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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:44 am

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Ryanair has agreed to recognise pilot unions for the first time in its 32-year history in a bid to stop the first pilot strike in its history from taking place.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2017/1 ... al-action/


Seismic shift - shows how they're growing up as an organisation.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:57 am

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Looks like a new German TV add
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSG75OU-nD0

Guess they must be doing well in Germany after AB's failure. I wonder if they will add additional flights.
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:34 am

Aer Lingus confirm 2 additional A330s next summer, I assume this includes the one we already know about from QR, any ideas about the other?

And PHL goes daily from May.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:34 am

Dardania wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Ryanair has agreed to recognise pilot unions for the first time in its 32-year history in a bid to stop the first pilot strike in its history from taking place.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2017/1 ... al-action/


Seismic shift - shows how they're growing up as an organisation.


It certainly is. Who would have thought. I guess they realise its a can of worms if they go against the Pilots head on. A dispute could go on for months and cause major damage to the airline.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:03 am

OA260 wrote:
Dardania wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Ryanair has agreed to recognise pilot unions for the first time in its 32-year history in a bid to stop the first pilot strike in its history from taking place.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2017/1 ... al-action/


Seismic shift - shows how they're growing up as an organisation.


It certainly is. Who would have thought. I guess they realise its a can of worms if they go against the Pilots head on. A dispute could go on for months and cause major damage to the airline.


It'll be interesting to hear what the final deal agreed is. No doubt it'll be a "no-frills" style recognition. Personally, I think a risk sharing model would be good, somewhat similar to Delta's approach with their staff - partial payment in share options etc.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:09 pm

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Being reportedly this morning that Aer Lingus have confirmed an extra 2 airbus a330 aircraft will join the fleet next year and be in place before the summer


They just keep on keeping on, don't they? It's really good to see their strategy continues to work.

Still waiting on oneworld though! :)

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Ryanair has agreed to recognise pilot unions for the first time in its 32-year history in a bid to stop the first pilot strike in its history from taking place.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2017/1 ... al-action/


This is huge news to be fair! I couldn't believe it when I read it. Someone on Facebook commented that Southwest recognised unions and became a better airline for it, so perhaps it will be the same here? We live in interesting times.

Looks like the low cost carriers are becoming more like the legacy carriers every day and vice versa. Soon there'll just be airlines. Again.
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:10 pm

The EI press release only says the two extra A330s will be used to bolster DUB-PHL to daily. Will one of them definitely be SNN-based?
 
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:25 pm

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Being reportedly this morning that Aer Lingus have confirmed an extra 2 airbus a330 aircraft will join the fleet next year and be in place before the summer


"Aer Lingus is to expand its fleet, with the delivery of at least eight Airbus long-range aircraft from 2019. An additional two Airbus A330 aircraft will enter service next summer"

http://www.newstalk.com/Aer-Lingus-anno ... haul-fleet

Interesting to see where thye come from
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:36 pm

Jayafe wrote:
Eirules wrote:
Being reportedly this morning that Aer Lingus have confirmed an extra 2 airbus a330 aircraft will join the fleet next year and be in place before the summer


"Aer Lingus is to expand its fleet, with the delivery of at least eight Airbus long-range aircraft from 2019. An additional two Airbus A330 aircraft will enter service next summer"

Interesting to see where thye come from

One of these 2 new A330s is EI-GCF (A330-300, high MTOW for west coast ops) which is already parked in DUB ready to enter service next year. The other is rumoured to be an A330-200 on long-term lease from QR which would allow for a rumoured A330 to be based in SNN. This would being the A330 fleet to 8 A330-300 and 5 A330-200 for 2018. The other 8 aircraft are the A321neoLRs currently on order.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:57 pm

Phen wrote:
Jayafe wrote:
Eirules wrote:
Being reportedly this morning that Aer Lingus have confirmed an extra 2 airbus a330 aircraft will join the fleet next year and be in place before the summer


"Aer Lingus is to expand its fleet, with the delivery of at least eight Airbus long-range aircraft from 2019. An additional two Airbus A330 aircraft will enter service next summer"

Interesting to see where thye come from

One of these 2 new A330s is EI-GCF (A330-300, high MTOW for west coast ops) which is already parked in DUB ready to enter service next year. The other is rumoured to be an A330-200 on long-term lease from QR which would allow for a rumoured A330 to be based in SNN. This would being the A330 fleet to 8 A330-300 and 5 A330-200 for 2018. The other 8 aircraft are the A321neoLRs currently on order.


