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Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:48 pm

Look like Nolinor will have the 737-200 for a few more years:

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Aircraft seems to be D2-TBC,an ex TAAG 737-200 built in 1976. What an amazing news for Avgeeks !
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:26 pm

Well there aren’t many jets around equipped for gravel on the used market.
 
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:07 pm

32,000 total hours?!?!?!
They'd be insane NOT to snatch that up!
That's not even halfway used, for a 737. They're not even to the point of skin lap inspections, which I believe start at 40000 hours.
That should be a very good plane for them.
 
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:11 pm

Fantastic find that is! I am so glad this plane will be around for another few years!
 
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:53 pm

Will this aircraft remain in the pax configuration or converted to cargo?
 
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Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:56 pm

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Will this aircraft remain in the pax configuration or converted to cargo?

Based on their previous 737-200 (they need for gravel runway ops) it will be either pax or combi.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:03 am

Seems pretty common to do this nowadays. Aeronaves TSM just bought N120NE at auction, a DC-9-15, LN 34 from 1966. Just under 15,000 hours on her. Here's the auction listing: https://www.auctionguy.com/1966-boeing- ... 16734.html
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:09 am

Amazing how long these are lasting
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:24 am

They don't build 'em like they used to.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:48 am

What is the freight capability of something like this? Where will it fly? (Buffalo Airways reality show fan).
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:54 am

The surprise is that it only has 32,000 hours on it. As for the previous operator...it was received by TAAG as a brand new plane. I expect Nolinor to have this as a convertible with seats on pallets.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:50 am

Flighty wrote:
What is the freight capability of something like this? Where will it fly? (Buffalo Airways reality show fan).


Nolinor has two major contracts with mining companies in Nunavut: Agnico-Eagle Mines operates a mine at Meadowbank north of Baker Lake and another mine under construction in Rankin Inlet. They operate almost daily from Mirabel- Val D’Or- Churchill or Rankin - Meadowbank Mine. This tempo is supposed to increase with construction in Rankin Inlet.

The other contract is with Baffinland Iron Mines located at the north end of Baffin Island at Mary River. They have a regular schedule from Mirabel to Iqaluit to Mary River.

These are long legs with distant alternates so the payload seems to vary quite a bit. Their aircraft are usually combi but I believe they have a straight freighter. Combis usually in 60seat config. They are an extremely professional operator. I used to work with one of their contractors in Rankin Inlet and found that they have a well run operation with us having the option to load to legal max loads right up to the last minute. Their system is well set up for this and we would always be left looking for an extra 40lbs or so to max out the load. Amazing inflight crew!

This summer they landed a 737 in Baker Lake which is 4195’ of gravel. Meadowbank is 5350’ of gravel.

They do a bunch of other adhoc work including ice strip work which would be interesting.

Cool operation. Great to see them expanding!
 
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:58 am

Lol and there are 757's, 767's, and 747-400's from getting trashed left and right that were all built between '99 and 2004.

They don't build 'em like they used to - that's what crack and hip hop "culture" will do to a country.
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:37 am

Does this aircraft have hush kits fitted or do they plan to ?


Or Is there a waiver to operate without ?
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:40 am

Spacepope wrote:
Seems pretty common to do this nowadays. Aeronaves TSM just bought N120NE at auction, a DC-9-15, LN 34 from 1966. Just under 15,000 hours on her. Here's the auction listing: https://www.auctionguy.com/1966-boeing- ... 16734.html


In a VIP configuration of only 35 seats, Who was the previous owner & how long has this been parked? A pretty sweet find, IMO.
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:42 am

Great news for Nolinor and aviation fans. Tough birds. But I don't think these 737-200s are any tougher than the -600s or -700s that are being retired today. The difference is the gravel kit and combi option. Nolinor is an outfit with high competence, they know how to fly and maintain old aircraft. And when they can fly them on charter/ad-hoc missions, the low acquisition costs but high maintenance costs even out.

I wish gravel kits were provided as an option on newer aircraft as well.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:20 am

1989worstyear wrote:
Lol and there are 757's, 767's, and 747-400's from getting trashed left and right that were all built between '99 and 2004.

