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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:59 pm

a new Branson based route map has been added to Silver Airways website. I believe there has already been discussion of IAH and ORD added but this also shows MSY.

https://www.silverairways.com/more-info ... /route-map
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:25 pm

BKG-MSY is a bit of a surprise, but not completely - Branson Air Express flew the route just a few years ago. It's also probably the best point geographically from which to rotate planes and crews through the network. I would imagine MSY-JAX and maybe TLH, MCO, RSW, or PBI to be added.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:33 pm

MSY was a route Elite flew 2 summers ago and seemed to do OK. It actually was operated by Orange Air on an MD-80 for awhile as a CVG-BKG-MSY-CUN route but Orange decided to park the MD-80 and Elite hastily had to take over and operated BKG-MSY-CUN.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:44 pm

msycajun wrote:
BKG-MSY is a bit of a surprise, but not completely - Branson Air Express flew the route just a few years ago. It's also probably the best point geographically from which to rotate planes and crews through the network. I would imagine MSY-JAX and maybe TLH, MCO, RSW, or PBI to be added.

Yes I was wondering what city they would rotate thru., I thought maybe HSV, but I guess we will find out. I doubt deadheading would ever happen. JAX-MSY would be a good choice for that purpose in addition to good O/D
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:53 pm

MSY-EYW, with all-you-care-to-drink served on board.

Do it, Silver. :drunk:
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:08 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
MSY-EYW, with all-you-care-to-drink served on board.

Do it, Silver. :drunk:


If that happens, the flight crews will know me on a first name basis!

I think we'll see at least one route from MSY connected to the main Silver network. I really can't see PNS (everyone drives this, only three hours), TLH (low demand), TPA (too much competition), MCO (too much competition). JAX makes sense from an O&D perspective, but not much in the way of network connectivity...so, who knows?
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:13 pm

I wonder if we would ever see service back to MTH (Marathon, FL). Airport hasn't see service since 2008. Really wish it would come back. I will date myself here, I used to fly STL-MIA on TW and then MIA-MTH on the long gone Air Sunshine and the PBA using DC-3. Hate driving down through the Keys from MIA now.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:19 pm

The area around MTH is just sort of dead. With lower fares to South Florida nearly everyone going to the upper and middle keys drives. Getting TSA back at MTH may also be an issue.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:25 pm

drdisque wrote:
The area around MTH is just sort of dead. With lower fares to South Florida nearly everyone going to the upper and middle keys drives. Getting TSA back at MTH may also be an issue.


We have the new customs and immigration facility. Too bad they can't be used. And don't be bashing MTH. :box: I'll fight you. lol
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:30 pm

Looks like ORF will be added soon:

(from Silver's website:)
In the spring of 2018, we widened our focus to include other exciting destinations in the Southeast US, including Huntsville, Alabama, New Orleans, Louisiana, and Norfolk, Virginia.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 pm

msycajun wrote:
Looks like ORF will be added soon:

(from Silver's website:)
In the spring of 2018, we widened our focus to include other exciting destinations in the Southeast US, including Huntsville, Alabama, New Orleans, Louisiana, and Norfolk, Virginia.


ORF-JAX makes sense given the US Navy connections.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:36 pm

As does ORF-TPA, which was long served by WN. But that would be a hell of a long flight on their ATRs.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:33 pm

Official News Release out:
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180327006077/en/Silver-Airways-Announces-Daily-Nonstop-Service-Branson

Looking at the site, they seem to be separating BKG bookings from the rest of the Florida/Bahamas network. They link to http://flysilverbkg.com/ which redirects to UA's site to book codeshare flights out of BKG.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:15 pm

RJNUT wrote:
msycajun wrote:
Official News Release out:
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180327006077/en/Silver-Airways-Announces-Daily-Nonstop-Service-Branson

Looking at the site, they seem to be separating BKG bookings from the rest of the Florida/Bahamas network. They link to http://flysilverbkg.com/ which redirects to UA's site to book codeshare flights out of BKG.

I did a dummy booking from Houston to Branson in Sep. and it did NOT direct me to UA website. No codeshare seemed apparent . It booked right on Silver website as a Silver Airways flight number

It depends. If you book on of the nonstops (bolded) keeps you on Silver’s site. If you try and book BKG to any other airport not served nonstop it redirects you to UA’s website. Silver airways’ main website only lets you book flights on Silver’s flights between Silver’s cities. Their deal with BKG probably required them to be more flexible in how they allow passengers to book.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:17 pm

msycajun wrote:
Official News Release out:
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180327006077/en/Silver-Airways-Announces-Daily-Nonstop-Service-Branson

Looking at the site, they seem to be separating BKG bookings from the rest of the Florida/Bahamas network. They link to http://flysilverbkg.com/ which redirects to UA's site to book codeshare flights out of BKG.

