travel SYD-NAN-APW/CXI-HNL when they could travel direct on QF/HA/JQ. If they thought they could get significant Oz-HNL pax, I'd expect them to at least have 3x weekly non stop NAN-HNL and better time the services.

FJ is not interested in Oz-USA traffic (haven't been for a while now), having realised it was better for them, and Fiji, to focus on Fiji O&D traffic. Very few services from Oz connect well to the USA flights, and those pax that do travel Oz-USA are only filling the plane up, FJ doesnt make any/much money from them. It would not surprise me if KE, BR, CI etc were all carrying more USA pax than them now.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:51 am

A Vietnamese hacker has been arrested and jailed after stealing a significant amount of sensitive security data from Perth Airport

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:39 am

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re KE to North America - especially now that FJ seems to be ramping up services to USA with their 5th A330.

Demand is so high, that FJ, who are normally amongst the cheapest direct flight SYD/LAX or SYD/SFO aren't over December & January, possibly because Fiji is so popular.

Wonder if they'll put an A330 on one of their 3 flights a week NAN/HNL the nonstop ?

If a short connect from BNE, SYD, MEL it could be a better way to get to HNL which seems to be booming from Australia.


Let's not get carried away. FJs once weekly NAN-HNL service only connects 'well' with their morning SYD-NAN service (and that's 4.5 hour layover). From BNE, ADL & MEL it's either 12 or 24 hour layover. Neither their NAN-APW-HNL service nor NAN-CXI-HNL service are any better and, even if they did connect well, appeal to a very, very niche market of Oz-HNL flyers (most of whom would be A.net members). No one wants to travel SYD-NAN-APW/CXI-HNL when they could travel direct on QF/HA/JQ. If they thought they could get significant Oz-HNL pax, I'd expect them to at least have 3x weekly non stop NAN-HNL and better time the services.

FJ is not interested in Oz-USA traffic (haven't been for a while now), having realised it was better for them, and Fiji, to focus on Fiji O&D traffic. Very few services from Oz connect well to the USA flights, and those pax that do travel Oz-USA are only filling the plane up, FJ doesnt make any/much money from them. It would not surprise me if KE, BR, CI etc were all carrying more USA pax than them now.

they'll have another A332 soon & it has to go somewhere. With Hawaii being popular, but expensive airfare wise in December & January, it would not surprise if FJ had a very good connection at NAN or a direct flight from SYD, with good connection from BNE. Only 1 airline now flies bne/hnl nonstop & is expensive.

FJ's SYD/LAX is direct daily with around a 3 hour wait in NAN. Many pax go across rd. & to hotel & have a swim !!! Maybe with the extra A332, the connections might be better from BNE, SYD & MEL ?

FJ are definitely interested in USA west coast & would not surpirse if they ramp up SFO to 4 or 5 days a week. Have a look at fares SYD/LAX & SYD/SFO this month & next ? FJ currently fly daily A330 to LAX, 3 times a week to SFO & 3 times a week to HNL(1 nonstop, the other 2 are direct via APW & CXI)

Fj could even go as far as BNE/HNL + SYD/HNL + AKL/HNL direct once or twice a week.

Could have A330's flying BNE, SYD, HNL arriving NAN around same time & then the 3 x A330's departing NAN soon after to go to HNL, SFO & LAX.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:41 am

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they'll have another A332 soon & it has to go somewhere. With Hawaii being popular, but expensive airfare wise in December & January, it would not surprise if FJ had a very good connection at NAN or a direct flight from SYD, with good connection from BNE. Only 1 airline now flies bne/hnl nonstop & is expensive.

FJ's SYD/LAX is direct daily with around a 3 hour wait in NAN. Many pax go across rd. & to hotel & have a swim !!! Maybe with the extra A332, the connections might be better from BNE, SYD & MEL ?

FJ are definitely interested in USA west coast & would not surpirse if they ramp up SFO to 4 or 5 days a week. Have a look at fares SYD/LAX & SYD/SFO this month & next ? FJ currently fly daily A330 to LAX, 3 times a week to SFO & 3 times a week to HNL(1 nonstop, the other 2 are direct via APW & CXI)

Fj could even go as far as BNE/HNL + SYD/HNL + AKL/HNL direct once or twice a week.

