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Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:43 am
by IPFreely
neomax wrote:
I personally don't buy the excuse that a single part could actually be so expensive as to effectively ground an entire fleet of profitable longhaul airplanes that still have at least a couple more years of useful life left in them but alas, that is their reasoning. Even if the 787/350 are more fuel efficient, I doubt that it was a smart decision to retire a useful, profitable airplane.


Several executives at both UA and DL evaluated the cost of paying for the fuel tank modification and continuing to operate the 747 vs. the cost of retiring the 747 and replacing it with other aircraft with different capacities. They all came to the conclusion that retiring the 747 was the best financial decision. I hope their bosses don't read your post and find out their executives were wrong or they may all be fired.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:57 am
by neomax
goboeing wrote:
neomax wrote:
The fuel tank mod issue is for the 744, not the 350. The FAA mandated after TWA 800 that nitrogen generation systems to inert the fuel tanks must be installed on all 747's by the end of 2017. It's a very expensive part to fit and DL/UA decided to retire the fleet instead of spending money to fix it. I personally don't buy the excuse that a single part could actually be so expensive as to effectively ground an entire fleet of profitable longhaul airplanes that still have at least a couple more years of useful life left in them but alas, that is their reasoning. Even if the 787/350 are more fuel efficient, I doubt that it was a smart decision to retire a useful, profitable airplane.


Oh okay, gotcha. Yeah the fuel tank mod on the 744 I am aware of.

I was wondering why the 777 has been put on a few 350 Asia out-and-backs in January, a month in advance. Maybe just lack of aircraft or crew and needs some slack.


The problem with the A350 is that DL planned their EIS in such a way that gives them no slack for adjusting to a new type, and consequently are now realizing that was not a smart idea and have hence subbed in the 777 for at least some time to gradually adjust to it. They're basically transitioning to a strategy of easing into the pool compared to their original strategy which was showing off their new toy to everyone and making a big deal out of it by cannonballing into the pool yelling Kowabunga as loud as possible and making sure everyone in the neighborhood knew about it.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:29 pm
by 747DREAM
Hate to ask again. (It’s in page 1 so I was thinking hopefully someone knows the info sees this) but does anyone know when will it arrived to ATL today? Want to catch it for the last time. Thanks

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:42 pm
by 71Zulu
747DREAM wrote:
Hate to ask again. (It’s in page 1 so I was thinking hopefully someone knows the info sees this) but does anyone know when will it arrived to ATL today? Want to catch it for the last time. Thanks


Awe, looks like they changed it and will now be a B764.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KATL/KTPA

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:59 pm
by Darklord1
It says here that the farewell tour will be unharmed. So does that mean that there gonna be at SEA tomorrow. Would love to see it

http://news.delta.com/update-changes-fi ... lights-747

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:12 pm
by KDTWflyer
Now DAL159for today is showing canceled n Deltas website. It is still showing up on FlightAware so perhaps there is a chance

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:25 pm
by panamair
KDTWflyer wrote:
Now DAL159for today is showing canceled n Deltas website. It is still showing up on FlightAware so perhaps there is a chance


It will go out tomorrow 12/18 as DL9859 to ICN and turn around on 12/19 as originally scheduled DL158 ICN-DTW albeit delayed. This will be ship 6306 (N666US).

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:48 pm
by ual763
So I was talking to one of my old friends at Delta. He says since adding an additional DTW-ICN flight, the airline is short crewmembers and may need to uitilize the pilots from the DTW-SEA/BFI employee flight instead. This would effectively cancel the DTW-SEA flight. So the farewell flights could just end up being DTW-ATL, ATL-MSP. I hope it doesn't come to that, but be forewarned, it *may happen.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:19 pm
by Darklord1
Oh that would suck. As I was planning on going to SeaTac tomorrow.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:21 pm
by ual763
Keep watching. If they can't find a crew, they'll announce their alternate plans today, hopefully.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:40 pm
by n7371f
ual763 wrote:
So I was talking to one of my old friends at Delta. He says since adding an additional DTW-ICN flight, the airline is short crewmembers and may need to uitilize the pilots from the DTW-SEA/BFI employee flight instead. This would effectively cancel the DTW-SEA flight. So the farewell flights could just end up being DTW-ATL, ATL-MSP. I hope it doesn't come to that, but be forewarned, it *may happen.