They updated schedules yesterday and have the A330 back on IAD daily, therefore as things stand SNN will not see A330.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:09 pm

Ryanair says its cannot meet unions until Wednesday

Ryanair has told pilot unions it cannot meet their representatives before Wednesday, the day when strikes are scheduled in Ireland and Portugal.

According to union sources, Wednesday's stoppage will not be called off without an initial meeting with Ryanair management taking place.

Sources said the pilots had written to Ryanair after the airline's unprecedented announcement this morning that it was prepared to recognise unions for the first time in its 32-year history in a bid to avert next Wednesday' strike.

In the letter, Impact said it was prepared to meet the company at any time, and preferably today.

However, it is understood that Ryanair management told Impact that it could not schedule a first engagement before Wednesday.

Pilot sources accused the airline of "playing chicken", and warned that the strikes will not be called off without an initial meeting taking place.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2017/1 ... al-action/
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:12 pm

Phen wrote:
Jayafe wrote:
Eirules wrote:
Being reportedly this morning that Aer Lingus have confirmed an extra 2 airbus a330 aircraft will join the fleet next year and be in place before the summer


"Aer Lingus is to expand its fleet, with the delivery of at least eight Airbus long-range aircraft from 2019. An additional two Airbus A330 aircraft will enter service next summer"

Interesting to see where thye come from

One of these 2 new A330s is EI-GCF (A330-300, high MTOW for west coast ops) which is already parked in DUB ready to enter service next year. The other is rumoured to be an A330-200 on long-term lease from QR which would allow for a rumoured A330 to be based in SNN. This would being the A330 fleet to 8 A330-300 and 5 A330-200 for 2018. The other 8 aircraft are the A321neoLRs currently on order.


Are they really going to leave EI-GCF parked up that long? Or will it start to see some action when the fleet start their annual maintenance cycles?
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:48 pm

No A330 for SNN, the additional A330 will allow PHL to go daily on B757 and A330 being used daily on IAD.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:32 am

Irish Air Letter’s December edition lists the exQatar Airways A330-200 c/n 441 as joining the Aer Lingus fleet in May 2018. This will be the second A330 to start operating next year, GCF being the other one.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:48 am

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No A330 for SNN, the additional A330 will allow PHL to go daily on B757 and A330 being used daily on IAD.


Sounds good to me, it makes sense that they go daily. Much better for business!
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:25 am

Good to see Washington performing well to get the daily A330 on Aer Lingus along with the daily 757 with UA.
 
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Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:24 am

Cork Airport smiling as it ranks second for happiness

The results have emerged from data compiled from the “smile” machines placed in 160 airports across the globe.

Passengers walking past Happy or Not machines can hit buttons ranging from a beaming smile to a deep frown depending on their experience in the airport.

Cork Airport scored a happiness ranking of 88.45% and was only pipped by Exeter Airport in England which achieved 88.66%. The average value across the globe was 76.52%.

Cork Airport’s head of communications, Kevin Cullinane, said: “We are delighted with the findings.

They confirm our ongoing efforts in providing the best of customer service, facilities and ease of travel to the over 2m engers that travelled through Cork Airport in the last year.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/co ... 64540.html
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:13 am

Phen wrote:
Jayafe wrote:
Eirules wrote:
Being reportedly this morning that Aer Lingus have confirmed an extra 2 airbus a330 aircraft will join the fleet next year and be in place before the summer


"Aer Lingus is to expand its fleet, with the delivery of at least eight Airbus long-range aircraft from 2019. An additional two Airbus A330 aircraft will enter service next summer"

Interesting to see where thye come from

One of these 2 new A330s is EI-GCF (A330-300, high MTOW for west coast ops) which is already parked in DUB ready to enter service next year. The other is rumoured to be an A330-200 on long-term lease from QR which would allow for a rumoured A330 to be based in SNN. This would being the A330 fleet to 8 A330-300 and 5 A330-200 for 2018. The other 8 aircraft are the A321neoLRs currently on order.