They don't build 'em like they used to - that's what crack and hip hop "culture" will do to a country.


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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:21 am

1989worstyear wrote:
Lol and there are 757's, 767's, and 747-400's from getting trashed left and right that were all built between '99 and 2004.

They don't build 'em like they used to - that's what crack and hip hop "culture" will do to a country.

Its really about the kids today with their zoot suits and the jazz music.

This airframe has a quarter the hours as the 747s being retired (no apostrophe btw, they should have taught you that in grade school).
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:45 am

Followed the status of it over the past couple days (Ex ACA Capt. Jeff Lewis flew it in) very cool!
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:16 am

1989worstyear wrote:
Lol and there are 757's, 767's, and 747-400's from getting trashed left and right that were all built between '99 and 2004.

They don't build 'em like they used to - that's what crack and hip hop "culture" will do to a country.


Yeah, those darn kids with their swing dancing and phonographs! Next thing you know, they'll be going to speakeasies!
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:24 am

1989worstyear wrote:
Lol and there are 757's, 767's, and 747-400's from getting trashed left and right that were all built between '99 and 2004.

They don't build 'em like they used to - that's what crack and hip hop "culture" will do to a country.


A common misconception. They actually build 'em BETTER now than they used to. It just seems that way as you age, evident by the rest of your post.

Airlines don't only retire/scrape airplanes because they've become dangerous and were built cheaply.
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:48 pm

There is something to be said for an aircraft or other piece of equipment that Is simple and rugged. Some things do last longer, usually because the maintenance profile is superior. Old washing machines might be an example. It was a perfected technology that can be maintained forever. Rebuild kits cost $20-50. All of a sudden, new circuit board-driven models with hundreds of new failure points were introduced. They are inferior because of their worse maintenance profile (and the fact they don't get clothes clean in the first place). Same thing with refrigerators. Don't get me started on all this "smart home" technology. It is markedly inferior to the technology that came before. Sometimes the commercial world wants you to believe you need a new product. One way is to sell you a flimsy new product that is a piece of trash that will leave you high and dry and in desperate need of another new product. Long term solutions are NOT what most companies want to sell you. They learned that lesson long ago.
 
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:15 pm

I am not sure what is involved with a gravel kit installation. The aircraft in the picture does have the vortex dissipators on the engines, but it does not have the gravel deflector installation on the nose gear. Perhaps it is already rigged for it and it is an easy installation. But, if you have ever seen the nose gear up close, it is quite a set up!

I flew a few thousand hours in Canada's Arctic on the 737-200 gravel/combi for Canadian North when it was a part of Canadian Airlines.

The aircraft I flew were all built as combi/gravel aircraft, for Pacific Western, Nordair, Dome Pete, etc. In addition to the vortex dissipators and nose gear deflectors, there were also deflectors on the main gear and inboard flap guards. The ex-Nordair aircraft could also retract the beacon on the belly, others just had a deflector mounted upwind of it.

At Canadian, the aircraft had special navigation equipment required by Transport Canada. Initially ONS, (as INS does not work in the Arctic), then eventually GPS when legal. Also, there had to be a mount for the Astro Compass.

"Arctic trained" pilots had one additional sim session a year, and one additional classroom day a year. Not only did we have to be able to use the Astro Compass, but we also had to proficiently fly a single engine NDB circling approach, as often that was the only option.

It's great seeing another 737 in the Arctic. It is a very unique aircraft. That big thick wing burned a lot of fuel, but it sure didn't use a lot of runway.
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:35 pm

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Spacepope wrote:
Seems pretty common to do this nowadays. Aeronaves TSM just bought N120NE at auction, a DC-9-15, LN 34 from 1966. Just under 15,000 hours on her. Here's the auction listing: https://www.auctionguy.com/1966-boeing- ... 16734.html


In a VIP configuration of only 35 seats, Who was the previous owner & how long has this been parked? A pretty sweet find, IMO.


