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Re: French routes news thread

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:33 pm

AC announces year round YUL-TLS starting June 2020 with an A330-300:

AC826 YUL 19:15 - TLS 8:15 + 1 - Tu, Th, Fr, Sa, Su
AC827 TLS 10:00 - YUL 12:00 - Mo, We, FR, Sa, Su

Article in French
"Air Canada serves eight destinations in France: Paris (all year), Lyon (all year), Bordeaux (in season), Marseille (in season), Nice (in season) and, from 2020, Toulouse (all year). We also serve the French territories of Martinique (all year) and Guadeloupe (all year)."
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Re: French routes news thread

Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:07 pm

Luxair will launch Luxembourg - Nantes and Montpellier in S20 with two weekly flights :

LG 8145 LUX 1105 - 1250 NTE 1---5-- DH4
LG 8146 NTE 1335 - 1515 LUX 1---5-- DH4

LG 8211 LUX 1105 - 1250 MPL --3--6- DH4
LG 8212 MPL 1330 - 1510 LUX --3--6- DH4

https://www.luxair.lu/en

LUX offer to France is growing very quickly since two years with Volotea to Nice and Marseille, easyJet to Bordeaux, Ryanair to Toulouse and now Luxair to Nantes and Montpellier.
Next flights :
FRA-DTW (DL) / DTW-LAS (DL) / LAS-SEA (DL) / SEA-CDG (AF) / CDG-FRA (AF)
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:12 am

Picked up from this thread, I figured it would fit here for reference:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1431133


SS (Corsair) to launch daily ORY-EWR in from June 10, 2020 with a A300-900 (from 9/20):

ORY 1800 - EWR 2025
EWR 2245 - ORY 1200+1

Official release
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:14 pm

Wait for it French Bee is about to do the same
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:23 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
Wait for it French Bee is about to do the same


I just saw that in the other thread I mentioned but no press release. It’s supposed to be daily with a A359.
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:32 pm

ro1960 wrote:
A380MSN004 wrote:
Wait for it French Bee is about to do the same


I just saw that in the other thread I mentioned but no press release. It’s supposed to be daily with a A359.


Press release gonna be tomorrow probably on "La Tribune"

Paris - New York gonna a bloodbath next year.
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:41 pm

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Paris - New York gonna a bloodbath next year.


So coming back to my post in the other thread, what is the point of having 10 carriers in Paris-NYC but nobody tries secondary cities like Lyon, Marseille, Bordeaux or Toulouse?

Carriers like French Bee, XL Airways, etc. are very well suited for those markets (mainly leisure summer traffic).
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:06 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
A380MSN004 wrote:
Paris - New York gonna a bloodbath next year.


So coming back to my post in the other thread, what is the point of having 10 carriers in Paris-NYC but nobody tries secondary cities like Lyon, Marseille, Bordeaux or Toulouse?

Carriers like French Bee, XL Airways, etc. are very well suited for those markets (mainly leisure summer traffic).


XL did flew MRS-JFK but stopped citing shortage of aircraft (they also flew MRS-PUJ, also dropped). DL tried LYS-JFK on the 757 but it didn't last long either.
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:31 pm

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XL did flew MRS-JFK but stopped citing shortage of aircraft (they also flew MRS-PUJ, also dropped). DL tried LYS-JFK on the 757 but it didn't last long either.


From what I see online, DL dropped JFK-LYS in 2001 (!) https://www.lesechos.fr/2001/05/delta-a ... ork-717763. That was ages ago.

Marseille might be harder to make it work because it is a lower-yielding market than Lyon (at least from the French side).
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:38 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
Thibault973 wrote:
XL did flew MRS-JFK but stopped citing shortage of aircraft (they also flew MRS-PUJ, also dropped). DL tried LYS-JFK on the 757 but it didn't last long either.


From what I see online, DL dropped JFK-LYS in 2001 (!) https://www.lesechos.fr/2001/05/delta-a ... ork-717763. That was ages ago.