Those A321neoLRs are going to be consistently profitable and packed to the gills. The A321 will be the darling child compared to the A330.
Some of Delta's A321 new order will probably find their way to Irish routes too.
The money made flying between Ireland and America will be mostly earned on latest tech A321neo and to a lesser extent 737max in a few years time.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:08 pm

lesfalls wrote:
JAmie2k9 wrote:
Looks like a new German TV add
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSG75OU-nD0

Guess they must be doing well in Germany after AB's failure. I wonder if they will add additional flights.


No suspect not, they already have 2x daily FRA, MUC, DUS and TXL, up to x12 weekly HAM and seasonal x5 weekly STR.

With FR coming in and launching x2 daily MUC, x1 daily STR, LH increase FRA from x3 to x4 daily and planing to boost DUS (EW) next summer are FR to FRA is probably when not if. EI yields are probally under some pressure and they are now trying to capture more passengers flying to the US to ensure profitability. They will suffer on MUC and STR in particular for a few months until things settle down as has happens on other major Euro routes where FR come in with major discounts.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:29 pm

So, what's the current position on FR? The strike appears to be on still; odd that after breaking a 20 year moratorium on recognising unions, the airline caved in, but still refuses to talk, at least until next Wednesday. Can't blame the union for not trusting them; why would they not sit down and clarify the issues?

And if the pilot union is recognised, why not the cabin crew?

It will be very interesting to see how this pans out; my expectation is that they will agree to talks in order to stop the walkout, but after that, it's anyone's guess. Oh to be a fly on the wall at that first meeting.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:56 pm

kaitak wrote:
So, what's the current position on FR? The strike appears to be on still; odd that after breaking a 20 year moratorium on recognising unions, the airline caved in, but still refuses to talk, at least until next Wednesday. Can't blame the union for not trusting them; why would they not sit down and clarify the issues?

And if the pilot union is recognised, why not the cabin crew?

It will be very interesting to see how this pans out; my expectation is that they will agree to talks in order to stop the walkout, but after that, it's anyone's guess. Oh to be a fly on the wall at that first meeting.


Well speaking to an FR pilot yesterday they dont trust management and feel the Wednesday meeting is a ploy to get themselves out of a Xmas strike then come Wednesday they will further stall on real recognition and serious negotiations. So until such time as they get written guarantees they will still strike.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:22 pm

FR are now planning a meeting before Wednesday, how they even felt issuing a statement that they would not be available until the day or the strike and just expect the action to be dropped is beyond belief.
 
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Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:55 am

Ryanair pilots suspend planned strike action

Interesting development!

Edit: https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1217/92797 ... on-strike/
 
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Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:53 am

bx737 wrote:
Irish Air Letter’s December edition lists the exQatar Airways A330-200 c/n 441 as joining the Aer Lingus fleet in May 2018. This will be the second A330 to start operating next year, GCF being the other one.


Quite an old frame as far as A330's go. Delivered new in 2003. Although, looking at airfleets, I can see the newest 330 in the QR fleet (excl Freighters) was delivered in April 2008. I would have expected QR to have a slightly younger fleet than that.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:21 am

RRTrent wrote:
bx737 wrote:
Irish Air Letter’s December edition lists the exQatar Airways A330-200 c/n 441 as joining the Aer Lingus fleet in May 2018. This will be the second A330 to start operating next year, GCF being the other one.


Quite an old frame as far as A330's go. Delivered new in 2003. Although, looking at airfleets, I can see the newest 330 in the QR fleet (excl Freighters) was delivered in April 2008. I would have expected QR to have a slightly younger fleet than that.


Maybe it's due a refit, so ideal time for EI to refit to their standard?
 
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Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:51 am

Limerick business leader calls for regional airport fund

A PLAN to gain more business for Shannon and other regional airports is needed rather than letting Dublin continue its runaway growth, a Mid West business leader has said.

Figures released by the Central Statistics Office this week highlights Shannon Airport as a cause for concern as the other major airports in the Republic record increases in their passenger numbers.

According to the CSO, Shannon has dropped passenger numbers by 5.2 per cent, while Dublin and Cork airports grew by 6.3 per cent and 3.2 per cent respectively on the first nine months of last year. Knock and Kerry grew by almost two per cent each.