Could have A330's flying BNE, SYD, HNL arriving NAN around same time & then the 3 x A330's departing NAN soon after to go to HNL, SFO & LAX.


You are in a fantasy world. Only one airline flies between BNE-HNL because JQ couldn't make any money on it (and HA has reduced their frequency in last year from 4 to 3x weekly). If HNL was such a gold mine, JQ/QF/HA would be running significantly more flights than they currently are.

The reason fares are high over summer with FJ from Oz-USA is because fares to Fiji are high. They aren't going to sell a SYD-SFO ticket for $1000 when they can sell SYD-NAN for $500 and NAN-SFO for $700 are they? During the year they (evidently) struggle to fill every seat Oz-NAN so they top it up with Oz-USA traffic, but because the timetable means they have a long layover it's generally low yielding. There is so much potential for FJ in other markets (e.g. China, Japan), they shouldn't (and aren't) focusing on being the backpacker express from Australia to the USA like they were 10 years ago.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:41 am

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Sure the Korean population would form a basis for O/D service, however KE has a very strong connection market to North America; as well as Korea becoming a more desirable travel destination.
-The main bank of flights to the US leave ICN 10-11am, which would require an overnight stop for most Australian flights.

If they were to resume MEL, they could operate it overnight to SEL, and daytime flight back to connect with their main bank of flights and be able to provide further choice for customers while reopening an old market.

Don't think you can connect from most N.A. flights without an overnight stop if the MEL flights depart at 9-11am-ish, similar to JL's schedule. You can't really connect from places like DFW, ATL, YYZ & IAD to give a few examples. But the overnight flight back to ICN is certainly better at this.

If KE does resume MEL flight I would assume they wanna try to maximise regional connections, rather than N.A. connections (in addition to O&D), since it's easier to draw passengers to/from China & Japan.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:55 am

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they'll have another A332 soon & it has to go somewhere. With Hawaii being popular, but expensive airfare wise in December & January, it would not surprise if FJ had a very good connection at NAN or a direct flight from SYD, with good connection from BNE. Only 1 airline now flies bne/hnl nonstop & is expensive.

FJ's SYD/LAX is direct daily with around a 3 hour wait in NAN. Many pax go across rd. & to hotel & have a swim !!! Maybe with the extra A332, the connections might be better from BNE, SYD & MEL ?

FJ are definitely interested in USA west coast & would not surpirse if they ramp up SFO to 4 or 5 days a week. Have a look at fares SYD/LAX & SYD/SFO this month & next ? FJ currently fly daily A330 to LAX, 3 times a week to SFO & 3 times a week to HNL(1 nonstop, the other 2 are direct via APW & CXI)

Fj could even go as far as BNE/HNL + SYD/HNL + AKL/HNL direct once or twice a week.

Could have A330's flying BNE, SYD, HNL arriving NAN around same time & then the 3 x A330's departing NAN soon after to go to HNL, SFO & LAX.


You are in a fantasy world. Only one airline flies between BNE-HNL because JQ couldn't make any money on it (and HA has reduced their frequency in last year from 4 to 3x weekly). If HNL was such a gold mine, JQ/QF/HA would be running significantly more flights than they currently are.

The reason fares are high over summer with FJ from Oz-USA is because fares to Fiji are high. They aren't going to sell a SYD-SFO ticket for $1000 when they can sell SYD-NAN for $500 and NAN-SFO for $700 are they? During the year they (evidently) struggle to fill every seat Oz-NAN so they top it up with Oz-USA traffic, but because the timetable means they have a long layover it's generally low yielding. There is so much potential for FJ in other markets (e.g. China, Japan), they shouldn't (and aren't) focusing on being the backpacker express from Australia to the USA like they were 10 years ago.


