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Re: French routes news

Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:19 am

MrBren wrote:


TATL from CDG on a 737.

Ouch.... Is that a first?
 
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Re: French routes news

Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:15 pm

EasyJet will start three french routes from Berlin Tegel, Biarritz, Montpellier and Nice :

U2 5769 TXL 12:50-15:20 BIQ ----5-- 320 starts august 3rd
U2 5769 TXL 14:00-16:30 BIQ 1------ 320

U2 5670 BIQ 15:55-18:25 TXL ----5-- 320
U2 5670 BIQ 17:05-19:35 TXL 1------ 320

U2 5751 TXL 10:45-13:25 MPL 320 -2-4-6- 320 starts august 4th
U2 5752 MPL 13:55-16:35 TXL 320 -2-4-6- 320

U2 5761 TXL 11:00-13:20 NCE 320 --3---- 320 starts july 4th
U2 5761 TXL 16:15-18:35 NCE 320 -----6- 320

U2 5762 NCE 13:55-16:15 TXL 320 --3---- 320
U2 5762 NCE 19:10-21:30 TXL 320 -----6- 320
Next flights :
FRA-DTW (DL) / DTW-LAS (DL) / LAS-SEA (DL) / SEA-CDG (AF) / CDG-FRA (AF)
 
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Re: French routes news

Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:34 pm

jsfr wrote:
MrBren wrote:


TATL from CDG on a 737.

Ouch.... Is that a first?


Nope…..ASL Airlines have been flying between CDG and YHZ (Halifax) via DUB for the past few summers on a '737. But starting this summer ASL is flying non-stop between St. Pierre et Miquelon and CDG ...and they will no longer serve Halifax. Previous summers….St Pierre residents could take a short ATR flight on Air St. Pierre to connect thru YHZ to/fr CDG.

This will now be St. Pierre's first ever scheduled non-stop transatlantic service. They've always had to connect thru YHZ, YYT, or YUL.
 
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Re: French routes news

Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:05 pm

Quite interesting to read a bit of history about TLN! I was certainly wondering when LX announced this route and quite honestly had to consult Google Maps for its location. I understand that its a solely tourism driven region/destination thus the very low and seasonal only frequency to GVA (not even ZRH to my surprise...)?
 
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Re: French routes news

Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:50 pm

Surely, France is not a country as large as USA. However, I recently saw that an EK A380 links every day Nice (NCE) to Dubai (DXB). Rather correct, for a second category country, to have at least two airports capable to handle aircraft such as the A380, and to see that a city less important than Paris, can drive a traffic permitting use of the A380 !
 
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Re: French routes news

Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:28 pm

hotelima wrote:
Surely, France is not a country as large as USA. However, I recently saw that an EK A380 links every day Nice (NCE) to Dubai (DXB). Rather correct, for a second category country, to have at least two airports capable to handle aircraft such as the A380, and to see that a city less important than Paris, can drive a traffic permitting use of the A380 !

Correct, we call it the Emirates-Effect: connecting everybody to the East and South of Dubai and on a daily basis ;)
 
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Re: French routes news

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:46 am

hotelima wrote:
Surely, France is not a country as large as USA. However, I recently saw that an EK A380 links every day Nice (NCE) to Dubai (DXB). Rather correct, for a second category country, to have at least two airports capable to handle aircraft such as the A380, and to see that a city less important than Paris, can drive a traffic permitting use of the A380 !



You do realise that France is the second largest country in Europe and you also must realise the huge wealth of the Cote Dzur and the amount of wealth coming into the region 'think Antibes, Cannes, Monte Carlo, St Tropes' and your see that Nice rightly qualifies as an important secondary destination in France along with Paris CDG.

In comparison the United Kingdom is half the size of France with just a slightly larger population and Emirates serve 7 airports LHR A380, LGW A380, STN 77W, BHX A380, MAN A380, NCL B77W, GLA B77W.
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Re: French routes news

Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:42 pm

La Compagnie will transfer their services from CDG to ORY.
 
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Re: French routes news

Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:23 pm

hotelima wrote:
Surely, France is not a country as large as USA. However, I recently saw that an EK A380 links every day Nice (NCE) to Dubai (DXB). Rather correct, for a second category country, to have at least two airports capable to handle aircraft such as the A380, and to see that a city less important than Paris, can drive a traffic permitting use of the A380 !


