AC announces year round YUL-TLS starting June 2020 with an A330-300:

AC826 YUL 19:15 - TLS 8:15 + 1 - Tu, Th, Fr, Sa, Su
AC827 TLS 10:00 - YUL 12:00 - Mo, We, FR, Sa, Su

Article in French
"Air Canada serves eight destinations in France: Paris (all year), Lyon (all year), Bordeaux (in season), Marseille (in season), Nice (in season) and, from 2020, Toulouse (all year). We also serve the French territories of Martinique (all year) and Guadeloupe (all year)."

Luxair will launch Luxembourg - Nantes and Montpellier in S20 with two weekly flights :

LG 8145 LUX 1105 - 1250 NTE 1---5-- DH4
LG 8146 NTE 1335 - 1515 LUX 1---5-- DH4

LG 8211 LUX 1105 - 1250 MPL --3--6- DH4
LG 8212 MPL 1330 - 1510 LUX --3--6- DH4

https://www.luxair.lu/en

LUX offer to France is growing very quickly since two years with Volotea to Nice and Marseille, easyJet to Bordeaux, Ryanair to Toulouse and now Luxair to Nantes and Montpellier.

Picked up from this thread, I figured it would fit here for reference:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1431133


SS (Corsair) to launch daily ORY-EWR in from June 10, 2020 with a A300-900 (from 9/20):

ORY 1800 - EWR 2025
EWR 2245 - ORY 1200+1

Official release

A380MSN004 wrote:

Wait for it French Bee is about to do the same

I just saw that in the other thread I mentioned but no press release. It’s supposed to be daily with a A359.

A380MSN004 wrote:

Paris - New York gonna a bloodbath next year.

So coming back to my post in the other thread, what is the point of having 10 carriers in Paris-NYC but nobody tries secondary cities like Lyon, Marseille, Bordeaux or Toulouse?

Carriers like French Bee, XL Airways, etc. are very well suited for those markets (mainly leisure summer traffic).

SCQ83 wrote:

A380MSN004 wrote:

Paris - New York gonna a bloodbath next year.

So coming back to my post in the other thread, what is the point of having 10 carriers in Paris-NYC but nobody tries secondary cities like Lyon, Marseille, Bordeaux or Toulouse?

Carriers like French Bee, XL Airways, etc. are very well suited for those markets (mainly leisure summer traffic).

XL did flew MRS-JFK but stopped citing shortage of aircraft (they also flew MRS-PUJ, also dropped). DL tried LYS-JFK on the 757 but it didn't last long either.

Thibault973 wrote:

XL did flew MRS-JFK but stopped citing shortage of aircraft (they also flew MRS-PUJ, also dropped). DL tried LYS-JFK on the 757 but it didn't last long either.

From what I see online, DL dropped JFK-LYS in 2001 (!) https://www.lesechos.fr/2001/05/delta-a ... ork-717763. That was ages ago.

Marseille might be harder to make it work because it is a lower-yielding market than Lyon (at least from the French side).

SCQ83 wrote:

Thibault973 wrote:

XL did flew MRS-JFK but stopped citing shortage of aircraft (they also flew MRS-PUJ, also dropped). DL tried LYS-JFK on the 757 but it didn't last long either.

From what I see online, DL dropped JFK-LYS in 2001 (!) https://www.lesechos.fr/2001/05/delta-a ... ork-717763. That was ages ago.

Marseille might be harder to make it work because it is a lower-yielding market than Lyon (at least from the French side).

From what I understand the pbm with LYS is that you have GVA just a few block away. Same with MRS and NCE which is not too far away and serves both the French and the Italian rivieras. Then you have BOD which is a pretty hot destination rn and would make sense seasonally at least maybe with the 321z

Thibault973 wrote:

From what I understand the pbm with LYS is that you have GVA just a few block away. Same with MRS and NCE which is not too far away and serves both the French and the Italian rivieras. Then you have BOD which is a pretty hot destination rn and would make sense seasonally at least maybe with the 321z

Lyon to GVA is close but no that close. Emirates and Air Canada fly to both LYS and GVA.