I don’t know where you are finding $500 fares to Fiji! For December/January $1000-1500 return is about right. Given that is about what they sell the US for FJ have 0 reason to sell USA connections and manipulate availability to avoid selling them.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:11 pm

Qantas16 wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
they'll have another A332 soon & it has to go somewhere. With Hawaii being popular, but expensive airfare wise in December & January, it would not surprise if FJ had a very good connection at NAN or a direct flight from SYD, with good connection from BNE. Only 1 airline now flies bne/hnl nonstop & is expensive.

FJ's SYD/LAX is direct daily with around a 3 hour wait in NAN. Many pax go across rd. & to hotel & have a swim !!! Maybe with the extra A332, the connections might be better from BNE, SYD & MEL ?

FJ are definitely interested in USA west coast & would not surpirse if they ramp up SFO to 4 or 5 days a week. Have a look at fares SYD/LAX & SYD/SFO this month & next ? FJ currently fly daily A330 to LAX, 3 times a week to SFO & 3 times a week to HNL(1 nonstop, the other 2 are direct via APW & CXI)

Fj could even go as far as BNE/HNL + SYD/HNL + AKL/HNL direct once or twice a week.

Could have A330's flying BNE, SYD, HNL arriving NAN around same time & then the 3 x A330's departing NAN soon after to go to HNL, SFO & LAX.


You are in a fantasy world. Only one airline flies between BNE-HNL because JQ couldn't make any money on it (and HA has reduced their frequency in last year from 4 to 3x weekly). If HNL was such a gold mine, JQ/QF/HA would be running significantly more flights than they currently are.

The reason fares are high over summer with FJ from Oz-USA is because fares to Fiji are high. They aren't going to sell a SYD-SFO ticket for $1000 when they can sell SYD-NAN for $500 and NAN-SFO for $700 are they? During the year they (evidently) struggle to fill every seat Oz-NAN so they top it up with Oz-USA traffic, but because the timetable means they have a long layover it's generally low yielding. There is so much potential for FJ in other markets (e.g. China, Japan), they shouldn't (and aren't) focusing on being the backpacker express from Australia to the USA like they were 10 years ago.


Furthermore, being a majority government owned airline, one of their main reasons for existence will be to support the Fijian economy, i.e. bring tourists to Fiji and offer links for business to the world. So every seat sold on a OZ-US connection takes away 2 seats for tourists to go to Fiji (and spend $'000s in accommodation, food, entertainment etc.), or Fijians going overseas for business or VFR. Simple as that. They are not the Icelandair of the Pacific, that's not their game plan, and it rightly shouldn't be.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:33 am

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USAOZ wrote:
they'll have another A332 soon & it has to go somewhere. With Hawaii being popular, but expensive airfare wise in December & January, it would not surprise if FJ had a very good connection at NAN or a direct flight from SYD, with good connection from BNE. Only 1 airline now flies bne/hnl nonstop & is expensive.

FJ's SYD/LAX is direct daily with around a 3 hour wait in NAN. Many pax go across rd. & to hotel & have a swim !!! Maybe with the extra A332, the connections might be better from BNE, SYD & MEL ?

FJ are definitely interested in USA west coast & would not surpirse if they ramp up SFO to 4 or 5 days a week. Have a look at fares SYD/LAX & SYD/SFO this month & next ? FJ currently fly daily A330 to LAX, 3 times a week to SFO & 3 times a week to HNL(1 nonstop, the other 2 are direct via APW & CXI)

Fj could even go as far as BNE/HNL + SYD/HNL + AKL/HNL direct once or twice a week.

Could have A330's flying BNE, SYD, HNL arriving NAN around same time & then the 3 x A330's departing NAN soon after to go to HNL, SFO & LAX.


You are in a fantasy world. Only one airline flies between BNE-HNL because JQ couldn't make any money on it (and HA has reduced their frequency in last year from 4 to 3x weekly). If HNL was such a gold mine, JQ/QF/HA would be running significantly more flights than they currently are.

