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KLM pilots will take their caps off

Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:37 pm

Source/Link: https://worldairlinenews.com/2017/12/08 ... -caps-off/

"KLM no longer sees any added value in pilots wearing caps.  Besides, the aim is to give pilots a more modern and accessible appearance. Consequently, the pilot’s cap for women and men will no longer be worn at KLM and KLM Cityhopper from January 1, 2018."
"Similarly, some other airlines and occupations have either done away with the cap, which traditionally formed part of the uniform, or they have come up with alternatives."

"Caps donation to ‘Stichting Hoogvliegers’
Pilots may keep their caps or donates them to ‘Stichting Hoogvliegers’. KLM worked for many years with this foundation, which offers children who are ill a chance to be pilot for a day."
 
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Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:40 pm

It seems the way of the world. I am glad that at my company we have the option to still wear them if we choose to do so. I personally always wear mine, but many are adamantly against it.
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Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:00 pm

Me too! A proper hat is a part of the uniform. I hope other companies don’t follow suit...
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:30 pm

Count me in as not being a fan of this trend. It's an iconic part of the uniform in my opinion.
 
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:38 pm

Add to that a very easy way to identify crew in the event of an evacuation, and adds an air of authority in survival situations. A short sighted move getting rid of the pilot hats.
 
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Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:44 pm

eidvm wrote:
Add to that a very easy way to identify crew in the event of an evacuation, and adds an air of authority in survival situations. A short sighted move getting rid of the pilot hats.
I doubt if crew would bother putting their hats on in an evacuation situation.
 
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Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:02 pm

In a lot of ways, this makes me so sad. The cap is really just a ceremonial item that belongs with the uniform. I'm sure everyone can remember growing up and being at the airport seeing the crew wearing their full uniform and being mesmerized -- for sure, I was. While I may not be an airline pilot, I can relate as a police officer where the patrolman's cap is apart of our uniform, yet seldom do any of us wear it while working. The pilot's cap is a tradition that should not be ditched all together :/
 
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Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:11 pm

Although I'm a big fan of KLM, I'm very disappointed to read about this decision. I don't want pilots to look "modern and accessible", I want them to look authoritative and respectable.
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:30 pm

Just a cost cutting measure disguised as an acknowledgement in style changes lol.
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:04 pm

It’s just one more thing to carry around, anyway.
 
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:21 pm

I join the chorus of those liking the caps. It makes a pilot look more responsible, on particular those under 35.

What next? Track suits as uniforms?

Make them optional. But call me old fashioned, but the Captain should look like a captain. I have a friend who is Captain of a ship +a tanker) and he still wears the cap as it prevents debates on who can give commands in a crisis.

Airlines adopted the nautical uniform to show they weren't the barn storming yahoos who crash planes.

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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:21 pm

N766UA wrote:
It’s just one more thing to carry around, anyway.


Well if that's the case it doesn't really matter if it's on your head!

I hope this isn't going to be a growing trend at airlines as another poster has already pointed out it gives a clear message of respect and authority.

I can't imagine it happening for the company that I work for, the Commodore without his cap no way.

But I do see this as more of cost cutting exercise especially considering that it seems wearing your cap or hat is not necessarily compulsory.
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Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:24 pm

Greyhound drivers don't have caps so pilots shouldn't either.
 
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:46 pm

Isn't the short sleeved white dress shirt with epaulets enough...
 
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:55 pm

LTCM wrote:
Greyhound drivers don't have caps so pilots shouldn't either.


Oh come on how can you compare a Greyhound driver and a Pilot!

It was also a tradition years ago for Chauffeurs to wear a cap but it's very uncommon to see them these days but in my line of work it's actually nice to see the odd Chauffeur wearing a cap as it makes them stand out from the rest of them just like a captain wearing his cap.

If it's optional sure I get but I still think it should be worn when appropriate.

I remember when I was a young sea going officer at 18 that the cap messed up my hairstyle of the day and I hated wearing it because of that but on the other hand it got me a lot of attention especially being so young in full uniform, the old American ladies loved me :-)
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:09 am

johns624 wrote:
Isn't the short sleeved white dress shirt with epaulets enough...


In n emergency, big or small, possibly not. I know that "authority" is a dirty word these days, but in a crowd the cap represents the authority of the rank. It also means that more people stand the chance of knowing who is talking and understanding that it's someone with that authority.

Okay, maybe we've become blasé because there are far fewer accidents these days, but there are other circumstances where it can be extremely useful - especially in an emergency situation.