Nope.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:41 pm
by ual763
n7371f wrote:

Nope.

Very helpful, and informative post... Mind sharing the reasoning behind your reply? What do you know that we don't?

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:05 pm
by neomax
71Zulu wrote:
Awe, looks like they changed it and will now be a B764.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KATL/KTPA


KDTWflyer wrote:
Now DAL159for today is showing canceled n Deltas website. It is still showing up on FlightAware so perhaps there is a chance


ual763 wrote:
So I was talking to one of my old friends at Delta. He says since adding an additional DTW-ICN flight, the airline is short crewmembers and may need to uitilize the pilots from the DTW-SEA/BFI employee flight instead. This would effectively cancel the DTW-SEA flight. So the farewell flights could just end up being DTW-ATL, ATL-MSP. I hope it doesn't come to that, but be forewarned, it *may happen.


Can it get any worse?

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:08 pm
by ual763
neomax wrote:
71Zulu wrote:
Awe, looks like they changed it and will now be a B764.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KATL/KTPA


KDTWflyer wrote:
Now DAL159for today is showing canceled n Deltas website. It is still showing up on FlightAware so perhaps there is a chance


ual763 wrote:
So I was talking to one of my old friends at Delta. He says since adding an additional DTW-ICN flight, the airline is short crewmembers and may need to uitilize the pilots from the DTW-SEA/BFI employee flight instead. This would effectively cancel the DTW-SEA flight. So the farewell flights could just end up being DTW-ATL, ATL-MSP. I hope it doesn't come to that, but be forewarned, it *may happen.


Can it get any worse?


Someone on flyertalk said one of the pilots called in sick today for the flight to ICN. That's why today's flight DTW-ICN was canceled.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:10 pm
by Narfish641
As I much hate to admit this, but if Delta not only screwed up their final flight but also the Farewell tour, there is gonna be a ton of people who are gonna be pissed off. It's kinda sad and I feel bad for those who were looking forward to the final flight. I really think Delta could of announced a little earlier and also start planning it out more since the A350 issue. I read both this thread and another one relating to this and I have to say this is completely sad. I hope they can find a way to resolve this, otherwise, EPIC FAIL!!! :bomb:

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:18 pm
by ual763
So just my theory here, but if they had to cancel DTW-ICN today because of a pilot coaling out sick, they must not have anyone on reserve, which in itself is a fail. But, they have not yet canceled DAL158 from ICN-DTW. I think they're going to have to cancel that as well, as the 747 won't be making it to ICN today. Where else would that 747 come from? They are instead adding the flight to PVG today utilizing the 747 that was supposed to use the plane that was supposed to go at ICN. They are supposedly pulling one of the pilots from the DTW-SEA flight to cover the PVG flight. Huge clusterf*** by all means. DTW-PVG was just added today.

Edit: But looking st flightaware, I am more confused than ever now as it looks like the 747 is already in PVG.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:26 pm
by neomax
I am stunned that DL did not have a single standby pilot for this kind of situation, UA had a backup 747, at least have a backup pilot at the minimum! If I'm understanding this correctly, all the festivities and decorations for the final flight were setup, and then it was cancelled?

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:38 pm
by ual763

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:05 pm
by 747DREAM
So I guess it’s not coming to ATL?