I don't necessarily see an US3 to LYS, but one of those French holiday carriers should be fine. It would give them instant recognition in the Lyon market being the only non-stop service to the US. Nobody in Paris cares or know about a 9th or 10th carrier to NYC. And carriers like French Bee, Corsair and XL are clearly targeted to the French tourist to NYC, not the other way around.

SCQ83 wrote:

A380MSN004 wrote:

Paris - New York gonna a bloodbath next year.

So coming back to my post in the other thread, what is the point of having 10 carriers in Paris-NYC but nobody tries secondary cities like Lyon, Marseille, Bordeaux or Toulouse?

Carriers like French Bee, XL Airways, etc. are very well suited for those markets (mainly leisure summer traffic).

B0 (La Compagnie) recently started EWR-NCE. OK it's not leisure traffic but it belongs to Dreamjet who also own XL Airways. So maybe there is hope.

Thibault973 wrote:

From what I understand the pbm with LYS is that you have GVA just a few block away.

It may look close on a map but it takes almost 3 hours by car to reach GVA from Lyon center. By transport it's more than double the time. If you need to catch a connection from Lyon you're better off taking the TGV to CDG (2 hours). If there is no LYS-USA routes it's because there's not enough demand.

ro1960 wrote:

Thibault973 wrote:

From what I understand the pbm with LYS is that you have GVA just a few block away.

It may look close on a map but it takes almost 3 hours by car to reach GVA from Lyon center. By transport it's more than double the time. If you need to catch a connection from Lyon you're better off taking the TGV to CDG (2 hours). If there is no LYS-USA routes it's because there's not enough demand.

I do the trip very often, takes 1:45, not 3 hours. However, even with this relatively short travel, limited ppl from Lyon go to GVA. I don’t think that the limited number of long-hauls in LYS has much to do with GVA, agree with the previous conclusions.
There were three previous attempts for a LYS-JFK flight over the last 20 years, twice with DL and once with AA. Last attempt was with DL in 2008. The market might be more mature now but AC has taken some market share.

French bee opens Orly EWR starting June 2020 using A350XWB 7 times a week.

ORY 14:00-16:15 EWR 359 Q
EWR 18:15-07:30+1 ORY 359 Q

https://www.air-journal.fr/2019-09-13-french-bee-ouverture-dune-liaison-paris-new-york-en-juin-2020-5214946.html

Change on the YUL-NCE route: AC replaces RV from May 8 through October 24, 2020.

5x week (days not specified) with a 3-class A333: 27J, 21Y+, 244Y.

YUL 18h45-NCE 08h10+1
NCE 13h30-YUL 16h00

https://en.nice.aeroport.fr/Passengers/Latest-news/Air-Canada-a-Nice-Montee-en-gamme-et-augmentation-de-frequence

Wizz Air links Georgia to Nice from December 12, 2019 with an A320:

W66459 KUT 14h20-NCE 16h05 Th, Su
W66460 NCE 16h35-KUT 23h50 Th, Su

FlySSC wrote:

CDG-TLN-CDG will be axed starting the winter schedule.

AF has just announced ORY-GVA for the winter season

Any idea why? Shortage of HOP aircrafts? I hope it will come back in the summer. I can't imagine that route not being profitable. Packed with higher fares than ORY TLN

A380MSN004 wrote:

TLN is seasonal. When speaking with airport authorities they are saying MRS and NCE are "too close"

According to the below article (in french), the route is not seasonal but axed.

https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr ... 01440.html

From November 2019:
"Volotea has been selected by Airbus to operate the Airbus Charter Service between Toulouse International Airport and Airbus’ Finkenwerder sites. Airbus employees will use the service to commute between both sites, Monday to Friday, with four flights per day."
VOLOTEA CHOSEN BY AIRBUS TO OPERATE ITS SHUTTLE SERVICE CONNECTING TOULOUSE AND HAMBURG


From April 2020:
TLS-MAD, Fr-Su
TLS-DBV, We-Sa
TLS-HAJ, Su
https://www.air-journal.fr/2019-10-23-volotea-reliera-toulouse-a-madrid-dubrovnik-et-hambourg-5215774.html

All flights operated with 150 seats A319s.