Not related to the EK A380 but as for a country being large or not, you can take off in Paris, land in the Carribean, South America, North America, a few stops in the Pacific, a couple others in the Indian Ocean, and back to Paris, having landed in France at each stop.
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Re: French routes news

Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:41 am

AF to open Dubrovnik (2/7), Bari (5/7), Cagliari (7/7), Ibiza (3/7) and Perpignan (5/7) from CDG this summer (July 16th to September 2nd).

http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/press-release/5-new-mediterranean-destinations-summer-2018
 
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Aigle Azur new ORY-VCP eff 03/07/18

Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:30 pm

Aigle Azur has requested to VCP airport manager slots for ORY-VCP thrice weekly from July 3rd going up to 4 weekly from September 7th and then 5 weekly from September 8th onboard the 287-seat Airbus A330-200, according to the following schedule:

EFF 03JUL
ZI35 - ORY XXXX 2015 VCP - MoWeSa - 332
ZI36 - VCP 2215 XXXX ORY - MoWeSa - 332

EFF 07SEP

ZI35 - ORY XXXX 2015 VCP - MoWeThSa - 332
ZI36 - VCP 2215 XXXX ORY - MoWeThSa - 332

EFF 08SEP

ZI35 - ORY XXXX 2015 VCP - MoWeThSa - 332
ZI36 - VCP 2215 XXXX ORY - MoWeThSa - 332

ZI37 - ORY XXXX 2345 VCP - Fr - 332
ZI38 - VCP 0145 XXXX ORY - Sa - 332
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Re: Aigle Azur new ORY-VCP eff 03/07/18

Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:36 pm

Much needed new service at VCP. Given David Neeleman's investment at Aigle Azur certainly the airline will profit from Azul's hub there.
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Re: French routes news

Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:02 pm

Vueling to launch Rome FCO from CDG starting 25 March 2018.

Details in French https://www.tourmag.com/Vueling-lance-une-nouvelle-route-Roissy-Rome_a91490.html.
 
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Re: French routes news

Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:23 am

Aigle Azur wants to launch Orly - Sao Paulo using A332.

Details in French http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=145110657#post145110657
 
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Re: French routes news

Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:48 am

It seems JOON will be increasing CDG-CPT service by NW18/19, 5 weekly with A343...is that then overall increase in capacity on current AF 772 5 weekly? However AF continues to send 777-300ER now and then.
 
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Re: Aigle Azur new ORY-VCP eff 03/07/18

Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:40 pm

As expected the 2 A330-200 that will join Aigle Azur's fleet will come from Air Berlin:

F-HTIC (ex D-ALPC)
F-HTAC (ex D-ALPG)

Rumours say that Azul will take over the route from Aigle Azur as soon as the A330neos are delivered, just like they did with TP on the VCP-LIS flight. Only time will tell.
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Re: French routes news

Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:57 am

I'm curious if anyone in France is hearing any rumors about any new U.S. routes to be started this year from Paris? I'd appreciate hearing anything that's been heard or seen lately.

Merci
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Re: French routes news

Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:06 am

With the IATA summer season virtually upon us which starts on the 26 March 2018 I can't see any new US routes being announced from France for this year. If any new route to the USA from France commenced after that date it would start very late in the season unless it's announced for 2019.
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Re: French routes news

Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:28 am

Cunard wrote:
With the IATA summer season virtually upon us which starts on the 26 March 2018 I can't see any new US routes being announced from France for this year. If any new route to the USA from France commenced after that date it would start very late in the season unless it's announced for 2019.


Thank you, Cunard. That's just what I was wondering.

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Re: French routes news

Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:24 pm

easyJet to open Chania (CHQ) in Crete from LYS this summer (June 25th to August 31st)
2 flights per week on Monday and Friday.

Sales already open on U2 website.
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Re: French routes news

Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:08 pm

 
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Re: French routes news

Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:53 pm

Summer 2018 new routes at NCE:

U2: CTA 2x, CHQ 1x, SVQ 2-3x, TFS 2x (5th A320 to be based at NCE in the Spring, objective +10% pax in 2018).
SK: AAR
LO (Nordica): GRQ
V7: MLA, SPU
W6: SOF
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Re: French routes news

Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:16 pm

ro1960 wrote:
Summer 2018 new routes at NCE:

U2: CTA 2x, CHQ 1x, SVQ 2-3x, TFS 2x (5th A320 to be based at NCE in the Spring, objective +10% pax in 2018).
SK: AAR
LO (Nordica): GRQ
V7: MLA, SPU
W6: SOF


Nordica flight is an odd one. Do they get subventions to fly this route?
 
