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Re: French routes news thread

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:33 pm

AC announces year round YUL-TLS starting June 2020 with an A330-300:

AC826 YUL 19:15 - TLS 8:15 + 1 - Tu, Th, Fr, Sa, Su
AC827 TLS 10:00 - YUL 12:00 - Mo, We, FR, Sa, Su

Article in French
"Air Canada serves eight destinations in France: Paris (all year), Lyon (all year), Bordeaux (in season), Marseille (in season), Nice (in season) and, from 2020, Toulouse (all year). We also serve the French territories of Martinique (all year) and Guadeloupe (all year)."
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Re: French routes news thread

Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:07 pm

Luxair will launch Luxembourg - Nantes and Montpellier in S20 with two weekly flights :

LG 8145 LUX 1105 - 1250 NTE 1---5-- DH4
LG 8146 NTE 1335 - 1515 LUX 1---5-- DH4

LG 8211 LUX 1105 - 1250 MPL --3--6- DH4
LG 8212 MPL 1330 - 1510 LUX --3--6- DH4

https://www.luxair.lu/en

LUX offer to France is growing very quickly since two years with Volotea to Nice and Marseille, easyJet to Bordeaux, Ryanair to Toulouse and now Luxair to Nantes and Montpellier.
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:12 am

Picked up from this thread, I figured it would fit here for reference:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1431133


SS (Corsair) to launch daily ORY-EWR in from June 10, 2020 with a A300-900 (from 9/20):

ORY 1800 - EWR 2025
EWR 2245 - ORY 1200+1

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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:14 pm

Wait for it French Bee is about to do the same
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:23 pm

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Wait for it French Bee is about to do the same


I just saw that in the other thread I mentioned but no press release. It’s supposed to be daily with a A359.
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:32 pm

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A380MSN004 wrote:
Wait for it French Bee is about to do the same


I just saw that in the other thread I mentioned but no press release. It’s supposed to be daily with a A359.


Press release gonna be tomorrow probably on "La Tribune"

Paris - New York gonna a bloodbath next year.
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:41 pm

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Paris - New York gonna a bloodbath next year.


So coming back to my post in the other thread, what is the point of having 10 carriers in Paris-NYC but nobody tries secondary cities like Lyon, Marseille, Bordeaux or Toulouse?

Carriers like French Bee, XL Airways, etc. are very well suited for those markets (mainly leisure summer traffic).
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:06 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
A380MSN004 wrote:
Paris - New York gonna a bloodbath next year.


So coming back to my post in the other thread, what is the point of having 10 carriers in Paris-NYC but nobody tries secondary cities like Lyon, Marseille, Bordeaux or Toulouse?

Carriers like French Bee, XL Airways, etc. are very well suited for those markets (mainly leisure summer traffic).


XL did flew MRS-JFK but stopped citing shortage of aircraft (they also flew MRS-PUJ, also dropped). DL tried LYS-JFK on the 757 but it didn't last long either.
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:31 pm

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XL did flew MRS-JFK but stopped citing shortage of aircraft (they also flew MRS-PUJ, also dropped). DL tried LYS-JFK on the 757 but it didn't last long either.


From what I see online, DL dropped JFK-LYS in 2001 (!) https://www.lesechos.fr/2001/05/delta-a ... ork-717763. That was ages ago.

Marseille might be harder to make it work because it is a lower-yielding market than Lyon (at least from the French side).
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:38 pm

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Thibault973 wrote:
XL did flew MRS-JFK but stopped citing shortage of aircraft (they also flew MRS-PUJ, also dropped). DL tried LYS-JFK on the 757 but it didn't last long either.


From what I see online, DL dropped JFK-LYS in 2001 (!) https://www.lesechos.fr/2001/05/delta-a ... ork-717763. That was ages ago.

Marseille might be harder to make it work because it is a lower-yielding market than Lyon (at least from the French side).


From what I understand the pbm with LYS is that you have GVA just a few block away. Same with MRS and NCE which is not too far away and serves both the French and the Italian rivieras. Then you have BOD which is a pretty hot destination rn and would make sense seasonally at least maybe with the 321z
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:42 pm

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From what I understand the pbm with LYS is that you have GVA just a few block away. Same with MRS and NCE which is not too far away and serves both the French and the Italian rivieras. Then you have BOD which is a pretty hot destination rn and would make sense seasonally at least maybe with the 321z


Lyon to GVA is close but no that close. Emirates and Air Canada fly to both LYS and GVA.