I did a dummy booking from Houston to Branson in Sep. and it did NOT direct me to UA website. No codeshare seemed apparent . It booked right on Silver website as a Silver Airways flight number
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:19 pm

^^^^ I might add if you are going from Branson beyond Houston or Chicago onto the UA network I think it will take then you to the UA website to book the interline connection
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:27 pm

It could be an opportunity for Silver to step into GLO's market since they're down for the foreseeable future.
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:34 pm

deltadudejg wrote:
It could be an opportunity for Silver to step into GLO's market since they're down for the foreseeable future.

this also ties in with the question from what city will they rotate the ATR's into the Branson network? I assume deadheading is the least palatable option . MSY could work well ,as others have mentioned, maybe JAX-MSY on the ATR.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:52 pm

The flight schedule for MSY makes it seem like something else is in the works - it arrives in MSY from BKG at 1347, yet MSY-BKG departs at 1310.
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:59 pm

I'll say it again, I really see long overdue potential still in "intra-Florida" routes. These routes were always flown, and by more than 1 carrier many years ago. Everyone says just drive but the drive sucks, and if say they code share with B6, connecting RSW ,PGD,SRQ or atleast 1 or 2 of them to FLL immediately makes B6 a choice here in SW Florida, where they currently are not unless you are going to NYC or BOS.
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:10 pm

Any chance of them making a play in DEN to grab ZKs routes?
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:11 pm

SunsetLimited wrote:
The flight schedule for MSY makes it seem like something else is in the works - it arrives in MSY from BKG at 1347, yet MSY-BKG departs at 1310.


Good catch! Those timings defintiely imply some sort of inbound positioning/revenue flight from elsewhere
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:58 pm

I had read in Airliner World that Silver was expecting delivery of their first ATR the latter part of this month. This week, one evening at dusk I would swear I saw an ATR42 departing TPA. It was a high wing propjet, with white flashing strobe lights on each wingtip and on the tailcone.
It was too dark to note any colors but clicked that possibly it had been in TPA for routine route proving, crew training or last minute delivery items,
It was light enough to determine it was not a Saab.
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:26 pm

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I wonder if we would ever see service back to MTH (Marathon, FL). Airport hasn't see service since 2008. Really wish it would come back. I will date myself here, I used to fly STL-MIA on TW and then MIA-MTH on the long gone Air Sunshine and the PBA using DC-3. Hate driving down through the Keys from MIA now.


The drive down has gotten worse that's for sure. But there are more seats in EYW than there used to be, and they seem to be able to get a premium yield. The Silver station manager told me the station is very profitable. But I would imagine from Islamorada north it's easier to drive to MIA/FLL.
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:00 pm

flybaby wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
ORF-JAX makes sense given the US Navy connections.


Yeah, WN used to fly this route 2x daily for years.

However, it would be over 2 hours in a prop. I dunno about that.


All of the recent adds by Silver have been flights over 2 hours, so they must not be worried about that.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:03 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
ORF-JAX makes sense given the US Navy connections.


Yeah, WN used to fly this route 2x daily for years.

However, it would be over 2 hours in a prop. I dunno about that.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:21 pm

flybaby wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
ORF-JAX makes sense given the US Navy connections.


Yeah, WN used to fly this route 2x daily for years.

However, it would be over 2 hours in a prop. I dunno about that.


Well G4 just announced JAX-ORF 2 weekly starting in June. I wonder if that changes 3M's plans, assuming they were seriously considering the route.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:45 pm

msycajun wrote:
flybaby wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
ORF-JAX makes sense given the US Navy connections.


Yeah, WN used to fly this route 2x daily for years.

However, it would be over 2 hours in a prop. I dunno about that.


Well G4 just announced JAX-ORF 2 weekly starting in June. I wonder if that changes 3M's plans, assuming they were seriously considering the route.


Yeah, I just heard about that. Looks like seasonal service. Hopefully they make it year round at some point. It was a bit weird that when Allegiant went into RIC they started with service to JAX, which they eventually stopped but when they went into ORF they started with service to all the major metro areas in Fla. except JAX (although JAX would make a lot more sense from ORF than from RIC).