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Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:34 am

mariner wrote:
johns624 wrote:
Isn't the short sleeved white dress shirt with epaulets enough...


In n emergency, big or small, possibly not. I know that "authority" is a dirty word these days, but in a crowd the cap represents the authority of the rank. It also means that more people stand the chance of knowing who is talking and understanding that it's someone with that authority.

Okay, maybe we've become blasé because there are far fewer accidents these days, but there are other circumstances where it can be extremely useful - especially in an emergency situation.

mariner


Exactly it's like a Police Officer driving his patrol car with no hat on but once out of the vehicle when it's official that officer will automatically put on their cap on to instantly show authority.
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:45 am

Most cops wear baseball caps nowadays....that's some authority symbol.
 
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:49 am

Cunard wrote:
mariner wrote:
johns624 wrote:
Isn't the short sleeved white dress shirt with epaulets enough...


In n emergency, big or small, possibly not. I know that "authority" is a dirty word these days, but in a crowd the cap represents the authority of the rank. It also means that more people stand the chance of knowing who is talking and understanding that it's someone with that authority.

Okay, maybe we've become blasé because there are far fewer accidents these days, but there are other circumstances where it can be extremely useful - especially in an emergency situation.

mariner


Exactly it's like a Police Officer driving his patrol car with no hat on but once out of the vehicle when it's official that officer will automatically put on their cap on to instantly show authority.


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Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:53 am

:lol: Each hat = extra weight = more money spent on fuel :lol:
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:00 am

It's a debate I've been a part of before in a hangar environment ... my personal take on it is - the way you conduct yourself will let people know who is in charge immediately. Not your uniform.
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

All thought I also would've liked to see them stay, as just a (very) casual enthusiast I have some questions regarding the arguments being raised here.

Cost cutting? Isn't an airliner's public image infinitely more valuable to them than the cost of a few hats can ever be? Aren't hats complete peanut crumbs on an airliner's budget anyway?

And in what sort of an emergency situation does the flight crew need to visually display authority? Aren't evacuations and other potentially chaotic situations the responsibility of the cabin crew?
 
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:26 am

If they’re going to get rid of hats, at least give them something cool like leather jackets à la Westjet
 
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:47 am

Speedalive wrote:
If they’re going to get rid of hats, at least give them something cool like leather jackets à la Westjet


I’ve always liked the jackets! I’m not too sad about the hats, WestJet’s current uniforms look good without a hat, especially the fun airplane tie!
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:57 am

Interesting, a lot of full service airlines are going more upscale with their uniforms.

We’ve seen a return of cabin crew hats in the last decade- NZ, QF, AZ, BA, DL, QR,EY, etc. so I’m not sure I agree with KLM this is a trend, admittedly tech crew uniforms are changed far less frequently I think they are going out solo on this on. Maybe just the option leave it up to the individual?

I do like the new white QF hats- looks sharp to me.
 
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:05 am

I like the hat. After a long day of flying, it hides how crazy my hair looks after having worn a headset all day. It also is handy for keeping my wallet, keys, ID, etc.., together in the hotel room on an overnight. I guarantee the day I don't bring my hat will be the day I misplace my keys.
 
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:20 am

johns624 wrote:
eidvm wrote:
Add to that a very easy way to identify crew in the event of an evacuation, and adds an air of authority in survival situations. A short sighted move getting rid of the pilot hats.
I doubt if crew would bother putting their hats on in an evacuation situation.


It would kind of be like passengers grabbing for their carryons in that situation.....

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I like the hat. After a long day of flying, it hides how crazy my hair looks after having worn a headset all day. It also is handy for keeping my wallet, keys, ID, etc.., together in the hotel room on an overnight. I guarantee the day I don't bring my hat will be the day I misplace my keys.


I hadn't thought of that but gotta like the practicality of it.

johns624 wrote:
Most cops wear baseball caps nowadays....that's some authority symbol.


Their uniforms look more like commando outfits, too, these days. That probably does more for authority than a hat.

Overall, pilot hats look good and there's the tradition of it. Although with Southwest pilots...their ties definitely tend to stand out.
 
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:46 am

eidvm wrote:
Add to that a very easy way to identify crew in the event of an evacuation, and adds an air of authority in survival situations. A short sighted move getting rid of the pilot hats.