I don't necessarily see an US3 to LYS, but one of those French holiday carriers should be fine. It would give them instant recognition in the Lyon market being the only non-stop service to the US. Nobody in Paris cares or know about a 9th or 10th carrier to NYC. And carriers like French Bee, Corsair and XL are clearly targeted to the French tourist to NYC, not the other way around.
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:14 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
A380MSN004 wrote:
Paris - New York gonna a bloodbath next year.


So coming back to my post in the other thread, what is the point of having 10 carriers in Paris-NYC but nobody tries secondary cities like Lyon, Marseille, Bordeaux or Toulouse?

Carriers like French Bee, XL Airways, etc. are very well suited for those markets (mainly leisure summer traffic).


B0 (La Compagnie) recently started EWR-NCE. OK it's not leisure traffic but it belongs to Dreamjet who also own XL Airways. So maybe there is hope.
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:20 pm

Thibault973 wrote:

From what I understand the pbm with LYS is that you have GVA just a few block away.



It may look close on a map but it takes almost 3 hours by car to reach GVA from Lyon center. By transport it's more than double the time. If you need to catch a connection from Lyon you're better off taking the TGV to CDG (2 hours). If there is no LYS-USA routes it's because there's not enough demand.
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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:15 pm

ro1960 wrote:
Thibault973 wrote:

From what I understand the pbm with LYS is that you have GVA just a few block away.



It may look close on a map but it takes almost 3 hours by car to reach GVA from Lyon center. By transport it's more than double the time. If you need to catch a connection from Lyon you're better off taking the TGV to CDG (2 hours). If there is no LYS-USA routes it's because there's not enough demand.


I do the trip very often, takes 1:45, not 3 hours. However, even with this relatively short travel, limited ppl from Lyon go to GVA. I don’t think that the limited number of long-hauls in LYS has much to do with GVA, agree with the previous conclusions.
There were three previous attempts for a LYS-JFK flight over the last 20 years, twice with DL and once with AA. Last attempt was with DL in 2008. The market might be more mature now but AC has taken some market share.
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:21 pm

xorrygva wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
Thibault973 wrote:

From what I understand the pbm with LYS is that you have GVA just a few block away.



It may look close on a map but it takes almost 3 hours by car to reach GVA from Lyon center. By transport it's more than double the time. If you need to catch a connection from Lyon you're better off taking the TGV to CDG (2 hours). If there is no LYS-USA routes it's because there's not enough demand.


I do the trip very often, takes 1:45, not 3 hours. However, even with this relatively short travel, limited ppl from Lyon go to GVA. I don’t think that the limited number of long-hauls in LYS has much to do with GVA, agree with the previous conclusions.
There were three previous attempts for a LYS-JFK flight over the last 20 years, twice with DL and once with AA. Last attempt was with DL in 2008. The market might be more mature now but AC has taken some market share.


LYS to NYC would work with a narrowbody Long Haul
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:14 am

French bee opens Orly EWR starting June 2020 using A350XWB 7 times a week.

ORY 14:00-16:15 EWR 359 Q
EWR 18:15-07:30+1 ORY 359 Q

https://www.air-journal.fr/2019-09-13-french-bee-ouverture-dune-liaison-paris-new-york-en-juin-2020-5214946.html
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:22 am

Bloodbath for sure
 
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Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:28 pm

Change on the YUL-NCE route: AC replaces RV from May 8 through October 24, 2020.

5x week (days not specified) with a 3-class A333: 27J, 21Y+, 244Y.

YUL 18h45-NCE 08h10+1
NCE 13h30-YUL 16h00

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Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:48 pm

Wizz Air links Georgia to Nice from December 12, 2019 with an A320:

W66459 KUT 14h20-NCE 16h05 Th, Su
W66460 NCE 16h35-KUT 23h50 Th, Su
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Re: French routes news thread

Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:29 am

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CDG-TLN-CDG will be axed starting the winter schedule.