The reason fares are high over summer with FJ from Oz-USA is because fares to Fiji are high. They aren't going to sell a SYD-SFO ticket for $1000 when they can sell SYD-NAN for $500 and NAN-SFO for $700 are they? During the year they (evidently) struggle to fill every seat Oz-NAN so they top it up with Oz-USA traffic, but because the timetable means they have a long layover it's generally low yielding. There is so much potential for FJ in other markets (e.g. China, Japan), they shouldn't (and aren't) focusing on being the backpacker express from Australia to the USA like they were 10 years ago.


I don’t know where you are finding $500 fares to Fiji! For December/January $1000-1500 return is about right. Given that is about what they sell the US for FJ have 0 reason to sell USA connections and manipulate availability to avoid selling them.


Sorry, I do realise that but I should have been clearer. I was using $500 merely as an example to highlight why fares Oz-NAN-USA are expensive this time of year - not because demand is astronomically higher for SYD-NAN-LAX/SFO flights, but because demand is high for SYD-NAN and NAN-LAX/SFO flights.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:18 am

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Fj could even go as far as BNE/HNL + SYD/HNL + AKL/HNL direct once or twice a week.
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AKL-HNL is currently an bloodbath between NZ and HA, NZ currently has AKL-HNL for $269NZD oneway or around $550NZD return. Don't think FJ really wants to get in the mess of the AKL-US market anymore yesterday NZ had AKL-LAX for $298NZD oneway.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:09 am

MH is now keeping their A380's and both MEL & SYD will see them during peak periods

https://www.ausbt.com.au/malaysia-airli ... -to-london
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:26 am

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MH is now keeping their A380's and both MEL & SYD will see them during peak periods

https://www.ausbt.com.au/malaysia-airli ... -to-london


Wow, this back-and-forth at MH is really mindboggling. Having said that, the previous strategy to convert them to high-density for Hajj flights was stupid, and given the lack of interested takers on the 2nd hand market I guess this is the only option they have, short of mothballing them. Now they can at least use a A350s for expansion and upsizing some short-/mid-haul routes, and hopefully with that growth the A380s will also fill up again.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:51 am

eamondzhang wrote:
qantas747 wrote:

Sure the Korean population would form a basis for O/D service, however KE has a very strong connection market to North America; as well as Korea becoming a more desirable travel destination.
-The main bank of flights to the US leave ICN 10-11am, which would require an overnight stop for most Australian flights.

If they were to resume MEL, they could operate it overnight to SEL, and daytime flight back to connect with their main bank of flights and be able to provide further choice for customers while reopening an old market.

Don't think you can connect from most N.A. flights without an overnight stop if the MEL flights depart at 9-11am-ish, similar to JL's schedule. You can't really connect from places like DFW, ATL, YYZ & IAD to give a few examples. But the overnight flight back to ICN is certainly better at this.

If KE does resume MEL flight I would assume they wanna try to maximise regional connections, rather than N.A. connections (in addition to O&D), since it's easier to draw passengers to/from China & Japan.

Michael


Completely agree, although there would still be the option of a better connect back through BNE or SYD, which is still not ideal. If they introduce another service, it would be best to be at alternate times to the current AU services to provide more choice.
I wonder if that was partially the rational behind JLs flights (in addition to the large rise of the AUJP market of course!)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:45 am

Malindo Air in winter 2017/18 season once again filed planned operational schedule for Kuala Lumpur – Christmas Island route, on board Boeing 737-800 aircraft. Based on GDS schedule listing, the flight is scheduled to operate on following dates: 25DEC17 (specifically identified as charter flight), 15JAN18, 29JAN18, 05FEB18, 12FEB18, 19FEB18

OD8115 KUL1400 – 1540XCH 738
OD8116 XCH1640 – 2020KUL 738


Source: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -overview/

Good news for Christmas Islands!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:03 am

MH to increase PER, MH125/124 will resume eff 25 March 18 initially taking total services to PER to 9 weekly, increasing up to 12 weekly

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-12dec17/
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:08 am

A new regular flight service connecting the City of Karratha with Singapore and Brisbane will be available from mid-2018 following a Council decision to enter an agreement with Jetgo Australia.
Under the agreement Jetgo would operate regular passenger transport services twice weekly to Singapore and also twice weekly to Brisbane.
City of Karratha Mayor Peter Long said new service could commence by mid-2018, subject to regulatory approvals and mandatory modifications to the airport terminal.
...
“The agreement with the City of Karratha would underpin Jetgo moving up from its current fleet of Embraer ERJ regional jets in the 37 to 50 seat market segment to the larger 88 seat Embraer E175. This is a logical step for our business and builds on five and a half years of jet operations, including domestic airline services along with domestic and international jet charter services.”


