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Some unions representing FR pilots in Europe are announcing strikes

Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:18 pm

It looks like the FR pilots across europe took the momentum of the staffing issues at FR and bring their relationship with MoL/FR to the next level.
Italien Union ANPAC announced a 4 hour strike on Dec. 15th.

Italy’s ANPAC, which said it represents 280 of Ryanair’s approximately 4,000 pilots - and 40 percent of those based in Italy - said Ryanair pilots and cabin crew would not work between 1400 and 1800 GMT on Dec. 15.


https://www.reuters.com/article/ryanair ... SL8N1O63MP

Ryanair pilots in Portugal call for industrial actions
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2017/1205 ... -portugal/

With unionisation taking place in Sweden, Portugal, Italy, Spain, Germany an Ireland it looks like MoL's worst nightmare turns into reality.

It didn't took long for FR to answer with the typical threats.

http://www.thejournal.ie/ryanair-strike ... =shortlink
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ssion=true

Interesting times ahead.....
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Re: MoL and the Unions, a poisened relationship.......

Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:36 pm

Dublin based Ryanair pilots voted today also for industrial actions.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/tra ... 9?mode=amp
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Re: MoL and the Unions, a poisened relationship.......

Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:48 pm

Leeeeeeeeettttt's Rumble.

Negotiating employment terms across jurisdictions is absolutely ridiculous. No multinational does that.
 
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Re: MoL and the Unions, a poisened relationship.......

Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:05 pm

leghorn wrote:
Leeeeeeeeettttt's Rumble.

Negotiating employment terms across jurisdictions is absolutely ridiculous. No multinational does that.

Fedex does it...... Don't know about DHL/UPS. Also the US Airlines with overseas crew bases.
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Re: MoL and the Unions, a poisened relationship.......

Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:22 am

Merry Xmas Michael, I'm sure you'll love the gift from the "Lufti Union".
VC announced today industrial actions @ Ryanair. They didn't mention a specific date, in their press announcement they used the term "any time from now " no industrial actions will happen from Dec. 23rd. - Dec 26th.

https://www.vcockpit.de/presse/press...yanair-an.html
Only in German available....
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Re: MoL and the Unions, a poisened relationship.......

Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:55 am

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Re: MoL and the Unions, a poisened relationship.......

Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:52 pm

Irish Ryanair pilots plan to strike on th 20th. of Dec
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/tra ... -1.3324473
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Re: MoL and the Unions, a poisened relationship.......

Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:08 pm

About time! LCC airlines in Europe think they can treat their employees as less as their counterparts but regardless Of the type of service the LIVES ON BOARD count is the same...
 
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Re: MoL and the Unions, a poisened relationship.......

Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:10 pm

I am sure MOL will adjust.
 
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Re: MoL and the Unions, a poisened relationship.......

Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:15 pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/tra ... -1.3324473

"The company warned that any pilots taking part would be in breach of the Dublin base agreement and would lose benefits such as five-days-on, four-days-off rosters.

Is this a normal shift arrangement?
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:23 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/irish-ryanair-pilots-plan-strike-on-december-20th-1.3324473

"The company warned that any pilots taking part would be in breach of the Dublin base agreement and would lose benefits such as five-days-on, four-days-off rosters.

Is this a normal shift arrangement?


Nice way to try and work with your pilots - threaten them. Its about time the chickens came home to roost in regards to their employee practices. I believe other countries are also planning strikes.
 
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Re: MoL and the Unions, a poisened relationship.......

Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:31 pm

anstar wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/irish-ryanair-pilots-plan-strike-on-december-20th-1.3324473

"The company warned that any pilots taking part would be in breach of the Dublin base agreement and would lose benefits such as five-days-on, four-days-off rosters.

Is this a normal shift arrangement?


Nice way to try and work with your pilots - threaten them. Its about time the chickens came home to roost in regards to their employee practices. I believe other countries are also planning strikes.

Unfortunate that's the "FR way" to deal with their most valuable assets. Management by pressure and fear, divide an conquer.....
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Re: MoL and the Unions, a poisened relationship.......

Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:07 pm

Here is a link on that subject from Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ryan ... SKBN1E614F

So we can expect strikes in Ireland, Italy, Portugal and Germany.
 
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Re: Some unions representing FR pilots in Europe are announcing strikes

Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:26 pm

Pilots were a dime a dozen through the 80's 90's and 00's. The financial crisis prolonged the glut and management took it as the 'new normal'. As baby boomers retire and training costs continue to increase, we are moving back into a 50's-60's-70's style labor market.

Norwegian pillaging FR's ranks like a viking earlier this year was just the beginning.
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Re: MoL and the Unions, a poisened relationship.......

Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:27 pm

leghorn wrote:
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Isn’t Teamsters the Teamsters of the sky?

Republic, Horizon, and GoJet are all members of IBT.
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Re: Some unions representing FR pilots in Europe are announcing strikes

Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:35 pm

When I read unions, I realized the divide had succeeded. The fact FR can threaten amazes me.

There needs to be a balance of power. FR pilots are screwed.

Varsity1 wrote:
Pilots were a dime a dozen through the 80's 90's and 00's. The financial crisis prolonged the glut and management took it as the 'new normal'. As baby boomers retire and training costs continue to increase, we are moving back into a 50's-60's-70's style labor market.