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:06 pm
by compensateme
The PVG flight was interesting; DL was seeking volunteers for the flight saying while it wasn’t oversold, it was “heavy.” They started at $1500 but increased it to $2500. I wasn’t on this flight — I had just arrived into DTW and went out of my way to seek out what will be my last 747 departure sighting — but noticed that I could buy a one-way ticket to Southeast Asia for $800.

I seriously considered doing so, they collecting the Delta Dollars voucher. Would’ve been an easy $1700 but I didn’t do it.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:11 pm
by panamair
ual763 wrote:
So just my theory here, but if they had to cancel DTW-ICN today because of a pilot coaling out sick, they must not have anyone on reserve, which in itself is a fail. But, they have not yet canceled DAL158 from ICN-DTW. I think they're going to have to cancel that as well, as the 747 won't be making it to ICN today. Where else would that 747 come from? They are instead adding the flight to PVG today utilizing the 747 that was supposed to use the plane that was supposed to go at ICN. They are supposedly pulling one of the pilots from the DTW-SEA flight to cover the PVG flight. Huge clusterf*** by all means. DTW-PVG was just added today.

Edit: But looking st flightaware, I am more confused than ever now as it looks like the 747 is already in PVG.


As I already mentioned above, today's cancelled flight has been rescheduled for tomorrow morning as DL9859. It will arrive ICN on 12/19 and turn back to DTW as originally scheduled, albeit about 2-3 hrs late. This is ship 6306. The 744 in PVG is ship 6309.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:12 pm
by ual763
747DREAM wrote:
So I guess it’s not coming to ATL?


I think Atlanta will get it. SEA/PAE is a maybe though.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:15 pm
by ual763
panamair wrote:
ual763 wrote:
So just my theory here, but if they had to cancel DTW-ICN today because of a pilot coaling out sick, they must not have anyone on reserve, which in itself is a fail. But, they have not yet canceled DAL158 from ICN-DTW. I think they're going to have to cancel that as well, as the 747 won't be making it to ICN today. Where else would that 747 come from? They are instead adding the flight to PVG today utilizing the 747 that was supposed to use the plane that was supposed to go at ICN. They are supposedly pulling one of the pilots from the DTW-SEA flight to cover the PVG flight. Huge clusterf*** by all means. DTW-PVG was just added today.

Edit: But looking st flightaware, I am more confused than ever now as it looks like the 747 is already in PVG.


As I already mentioned above, today's cancelled flight has been rescheduled for tomorrow morning as DL9859. It will arrive ICN on 12/19 and turn back to DTW as originally scheduled, albeit about 2-3 hrs late. This is ship 6306. The 744 in PVG is ship 6309.


How long do they normally sit in ICN? So the flight will depart a day late going to ICN, and only be 3 hours late from ICN-DTW?

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:19 pm
by panamair
ual763 wrote:
panamair wrote:
ual763 wrote:
So just my theory here, but if they had to cancel DTW-ICN today because of a pilot coaling out sick, they must not have anyone on reserve, which in itself is a fail. But, they have not yet canceled DAL158 from ICN-DTW. I think they're going to have to cancel that as well, as the 747 won't be making it to ICN today. Where else would that 747 come from? They are instead adding the flight to PVG today utilizing the 747 that was supposed to use the plane that was supposed to go at ICN. They are supposedly pulling one of the pilots from the DTW-SEA flight to cover the PVG flight. Huge clusterf*** by all means. DTW-PVG was just added today.

Edit: But looking st flightaware, I am more confused than ever now as it looks like the 747 is already in PVG.


As I already mentioned above, today's cancelled flight has been rescheduled for tomorrow morning as DL9859. It will arrive ICN on 12/19 and turn back to DTW as originally scheduled, albeit about 2-3 hrs late. This is ship 6306. The 744 in PVG is ship 6309.


How long do they normally sit in ICN? So the flight will depart a day late going to ICN, and only be 3 hours late from ICN-DTW?