Ok, Captain Crieff. :silly:

It's kind of surprising that KLM is getting rid of the hats seeing as airlines in the US seem to be going in the other direction, but...good for them. Fashion changes, and pilot hats just look really stuck-up now IMO. It's very possible to have a professional-looking uniform without them.
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:49 am

CanesFan wrote:
I like the hat. After a long day of flying, it hides how crazy my hair looks after having worn a headset all day. It also is handy for keeping my wallet, keys, ID, etc.., together in the hotel room on an overnight. I guarantee the day I don't bring my hat will be the day I misplace my keys.


Good idea, I may have to implement that when I get my hat in a couple months!
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:15 am

Little by little KLM is being 'joonized' in a way that the Netherlands will have only a low cost carrier in the future.
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:16 am

johns624 wrote:
eidvm wrote:
Add to that a very easy way to identify crew in the event of an evacuation, and adds an air of authority in survival situations. A short sighted move getting rid of the pilot hats.
I doubt if crew would bother putting their hats on in an evacuation situation.


The flight crew of Reeve Aleutian flight 8 made it a point to leave the L-188 in full uniform including hats. Despite wrestling a nearly uncontrollable plane for several hours and making a miracle landing, the crew decided it was safe enough to take the time to stay professional to the very end of the flight.
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:24 am

Symbolism without substance I say. Tradition has all sorts of excuses to rationalize opposition to change and those reasons may even have a veneer of reasonablenss. However, none of you are convincing me with statements about authority, safety, etc.
 
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:34 am

WN got rid of mandatory hats over a decade ago and it was a very happy day indeed. Some still choose to wear them (and that's fine) but they are unbearably hot and you end up looking like hell with a a sweat-soaked head. Doing a pre-flight in the summer, it felt like you were wearing a shower cap - they were lined with plastic and didn't breathe.

Good riddance.

Hats? Virgin America pilots don't even wear ties -


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Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:46 am

Caps. When I was promoted to a "cap wearing rank" in the Australian Defence force, it was a result of some very hard work. I wore that cap with a sense of pride, and possibly one of justification for the work I had put in to attaining it. It was part of the "reward" as was the displayed rank and the uniform. As for the public, the first day I wore it (I travelled by public transport to my desk job at the time) I am waiting for my usual train and there were a number of fellow train travellers who obviously travelled quite regularly because the minute they spotted me wearing the peak cap they came up to me full of congratulations, handshakes and a kiss on the cheek from a wonderful discerning lady. I must admit, I had not noticed them as fellow travellers until that day. The message of this very true story! Keep the cap, it means so much to all and sundry. cheers
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:36 am

I don't see how this is really a big deal. Symbolism and sentimentalism, a lot of it.

Of course the military have their own traditions but commercial aerospace is not part of the military. It is a civil sector institution first and foremost.

The pilot uniform is part of the airline's brand. As such, the airline should be free to alter it to give the impression they wish. If they want "hallowed institution with deep roots" a more formal uniform may suit. If they want "young innovative market-disrupting upstart" then screw the tradition.

The idea that pilot uniforms reinforce authority and thus make emergency situations more effectively addressed by the pilot doesn't make sense to me; flight attendants often exercise positions of authority over the passengers during emergency situations, and their uniforms are not designed to look authoritative.
 
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:56 am

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Caps. When I was promoted to a "cap wearing rank" in the Australian Defence force, it was a result of some very hard work. I wore that cap with a sense of pride, and possibly one of justification for the work I had put in to attaining it. It was part of the "reward" as was the displayed rank and the uniform. As for the public, the first day I wore it (I travelled by public transport to my desk job at the time) I am waiting for my usual train and there were a number of fellow train travellers who obviously travelled quite regularly because the minute they spotted me wearing the peak cap they came up to me full of congratulations, handshakes and a kiss on the cheek from a wonderful discerning lady. I must admit, I had not noticed them as fellow travellers until that day. The message of this very true story! Keep the cap, it means so much to all and sundry. cheers



....and one of the last times I was wearing the hat, I was in a hotel lobby waiting for our van to the airport.

A passing guest told me to fetch him a taxi and help him with his baggage.

He thought I was a bellboy.

Yes, it really happened.
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:15 am

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Damn, who's that on the right? ........they should put him in their promotional material! :-D
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:07 am

I don't mind wearing the hat so much with the winter uniform (jacket). It's cooler outside and it matches and looks like an ensemble.

But in the summer the hat is ridiculous and I end up taking it off half the time and carrying it anyway, because it's just way, way, way too hot.