I don’t see much chance for Silver to compete; their prices are usually higher than G4’s and they use props.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue May 08, 2018 2:42 pm

From the website, looks like the start of HSV-MCO has been delayed to Sept 13. That's a big hit, not starting in time for the busy summer season. I'd think it would almost be better to wait until the holidays or spring. This also explains the cancellation or delay of MCO-FPO reported in the OAG thread as it was same plane HSV-MCO-FPO.

Also seeing BOS-BHB showing up - website is still be updated, appears to be twice daily. Here's the BHB press release: http://bhbairport.com/BHB%20Press%20release_050418.pdf
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue May 08, 2018 3:33 pm

I know it’s a long shot but I’d like them to try MSY-OKC. The route is just small enough that WN wouldn’t attempt a nonstop, but still large enough that it would probably profitably fill an ATR.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:21 pm

Did some searching and found this which must be the reason for the delay of the start of revenue ATR service:
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=FAA-2018-0324-0003
Description of Relief Sought: Silver Airways LLC petitioned the Federal Aviation Administration for an exemption from § 121.1119(b) of Title 14, Code of Federal Regulations. The proposed exemption, if granted, would allow Silver Airways to operate its ATR 42-500 and ATR 72-212A aircraft without a means to prevent fuel tank explosions caused by the propagation of flames from outside the fuel tank vents into the fuel tank vapor spaces until a flame arrestor can be developed for new aircraft and retrofitted on existing aircraft.


Also looks like 3M is proposing EAS service VCT-IAH 12 weekly with the ATR 42.
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-2005-20454-0087

And also PRC (Prescott, AZ) to a combination of LAX and LAS:
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-1996-1899-0260

If these go through, that's one ATR based at PRC, VCT, and BKG, plus a Saab doing BOS-BHB, so they'll be stretched pretty thin. That explains the cuts in the recent OAG reports.

A side note: on their website's routes page, 3M is showing BKG-MSY as Sun, Mon, Thu, Fri. It was announced as only Mon, Fri, and that's all that's bookable last I checked, but I wonder if they will expand the frequency. It's a route that surprised me, unless they are planning to route the aircraft and crews through MSY to the Florida bases somehow. Maybe something like MCO-MSY-BKG-IAH would help to get crews in place to operate the BKG and VCT routes.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:12 am

msycajun wrote:
Did some searching and found this which must be the reason for the delay of the start of revenue ATR service:
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=FAA-2018-0324-0003


It can fly the first 5 airplanes without exemption.

msycajun wrote:
Also looks like 3M is proposing EAS service VCT-IAH 12 weekly with the ATR 42.
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-2005-20454-0087

And also PRC (Prescott, AZ) to a combination of LAX and LAS:
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-1996-1899-0260


Prescott is going to be Skywest. Victoria is going to be a tougher choice. Of the two twin engine bids, Silver is more expensive and will require a significant increase in traffic. In any event, VCT has been way over the subsidy cap for years, and in all of the bids it is obvious that the spreadsheets have been adjusted so that the subsidy/passenger falls in the $195-199 range. It will be interesting to see whether VCT gets kept in the program (judging from history, it probably will).
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:10 pm

First picture of the new ATR in a special or revised livery. Don't know if anyone shared this yet or not, there is a picture in the a.net database already.

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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:58 pm

Given how Silver Airways does a lot of smaller flying, what are the odds that it could take over some JetBlue flying currently done with the Embraer 190, especially JFK to non-BOS New England on the AT76 or BOS to within New England on the AT76? That is, JetBlue could purchase or lease some AT76s for 3M flying. Once B6 gets A223s, unless they also get A221s, the A223s will be too big for Cape Cod services.
 
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:57 pm

msycajun wrote:
Here's an official release from Silver at Farnborough:

Glad to see that the new livery was designed by Silver Crew Members! They did an amazing job.
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:43 pm

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Glad to see that the new livery was designed by Silver Crew Members! They did an amazing job.


Well, at least you will see them coming!
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:33 pm

TVNWZ wrote:
dabpit wrote:
Glad to see that the new livery was designed by Silver Crew Members! They did an amazing job.


Well, at least you will see them coming!


Should be able to do a visual approach following them down the ILS in IMC.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:46 am

Just saw that the GSA awarded 3M the MSY-JAX nonstop route for executive branch travel in FY2019 (starting October 1). I suppose we should expect an announcement of that route soon.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways?

Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:22 pm

Browsing USDOT regulations, two more updates:
3M has been granted an exemption to the fuel tank flame arrestor requirement they need to begin flying the ATRs

3M has also applied to operate PDT-PDX EAS. I'd be very curious to see how they handle crewing all of these distant EAS routes if they do get it. BOS-BHB is one thing, they can use their codeshare partner B6 to move crews, but Florida to PDX is a different animal.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways? - discussion thread

Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:19 am

Silver has finally begun its HSV-MCO route. Initially the service will be operated by a Saab, but they seem to be aiming for November to start ATR service on the route.
https://www.silverairways.com/about-silver/press-room/article/2018/09/13/silver-airways-starts-new-daily-nonstop-service-between-huntsville-and-orlando?stop_mobi=no
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways? - discussion thread

Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:15 pm

I've been searching high and low but no atr news?
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways? - discussion thread

Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:46 pm

An email was sent out yesterday with the following from the CEO. Most notably he still expects ATRs to enter service this quarter and more new destinations are on the way.

Dear Silver Airways and Seaborne Airlines Guests,


On behalf of the 900 hardworking aviation professionals at Silver Airways and Seaborne Airlines, thank you for flying with us in 2018. We are here to serve you, our loyal customers. Our goal is safe, reliable and affordable air transportation with great customer service – every day on every flight.

2018 was a transformational year for our company. We recognized that prior to last year both of our airlines were failing to meet the expectations of our customers in service reliability, on-time performance, baggage delivery and customer service metrics. I challenged our customer-focused team at Silver and Seaborne to examine every aspect of our operations and the results on our performance were demonstrable with remarkable improvements.

Our company is on a significant upward trajectory and we are the top independent regional airline in North America! Silver and Seaborne are now among North America’s top regional airlines in completion factor and on-time performance, and we had 50% fewer complaints and mishandled 50% fewer bags in 2018. We also began service with great success this year in Huntsville, Boston and Bar Harbor.

For those of you for whom we failed to meet expectations in 2018, I hope you’ll give us another chance in 2019. We remain laser focused on further improving our business and service in 2019 and there are some exciting changes in this New Year. We’ve already announced service to new destinations in Florida (Daytona Beach), The Bahamas (Cat Island) and the Caribbean (Santiago, D.R.). And more new destinations will be announced soon.

In the first quarter of 2019, we will be the North American launch customer for the exciting new ATR-600 series aircraft that is state-of-the-art in passenger comfort and amenities. These larger aircraft will allow us to further expand our network and provide more seats to our desirable destinations in Florida and the Southeast U.S., The Bahamas, New England and the Caribbean.

On behalf of all of us at Silver Airways and Seaborne Airlines, we wish you a Happy New Year and look forward to welcoming you aboard soon!

Our sincere thanks for your business.

Steven A. Rossum
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways? - discussion thread

Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:05 pm

What destinations do folks think they will add in 2019? More Caribbean/Bahamas or more Southern US?
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways? - discussion thread

Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:07 pm

dabpit wrote:
What destinations do folks think they will add in 2019? More Caribbean/Bahamas or more Southern US?


Would love to see Silver link more of the Southeast with FL. Not sure if thats a focus for them, but could be interesting!
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways? - discussion thread

Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:00 pm

MEM-MSY seems made for a turboprop if they revisit the planned ATR service they had to cancel from Nawlins. Will they revisit the planned BKG service? Frontier came back to BKG again for 2019
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways? - discussion thread

Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:02 pm

DAB begins next week. First arrival is January 16 and first departure is January 17.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways? - discussion thread

Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:44 pm

Sounds like the ATRs are just waiting for the final inspection to enter into service. I'm sure there will be a backlog and delay with the shutdown:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/this-florida-airlines-new-planes-are-grounded-due-to-shutdown/?fbclid=IwAR39GFKi0JJtXRe03T287DkxZwn-kM9bbkedDjH3F48hujyNLUTh6tW5ito
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways? - discussion thread

Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:20 pm

Looks like they are doing more testing/training/proving runs. N216NX (to be changed to N401SV) flew FLL-MCO and MCO-MEM over the past few days. The ATR appears on the HSV-MCO in early March now.
 
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Re: What’s next for Silver Airways? - discussion thread

Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:01 pm

PNS-FLL was supposed to launch next week using the ATR, but now slated for the Saab. Long flight in a Saab340!

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Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos