SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

H3w1tt wrote:

What was the reason for them withdrawing service from IAD? Was it just not profitable?

The cities thy served from IAD were EAS cities, and the DOT picked another airline for service.

Oh gotcha. So do they no longer codeshare with UA?

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

H3w1tt wrote:

What was the reason for them withdrawing service from IAD? Was it just not profitable?

The cities thy served from IAD were EAS cities, and the DOT picked another airline for service.

Oh gotcha. So do they no longer codeshare with UA?

H3w1tt wrote:

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

H3w1tt wrote:

What was the reason for them withdrawing service from IAD? Was it just not profitable?

The cities thy served from IAD were EAS cities, and the DOT picked another airline for service.

Oh gotcha. So do they no longer codeshare with UA?

Correct, in the schedules they are listed as 3M, they are considered their own airline. But you can connect to their flights from United as well as JetBlue (might be missing others) with their partnership agreement.

H3w1tt wrote:

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

H3w1tt wrote:

What was the reason for them withdrawing service from IAD? Was it just not profitable?

The cities thy served from IAD were EAS cities, and the DOT picked another airline for service.

Oh gotcha. So do they no longer codeshare with UA?

United and Silver still codeshare, but Silver is no longer a United Express partner.

WaywardMemphian wrote:

msycajun wrote:

Silver Airways has been quiet lately since announcing its order for 20 ATR-42-600s. In a recent Facebook promotion it hinted at a forthcoming announcement of new Caribbean and Southeast US routes. It also asked which of the following routes would one be most likely to fly in the future:

TPA-CHS/GSP, MCO-CHS/GSP/HSV/BKG, and JAX-ORF/MSY

Has anyone heard when such an announcement might be made?

How has the fleet transition/pilot training been going?

Any ideas as to other potential routes?

As for MSY, there are several routes in the 300-600 mile range that I think would do well for them:
JAX and CHS at about 50 PDEW
OKC, TUL at about 40
GSP, RSW, CRP, and SDF between 25-40 pdew
Plus former GLO routes LIT, SHV, and MEM, which mostly compete against driving

They would be welcome at XNA especially MSY, BKG/Orlando would fill the gap left after Southwest killed the Sat only flight Air Tran was rather successful on with a 717. But Allegiant has Springfield and NWA on that route. XNA to VPS could work seasonally.

Well, Allegiant added the XNA/VPS route. Silver announced the Huntsville/MCO route. Is BKG/MCO next for Sliver. To be honest, BKG/MCO with a no plane change stop in Huntsville makes total sense for BKG.

Other routes like that:
TUL/SHV or LIT/MSY
XNA/MEM/MSY

Good to see Silver grow out of Florida again. Surprised it will be with an ATR. Brand new plane, and it will be sitting in Huntsville from 730pm until after 9am the next day.

I'd be surprised if they did much one-stop routing without significant O&D on both legs. With props it's not much faster than connecting at a hub and G4 is doing 4 weekly nonstop XNA-SFB this summer. I can't imagine there would be much demand for a BKG-HSV or TUL-SHV/LIT flight so it would be dependent on connections.

Looking at the HSV-MCO schedule, it appears that it is an HSV RON, but there would be time for the ATR to fly to another airport and RON there, so I guess BKG-HSV-MCO isn't totally implausible. Will be interesting to see what gets announced in the coming weeks.

...Allegiant announces HSV-SFB in how many days 5,4,3,2,1?

msycajun wrote:

I'd be surprised if they did much one-stop routing without significant O&D on both legs. With props it's not much faster than connecting at a hub and G4 is doing 4 weekly nonstop XNA-SFB this summer. I can't imagine there would be much demand for a BKG-HSV or TUL-SHV/LIT flight so it would be dependent on connections.

Looking at the HSV-MCO schedule, it appears that it is an HSV RON, but there would be time for the ATR to fly to another airport and RON there, so I guess BKG-HSV-MCO isn't totally implausible. Will be interesting to see what gets announced in the coming weeks.

Huntsville is the type of demographic that Branson Tourism appeals to.

BKG is just outside of the supposed full load range to MCO. That's why I suggested that and it's pretty much a perfect flight pattern. If they are going to fly out of MSY, MEM seems like low hanging fruit for a roomy turboprop with the 46 seat configuration instead of the 48 or 50 ones.

I could easily see a try at BKG/MEM/MSY. MEM would be the primary driver for each leg with some possible pull power for BKG to MSY from NWA and Springfield.

When are the new ATRs going to enter the fleet? Should be sometime this year right?

evank516 wrote:

When are the new ATRs going to enter the fleet? Should be sometime this year right?