Norwegian adds Paris CDG – Austin service from May 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/287106/norwegian-adds-paris-cdg-austin-service-from-may-2020/

A380MSN004 wrote:

MrBren wrote:

Norwegian adds Paris CDG – Austin service from May 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/287106/norwegian-adds-paris-cdg-austin-service-from-may-2020/

Wow, DY is always innovating on new routes. Wishing them success on this new one

How much of a potential does this route have?

easyjet starts NCE-TNG twice weekly from October 30, Wednesday and Sunday with an A320.

We :
EJU1607 NCE 16:20 - TNG 18:50
EJU1608 TNG 19:30 - NCE 22:00

Sun :
EJU1607 NCE 06:45 - TNG 09:15
EJU1608 TNG 09:55 - NCE 12:25

Transavia FR to base 2 B737 in MPL with up to 20 routes.

https://www.air-journal.fr/2019-11-05-transavia-france-ouvre-une-base-a-montpellier-5216056.html

MrBren wrote:

Transavia FR to base 2 B737 in MPL with up to 20 routes.

https://www.air-journal.fr/2019-11-05-transavia-france-ouvre-une-base-a-montpellier-5216056.html

Transavia will also add two more 738s at Nantes (from 5 to 7 aircrafts).

https://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/entrepri ... 05794.html

Targeted countries for Transavia in MPL.



Source: https://www.midilibre.fr/2019/11/05/mon ... 524266.php

I noticed Ethiopian operates Vienna-Marseilles now, I didn't know the Geneva tag was replaced. What's also odd is that the flight departs at the exact same time from Vienna as Lauda.

Announcement of Transavia destinations in MPL (in green).

That's a lot of destinations for a single airline to serve from a city with modest population and which is not known for being a major inbound tourist destination

I am sure that none of those destinations will be daily but 2 to 5 weekly, depending of the city.

Indeed, here are the schedules from routesonline.com

Montpellier – Agadir eff 20JUN20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Athens eff 04APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Faro eff 03APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Irakleion eff 03APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Lisbon eff 05APR20 3 weekly
Montpellier – Madrid eff 05APR20 3 weekly
Montpellier – Marrakech eff 03APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Oujda eff 27JUN20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Palermo eff 03APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Palma Mallorca 05APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Rome eff 05APR20 2 weekly
Montpellier – Seville eff 05APR20 2 weekly

davidjohnson6 wrote:

That's a lot of destinations for a single airline to serve from a city with modest population and which is not known for being a major inbound tourist destination

With 610K inhabitants, Montpelier is the 14th urban area in France and is in fact the fastest growing. None of the routes announced will cater to inbound tourists but rather to Montpelliérains going south on vacations.

For summer 2020, AC had add a new daily flight to CDG with A333, shared between YUL (3 weekly) and YYZ (4 weekly).

AC810 YUL 2155 - 1050+1 CDG 246
AC811 CDG 1700 - 1845 YUL 246

AC812 YYZ 2130 - 1050+1 CDG x246
AC813 CDG 1700 - 1900 YYZ x246

Transavia France later this month is adding new route from Lyon, offering nonstop Lyon – Amman service. From 19DEC19, Boeing 737-800 aircraft will serve this route twice weekly.

TO4980 LYS1300 – 1830AMM 73H 15
TO4981 AMM1915 – 2245LYS 73H 15

Transavia to also open ORY-AMM from May 2020 twice a week.

https://www.air-journal.fr/2019-12-10-transavia-ouvre-un-paris-jordanie-5216808.html

After LH announced MUC-ORY, now it's AF's turn to do the same. Four daily is quite impressive.

AF7350 ORY0700 – 0830MUC E90 D
AF7352 ORY1610 – 1740MUC E90 D

AF7351 MUC0920 – 1050ORY E90 D
AF7353 MUC1840 – 2010ORY E90 D

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-s20/

Blerg wrote:

After LH announced MUC-ORY, now it's AF's turn to do the same. Four daily is quite impressive.

AF7350 ORY0700 – 0830MUC E90 D
AF7352 ORY1610 – 1740MUC E90 D

AF7351 MUC0920 – 1050ORY E90 D
AF7353 MUC1840 – 2010ORY E90 D

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-s20/

It's nice to see more non sun-bound destinations at ORY.

ro1960 wrote:

Blerg wrote:

After LH announced MUC-ORY, now it's AF's turn to do the same. Four daily is quite impressive.