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Re: French routes news

Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:47 pm

Blerg wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
Summer 2018 new routes at NCE:

U2: CTA 2x, CHQ 1x, SVQ 2-3x, TFS 2x (5th A320 to be based at NCE in the Spring, objective +10% pax in 2018).
SK: AAR
LO (Nordica): GRQ
V7: MLA, SPU
W6: SOF


Nordica flight is an odd one. Do they get subventions to fly this route?


Odd because it's Nordica or because it's GRQ? This article mentions a "constructive cooperation" between the airline and Groningen. I guess this can be interpreted in many ways:

http://www.air-journal.fr/2017-12-22-192195-5192195.html
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Re: French routes news

Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:31 pm

ro1960 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
Summer 2018 new routes at NCE:

U2: CTA 2x, CHQ 1x, SVQ 2-3x, TFS 2x (5th A320 to be based at NCE in the Spring, objective +10% pax in 2018).
SK: AAR
LO (Nordica): GRQ
V7: MLA, SPU
W6: SOF


Nordica flight is an odd one. Do they get subventions to fly this route?


Odd because it's Nordica or because it's GRQ? This article mentions a "constructive cooperation" between the airline and Groningen. I guess this can be interpreted in many ways:

http://www.air-journal.fr/2017-12-22-192195-5192195.html


I think because of both, I mean Nordica is owned by LO and they are based in TLL. It reminded me of Adria which had a Lodz base because of subventions it received.
 
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Re: French routes news

Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:54 pm

Smartwings adds Paris CDG – Varna route in S18.

QS3712 CDG0605 – 1025VAR 73H 2
QS3713 VAR1955 – 2215CDG 73H 2

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/277497/smartwings-adds-paris-cdg-varna-route-in-s18/
 
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Re: French routes news

Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:55 pm

ASL Airlines France in summer 2018 season is adding various routes to the Middle East and North Africa, operating on seasonal basis.

Bordeaux – Oran 04JUL18 – 05SEP18 1 weekly (Day 3) 737-300
Bordeaux – Strasbourg – Oujda 14JUN18 – 13SEP18 1 weekly (Day 4) 737-300
Bordeaux – Toulon 02JUL18 – 10SEP18 2 weekly (Day 15) 737-300
Paris CDG – Montpellier – Oujda 13JUN18 – 12SEP18 1 weekly (Day 3) 737-700
Paris CDG – Tel Aviv 03JUL18 – 30AUG18 2 weekly (Day 24) 737-700
Perpignan – Oran 04JUL18 – 05SEP18 1 weekly (Day 3) 737-300
Toulon – Algiers 06JUL18 – 14SEP18 1 weekly (Day 5) 737-300
Toulon – Oran 02JUL18 – 10SEP18 1 weekly (Day 1) 737-300

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/277540/asl-airlines-france-schedules-new-seasonal-routes-in-s18/
 
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Re: French routes news

Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:22 pm

Air France in summer 2018 season is leasing Fokker 100 aircraft to support its operation between France and The Netherlands, operated by Trade Air.
From 25MAR18, Trade Air Fokker 100 aircraft will operate following service for Air France.

Rennes – Amsterdam eff 25MAR18 10 weekly
AF1030 RNS1000 – 1135AMS 100 Daily
AF1128 RNS1415 – 1550AMS 100 246

AF1129 AMS1210 – 1340RNS 100 246
AF1031 AMS1630 – 1755RNS 100 Daily

This route was launched in
- 2016 1x daily E145
- 2017 10x weekly CRJ700
- 2018 10x weekly Fokker 100

Clermont-Ferrand – Amsterdam eff 25MAR18 4 weekly
AF1556 CFE1415 – 1545AMS 100 x246
AF1557 AMS1210 – 1340CFE 100 x246

aircraft operates:
- RNS-AMS-CFE-AMS-RNS x246
- RNS-AMS-RNS-AMS-RNS 246

http://www.routesonline.com
 
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Re: French routes news

Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:42 pm

Avanti Air F100 also being used on ORY-LDE.
 
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Re: French routes news

Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:41 am

ghYHZ wrote:
But starting this summer ASL is flying non-stop between St. Pierre et Miquelon and CDG ...and they will no longer serve Halifax. Previous summers….St Pierre residents could take a short ATR flight on Air St. Pierre to connect thru YHZ to/fr CDG.

This will now be St. Pierre's first ever scheduled non-stop transatlantic service. They've always had to connect thru YHZ, YYT, or YUL.

I think this will not last long...
 