Well HSV-MCO is scheduled to start May 23 on an ATR, so for sure by then, but I'd expect there to be some trial flights through existing stations before then.

YTZ-MLB 3:15

RJNUT wrote:

...Allegiant announces HSV-SFB in how many days 5,4,3,2,1?

Why would Allegiant announce Orlando? G4 isnt a reactive airline.

Silver Airways did Buy Seaborne Airlines... I wonder if they will start flights to Hilton Head.

Has anyone seen their ATR yet?

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

H3w1tt wrote:

What was the reason for them withdrawing service from IAD? Was it just not profitable?

The cities thy served from IAD were EAS cities, and the DOT picked another airline for service.

I thought they chose to close IAD to add the failed Cuba service.

they didn't chose to end IAD, they were kinda kicked out.

usxguy wrote:

they didn't chose to end IAD, they were kinda kicked out.

Care to expand on this? I always just assumed that they lost their EAS contracts or something.

WaywardMemphian wrote:

msycajun wrote:

I'd be surprised if they did much one-stop routing without significant O&D on both legs. With props it's not much faster than connecting at a hub and G4 is doing 4 weekly nonstop XNA-SFB this summer. I can't imagine there would be much demand for a BKG-HSV or TUL-SHV/LIT flight so it would be dependent on connections.

Looking at the HSV-MCO schedule, it appears that it is an HSV RON, but there would be time for the ATR to fly to another airport and RON there, so I guess BKG-HSV-MCO isn't totally implausible. Will be interesting to see what gets announced in the coming weeks.

Huntsville is the type of demographic that Branson Tourism appeals to.

Space and defense folks like Branson? That's a new one on me.

Allegiant tried HSV several years ago and left,saying they couldnt make it work.Maybe if they had not canceled so many flights,HSV-MCO goes back to 1963 with Eastern Electras.The space race was wide open and by 167 we were filling up two 727s five days a week.I Silver will maintain reliable service they can make a go of it.

N415XJ wrote:

usxguy wrote:

they didn't chose to end IAD, they were kinda kicked out.

Care to expand on this? I always just assumed that they lost their EAS contracts or something.

Every single community served by Silver was requesting a new airline. So when they all went out for bid, Silver wasn't selected for a single market.

evank516 wrote:

When are the new ATRs going to enter the fleet? Should be sometime this year right?

F9Animal wrote:

Has anyone seen their ATR yet?

Skyliner Aviation reported that ATR42-600 MSN1216 was ferried to Toulouse Francazal for painting prior to delivery as N401SV.
That was on the 1st of this month, so it can’t be too far from rolling out the paintshop.

usxguy wrote:

N415XJ wrote:

usxguy wrote:

they didn't chose to end IAD, they were kinda kicked out.

Care to expand on this? I always just assumed that they lost their EAS contracts or something.

Every single community served by Silver was requesting a new airline. So when they all went out for bid, Silver wasn't selected for a single market.

and many of those landed VIA Air and that IS NOT working out for them. a few others went with Southern Express , so so results

DashTrash wrote:

WaywardMemphian wrote:

msycajun wrote:

I'd be surprised if they did much one-stop routing without significant O&D on both legs. With props it's not much faster than connecting at a hub and G4 is doing 4 weekly nonstop XNA-SFB this summer. I can't imagine there would be much demand for a BKG-HSV or TUL-SHV/LIT flight so it would be dependent on connections.

Looking at the HSV-MCO schedule, it appears that it is an HSV RON, but there would be time for the ATR to fly to another airport and RON there, so I guess BKG-HSV-MCO isn't totally implausible. Will be interesting to see what gets announced in the coming weeks.

Huntsville is the type of demographic that Branson Tourism appeals to.

Space and defense folks like Branson? That's a new one on me.

BKG just got Frontier which will start DEN service in June. They had this service a while back actually.

DashTrash wrote:

WaywardMemphian wrote:

msycajun wrote:

I'd be surprised if they did much one-stop routing without significant O&D on both legs. With props it's not much faster than connecting at a hub and G4 is doing 4 weekly nonstop XNA-SFB this summer. I can't imagine there would be much demand for a BKG-HSV or TUL-SHV/LIT flight so it would be dependent on connections.

Looking at the HSV-MCO schedule, it appears that it is an HSV RON, but there would be time for the ATR to fly to another airport and RON there, so I guess BKG-HSV-MCO isn't totally implausible. Will be interesting to see what gets announced in the coming weeks.