Limerick Chamber chief executive James Ring said that regional airports could become unviable unless a specific strategic fund was put in place to give Dublin a run for its money.

http://www.limerickpost.ie/2017/12/17/r ... port-fund/
 
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Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:07 pm

Flew EI Regional to ABZ last week for the second time in as many months (I dislike the way that Stobart cabin crew want to move you out of row 18, despite paying handsomely for it, so that they don't have to sit in the crew seats during the cruise) and I have to say that DAA need to pop over and visit the Norther Lights lounge at ABZ to see how a commercial/subscription lounge refurbishment should be done. It's spacious, very nicely furnished, very good free wifi, delightful staff (not at all like DUB), excellent food and beverage offerings which were replenished regularly, spotlessly clean and a selection of single malts for a minimal extra charge.
Compare and contrast with the appalling grubby and grotty independent lounge that EI use in Munich :roll:
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:03 am

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Limerick business leader calls for regional airport fund

.......has dropped passenger numbers by 5.2 per cent, while Dublin and Cork airports grew by 6.3 per cent and 3.2 per cent respectively on the first nine months of last year. Knock and Kerry grew by almost two per cent each.

Limerick Chamber chief executive James Ring said that regional airports could become unviable unless a specific strategic fund was put in place to give Dublin a run for its money.

http://www.limerickpost.ie/2017/12/17/r ... port-fund/


Did we not all subscribe to that "fund" over the years, many of them, when the Shannon Stopover protectionist racket operated in favour of SNN and to the detriment of Dublin and any travelers from there?
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:45 pm

Arrived into T1, pier A today from Heathrow on a BA321. Surprised to see four BA aircraft on the ground in Dublin at one time.

Pier A remains a mess, with old Aer Rianta Dublin signs on the exterior of the building. The separation corridor was new for me, but was already scruffy, with flooring and walls showing their age, probably due to bad cleaning and poor design. Immigration was quick as was baggage delivery. The baggage hall looked well, but still has a kaleidoscope of floor tiles.

The car rental bus driver was saying that the airport is quiet these days - last weekend was busy, but this week is very slow so far.

The Heathrow connection (T3->T5) took over two hours as only two people on the UK border immigration counters resulted in a 35 minute queue. The transit bus between terminals was packed beyond comfort, and looked like it had spent weeks in a quarry. Fast track security was surprisingly efficient. The BA lounge wasn’t a option with two kids, so used the new plaza premium lounge at gate 7 with my Cathay pacific Amex card this is a new lounge and is really good. Plaza Premium are very professional - they are running the CX lounge in T3 Heathrow, which is fantastic.

I think I’m spoilt by gleaming, well staffed asian airports, so a return to Europe has the shock of grime, haphazard design and lack of staff.

The BA renovated 321 was bright, and their BOB menu is quite good. Crew was friendly, Seats were tight but comfortable. Anyone know why some of the aisles on their 321s dont have air vents? Very strange.
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Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:51 pm

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I think I’m spoilt by gleaming, well staffed asian airports, so a return to Europe has the shock of grime, haphazard design and lack of staff.



Would you be referring to airports in the UK & Ireland ?

:cry2:
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:56 pm

factsonly wrote:
BestWestern wrote:

I think I’m spoilt by gleaming, well staffed asian airports, so a return to Europe has the shock of grime, haphazard design and lack of staff.



Would you be referring to airports in the UK & Ireland ?

:cry2:



To be fair, CDG T1 takes the prize for grime and haphazard redevelopment.
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Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:08 pm

Further investment of €1.86m. confirmed for Ireland West Airport Knock

THE Minister for Rural and Community Development, Michael Ring, has announced that the government is to invest a further €1,868,000 in Ireland West Airport Airport Knock.

The funding is part of a €3.6 million Regional Airports Programme funding package announced by Minister for Transport, Sport and Tourism, Shane Ross TD today.

Minister Ring said: “I cannot overstate the significance of this funding in terms of the impact it will have on our airport and as a clear sign of the government’s long term commitment to Knock.

“That Ireland West Airport Knock received over half of the government funding announced today illustrates the priority being placed by the government on Knock as an important regional airport for the future.

“Of the three regional airports which were allocated a combined €3.6 million today, it is significant that Knock got more than Kerry and Donegal airports combined.

“I have worked closely with Minister Ross to ensure continued government investment in Ireland West Airport Knock and I commend him for ensuring this support for our local airport. It is an international gateway to the west of Ireland and is extremely well placed strategically.