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Re: French routes news

Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:32 am

I think the TUIfly routes to DJE will wait till the Open Sky agreement enter into effect. Meanwhile they can operate under a masked Corsair flight number.
 
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Re: French routes news

Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:38 am

 
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Re: French routes news

Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:02 am

Great news regarding Qantas making a return to France and resuming a direct link from Australia to Paris with this announcement of PER to CDG.
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Re: French routes news

Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:55 pm

MrBren wrote:


Thanks for posting. Interesting part of the article :

"On a flight of this duration, the carrier worked with dieticians and specialized researchers to offer the best comfort of flight to passengers who will be invited to move about the plane every 4 hours".
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Re: French routes news

Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:02 pm

I'm surprised that the news of Qantas returning to France with this announcement of PER to CDG hasn't had it's own thread started as it's very newsworthy.
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Re: Aigle Azur new ORY-VCP eff 03/07/18

Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:02 am

HELLO
You mean that Aigle azur are just here for the beginning of this vcp ory ?
 
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Re: French routes news

Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:01 pm

New AF Group routes:

For the 2018 summer season (from March 25 to October 27, 2018), Air France-KLM is increasing capacity by 4.1% compared to the previous summer season*. Growth will be driven by Transavia’s low-cost operations (+10.6%), the long-haul passenger network (+3.9%) and the short and medium-haul passenger network (+1.4%).

On departure from France, total growth will be 19%, mainly driven by departures from the French regions such as Lyon and Nantes. Transavia will mainly increase capacity to Morocco, Greece and Tunisia to meet the strong demand of leisure travellers.

https://worldairlinenews.com/2018/03/14/air-france-klm-presents-its-summer-schedule-with-a-4-1-increase/
Some may already be in the thread


AF

CDG-BGO
CDG-CTN
CDG-NBO 3x 787
CDG-SEA 5x 772
CDG-TPE 3x 772


A5

AJA-CFR
AJA-NTE
BIA-DCM
BIA-ETZ
BIA-NTE
BIA-PGF
BOD-CLY
BOD-DUS
CDG-ORK
CDG-TLN
CDG-WRO
CLY-BRU
LIL-BES
LIL-TLN
LYS-AJA
LYS-BIA
LYS-CLY
LYS-FSC
LYS-NUE
LYS-URO
MPL-ALG
MRS-BEY
MRS-CFR
MRS-ETZ
MRS-GVA
NTE-HAM
ORY-LRH
SXB-BIA
SXB-RNS
SXB-TLN
TLN-GVA
TLS-CFR
TLS-FCS
TLS-IBZ


JN
CDG-SEZ


KL

NTE-AMS


TO

LYS-AGP
LYS-CTN
LYS-DJE
LYS-PMO
NTE-AGA
NTE-CMN
NTE-CTN
NTE-DJE
NTE-FCO
ORY-ALC
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ORY-OLB
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APG Airlines

Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:38 pm

Tiny "airline" that used to just be a ticketing company like Hahn Air but was forced to start flying a route to remain an IATA member. They used to offer Nice-Bergamo at 500 euros oneway or 900 euros return; same price if you booked months in advance or 1 day before. Clearly this Beechcraft operated route wasn't intended for the mass market and presumably had very few paying passengers

APG have recently changed to now flying Lorient-Toulouse instead. Is there an active intention to sell tickets to passengers or is this a paper airline which seems reluctant to deal with real passengers ?
 
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Re: French routes news

Sun Mar 25, 2018 5:46 am

In case not clear the last post was about APG Airlines
 
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Re: French routes news

Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:02 pm

When will Joon A340 be ready, haven't seen any pictures of it yet? Cape Town and Tehran is to start in a week's time...?
 
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Re: French routes news

Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:11 pm

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When will Joon A340 be ready, haven't seen any pictures of it yet? Cape Town and Tehran is to start in a week's time...?



Former AF 340 F-GLZP has been changed over to Joon. New cabin, and repainted.
 
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Re: French routes news

Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:57 am

grjplanes wrote:
When will Joon A340 be ready, haven't seen any pictures of it yet? Cape Town and Tehran is to start in a week's time...?


Some shots on the Joon twitter:

https://twitter.com/weflyjoon/status/977882000936718337

And here:

https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/1040104/f-glzp-joon-airbus-a340-300/

Still curious to see the interior revamp.
 
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Re: French routes news

Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:32 pm

Aigle Azur to open Milan Malpensa starting September 2018 once a day, I suppose from Paris Orly.

Below here is the new livery by the way.