Huntsville is the type of demographic that Branson Tourism appeals to.

Space and defense folks like Branson? That's a new one on me.

Frontier is begining DEN service in the Summer. They had it a while back.

XNA2ASG wrote:

DashTrash wrote:

WaywardMemphian wrote:

Huntsville is the type of demographic that Branson Tourism appeals to.

Space and defense folks like Branson? That's a new one on me.

BKG just got Frontier which will start DEN service in June. They had this service a while back actually.

Yup, I think they had it when the airport opened. They were the second carrier to sign on after AirTran.

DashTrash wrote:

WaywardMemphian wrote:

msycajun wrote:

I'd be surprised if they did much one-stop routing without significant O&D on both legs. With props it's not much faster than connecting at a hub and G4 is doing 4 weekly nonstop XNA-SFB this summer. I can't imagine there would be much demand for a BKG-HSV or TUL-SHV/LIT flight so it would be dependent on connections.

Looking at the HSV-MCO schedule, it appears that it is an HSV RON, but there would be time for the ATR to fly to another airport and RON there, so I guess BKG-HSV-MCO isn't totally implausible. Will be interesting to see what gets announced in the coming weeks.

Huntsville is the type of demographic that Branson Tourism appeals to.

Space and defense folks like Branson? That's a new one on me.

Tourism demo, White and conservative
Ever been inside a Bass Pro? If you had you'd know.
Branson is just like Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg

Plus Huntsville just landed a big new Mazda/Toyota plant.

Boeing has a substantial defense and space presence in both Huntsville and St. Louis. Link HSV to STL, much like EA used to fly MCO-HSV-STL-SEA. (I know, I know, these aren't the days of Apollo missions.)

If Silver is extending their network to HSV, the concept of a 1-stop and RON somewhere other than BKG is possible. Not sure MCO-HSV-BKG would work. Perhaps a smaller destination without MCO non-stop. LIT/LEX/EVV come to mind. And while G4 flies all non-stop to SFB, I believe at least LIT/EVV are less than daily. In that scenario price would be biggest factor- otherwise connection at ATL or CLT would be more convenient and timely. Not much O&D from HSV to any of those destinations (including BKG), it would just allow Silver to fill seats. Real benefit would have to be MCO.

HSV is dominated by government O&D and high fares- some significant leakage to BNA/BHM for cost conscious travelers. And while these excursions are interesting to ponder, more likely outcome is Delta matches price and Silver pulls out after 6 months. As previously posted HSV-MCO has been tried before in recent history (Allegiant and Air Tran). Could the entrance of 48 daily seats and lower price stimulate enough demand? Delta is king in HSV- and as often happens their SkyMiles members would take advantage of price match but continue to connect in ATL.

MILakes wrote:

If Silver is extending their network to HSV, the concept of a 1-stop and RON somewhere other than BKG is possible. Not sure MCO-HSV-BKG would work. Perhaps a smaller destination without MCO non-stop. LIT/LEX/EVV come to mind. And while G4 flies all non-stop to SFB, I believe at least LIT/EVV are less than daily. In that scenario price would be biggest factor- otherwise connection at ATL or CLT would be more convenient and timely. Not much O&D from HSV to any of those destinations (including BKG), it would just allow Silver to fill seats. Real benefit would have to be MCO.

HSV is dominated by government O&D and high fares- some significant leakage to BNA/BHM for cost conscious travelers. And while these excursions are interesting to ponder, more likely outcome is Delta matches price and Silver pulls out after 6 months. As previously posted HSV-MCO has been tried before in recent history (Allegiant and Air Tran). Could the entrance of 48 daily seats and lower price stimulate enough demand? Delta is king in HSV- and as often happens their SkyMiles members would take advantage of price match but continue to connect in ATL.

If they go to MSY like they, themselves put out there. I can totally see MYS/LIT/XNA, MYS/SHV/OKC or TUL
and MYS/MEM/STL. I can even see routes like MEM/TYS/RDU. With lots of companies, price is the #1 factor when booking .

According to this article, the order is 16 42s and 4 72s. The 72s have more range. Is this the plane for the possible BKG service they hinted?

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/atr-re- ... ways-deal/

evank516 wrote:

XNA2ASG wrote:

DashTrash wrote:

Space and defense folks like Branson? That's a new one on me.

BKG just got Frontier which will start DEN service in June. They had this service a while back actually.

Yup, I think they had it when the airport opened. They were the second carrier to sign on after AirTran.