Norwegian pillaging FR's ranks like a viking earlier this year was just the beginning.

It amazes me how long there was a pilot glut.

Nitpick, until the middle/late 1950s there was also a glut.

I work with so many pilots who took desk jobs as that was how they supported a family.

Norwegian will keep pillaging...

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Re: Some unions representing FR pilots in Europe are announcing strikes

Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:57 pm

lightsaber wrote:
When I read unions, I realized the divide had succeeded. The fact FR can threaten amazes me.

There needs to be a balance of power. FR pilots are screwed.

Lightsaber

Yepp, they are screwed and not only the pilots. Because of the devide and conquer game FR is playing with them.
If the direct employees don't accept the T&C's, the contractors won't get any payrise (recently happend in STN).
Forced leave, working for a certain time in another country and FR won't pay relocation, hotel and meals...... The list goes on.

I hope that the pilots take their momentum and stick together. At the end of the day it's now or never.
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Re: Some unions representing FR pilots in Europe are announcing strikes

Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:32 pm

Well, Ryanair has had this coming for awhile. While I've never flown them, I have worked as a union site rep in my own field. The actions that Ryanair has taken over the years are earily familiar to how my employer treated us, and it did result in a strike. It wasn't so much about pay, although that was one of several factors, but rather more about the treatment, the disdain that management felt for the average worker, lack of respect, etc. Whenever I read about Ryanair, I tend to see the same attitudes and opinions from their management.

For everyone who often bashes unions, remember, unions usually don't form as long as the owner is treating the worker halfway decently. They tend to form when there allegations (real or imagined) of unfairness and contempt. Yes, money is a factor - it always is. However, there are also other issues commonly at play. I tend to think that FR may well have a real problem on its hands here. Time to rock and roll.
 
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Re: Some unions representing FR pilots in Europe are announcing strikes

Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:37 am

Good. Ryanair treats their "employees" terribly with no respect whatsoever. I hope the strike hurts them. The airline industry is a people business - their biggest competitor knows this yet MOL seems steadfast in trying to to learn that.
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Re: Some unions representing FR pilots in Europe are announcing strikes

Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:42 am

Ryanair have announced that they now will recognize unions.

"DUBLIN (Reuters) - Ryanair on Friday announced that it would recognize pilot unions for the first time in its 32-year history in a bid to stop the
first pilot strike in its history from taking place later in the day."

https://money.usnews.com/investing/news ... top-strike
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... isruptions
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Re: Some unions representing FR pilots in Europe are announcing strikes

Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:37 am

Aptivaboy wrote:
For everyone who often bashes unions, remember, unions usually don't form as long as the owner is treating the worker halfway decently. They tend to form when there allegations (real or imagined) of unfairness and contempt.

I'm not sure LH would agree with that statement when thinking about VC :roll:
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Re: Some unions representing FR pilots in Europe are announcing strikes

Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:56 am

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
Ryanair have announced that they now will recognize unions.

"DUBLIN (Reuters) - Ryanair on Friday announced that it would recognize pilot unions for the first time in its 32-year history in a bid to stop the
first pilot strike in its history from taking place later in the day."

https://money.usnews.com/investing/news ... top-strike
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... isruptions

Didn't expect that so fast.....
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Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:15 am

ExDubai wrote:
leghorn wrote:
Leeeeeeeeettttt's Rumble.

Negotiating employment terms across jurisdictions is absolutely ridiculous. No multinational does that.

Fedex does it...... Don't know about DHL/UPS. Also the US Airlines with overseas crew bases.
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UA used to have overseas FA crew bases in SIN and BKK who were not represented by the AFA. They got shafted twice, once after 9/11 and then in the financial crisis in 2007/8 - where they were all laid off (TWICE). FA crew bases in HKG/NRT/LHR/FRA all belonged to the AFA union so SIN and BKK FA bases got booted first before any AFA member. Regardless, I don't think the US Government would allow any of the US3's workers, unionized or not, to strike. They are just too big now. AA and DL I cannot talk to. pmUA and pmCO FA groups are finally merging into one work group with consistent rules and cross-fleeting at last - more than 5 years after the merger!
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Re: MoL and the Unions, a poisened relationship.......

Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:17 pm

leghorn wrote:
Leeeeeeeeettttt's Rumble.

Negotiating employment terms across jurisdictions is absolutely ridiculous. No multinational does that.


If you treat your employees like crap in every country, this is what happens.
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Re: Some unions representing FR pilots in Europe are announcing strikes

Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:11 pm

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
Ryanair have announced that they now will recognize unions.

"DUBLIN (Reuters) - Ryanair on Friday announced that it would recognize pilot unions for the first time in its 32-year history in a bid to stop the
first pilot strike in its history from taking place later in the day."

https://money.usnews.com/investing/news ... top-strike
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... isruptions


For this subject there is now a specific thread:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1381159
 
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Re: Some unions representing FR pilots in Europe are announcing strikes

Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:13 pm

Long way to go yet. Will enjoy watching this.
 
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Re: Some unions representing FR pilots in Europe are announcing strikes

Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:58 pm

German FR pilots on strike tommorow from 05:00-09:00 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/vcockpit/sta ... 2864625667
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