Image

https://www.businesstravel.fr/aigle-azur-mise-sur-le-bresil-la-chine-et-l-italie.html
 
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Re: French routes news

Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:39 am

MrBren wrote:
Below here is the new livery by the way.


Very smart, I like it, thanks for sharing.

MrBren wrote:
Aigle Azur to open Milan Malpensa starting September 2018 once a day, I suppose from Paris Orly.


Indeed :

ZI 643 ORY 0800 - 0925 MXP 320 1-3-5-7
ZI 645 ORY 1710 - 1825 MXP 320 -2-----
ZI 645 ORY 1655 - 1820 MXP 320 ---4---


ZI 644 MXP 1025 - 1155 ORY 320 1-3-5-7
ZI 646 MXP 1935 - 2105 ORY 320 -2-4---
Next flights :
FRA-DTW (DL) / DTW-LAS (DL) / LAS-SEA (DL) / SEA-CDG (AF) / CDG-FRA (AF)
 
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Re: French routes news

Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:10 am

stylo777 wrote:
Quite interesting to read a bit of history about TLN! I was certainly wondering when LX announced this route and quite honestly had to consult Google Maps for its location. I understand that its a solely tourism driven region/destination thus the very low and seasonal only frequency to GVA (not even ZRH to my surprise...)?


Toulon has the largest Naval base in western europe - home base of the Charles de Gaulle nuclear aircraft carrier. Also a large naval construction industry. That's a lot of business (think, Nuclear, Arms, Government business, etc.), whenever I go (3-4 times a year) the flights are much more "business" than leisure and quite full (and expensive) from Orly.

I was flying out last night and there was a big ceremony in the terminal for the launch of the AF TLN-CDG route (I flew to Orly, I would have preferred the CDG flight but it was almost double the price)

Those politicians can talk (and they all had to have a speech), but clearly the main motivation was to have an AF destination half-way between NCE and MRS.
 
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Re: French routes news

Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:46 am

Alsatian wrote:
MrBren wrote:
Below here is the new livery by the way.


Very smart, I like it, thanks for sharing.

MrBren wrote:
Aigle Azur to open Milan Malpensa starting September 2018 once a day, I suppose from Paris Orly.


Indeed :

ZI 643 ORY 0800 - 0925 MXP 320 1-3-5-7
ZI 645 ORY 1710 - 1825 MXP 320 -2-----
ZI 645 ORY 1655 - 1820 MXP 320 ---4---


ZI 644 MXP 1025 - 1155 ORY 320 1-3-5-7
ZI 646 MXP 1935 - 2105 ORY 320 -2-4---


Is Aigle Azure moving into regular operations? I thought they were mostly about charter flights?
 
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Re: French routes news

Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:01 am

jsfr wrote:
stylo777 wrote:
Quite interesting to read a bit of history about TLN! I was certainly wondering when LX announced this route and quite honestly had to consult Google Maps for its location. I understand that its a solely tourism driven region/destination thus the very low and seasonal only frequency to GVA (not even ZRH to my surprise...)?


Toulon has the largest Naval base in western europe - home base of the Charles de Gaulle nuclear aircraft carrier. Also a large naval construction industry. That's a lot of business (think, Nuclear, Arms, Government business, etc.), whenever I go (3-4 times a year) the flights are much more "business" than leisure and quite full (and expensive) from Orly.

I was flying out last night and there was a big ceremony in the terminal for the launch of the AF TLN-CDG route (I flew to Orly, I would have preferred the CDG flight but it was almost double the price)

Those politicians can talk (and they all had to have a speech), but clearly the main motivation was to have an AF destination half-way between NCE and MRS.


It's a bit of a mystery why TLN is so underdeveloped in terms of routes. The Var département is a major tourist destination (St Tropez is only 1,5 hour away by road) and yet cities like AMS and LHR don't have a direct flight whereas RTM (4x) and SOU (1x) do. Aside from ORY and CDG (8 daily) all other destinations are served once a week. See map here: http://www.toulon-hyeres.aeroport.fr/destinations/carte
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Re: French routes news

Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:58 am

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simpv wrote:
Thanks for the topic thread. I fly often to LYS, but always wondered why any city other than Paris has few--if any--connections to North America. There's only the LYS-YUL and seasonal NCE-JFK. Is it that premium traffic is just lower? Or that AF chooses to funnel everybody through CDG? I would imagine there are opportunities for Transatlantic expansion to at least NYC.