AF7350 ORY0700 – 0830MUC E90 D
AF7352 ORY1610 – 1740MUC E90 D

AF7351 MUC0920 – 1050ORY E90 D
AF7353 MUC1840 – 2010ORY E90 D

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-s20/

It's nice to see more non sun-bound destinations at ORY.

I have a feeling yields will be really good on this route as they are too business heavy cities.

QR to launch LYS-DOH 5 times a week starting June 23rd.

https://www.flightglobal.com/networks/qatar-airways-unveils-eight-new-destinations-for-2020/136150.article

ZI (Aigle Azur) trafic rights have been redistributed as follow. AF via TO big winner on the France-Algeria market.

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/services/transport-logistique/air-france-et-transavia-raflent-l-essentiel-des-droits-de-trafic-d-aigle-azur-837374.html

TO (Transavia):
ORY > ORN, QSF, CZL, TLM.
LYS > BJA, CZL, ORN.
MRS, NCE, TLS > ALG.
TLS > ORN.
ORY > BEY

V7 (Volotea):
LYS > QSF
BOD > ALG
MRS > all Algerian destinations except ALG.

5O (ASL Airlines):
PAR > AAE
Additional flights to ALG
LYS > ALG
LIL > ALG, ORN

BF (French Bee):
> GRU

AF:
Additional flights to GRU and GIG

It will be interesting to see if these rights turn into actual route openings in the near future.

French Bee to GRU? I'm gonna guess that its gonna be from ORY. Crazy to think it went from a niche airline flying to Punta Cana. To now flying to RUN, PPT and even GRU...

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

French Bee to GRU? I'm gonna guess that its gonna be from ORY. Crazy to think it went from a niche airline flying to Punta Cana. To now flying to RUN, PPT and even GRU...

Like I wrote at the end of my post it'll be interesting to see if this materializes. But that would be their first destination in South America. All they need next is Asia to be global.

Air France/HOP has made adjustments to its French regional network to AMS for S20:

Reservations have been closed for:
- BES - AMS HOP CRJ 3x weekly
- CFE - AMS HOP CRJ 4x weekly

The freed AMS slot has been allocated to a 4th frequency NTE-AMS:

- NTE 07:10 - AMS 08:40 AF1692 CRK Mon-Sat
- NTE 12:20 - AMS 13:50 AF1792 CRK Daily
- NTE 14:30 - AMS 16:00 AF1492 ER4 Mon-Fri = NEW
- NTE 17:30 - AMS 19:00 AF1892 CRK Daily

- AMS 09:40 - NTE 11:15 AF1693 CRK Mon-Sat
- AMS 14:45 - NTE 16:20 AF1793 CRK Daily
- AMS 16:40 - NTE 18:15 AF1493 ER4 Mon-Fri = NEW
- AMS 20:15 - NTE 21:50 AF1893 CRK Daily

The route RNS-AMS remains 1x daily.
While the 3x daily MRS-AMS returns from KLM to AF metal: A319/A320

Yet another long haul connection to Nice: Gulf Air to open NCE-BAH with A321neo!


https://www.nice.aeroport.fr/Passagers/ ... c-Gulf-Air

FlySSC wrote:

CDG-TLN-CDG will be axed starting the winter schedule.

That's a real shame.

ro1960 wrote:

Change on the YUL-NCE route: AC replaces RV from May 8 through October 24, 2020.

5x week (days not specified) with a 3-class A333: 27J, 21Y+, 244Y.

YUL 18h45-NCE 08h10+1
NCE 13h30-YUL 16h00

Fantastic news to see how Long Haul traffic to Nice is growing so healthy. I look forwards to seeing an AC 330 on the Riviera.

ro1960 wrote:

Wizz Air links Georgia to Nice from December 12, 2019 with an A320:

W66459 KUT 14h20-NCE 16h05 Th, Su
W66460 NCE 16h35-KUT 23h50 Th, Su

Good to see this though I'm surprised there's still no link to Armenia from NCE considering the diaspora. Presumably most people get there via VIE with OS.