“This bodes extremely well in terms of our ability to attract tourists and businesses to Mayo and the West for the future.”

http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundu ... ort-knock/
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Bid to maintain airport runway is dismissed as ‘short-sighted’

The chances of Galway ever regaining a viable commercial airport will be lost if the City Council continues to view it as a valuable land bank, councillors have claimed.

At a meeting of the local authority, Councillor Niall McNelis said it would be short-sighted for a growing city to let such a piece of infrastructure go.

Cllr Cathal Ó Conchúir agreed that if the runway was lost that it would be gone forever.

Members were reacting to a notice issued under Section 183 of the Local Government Act 2001, which would grant temporary leasehold on lands at Galway Airport, Carnmore, to Galway Flying Club Ltd. for the period of December 22 2017 to December 21 2018.

http://connachttribune.ie/bid-maintain- ... ghted-043/
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:10 pm

Rumours that the ground handling agent 'Menzies Aviation' are entering Dublin next year. Apparently they have taken over the contracts for BA, IB and VY.

Anyone else hear of this?

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Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:40 pm

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Rumours that the ground handling agent 'Menzies Aviation' are entering Dublin next year. Apparently they have taken over the contracts for BA, IB and VY.

Anyone else hear of this?

EI121


Don't swissport handle BA, IB mow?, not sure who has VY but would entering DUB be viable?
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:04 pm

Some rows on the BA A321s don’t have vents because of the refit, more seats meant not enough vents for every row and you’ll find a lot of them are slightly out of line with the rows that do have them.
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:14 pm

shamrock321 wrote:
Some rows on the BA A321s don’t have vents because of the refit, more seats meant not enough vents for every row and you’ll find a lot of them are slightly out of line with the rows that do have them.


Are some rows missing/have misplaced overhead call bells/lights too then?
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:14 pm

Traffic for DUB 2017 likely to be about 29.5M

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2017/1 ... christmas/

Over one million people are expected to use Dublin Airport this Christmas, making it the busiest Christmas in the airport's 77 year hold history.
Between Friday, December 22 and Friday, January 5 an expected 1,021,250 people will travel through Dublin Airport. The numbers arriving at and departing from the airport are up 2% compared to the same time last year. Friday, December 22 is expected to be the busiest day before Christmas, with almost 85,000 passengers due to arrive and depart through both terminal one and two. Friday, December 29 is also expected to be the busiest day after Christmas, particularly with passengers heading to winter sun and skiing destinations. Dublin Airport will close on Christmas Day - the only day on which it closes every year. A number of staff members will remain on duty, however, including the airport's emergency fire services. Flight operations will stop on Christmas Eve after the last flight departs at 11.10pm to Chisinau - the capital of Moldova - with Air Moldova. They will resume on St Stephen's Day when an Aer Lingus flight from New York is due to land at 5am.
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:22 pm

With an ever growing multi cultural society, thus operations from countries that don’t traditionally celebrate Christmas, do we see a situation where DUB will eventually open on Christmas Day.

The U.K. has a large proportion of airports operating on Christmas Day for example, some actually quite busy, so, could be a sign that demand to travel on the day is growing.

It’s nice to keep tradition going, but one wonders when the bean counters will eventually over ride tradition?
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:29 pm

Closing a key infraestructure for Christmas is not a tradition, it is a shame and to generate a problem to a lot of users, unbelievable coming from a country that is supposed to consider itself developed. Hello, XXI century?
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:49 pm

User001 wrote:
With an ever growing multi cultural society, thus operations from countries that don’t traditionally celebrate Christmas, do we see a situation where DUB will eventually open on Christmas Day.

The U.K. has a large proportion of airports operating on Christmas Day for example, some actually quite busy, so, could be a sign that demand to travel on the day is growing.

It’s nice to keep tradition going, but one wonders when the bean counters will eventually over ride tradition?


We have this topic every year. I think I brought it up a few times. My opinions have varied over the last 10 years but I do believe that Dublin Airport should be open 24/7 365 considering the hub it wants to be and the growth achieved over the last decade. It is a natural progression that has to be introduced hopefully by next year !
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:40 pm

My opinion aside, I’d imagine the issues to do with unions & getting people to work Christmas Day would be very difficult. Check in staff, baggage handlers, air traffic control, retail etc
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:44 pm

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Rumours that the ground handling agent 'Menzies Aviation' are entering Dublin next year. Apparently they have taken over the contracts for BA, IB and VY.