AF has just announced ORY-GVA for the winter season


Any idea why? Shortage of HOP aircrafts? I hope it will come back in the summer. I can't imagine that route not being profitable. Packed with higher fares than ORY TLN
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:33 am

TLN is seasonal. When speaking with airport authorities they are saying MRS and NCE are "too close"
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:50 am

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TLN is seasonal. When speaking with airport authorities they are saying MRS and NCE are "too close"


According to the below article (in french), the route is not seasonal but axed.

https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr ... 01440.html
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Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:40 pm

From November 2019:
"Volotea has been selected by Airbus to operate the Airbus Charter Service between Toulouse International Airport and Airbus’ Finkenwerder sites. Airbus employees will use the service to commute between both sites, Monday to Friday, with four flights per day."
VOLOTEA CHOSEN BY AIRBUS TO OPERATE ITS SHUTTLE SERVICE CONNECTING TOULOUSE AND HAMBURG


From April 2020:
TLS-MAD, Fr-Su
TLS-DBV, We-Sa
TLS-HAJ, Su
https://www.air-journal.fr/2019-10-23-volotea-reliera-toulouse-a-madrid-dubrovnik-et-hambourg-5215774.html

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Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:20 pm

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Wow, DY is always innovating on new routes. Wishing them success on this new one
 
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Wow, DY is always innovating on new routes. Wishing them success on this new one


How much of a potential does this route have?
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:05 pm

easyjet starts NCE-TNG twice weekly from October 30, Wednesday and Sunday with an A320.

We :
EJU1607 NCE 16:20 - TNG 18:50
EJU1608 TNG 19:30 - NCE 22:00

Sun :
EJU1607 NCE 06:45 - TNG 09:15
EJU1608 TNG 09:55 - NCE 12:25
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:11 pm

MrBren wrote:


Transavia will also add two more 738s at Nantes (from 5 to 7 aircrafts).

https://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/entrepri ... 05794.html
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:17 pm

Targeted countries for Transavia in MPL.

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Re: French routes news thread

Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:47 am

I noticed Ethiopian operates Vienna-Marseilles now, I didn't know the Geneva tag was replaced. What's also odd is that the flight departs at the exact same time from Vienna as Lauda.
 
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:33 pm

Announcement of Transavia destinations in MPL (in green).

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Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:07 pm

That's a lot of destinations for a single airline to serve from a city with modest population and which is not known for being a major inbound tourist destination
 
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:53 pm

I am sure that none of those destinations will be daily but 2 to 5 weekly, depending of the city.
 
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:45 am

Indeed, here are the schedules from routesonline.com

Montpellier – Agadir eff 20JUN20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Athens eff 04APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Faro eff 03APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Irakleion eff 03APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Lisbon eff 05APR20 3 weekly
Montpellier – Madrid eff 05APR20 3 weekly
Montpellier – Marrakech eff 03APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Oujda eff 27JUN20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Palermo eff 03APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Palma Mallorca 05APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Rome eff 05APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Seville eff 05APR20 2 weekly
 
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Indeed, here are the schedules from routesonline.com

Montpellier – Agadir eff 20JUN20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Athens eff 04APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Faro eff 03APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Irakleion eff 03APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Lisbon eff 05APR20 3 weekly
Montpellier – Madrid eff 05APR20 3 weekly
Montpellier – Marrakech eff 03APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Oujda eff 27JUN20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Palermo eff 03APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Palma Mallorca 05APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Rome eff 05APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Seville eff 05APR20 2 weekly


Not bad for 2 737s based
 
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:53 am

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That's a lot of destinations for a single airline to serve from a city with modest population and which is not known for being a major inbound tourist destination


With 610K inhabitants, Montpelier is the 14th urban area in France and is in fact the fastest growing. None of the routes announced will cater to inbound tourists but rather to Montpelliérains going south on vacations.
 
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:12 am

Thibault973 wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
That's a lot of destinations for a single airline to serve from a city with modest population and which is not known for being a major inbound tourist destination


With 610K inhabitants, Montpelier is the 14th urban area in France and is in fact the fastest growing. None of the routes announced will cater to inbound tourists but rather to Montpelliérains going south on vacations.


Sounds they gonna move the 737s next winter
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:19 am

For summer 2020, AC had add a new daily flight to CDG with A333, shared between YUL (3 weekly) and YYZ (4 weekly).

AC810 YUL 2155 - 1050+1 CDG 246
AC811 CDG 1700 - 1845 YUL 246

AC812 YYZ 2130 - 1050+1 CDG x246
AC813 CDG 1700 - 1900 YYZ x246
 
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Re: French routes news thread

Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:28 am

Transavia France later this month is adding new route from Lyon, offering nonstop Lyon – Amman service. From 19DEC19, Boeing 737-800 aircraft will serve this route twice weekly.

TO4980 LYS1300 – 1830AMM 73H 15
TO4981 AMM1915 – 2245LYS 73H 15
 
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Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:29 pm

Transavia to also open ORY-AMM from May 2020 twice a week.

https://www.air-journal.fr/2019-12-10-transavia-ouvre-un-paris-jordanie-5216808.html

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