Source: http://www.karratha.wa.gov.au/blog/city ... st-flights

Exciting news for KTA! Wasn't this rumoured to be MI? Or is that BME? Also great to see an E175 in Australia!
 
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:57 am

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Good to know! We always book our pet sitter through Mad Paws, might as well earn some points for it!
 
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:00 am

NZ changes over the coming days due to ongoing engine issues

Wednesday
NZ175/176 AKL-PER cancelled
NZ191/192 AKL-ADL 772 replaces 789

Thursday
NZ175 AKL-PER 7hr35min delay
NZ176 PER-AKL 2hr50min delay
NZ177 AKL-PER 15hr delay

Friday
NZ191/192 AKL-ADL 772 replaces 789
NZ178 PER-AKL 6hr30mins
NZ177 AKL-PER 13h5min delay
NZ162 PER-CHC 12hr5min delay

Saturday
NZ161 CHC-PER 9hr5min delay

https://www.airnewzealand.com.au/travel-alerts
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:23 am

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Sure the Korean population would form a basis for O/D service, however KE has a very strong connection market to North America; as well as Korea becoming a more desirable travel destination.
-The main bank of flights to the US leave ICN 10-11am, which would require an overnight stop for most Australian flights.

If they were to resume MEL, they could operate it overnight to SEL, and daytime flight back to connect with their main bank of flights and be able to provide further choice for customers while reopening an old market.

Don't think you can connect from most N.A. flights without an overnight stop if the MEL flights depart at 9-11am-ish, similar to JL's schedule. You can't really connect from places like DFW, ATL, YYZ & IAD to give a few examples. But the overnight flight back to ICN is certainly better at this.

If KE does resume MEL flight I would assume they wanna try to maximise regional connections, rather than N.A. connections (in addition to O&D), since it's easier to draw passengers to/from China & Japan.

Michael


Completely agree, although there would still be the option of a better connect back through BNE or SYD, which is still not ideal. If they introduce another service, it would be best to be at alternate times to the current AU services to provide more choice.
I wonder if that was partially the rational behind JLs flights (in addition to the large rise of the AUJP market of course!)

And partially due to the fact that you can't get gate at decent timing during MEL's morning rush hours, while they still have to accommodate Japan domestic connection & NRT's curfew....

I would assume if JL wanted to arrive in the morning, they have to make it in at ~9am and out by 10.30am to make connections possible at NRT end. You can't get a gate at that time at MEL's T2 without someone dropping services.

Michael
 
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:15 pm

Have a heard a rumour that PER may get a 2nd A380 service
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:36 pm

qf789 wrote:
NZ changes over the coming days due to ongoing engine issues

Wednesday
NZ175/176 AKL-PER cancelled
NZ191/192 AKL-ADL 772 replaces 789

Thursday
NZ175 AKL-PER 7hr35min delay
NZ176 PER-AKL 2hr50min delay
NZ177 AKL-PER 15hr delay

Friday
NZ191/192 AKL-ADL 772 replaces 789
NZ178 PER-AKL 6hr30mins
NZ177 AKL-PER 13h5min delay
NZ162 PER-CHC 12hr5min delay

Saturday
NZ161 CHC-PER 9hr5min delay

https://www.airnewzealand.com.au/travel-alerts


Hopefully the A340 is loaded into this soon
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:57 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
qantas747 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
Don't think you can connect from most N.A. flights without an overnight stop if the MEL flights depart at 9-11am-ish, similar to JL's schedule. You can't really connect from places like DFW, ATL, YYZ & IAD to give a few examples. But the overnight flight back to ICN is certainly better at this.