Those are all very good questions that I don't have an answer to. Last pic I could find of it in service was at St. Pete in 2006, so not parked as lonf as the 2 ex-Evergreen DC-9-15Fs they took last year. All DC-9 freighters came with the door from the factory if i remember right, so if N120ne (one to one, get it? I don't) didn't have it, I'd assume they're bringing it down to Mexico for parts. I just can't find a decent photo of the aircraft from the left side.
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:01 pm

Sorry this is slightly tangental... Do they still really fly pax from Mirabel? I thought the terminal was demolished. I imagine this would mean Nolinor use space in their own FBO to process and contain their passengers? Yes its just a 732 with small loads but surely they still need a check in desk and a bit of seating?
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:52 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
that's what crack and hip hop "culture" will do to a country.
Citation, please. Substantiate your claim with some facts.
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:02 pm

Goodyear wrote:
They don't build 'em like they used to.


Lets hope they do. :lol:
 
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:38 pm

The JT8D's on a 737 are sweet. Haven't seen one in years.

Are these -9's or -17's? Anyone know?
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:45 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
They don't build 'em like they used to - that's what crack and hip hop "culture" will do to a country.


What in the ever loving hell are you talking about?
 
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:52 pm

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This airframe has a quarter the hours as the 747s being retired...


Probably way more cycles though. The 737 doesn't do too many 10 hour flights...

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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:59 pm

Flighty wrote:
There is something to be said for an aircraft or other piece of equipment that Is simple and rugged. Some things do last longer, usually because the maintenance profile is superior. Old washing machines might be an example. It was a perfected technology that can be maintained forever. Rebuild kits cost $20-50. All of a sudden, new circuit board-driven models with hundreds of new failure points were introduced. They are inferior because of their worse maintenance profile (and the fact they don't get clothes clean in the first place). Same thing with refrigerators. Don't get me started on all this "smart home" technology. It is markedly inferior to the technology that came before. Sometimes the commercial world wants you to believe you need a new product. One way is to sell you a flimsy new product that is a piece of trash that will leave you high and dry and in desperate need of another new product. Long term solutions are NOT what most companies want to sell you. They learned that lesson long ago.


What you are actually describing is a phenomenon known as "planned obsolescence". When they first started building and perfecting old washing machines/refrigerators/etc, they realized that they there would basically come a point where everyone had these and would properly maintain them and they would never have to buy another one. They realized this would put them out of business. So they started building things they knew would fail at a certain point and be uneconomical to repair.

What you are missing is that consumers goods have become MUCH cheaper over the past 50 years. So you are probably paying the same, but keep having to buy new things.

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Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:13 pm

Jamie514 wrote:
Sorry this is slightly tangental... Do they still really fly pax from Mirabel? I thought the terminal was demolished. I imagine this would mean Nolinor use space in their own FBO to process and contain their passengers? Yes its just a 732 with small loads but surely they still need a check in desk and a bit of seating?


Nolinor has their own terminal away from the site of the old main terminal with a check in desk on wheels and waiting lounge. The passengers are bussed from this lounge to the front of the Nolinor hangar to board the aircraft. See below:

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Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:20 pm

Goodyear wrote:
They don't build 'em like they used to.



Yes they are all throw away airplanes now just like everything else.
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:08 pm

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I am not sure what is involved with a gravel kit installation. The aircraft in the picture does have the vortex dissipators on the engines, but it does not have the gravel deflector installation on the nose gear. Perhaps it is already rigged for it and it is an easy installation. But, if you have ever seen the nose gear up close, it is quite a set up!


I thought the same thing, in the photo above it has the vortex dissipators but not the ski. It is doable to install, the local airline here did one. The 737-200C here actually had a gravel kit when it was first delivered back in 1984, then it was converted to a "regular" setup, flew like that for many years, and then it was converted back to a gravel airplane when it came to the Yukon. Basically install the ski, do some modifications to the surrounding skin, install new gear doors, and then rig. It's certainly a job, if I remember right it took a couple weeks, but it's doable.