Sun Country was the first Carrier at BKG in 2009, Frontier came in year 2. It was cut when they really trimmed back Den in 2104 or 2015. They just a couple of months earlier went Daily on DEN/BKG. That last year before Southwest Bailed and then Frontier, BKG had hit 130,000+ enplanements. Service started at this airport in the depths of the Great Depression. It's a neat little airport with a "floating Runway" in the hills.
https://goo.gl/images/vyRJpR

WaywardMemphian wrote:

According to this article, the order is 16 42s and 4 72s. The 72s have more range. Is this the plane for the possible BKG service they hinted?

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/atr-re- ... ways-deal/

Sure it may have the range, but it's even slower than the 42. You're talking about a 3.5 hour flight at least. At that point, it doesn't save much time, if any, over connecting at ATL.

crownvic wrote:

This thread is just one of many bringing a problem to the table for many airlines and cities that do not qualify for larger equipment. The Dash 8 100/200 and SAABs flying today, are all reaching the end of their useful lives and there really is not a single western design in the 30-50 seat class around to replace it. While used 50 seat jets do have higher operating costs, their acquisition costs are very low right now. However, that would be a band aid only as these a/c are also ageing.

What does this mean? A lot cities over the next few year period are going to lose air service if a replacement aircraft does not appear. The chances of that happening are pretty much nil right now. Embraer seems to be the only one in talks to develop a fresh new 50 seat class turboprop.

Back in the 70s/80s, most cities were accessible with so many aircraft types being handed down from the larger airlines like CV-440/580, Martins, F-27/FH227, DC-3 and newer Dash 7 types. As the Dash 8s, SAABs and Dorniers entered the market along with the new 50 seat RJs/ERJs, there were replacements for the older types. Now there is nothing.

Maybe the Cessna Skycourier will help out with that need.

WaywardMemphian,

Yes, I am aware of this. I live in the NWA area. I visited BKG in May when ViaAir had service. There was a diverted SWA 737-300 there too due to a pressurization issue on the way from BWI-OKC.

WaywardMemphian wrote:

msycajun wrote:

I'd be surprised if they did much one-stop routing without significant O&D on both legs. With props it's not much faster than connecting at a hub and G4 is doing 4 weekly nonstop XNA-SFB this summer. I can't imagine there would be much demand for a BKG-HSV or TUL-SHV/LIT flight so it would be dependent on connections.

Looking at the HSV-MCO schedule, it appears that it is an HSV RON, but there would be time for the ATR to fly to another airport and RON there, so I guess BKG-HSV-MCO isn't totally implausible. Will be interesting to see what gets announced in the coming weeks.

Huntsville is the type of demographic that Branson Tourism appeals to.

BKG is just outside of the supposed full load range to MCO. That's why I suggested that and it's pretty much a perfect flight pattern. If they are going to fly out of MSY, MEM seems like low hanging fruit for a roomy turboprop with the 46 seat configuration instead of the 48 or 50 ones.

I could easily see a try at BKG/MEM/MSY. MEM would be the primary driver for each leg with some possible pull power for BKG to MSY from NWA and Springfield.

Or LIT too. I think GLO had LIT-VPS but I may be wrong.

I'm seeing availability for Silver Airways to Branson from IAH and ORD via the United web site. Service looks to start June 27.

Flight 180 is scheduled to depart IAH at 9:50 am and arrive in Branson at 11:05 am. The same aircraft appears to continue at 3M 181 departing at 11:40 am and arriving ORD at 1:40 pm.

3M 182 departs ORD at 2:20 pm and arrives Branson at 4:20 pm, then 3M 183 departs Branson at 4:55 pm arriving IAH at 6:55 pm.

Anyone know if Silver is going to be scheduling any additional IAH service?

What will the first ATR flight be?

What is the first ATR flight?

GFB wrote:

I'm seeing availability for Silver Airways to Branson from IAH and ORD via the United web site. Service looks to start June 27.

Flight 180 is scheduled to depart IAH at 9:50 am and arrive in Branson at 11:05 am. The same aircraft appears to continue at 3M 181 departing at 11:40 am and arriving ORD at 1:40 pm.

3M 182 departs ORD at 2:20 pm and arrives Branson at 4:20 pm, then 3M 183 departs Branson at 4:55 pm arriving IAH at 6:55 pm.

Anyone know if Silver is going to be scheduling any additional IAH service?

I am not seeing that service listed on united.com nor Silver airways website?

RJNUT wrote:

GFB wrote:

I'm seeing availability for Silver Airways to Branson from IAH and ORD via the United web site. Service looks to start June 27.