If KE does resume MEL flight I would assume they wanna try to maximise regional connections, rather than N.A. connections (in addition to O&D), since it's easier to draw passengers to/from China & Japan.

Michael


Completely agree, although there would still be the option of a better connect back through BNE or SYD, which is still not ideal. If they introduce another service, it would be best to be at alternate times to the current AU services to provide more choice.
I wonder if that was partially the rational behind JLs flights (in addition to the large rise of the AUJP market of course!)

And partially due to the fact that you can't get gate at decent timing during MEL's morning rush hours, while they still have to accommodate Japan domestic connection & NRT's curfew....

I would assume if JL wanted to arrive in the morning, they have to make it in at ~9am and out by 10.30am to make connections possible at NRT end. You can't get a gate at that time at MEL's T2 without someone dropping services.

Michael


That would then end up almost mirroring QF79/80 with only an hour difference (leaves MEL at 9:20am and arrives back at 8:00am). I think the current timetable between both JL and QF is ideal as you have the choice of overnight and day flights both ways. Problem is they don't seem to codeshare or cooperate on this route at all.
 
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:01 pm

A350OZ wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
qantas747 wrote:

Completely agree, although there would still be the option of a better connect back through BNE or SYD, which is still not ideal. If they introduce another service, it would be best to be at alternate times to the current AU services to provide more choice.
I wonder if that was partially the rational behind JLs flights (in addition to the large rise of the AUJP market of course!)

And partially due to the fact that you can't get gate at decent timing during MEL's morning rush hours, while they still have to accommodate Japan domestic connection & NRT's curfew....

I would assume if JL wanted to arrive in the morning, they have to make it in at ~9am and out by 10.30am to make connections possible at NRT end. You can't get a gate at that time at MEL's T2 without someone dropping services.

Michael


That would then end up almost mirroring QF79/80 with only an hour difference (leaves MEL at 9:20am and arrives back at 8:00am). I think the current timetable between both JL and QF is ideal as you have the choice of overnight and day flights both ways. Problem is they don't seem to codeshare or cooperate on this route at all.

They can't codeshare or whatever on Aus-Japan direct flights, or otherwise ACCC will give a hell out of it. If QF & JL cooperates in any form other than basic OW requirements, they're playing their muscles on a market that they basically owned. Remember the only other player (JQ excluded) is NH's single daily flight to HND.

Michael
 
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:09 pm

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Fj could even go as far as BNE/HNL + SYD/HNL + AKL/HNL direct once or twice a week.
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AKL-HNL is currently an bloodbath between NZ and HA, NZ currently has AKL-HNL for $269NZD oneway or around $550NZD return. Don't think FJ really wants to get in the mess of the AKL-US market anymore yesterday NZ had AKL-LAX for $298NZD oneway.

These are very limited low season specials. Depart in Dec or Jan & you'll pay 5 times that
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2017

Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:47 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
A350OZ wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
And partially due to the fact that you can't get gate at decent timing during MEL's morning rush hours, while they still have to accommodate Japan domestic connection & NRT's curfew....

I would assume if JL wanted to arrive in the morning, they have to make it in at ~9am and out by 10.30am to make connections possible at NRT end. You can't get a gate at that time at MEL's T2 without someone dropping services.

Michael


That would then end up almost mirroring QF79/80 with only an hour difference (leaves MEL at 9:20am and arrives back at 8:00am). I think the current timetable between both JL and QF is ideal as you have the choice of overnight and day flights both ways. Problem is they don't seem to codeshare or cooperate on this route at all.

They can't codeshare or whatever on Aus-Japan direct flights, or otherwise ACCC will give a hell out of it. If QF & JL cooperates in any form other than basic OW requirements, they're playing their muscles on a market that they basically owned. Remember the only other player (JQ excluded) is NH's single daily flight to HND.

Michael

Thanks that makes sense, I was wondering why.
 
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:51 pm

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AKL-HNL is currently an bloodbath between NZ and HA, NZ currently has AKL-HNL for $269NZD oneway or around $550NZD return. Don't think FJ really wants to get in the mess of the AKL-US market anymore yesterday NZ had AKL-LAX for $298NZD oneway.