Flight is usually a RON at ICN. Leaves ICN at 1115. The rescheduled DL9859 has an ETA at ICN at 1215 on 12/19 and the return DL158 has an ETD of 1415, 3 hours late.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:25 pm
by BenflysDTW
I just got back from Metro, didn’t know it was canceled until I got there! I will be going for the final landing on Tuesday, as I changed my schedule in advance for it.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:26 pm
by BenflysDTW
I will post a link to my YouTube channel when I have uploaded a video of it landing.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:26 pm
by 747DREAM
Anyone know if the Atlanta flight landed and can I see it from a Public accessible spot?

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:42 pm
by 747DREAM
Haha, it’s just a little rain.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:04 am
by Narfish641
747DREAM wrote:
Haha, it’s just a little rain.


No, there is a major power outage at the airport. No flights are landing or taking off from Hartsfield Jackson. They are currently evacuating the airport.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:42 am
by 71Zulu
Narfish641 wrote:
747DREAM wrote:
Haha, it’s just a little rain.


No, there is a major power outage at the airport. No flights are landing or taking off from Hartsfield Jackson. They are currently evacuating the airport.

But somehow the Falcons got to Tampa. :D

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KATL/KTPA

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:11 am
by neomax
71Zulu wrote:
Narfish641 wrote:
747DREAM wrote:
Haha, it’s just a little rain.


No, there is a major power outage at the airport. No flights are landing or taking off from Hartsfield Jackson. They are currently evacuating the airport.

But somehow the Falcons got to Tampa. :D

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KATL/KTPA


Is the 764 still there? TPA is 45 min away from my house so maybe I should go drive down and take a look if it's still there.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:15 am
by neomax
Meanwhile at DTW...

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Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:31 am
by speedbird52
Looked at Flightaware: It appears the farewell tour will be headed to Seattle :)

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:47 am
by ual763
speedbird52 wrote:
Looked at Flightaware: It appears the farewell tour will be headed to Seattle :)

I see another Delta 747 going direct DTW-SEA tonight. What's that one for?

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:27 am
by IPFreely
ual763 wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
Looked at Flightaware: It appears the farewell tour will be headed to Seattle :)

I see another Delta 747 going direct DTW-SEA tonight. What's that one for?


I noticed that; it's not the farewell flight since it's leaving tonight and going to SEA instead of leaving tomorrow and going to PAE.

My guess is it will continue on to ICN so it is in position to operate Tuesday's ICN-DTW flight. It may be stopping in SEA for a crew swap. Since DL did not operate today's 747 DTW-ICN flight there would be no 747 in ICN to operate Tuesday's return flight unless DL positioned one there. If DL gets this plane to ICN to fly the return leg then both flights are "completed" and the cancel-free streak continues.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:25 am
by 747DREAM
Yeah, I know, I was more concerned about would it come to Atlanta. I took the day off and waiting to see anyone had info and then I heard on the news about the power out.
I guess I will just have to wait till Korean Air fly 748 once again to ATL, to see the queen again.

Narfish641 wrote:
747DREAM wrote:
Haha, it’s just a little rain.


No, there is a major power outage at the airport. No flights are landing or taking off from Hartsfield Jackson. They are currently evacuating the airport.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:09 am
by IPFreely
IPFreely wrote:
ual763 wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
Looked at Flightaware: It appears the farewell tour will be headed to Seattle :)

I see another Delta 747 going direct DTW-SEA tonight. What's that one for?


I noticed that; it's not the farewell flight since it's leaving tonight and going to SEA instead of leaving tomorrow and going to PAE.

My guess is it will continue on to ICN so it is in position to operate Tuesday's ICN-DTW flight. It may be stopping in SEA for a crew swap. Since DL did not operate today's 747 DTW-ICN flight there would be no 747 in ICN to operate Tuesday's return flight unless DL positioned one there. If DL gets this plane to ICN to fly the return leg then both flights are "completed" and the cancel-free streak continues.