Flight 180 is scheduled to depart IAH at 9:50 am and arrive in Branson at 11:05 am. The same aircraft appears to continue at 3M 181 departing at 11:40 am and arriving ORD at 1:40 pm.

3M 182 departs ORD at 2:20 pm and arrives Branson at 4:20 pm, then 3M 183 departs Branson at 4:55 pm arriving IAH at 6:55 pm.

Anyone know if Silver is going to be scheduling any additional IAH service?

I am not seeing that service listed on united.com nor Silver airways website?

You have to search using award availability. It only comes up that way.

GFB wrote:

RJNUT wrote:

GFB wrote:

I'm seeing availability for Silver Airways to Branson from IAH and ORD via the United web site. Service looks to start June 27.

Flight 180 is scheduled to depart IAH at 9:50 am and arrive in Branson at 11:05 am. The same aircraft appears to continue at 3M 181 departing at 11:40 am and arriving ORD at 1:40 pm.

3M 182 departs ORD at 2:20 pm and arrives Branson at 4:20 pm, then 3M 183 departs Branson at 4:55 pm arriving IAH at 6:55 pm.

Anyone know if Silver is going to be scheduling any additional IAH service?

I am not seeing that service listed on united.com nor Silver airways website?

You have to search using award availability. It only comes up that way.

Fascinating! NICE FIND!

beefstew25 wrote:

Northwest1988 wrote:

Porter flies seasonal Toronto- Melbourne, FL. That’s got to be one of the longest!

Flies right over the condo. Long ass flight.

Three hours and 25 minutes trapped on a rattletrap vibrating mess of a Dash 8 400 ... no way. That's insane.

GFB wrote:

I'm seeing availability for Silver Airways to Branson from IAH and ORD via the United web site. Service looks to start June 27.

Flight 180 is scheduled to depart IAH at 9:50 am and arrive in Branson at 11:05 am. The same aircraft appears to continue at 3M 181 departing at 11:40 am and arriving ORD at 1:40 pm.

3M 182 departs ORD at 2:20 pm and arrives Branson at 4:20 pm, then 3M 183 departs Branson at 4:55 pm arriving IAH at 6:55 pm.

Anyone know if Silver is going to be scheduling any additional IAH service?

Interesting find. TLH has been trying to get IAH service for a while. Maybe 3M can use TLH to route the aircraft to IAH for the BKG flights.

it appears that they had considered this similar pattern to ORD/IAH when making this EAS Proposal to Harrison, AR just down the road from Branson in 2016 (using Saabs!)

http://harrisondaily.com/news/silver-ai ... ea3f2.html

msycajun wrote:

Silver Airways has been quiet lately since announcing its order for 20 ATR-42-600s. In a recent Facebook promotion it hinted at a forthcoming announcement of new Caribbean and Southeast US routes. It also asked which of the following routes would one be most likely to fly in the future:

TPA-CHS/GSP, MCO-CHS/GSP/HSV/BKG, and JAX-ORF/MSY

Has anyone heard when such an announcement might be made?

How has the fleet transition/pilot training been going?

Any ideas as to other potential routes?

As for MSY, there are several routes in the 300-600 mile range that I think would do well for them:
JAX and CHS at about 50 PDEW
OKC, TUL at about 40
GSP, RSW, CRP, and SDF between 25-40 pdew
Plus former GLO routes LIT, SHV, and MEM, which mostly compete against driving

Why would you go from one resort area to another resort area.

F27500 wrote:

beefstew25 wrote:

Northwest1988 wrote:

Porter flies seasonal Toronto- Melbourne, FL. That’s got to be one of the longest!

Flies right over the condo. Long ass flight.

Three hours and 25 minutes trapped on a rattletrap vibrating mess of a Dash 8 400 ... no way. That's insane.

are they doing that without restrictions? I thought the 400 tapped out at 2.5 hours or so

The only airline to order ATR 72-600 and the ATR 42-600? Many airline outside the US already operated these types.

DaufuskieGuy wrote:

F27500 wrote:

beefstew25 wrote:

Flies right over the condo. Long ass flight.

Three hours and 25 minutes trapped on a rattletrap vibrating mess of a Dash 8 400 ... no way. That's insane.

are they doing that without restrictions? I thought the 400 tapped out at 2.5 hours or so

.. even that's an hour too long.

Northwest1988 wrote:

What about Hilton Head Island HXD? American Eagle is the only operator there. The Dash 8s are supposed to be completely retired next year and unless the runway is extended to accommodate regional jets, they will be without service. Could silver come in and find a way to sustain airline service to the island?

AA is going to be sending E175s after the Dash 8s are retired.