These are very limited low season specials. Depart in Dec or Jan & you'll pay 5 times that[/quote]

Those specials we're for January 2018, Today NZ has FEB/MAR for $199NZD oneway or $350NZD return.
 
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:08 pm

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Have a heard a rumour that PER may get a 2nd A380 service


Exisiting or new airline?
 
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:10 pm

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MH to increase PER, MH125/124 will resume eff 25 March 18 initially taking total services to PER to 9 weekly, increasing up to 12 weekly

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-12dec17/


Werent we all just going on about air asia x cutting and how Perth supposedly isnt doing well economically? Funny how another adds services
 
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:55 pm

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Have a heard a rumour that PER may get a 2nd A380 service


Exisiting or new airline?


An existing one
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:58 pm

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Have a heard a rumour that PER may get a 2nd A380 service


Exisiting or new airline?


An existing one


Would this be Emirates keeping the 2nd daily A380 permanent?
 
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:06 am

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Exisiting or new airline?


An existing one


Would this be Emirates keeping the 2nd daily A380 permanent?


No its not EK
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:12 am

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An existing one


Would this be Emirates keeping the 2nd daily A380 permanent?


No its not EK


Well that only really leaves Etihad and Qatar..... wasnt there something a few months back about Etihad going to a 777? My money would be on them.
 
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:19 am

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Would this be Emirates keeping the 2nd daily A380 permanent?


No its not EK


Well that only really leaves Etihad and Qatar..... wasnt there something a few months back about Etihad going to a 777? My money would be on them.


No not Etihad either though it is the other ME3 carrier. Though I have my doubts of this rumour coming true after all this is QR we are talking about who chop and change their minds I also think their is some merit behind it. Firstly if EY does upgrade PER to 77W I imagine QR will want to defend their share in the market and secondly if the bilateral stays as is, the only way is increasing existing routes. QR still has 3 more A388's to be delivered as well.
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:20 am

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MH to increase PER, MH125/124 will resume eff 25 March 18 initially taking total services to PER to 9 weekly, increasing up to 12 weekly

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-12dec17/


Werent we all just going on about air asia x cutting and how Perth supposedly isnt doing well economically? Funny how another adds services


Indeed. I was at PER last night and when I walked past the check in for MH the flight looked pretty full. Also MH has been on record on saying they wanted to increase services to PER so its not really a surprise.
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:33 am

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MH to increase PER, MH125/124 will resume eff 25 March 18 initially taking total services to PER to 9 weekly, increasing up to 12 weekly

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-12dec17/


Werent we all just going on about air asia x cutting and how Perth supposedly isnt doing well economically? Funny how another adds services


Indeed. I was at PER last night and when I walked past the check in for MH the flight looked pretty full. Also MH has been on record on saying they wanted to increase services to PER so its not really a surprise.
we're into the 3rd week of 10 weeks of school holidays. Any airline not full at present should give up
 
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:34 am

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waoz1 wrote:

Werent we all just going on about air asia x cutting and how Perth supposedly isnt doing well economically? Funny how another adds services


Indeed. I was at PER last night and when I walked past the check in for MH the flight looked pretty full. Also MH has been on record on saying they wanted to increase services to PER so its not really a surprise.
we're into the 3rd week of 10 weeks of school holidays. Any airline not full at present should give up


Utter rubbish, school does not break up until tomorrow here in WA
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:52 am

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Werent we all just going on about air asia x cutting and how Perth supposedly isnt doing well economically? Funny how another adds services


Indeed. I was at PER last night and when I walked past the check in for MH the flight looked pretty full. Also MH has been on record on saying they wanted to increase services to PER so its not really a surprise.
we're into the 3rd week of 10 weeks of school holidays. Any airline not full at present should give up


It is a 737-800 service so has scope to increase.
 
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Have a heard a rumour that PER may get a 2nd A380 service


Sounds like it's in line with the previous rumour of an asian carrier planning to upgauge.
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