As for the aircraft of this thread, looks like a fantastic find to have a cargo door and gravel kitted 737 with those cycles. One of the biggest problems with the 737-200Cs now is many of them are cycled out, as it seems Boeing doesn't want anything to do with them once they get over 75,000 cycles.
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:12 pm

CanadianNorth wrote:
longhauler wrote:
I am not sure what is involved with a gravel kit installation. The aircraft in the picture does have the vortex dissipators on the engines, but it does not have the gravel deflector installation on the nose gear. Perhaps it is already rigged for it and it is an easy installation. But, if you have ever seen the nose gear up close, it is quite a set up!


I thought the same thing, in the photo above it has the vortex dissipators but not the ski. It is doable to install, the local airline here did one. The 737-200C here actually had a gravel kit when it was first delivered back in 1984, then it was converted to a "regular" setup, flew like that for many years, and then it was converted back to a gravel airplane when it came to the Yukon. Basically install the ski, do some modifications to the surrounding skin, install new gear doors, and then rig. It's certainly a job, if I remember right it took a couple weeks, but it's doable. The rest of the gravel kit is easy, basically just mudflaps on the main gear (they fit in the existing wheel well), the vortex dissipators and associated plumbing (just an extra bleed air duct with an electrically operated open/closed valve), and then some fancy rubbery paint on the inboard flaps.

As for the aircraft of this thread, looks like a fantastic find to have a cargo door and gravel kitted 737 with those cycles. One of the biggest problems with the 737-200Cs now is many of them are cycled out, as it seems Boeing doesn't want anything to do with them once they get over 75,000 cycles.
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:09 am

Looking at their website, Nolinor looks like a cool airline. I didn't know too much of them, just seeing the occasional aircraft every now and then.

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Basically install the ski, do some modifications to the surrounding skin, install new gear doors, and then rig. It's certainly a job, if I remember right it took a couple weeks, but it's doable.

Thanks, I had always wondered about this. I recall the very restrictive speed restrictions and how very cumbersome it was to abide by them. Also ... the "ski" fitted onto the gear lever to remind you, you were on one of "those". :lol:
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:19 am

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They don't build 'em like they used to.

Huh? A new build NEO is good for 60,000cycles or 120,000 hours. The MAX for slightly more.

The market for long haul with a gravel runway is tiny.

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Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:10 am

longhauler wrote:
Looking at their website, Nolinor looks like a cool airline. I didn't know too much of them, just seeing the occasional aircraft every now and then.

CanadianNorth wrote:
Basically install the ski, do some modifications to the surrounding skin, install new gear doors, and then rig. It's certainly a job, if I remember right it took a couple weeks, but it's doable.

Thanks, I had always wondered about this. I recall the very restrictive speed restrictions and how very cumbersome it was to abide by them. Also ... the "ski" fitted onto the gear lever to remind you, you were on one of "those". :lol:


Yeah, it's a bit of a job. Last time we did one a few years ago was done during a HMV, so I don't know how much of the time it was down was due to the gravelkit.

Stole this info from http://www.b737.org.uk/unpavedstripkit.htm
But anyways, it involves...

•Nose-gear gravel deflector to keep gravel off the underbelly.
•Smaller deflectors on the oversized main gear to prevent damage to the flaps.
•Protective metal shields over hydraulic tubing and brake cables on the main gear strut.
•Protective metal shields over speed brake cables.
•Glass fibre reinforced underside of the inboard flaps.
•Metal edge band on elephant ear faring.
•Abrasion resistant Teflon based paint on wing and fuselage undersurfaces.
•Strengthened under-fuselage aerials.
•Retractable anti-collision light.
•Vortex dissipators fitted to the engine nacelles.
•Screens in the wheel well to protect components against damage.
 
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:20 am

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Nolinor has their own terminal away from the site of the old main terminal with a check in desk on wheels and waiting lounge. The passengers are bussed from this lounge to the front of the Nolinor hangar to board the aircraft. See below:

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The old yellow plastic podiums! Classic YMX. :)
Looks like a nice little setup for the operation.
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:47 am

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Lol and there are 757's, 767's, and 747-400's from getting trashed left and right that were all built between '99 and 2004.

They don't build 'em like they used to - that's what crack and hip hop "culture" will do to a country.