Marseille might be harder to make it work because it is a lower-yielding market than Lyon (at least from the French side).


From what I understand the pbm with LYS is that you have GVA just a few block away. Same with MRS and NCE which is not too far away and serves both the French and the Italian rivieras. Then you have BOD which is a pretty hot destination rn and would make sense seasonally at least maybe with the 321z
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:42 pm

Thibault973 wrote:
From what I understand the pbm with LYS is that you have GVA just a few block away. Same with MRS and NCE which is not too far away and serves both the French and the Italian rivieras. Then you have BOD which is a pretty hot destination rn and would make sense seasonally at least maybe with the 321z


Lyon to GVA is close but no that close. Emirates and Air Canada fly to both LYS and GVA.

I don't necessarily see an US3 to LYS, but one of those French holiday carriers should be fine. It would give them instant recognition in the Lyon market being the only non-stop service to the US. Nobody in Paris cares or know about a 9th or 10th carrier to NYC. And carriers like French Bee, Corsair and XL are clearly targeted to the French tourist to NYC, not the other way around.
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:14 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
A380MSN004 wrote:
Paris - New York gonna a bloodbath next year.


So coming back to my post in the other thread, what is the point of having 10 carriers in Paris-NYC but nobody tries secondary cities like Lyon, Marseille, Bordeaux or Toulouse?

Carriers like French Bee, XL Airways, etc. are very well suited for those markets (mainly leisure summer traffic).


B0 (La Compagnie) recently started EWR-NCE. OK it's not leisure traffic but it belongs to Dreamjet who also own XL Airways. So maybe there is hope.
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:20 pm

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From what I understand the pbm with LYS is that you have GVA just a few block away.



It may look close on a map but it takes almost 3 hours by car to reach GVA from Lyon center. By transport it's more than double the time. If you need to catch a connection from Lyon you're better off taking the TGV to CDG (2 hours). If there is no LYS-USA routes it's because there's not enough demand.
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:15 pm

ro1960 wrote:
Thibault973 wrote:

From what I understand the pbm with LYS is that you have GVA just a few block away.



It may look close on a map but it takes almost 3 hours by car to reach GVA from Lyon center. By transport it's more than double the time. If you need to catch a connection from Lyon you're better off taking the TGV to CDG (2 hours). If there is no LYS-USA routes it's because there's not enough demand.


I do the trip very often, takes 1:45, not 3 hours. However, even with this relatively short travel, limited ppl from Lyon go to GVA. I don’t think that the limited number of long-hauls in LYS has much to do with GVA, agree with the previous conclusions.
There were three previous attempts for a LYS-JFK flight over the last 20 years, twice with DL and once with AA. Last attempt was with DL in 2008. The market might be more mature now but AC has taken some market share.
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:21 pm

xorrygva wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
Thibault973 wrote:

From what I understand the pbm with LYS is that you have GVA just a few block away.



It may look close on a map but it takes almost 3 hours by car to reach GVA from Lyon center. By transport it's more than double the time. If you need to catch a connection from Lyon you're better off taking the TGV to CDG (2 hours). If there is no LYS-USA routes it's because there's not enough demand.


I do the trip very often, takes 1:45, not 3 hours. However, even with this relatively short travel, limited ppl from Lyon go to GVA. I don’t think that the limited number of long-hauls in LYS has much to do with GVA, agree with the previous conclusions.
There were three previous attempts for a LYS-JFK flight over the last 20 years, twice with DL and once with AA. Last attempt was with DL in 2008. The market might be more mature now but AC has taken some market share.


LYS to NYC would work with a narrowbody Long Haul
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:14 am

French bee opens Orly EWR starting June 2020 using A350XWB 7 times a week.

ORY 14:00-16:15 EWR 359 Q
EWR 18:15-07:30+1 ORY 359 Q

https://www.air-journal.fr/2019-09-13-french-bee-ouverture-dune-liaison-paris-new-york-en-juin-2020-5214946.html
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:22 am

Bloodbath for sure

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