Anyone else hear of this?

EI121


I work for Swissport we do them at the minute and yep it’s true.they are meant to start from March as far as I know...
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:29 pm

User001 wrote:
With an ever growing multi cultural society, thus operations from countries that don’t traditionally celebrate Christmas, do we see a situation where DUB will eventually open on Christmas Day.

The U.K. has a large proportion of airports operating on Christmas Day for example, some actually quite busy, so, could be a sign that demand to travel on the day is growing.

It’s nice to keep tradition going, but one wonders when the bean counters will eventually over ride tradition?


Won't impact bean counters, critical services are maintained 365 i.e. fire, ATC, police if anything it will cost them more because when you look at operators you are talking fewer than 20 flights (probally less than 15). EI/FR would need to request ops on 25th to have any hope. If operators really wanted to get people here they could operate to SNN!

Different cultures should respect holiday periods in the countries where they are guests ;)

You could even argue that ground transport here and in the UK should operate but few made such a case...

Eirules wrote:
My opinion aside, I’d imagine the issues to do with unions & getting people to work Christmas Day would be very difficult. Check in staff, baggage handlers, air traffic control, retail etc


Union's wouldn't really be a problem.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:48 pm

There may be more flights than you think.

As an example, MAN (obviously my local) has about 35 flights, ranging from Lufthansa, Emirates, Qatar, KLM and so on.

In the U.K. the Christmas Day closedown of Rail is used to facilitate large scale engineering works so probably helps serve that purpose.

As for people working Christmas Day, again, more people than you think may be willing to work. Extra pay, not celebrating the day, no one to celebrate with and so on may mean they actually come in. Again as an example, My workplace had no shortage of volunteers willing to work Christmas Day, too many in fact that some had to be turned down the work.
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:53 pm

2xEK, 2xEY 1xQR and if you look at Euro hub carriers probally max of 2x LH, KL, AF, then 1xUA 1xDL, 1xAA. You would unlikely see anymore at DUB excluding the ET stop. Don't TUI or TCX operate from most UK on the day which I guess helps justify some opening.

I would happly work the day (even for normal pay!). In 2010 or 2011 whichever had bad snow the airport almost opened however in the end EI/FR decided not to operate with EI finishing up by 05.00. I think had it happened that year it may have changed things.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:14 pm

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Closing a key infraestructure for Christmas is not a tradition, it is a shame and to generate a problem to a lot of users, unbelievable coming from a country that is supposed to consider itself developed. Hello, XXI century?


The 26/12 is an extremely quiet travel day in Ireland (and even in the UK). I am not sure there would be that much demand for travel on Christmas day.
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:04 am

Busiest day at Belfast airports as families reunite for Christmas

Around 30,000 passengers passed through Belfast airports yesterday on the busiest day of the year as families and friends reunited for Christmas. There were lots of smiles, but plenty of tears too, as loved ones were embraced as they arrived from as far away as Australia. Belfast International catered for 20,000 passengers – with almost 125,000 passing through over the course of Christmas and the new year. The airport’s operational director Alan Whiteside said: “Christmas is always a busy time for us, and this year won’t be any different. “After Boxing Day, activity ratchets back up for the big New Year ‘exodus’ with people flying out after the break and families taking off for a skiing or sunshine holiday. The Terminal is a welcoming place for people coming home. For many of them, coming through Arrivals can be emotional as they are re-united with family and friends.” Mr Whiteside told UTV: “We will have people travelling great distances to be in Northern Ireland this Christmas. Whole families turn up to welcome home their loved ones, and it is a heart-warming sight.” Katy Best of George Best Belfast City Airport, said: “We have extra staff on hand to make sure everyone’s journey is as smooth as possible including present wrapping stations within the security area. Pupils from our adopted schools were invited in to officially turn on our Christmas lights and choirs have been in the terminal entertaining passengers throughout the festive season.

www.newsletter.co.uk/news/busiest-day-a ... -1-8303884

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If Ryanair didn’t exist we’d have to invent it in time for Brexit

Ryanair and its chief executive, Michael O’Leary, have been getting a lot of flak lately, much of it drawn upon themselves, but it’s worth remembering the benefits the company has brought as well.

Three decades ago, before Ryanair embarked on its low-cost strategy, the Republic had one airline, Aer Lingus, which the taxpayer had to bail out from time to time and which charged high fares to fly people to a limited number of destinations in Britain, Europe and the United States.