Sorry but I'm not going to stand on the curb in Miami for 20 minutes at 85 degrees and 95% humidity in July with a hat on my head.
 
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:20 am

goboeing wrote:
I don't mind wearing the hat so much with the winter uniform (jacket). It's cooler outside and it matches and looks like an ensemble.

But in the summer the hat is ridiculous and I end up taking it off half the time and carrying it anyway, because it's just way, way, way too hot.

Sorry but I'm not going to stand on the curb in Miami for 20 minutes at 85 degrees and 95% humidity in July with a hat on my head.


No but in rainy chilly London it does have its usefullness when doing the walkaround.
 
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:33 am

It’s a potent symbol of authority- first put one on when I joined the military at 17, in my 50s now & thankful my Company mandates it.

I was walking through an Asian airport recently, all four flight deck had a full blazer and uniform on, walking together in a row. In front of us was Hainan flight deck - just shirts no hats - Asian tourists are funny, they were taking pictures of us and one American couple said we looked like an ad.

No one batted an eye at Hainan...love em or hate em, the full uniform with hat makes a positive impression.

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Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:48 am

bluejuice wrote:
The flight crew of Reeve Aleutian flight 8 made it a point to leave the L-188 in full uniform including hats. Despite wrestling a nearly uncontrollable plane for several hours and making a miracle landing, the crew decided it was safe enough to take the time to stay professional to the very end of the flight.
Im pretty sure that crew would still have been able to wrestle that uncontrollable plane and would have stayed professional at the very end of the flight without their caps.


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Caps. When I was promoted to a "cap wearing rank" in the Australian Defence force, it was a result of some very hard work. I wore that cap with a sense of pride, and possibly one of justification for the work I had put in to attaining it. It was part of the "reward" as was the displayed rank and the uniform.
The reward should have been a nice pay raise, and I hope you got one.
This reminds me of a story one of my Cathay bubbas told me about how the Captains there get drinks served in a cup with its own dedicated "Captain only" color. I hope that's still not the case lol.


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As for the public, the first day I wore it (I travelled by public transport to my desk job at the time) I am waiting for my usual train and there were a number of fellow train travellers who obviously travelled quite regularly because the minute they spotted me wearing the peak cap they came up to me full of congratulations, handshakes and a kiss on the cheek from a wonderful discerning lady. I must admit, I had not noticed them as fellow travellers until that day. The message of this very true story! Keep the cap, it means so much to all and sundry. cheers
And how many times did someone ask you to grab their bags for them thinking you were a porter? Maybe its a bit different with a military uniform but not so much with a generic dark airline pilot uniform.
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:56 am

Does a pilot perform better, or worse, with, or without, a hat?

If the hat has no bearing on his/her performance, then what exactly is the necessity of it?

Far too few of those posting are concerned with what exists in a pilot's head, morose that what sits on it.

In an era where pilots are overworked, and stressed over enough as it is - perhaps we can literally take this one off of their mind.
 
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:01 am

Rajahdhani wrote:
Does a pilot perform better, or worse, with, or without, a hat?

If the hat has no bearing on his/her performance, then what exactly is the necessity of it?

Far too few of those posting are concerned with what exists in a pilot's head, morose that what sits on it.

In an era where pilots are overworked, and stressed over enough as it is - perhaps we can literally take this one off of their mind.


Using your logic - what’s inside a head - why have uniforms at all?
 
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:06 am

Authority does not come from a piece of clothing.
 
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:35 am

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Damn, who's that on the right? ........they should put him in their promotional material! :-D


I was about to thank God when I found out that they don't even wear ties!

It leads to a rather interesting, though perverse, sub-topic though. Virgin, and with few carriers holding such high distinction - flirts with this identity, almost intrinsically. Nothing sells better than ... .

Even past that though, the 'human'-ization of pilots, is not only necessary, but leads to greater understand and empathy from the flying public. The devant-guarde anachronism of 'respecting the uniform' will most certainly further distance itself from the attitudes, tastes, and needs of modern fliers.

Here's a cost to consider - how many pilots are prevented from flying, based on their hats?
Permit me an explanation;

Though dated, here were similar circumstances, as presented in an article dated:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/42559693/ns/travel-news/t/captains-without-cap-more-airline-pilots-ditch-hat/#.WiuaOzeQyUk
At least two North American airlines still require a pilot to wear a full uniform, including a hat, whenever they’re in the public’s view: Air Canada and Delta Air Lines.
“The hat helps identify the pilots and makes them stand out from other crew members, passengers and business people,” said Captain Jay Musselman, director of flight standards and quality for Air Canada.
Hats reflect “leadership and professionalism,” said Delta Air Lines spokesperson Gina Laughlin. “The hat and double-breasted blazer give Delta pilots a sharp, professional appearance.”