Looks like tonight's 747 DTW-SEA is cancelled. But there is a new flight, DL 9859 DTW-ICN, schedued to depart DTW tomorrow morning. I'm guessing this is a positioning flight so the plane can operate DL 158 ICN-DTW on Tuesday. Delta can also count tomorrow's flight 9859 as completion of today's cancelled fight 159 so the cancel-free streak can continue.

Edit: DL 9859 DTW-ICN is scheduled to arrive at 12:15pm Tuesday. DL 158 ICN-DTW, scheduled to depart at 11:15am Tuesday already shows as delayed to 2:30pm departure. It looks like as of today this will still be the last 747 revenue flight. This entire farewell has been real amateur hour.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:06 am
by neomax
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Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:03 am
by speedbird52
That photo made me want to cry.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:19 am
by neomax
I can't tell if they have the 777 there to add insult to the injury or if it's actually undergoing maintenance.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:20 am
by neomax
Well, the 18th of December is upon us. Let's try this again and hope things go better than yesterday...

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:22 pm
by cathay747
Dazed767 wrote:
12/17 ICN-DTW is the final scheduled flight.

Delta just had a Skymiles auction through SkyMiles Experiences to bid for seats on the farewell tour flights.

Auctions were:
Hangar Party in Detroit
Farewell Flight (DTW-SEA) and Hangar Party in Seattle
Farewell Flight (SEA-ATL) and Hangar Party in Atlanta
Farewell Flight (ATL-MSP) and Hangar Party in Minneapolis

Before the bidding ended, I saw one of the packages up to 321,000 skymiles.


that is an insane amount of miles...even if I had that to burn with more to spare, no way.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:38 pm
by Adipasquale
cathay747 wrote:
Dazed767 wrote:
12/17 ICN-DTW is the final scheduled flight.

Delta just had a Skymiles auction through SkyMiles Experiences to bid for seats on the farewell tour flights.

Auctions were:
Hangar Party in Detroit
Farewell Flight (DTW-SEA) and Hangar Party in Seattle
Farewell Flight (SEA-ATL) and Hangar Party in Atlanta
Farewell Flight (ATL-MSP) and Hangar Party in Minneapolis

Before the bidding ended, I saw one of the packages up to 321,000 skymiles.


that is an insane amount of miles...even if I had that to burn with more to spare, no way.

Agreed, as much as I love the 747, I was able to say goodbye in July, flying DTW-PVG-DTW for a lot less than the miles people bid.

It also looks like the DTW-PAE farewell flight got off more or less as planned: DL9771 https://fr24.com/DAL9771/fdefd51

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:33 pm
by xjetflyer2001
I'm flying SFO-NRT tomorrow, hope we will fly close enough to the final flight from ICN-DTW so I can grab a photo, though it looks like that will not be possible as if my math is correct it will already be in DTW by the time I leave SFO, here's to dreaming haha

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:03 pm
by United_fan
Hoping for descent weather when it comes to BUF on the 30th.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:11 pm
by Narfish641
The PAE-SEA leg for the Farewell Tour is next, leaving in 9 mins.

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:51 pm
by Narfish641
747DREAM wrote:
So I guess it’s not coming to ATL?


I have good news, the 747 will come to ATL tomorrow at about 1:19PM. I might not be at the airport but I can defiantly spot it at my house. Here's a link so that anyone can track it.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9771

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:08 am
by speedbird52
So why are there currently two DL 747s in Seattle according to Flightradar24 and Flightaware? (I had the honor of seeing one of them takeoff one more time :) )

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:18 am
by Darklord1
Oh my god. If only I knew I would never have left seatac. :blockhead: :hissyfit:

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:29 am
by n7371f
speedbird52 wrote:
So why are there currently two DL 747s in Seattle according to Flightradar24 and Flightaware? (I had the honor of seeing one of them takeoff one more time :) )


1 744 is being flown ahead to set-up for the invite party; the other is being used for the last flights.