In this the Republic was no different from most other European countries. But for an island nation that wanted to grow its economy by increasing exports and tourism, it was pretty shocking that its flag-carrying airline did not work out a way of flying people in and out of here cheaply and efficiently.

Aer Lingus is a very different creature today. A recent note from Barclays Bank analysts points out that it is one of the most competitive carriers in the stable of its owner, International Airlines Group, precisely because it has had to take on Ryanair in its home market.

This reflects a wider picture. Air travel in Europe is very different today because of the low-cost revolution led by Ryanair and aided by the European Union’s decision to liberalise aviation 25 years ago. These things forced everyone in the sector to compete.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/tra ... -1.3336585
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:58 pm

Jayafe wrote:
Closing a key infraestructure for Christmas is not a tradition, it is a shame and to generate a problem to a lot of users, unbelievable coming from a country that is supposed to consider itself developed. Hello, XXI century?


Try go shopping in France or Germany on a Sunday. I'd consider that a lot more inconvenient, but you plan around it and survive.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:20 pm

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Closing a key infraestructure for Christmas is not a tradition, it is a shame and to generate a problem to a lot of users, unbelievable coming from a country that is supposed to consider itself developed. Hello, XXI century?


It's uneconomical to keep the airport open as there would be very few flights, Ryanair stop flying around 3pm on Chrstmas Eve and don't start again until about 1pm on St. Stephens Day, Aer Lingus also don't operate as many flights on either the 24th or 26th, their flight schedule is significantly paired back due to lack of demand, the same with Stobart, CityJet and BA, people just don't want to travel in great numbers over these days to warrant putting on flights, they'd be loss making.

With that in mind, the DAA couldn't justify opening the Airport on the 25th just for the 5-6 airlines that might want to run flights (EK, EY, LH, DL, AA) if EI and FR et al all don't want to run their own flights, as they'd have to bring in a full set of workers to run the airport from security teams, baggage handlers, marshallers, ops teams, ATC, Fire Services, Fuellers, Checkin Staff, Engineers, de-icers, push back crews etc, and those 5 flights couldn't possibly cover the cost of bringing in all those staff, heating and lighting the terminals, lighting the airfield etc.

If they offered to those airlines to open the airport on the 25th on the condition that the airlines paid all the costs I'm sure the airlines would balk at the idea, as there's no way there'd even be enough demand to fill their own flights profitably, never mind footing the bill for opening the terminals and airfield.

You could bet your last euro if there was money to be made the airlines would be screaming out to have the airport open, but the numbers just don't add up. Aer Lingus and Ryanair have access to the figures and know how much it would cost to bring in people for the day. The comercial departments know even if there was enough demand to operate say 3-4 Heathrow flights, when you add in the cost of getting staff in to cover those three to four flights and turning the lights and heating on in the airport, it would be massively loss making.

It just doesn't make economic sense to open the airport, it's nothing to do with tradition, religion or unions, just pure cold cash.
 
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Re: Irish 12/17: Ag eitilt gan teo

Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:21 am

eidvm wrote:

It's uneconomical to keep the airport open as there would be very few flights, Ryanair stop flying around 3pm on Chrstmas Eve and don't start again until about 1pm on St. Stephens Day, Aer Lingus also don't operate as many flights on either the 24th or 26th, their flight schedule is significantly paired back due to lack of demand, the same with Stobart, CityJet and BA, people just don't want to travel in great numbers over these days to warrant putting on flights, they'd be loss making.


You say there is no demand however one could argue that as traditionally the island is closed over Christmas, the airlines simply have no choice but to cancel all operations regardless of demand or not. BA does indeed operate a significant chunk of flights over the Christmas period (i know myself as I’m flying home from HKG tomorrow night) including European flights and Iv no doubt given the chance DUB would feature on Xmas day. We should also remember that not so long ago EI use to cut their Atlantic schedule from the 23rd DEC until the 26th meaning two full days of no operations, this has now been changed so that the last westbound depart on the 24th and overnight so that eastbound can leave Christmas night arriving the 26th. This is a result of increased demand and a change in values regarding traveling Christmas Day.

With EI and DUB in particular promoting the Dub-Hub there will be an increased demand in the future (if not already) for more flights through Christmas Day, even if they are of a discounted rate.
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