So, it logically advanced the question - if the pilot were cap-less, would it make them unfit for duty? As it bears no weight on their ability to perform their abilities as a pilot, what then would justify a potential delay (because of a lack of crew), cancellation, or other issue?

American Airlines' Tucker makes sure his hat is always with him. “Because if, God forbid, I have that day when I have to do an emergency evacuation on my airplane, part of my responsibility is to get passengers together and move them away from the plane. The hat is a visible symbol, and we know customers respond to authority,” said Tucker.


God Bless him, because if his hat speaks more loudly, authoritatively, and instructively than he does, in an evacuation - then we'll need all the help that we can get. Seriously, FAs are asked to evacuate the entire cabin, with half the exits, in 90 seconds. Their hat-less nature has failed to prevent them from bravely and accurately preforming their duties. Maybe instead of thinking about how a pilot looks, in an emergency - and whether they had the time to even contemplate how they will look, prior to evacuating - we should reward those that care more about getting out. Again, instead of what is on their head, we should reward a pilot for using what is inside it; especially when time is precious.
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:45 am

worldranger wrote:
Using your logic - what’s inside a head - why have uniforms at all?


Because even I can understand that holding to a purist logic, to that extreme is as vitriolic as it is foolish.

I do advocate using intelligence and dare we peruse the word, logic to come to an understanding about the issue. I am advocating for a pilot's brain to be held in higher esteem and standing, than their hat. I say this far less for them (as I highly suspect that they are intelligent enough to understand the issue well enough to be pragmatic about it), than I do to directly oppose some of the opinions that I have seen here. Until such time that we have a hat land their aircraft, and assist in evacuation - I'll be willing to side with the pilot, and their choice. Perhaps if we were could divorce ourselves of the sycophancy regarding their appearance, we could respect the pilot for their intelligence, their skills, and their abilities.

I am willing to forgive a pilot for leaving their cap behind. Are you?
 
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:50 am

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Besides, the aim is to give pilots a more modern and accessible appearance.

That being Holland, I can't help asking, what they mean by "more accessible"? Either KLM has very bad translators or they REALLY didn't think this press release through. They mention men and women pilots and then the fact that they will become "more accessible". Hmmm... :stirthepot:
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:54 am

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Add to that a very easy way to identify crew in the event of an evacuation, and adds an air of authority in survival situations. A short sighted move getting rid of the pilot hats.


Think you'll find it's the cabin crew who are organising the evacuation, not the flight deck. The flight deck be busy with their checks and may well be found abseiling from the cockpit windows, rather than take the slide down from a cabin door. Above all else, in the case of an emergency and ensuing evacuation, you can bet your last dollar/dirham/dingbat the last thing one anyones mind will be something as inconsequential as hats

In my outfit the hat was optional. Meaning that we were issued with one, but was free to chose to wear it or not. Mine's in the same cupboard I left the day I received it. Might fetch a few quid on ebay one day, but that's about all the use it will ever have to me.
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:22 am

Most time the crew, takes off there ties and hats while in the cockpit, put them back on when flight lands etc.
 
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Re: KLM pilots will take their caps off

Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:23 am

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Greyhound drivers don't have caps so pilots shouldn't either.


Oh come on how can you compare a Greyhound driver and a Pilot!

It was also a tradition years ago for Chauffeurs to wear a cap but it's very uncommon to see them these days but in my line of work it's actually nice to see the odd Chauffeur wearing a cap as it makes them stand out from the rest of them just like a captain wearing his cap.

If it's optional sure I get but I still think it should be worn when appropriate.

I remember when I was a young sea going officer at 18 that the cap messed up my hairstyle of the day and I hated wearing it because of that but on the other hand it got me a lot of attention especially being so young in full uniform, the old American ladies loved me :-)


I could care less, the pilots can fly in their underwear as long as I do not have to see it... Every time I am picked up by a chauffeur I let him/her know that they are not required to wear the hat when driving me. As soon as we leave the hotel it is gone. I have no time for all this formal nonsense! Get me to my destination safely, that's what I care about.
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