I believe it all boils down to the quasi-monopoly that AF enjoys in France, and their Paris-focused mentality. If BA is often jokingly referred to as Air London, then AF can certainly be called Air Paris!
I don't dispute the numbers or the lower yields of non-Parisian airports in France, but surely there is a lot of room for growth for long-haul flights from "The Regions". After all France is a large country, with lots of big cities.
Also, bear in mind that in the past even AF used to fly direct to JFK from Nice, Marseille, Lyon and perhaps Bordeaux, on the tri-class A310...


Actually France is a small country, with only medium size cities (beside Paris). Lyon and Marseille, the two biggest cities after Paris barely reach 1 Million people ( if you compare to Germany for example, slightly bigger in size with several cities well over 1 Million People). Yet, France has the highest rate of commercial airports per habitant in Europe, with an extensive domestic network, despite the ferocious TGV (Hight Speed Train) competition.
Air France has lost its monopoly a long time ago and Easy Jet or Ryanair operate several domestic routes in France, mostly from Province to Provîce where the TGV is not a competitor.
There’s been several attempt in the past for a LYS-JFK : AF, AA, DL... all of them failed. Don’t forget that GVA is very close to LYS. Maybe in a close future with A321NeoLR this route could be profitable.
Concerning the routes launched by AF and UTA in 1989/90 with A310 and DC10 from BOD, TLS, MPL, LIL, SXB it lasted juste a few months and was a total fiasco.
YUL is another story. The market is huge during the summer between France and Quebec for obvious historical reasons. Air Transat even operates some nonstop YUL-CFE !
 
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Re: French routes news

Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:06 am

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jsfr wrote:
stylo777 wrote:
Quite interesting to read a bit of history about TLN! I was certainly wondering when LX announced this route and quite honestly had to consult Google Maps for its location. I understand that its a solely tourism driven region/destination thus the very low and seasonal only frequency to GVA (not even ZRH to my surprise...)?


Toulon has the largest Naval base in western europe - home base of the Charles de Gaulle nuclear aircraft carrier. Also a large naval construction industry. That's a lot of business (think, Nuclear, Arms, Government business, etc.), whenever I go (3-4 times a year) the flights are much more "business" than leisure and quite full (and expensive) from Orly.

I was flying out last night and there was a big ceremony in the terminal for the launch of the AF TLN-CDG route (I flew to Orly, I would have preferred the CDG flight but it was almost double the price)

Those politicians can talk (and they all had to have a speech), but clearly the main motivation was to have an AF destination half-way between NCE and MRS.


It's a bit of a mystery why TLN is so underdeveloped in terms of routes. The Var département is a major tourist destination (St Tropez is only 1,5 hour away by road) and yet cities like AMS and LHR don't have a direct flight whereas RTM (4x) and SOU (1x) do. Aside from ORY and CDG (8 daily) all other destinations are served once a week. See map here: http://www.toulon-hyeres.aeroport.fr/destinations/carte


Toulon (TLN) is stuck between Marseille (MRS), just 50 miles away and Nice (NCE) 100 miles aways. Both cities have always attracted most of the traffic.
The airport is originally a Navi Air Base. The Terminal was built in the 60´s on a piece of land « given » by the Navy but the Runways and ATC are still controlled by the Military.
The traffic is also very seasonal. From June to September is the super high season. TLN is the closest and fastest access to the famous resort St Tropez but during the rest of the year, Toulon is a dead city and traveling via MRS or NCE is easy.
 
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Re: French routes news

Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:34 pm

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Actually France is a small country, with only medium size cities (beside Paris). Lyon and Marseille, the two biggest cities after Paris barely reach 1 Million people ( if you compare to Germany for example, slightly bigger in size with several cities well over 1 Million People). Yet, France has the highest rate of commercial airports per habitant in Europe, with an extensive domestic network, despite the ferocious TGV (Hight Speed Train) competition.


I don't think you can use "small country" for France. It's the 1st largest in size in Western Europe (if you exclude Russia and Ukraine) and 2nd in population behind Germany that is NOT "slighly bigger", but actually much smaller (357,000 km2 vs 550,000)!

You also have to take into account the catchment area and not just the cities' populations. Nice is the 5th largest city in France with less than 350,000 inhabitants but is in the midst of a 1 million people conurbation. This and the region's appeal explains the 13 million pax at NCE. Marseille is in a 1.8 million metro area, Lyon 2.2.

Tying population and air traffic is a wrong shortcut.

That said, it's true that France is over-centralised and both rail and air transport are focused on Paris.
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