I thought you were the one that complained about there being almost no such thing as innovation since the A320. If that is the case, they in fact do build them like they used to. The 737 is about 50 years old, they still make the 737. Unfortunately it is made like it used to be made in many ways still inlcuding much of th poorly designed cockpit that doesn’t even have standard equipment such as power seats or EICAS. In reality though the bigger picture is such that they overall do not build them like the used to, they build them better. An A320 from this decade is a much better plane than one from 1990 despite looking almost exacly the same. Under the hood they are quite different. The same goes for a 737-8 vs this one or a later production example of any type vs an early example.
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I was the Captain on the ferry flight this past weekend from FNLU to CYMX. D2-TBC is a great airplane with a bright future in Canada's North !
 
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:40 am

Another dinosaur got delivered:
Boeing 737-2M8 22776 891 D2-TBO TAAG Angola Airlines Ferried 21-22 June 18 LAD-DSS-SMA-YYT, basic cs, for Nolinor Aviation
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:58 am

Too old, can they renew their planes?
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:26 am

Here is a short (45min) Mighty Planes episode on a Nolinor 737: https://youtu.be/MU4Gs_FUZ7U
 
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:40 pm

juliuswong wrote:
Another dinosaur got delivered:
Boeing 737-2M8 22776 891 D2-TBO TAAG Angola Airlines Ferried 21-22 June 18 LAD-DSS-SMA-YYT, basic cs, for Nolinor Aviation


Here you can see it resting at Santa Maria Airport (SMA)

https://www.facebook.com/aeroportosantamaria/?hc_ref=ARQ4a9nWXUCyd7SLaEJ_hDiLMXESX_YJBgtiWKj8caV8Wjpz1CZDSAda7WWe-DaMUaw&fref=nf


Just scroll down a little.
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:43 pm

SQ789 wrote:
Too old, can they renew their planes?


I can't think of a good replacement of the 732, apart from some Russian/Ukrainian built planes. And I don't know if Nolinor has the capital to buy a new(er) plane.
 
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:10 pm

Are any of those Russian aircraft certified for use in the western world? Do they have FAA, Transport Canada or EASA certification? Nothing wrong with a older aircraft as long as it's maintained to the applicable standards & has life left in it. For those saying it's too old Norllinor is operating in a unique environment where they need the gravel kit doing contract work They are not working in a environment where they need the latest & greatest to be competitive.
 
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:16 pm

Flighty wrote:
There is something to be said for an aircraft or other piece of equipment that Is simple and rugged. Some things do last longer, usually because the maintenance profile is superior. Old washing machines might be an example. It was a perfected technology that can be maintained forever. Rebuild kits cost $20-50. All of a sudden, new circuit board-driven models with hundreds of new failure points were introduced. They are inferior because of their worse maintenance profile (and the fact they don't get clothes clean in the first place). Same thing with refrigerators. Don't get me started on all this "smart home" technology. It is markedly inferior to the technology that came before. Sometimes the commercial world wants you to believe you need a new product. One way is to sell you a flimsy new product that is a piece of trash that will leave you high and dry and in desperate need of another new product. Long term solutions are NOT what most companies want to sell you. They learned that lesson long ago.


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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:20 pm

Canuck600 wrote:
Are any of those Russian aircraft certified for use in the western world? Do they have FAA, Transport Canada or EASA certification? Nothing wrong with a older aircraft as long as it's maintained to the applicable standards & has life left in it. For those saying it's too old Norllinor is operating in a unique environment where they need the gravel kit doing contract work They are not working in a environment where they need the latest & greatest to be competitive.


Definitely considering they're one of the few remaining service providers with jet gravel ops capability. They can cover their higher operating costs by charging a premium as they know their clients have few alternatives. Having said that, I've heard nothing but rave reviews about Nolinor's client service.
 
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Re: Nolinor to put a 41 years old 737-200 in service in 2018

Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:20 pm

Maybe the An-148 is plausible, it is certified viewtopic.php?t=443925

But with the current political situation between Russia and the Ukraine there have been some maintenance issues with this type. An other problem is that, as far as I can find, there are no combi versions available. But if these problems are solved I think it would be a great replacement.

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