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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:05 am

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/b-kpb
B-KPB has been flown to XMN for what I presume will be its retirment from the CX fleet.
 
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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:23 am

Why are CX dumping 77Ws?
 
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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:50 am

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Why are CX dumping 77Ws?

End of lease, and more efficient planes coming online. 77W is heavy and fuel guzzler (yes especially compared with A350-1000s CX are getting). CX also flew them a lot on shorthauls (in addition to all other birds) which can certainly be replaced by something else.

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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:30 am

eamondzhang wrote:
KICT wrote:
Why are CX dumping 77Ws?

End of lease, and more efficient planes coming online. 77W is heavy and fuel guzzler (yes especially compared with A350-1000s CX are getting). CX also flew them a lot on shorthauls (in addition to all other birds) which can certainly be replaced by something else.

Michael

Omg, "B77W" and "heavy and fuel guzzler" in same sentence, you are going to anger a lot of fans here! Makes me feel so old! Hahaha!
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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:13 am

juliuswong wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
KICT wrote:
Why are CX dumping 77Ws?

End of lease, and more efficient planes coming online. 77W is heavy and fuel guzzler (yes especially compared with A350-1000s CX are getting). CX also flew them a lot on shorthauls (in addition to all other birds) which can certainly be replaced by something else.

Michael

Omg, "B77W" and "heavy and fuel guzzler" in same sentence, you are going to anger a lot of fans here! Makes me feel so old! Hahaha!


Sic transit gloria mundi! Always. The efficiency wonder of yesterday is the gas guzzler of today and scrap value tomorrow. That of course is also true for the 77W as for anything else that came before or is coming after from now.
 
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:26 am

na wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
End of lease, and more efficient planes coming online. 77W is heavy and fuel guzzler (yes especially compared with A350-1000s CX are getting). CX also flew them a lot on shorthauls (in addition to all other birds) which can certainly be replaced by something else.

Michael

Omg, "B77W" and "heavy and fuel guzzler" in same sentence, you are going to anger a lot of fans here! Makes me feel so old! Hahaha!


Sic transit gloria mundi! Always. The efficiency wonder of yesterday is the gas guzzler of today and scrap value tomorrow. That of course is also true for the 77W as for anything else that came before or is coming after from now.

Exactly, that's how the technology advance for the past hundreds of years and it'll most likely be how things will happen in the future. I know I'm gonna annoy a lot of fans here but sadly that's the truth. Personally not a fan of 77W apart from maybe the appearance, but (off topic) nothing beats A346 :duck:

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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:12 pm

Latest update on B-KPB is that it is going to Norwind Airlines to be VP-BJP
 
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:17 pm

Rumours indicate that the next two 777-300ER's to exit the Emirates fleet is A6-EBF, and A6-EBH somewhere in 2019
 
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Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:18 pm

Just now, I receive some rumoured that Russia is receiving more 77W from other airline. Examples are Azur Air is receiving 3 77W (MSN 32707, 32708, 32728) from Emirates. Another one former B-KPB is now heading to Xiamen for Nordwind Airlines.
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Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:21 pm

BOEING777EK wrote:
Rumours indicate that the next two 777-300ER's to exit the Emirates fleet is A6-EBF, and A6-EBH somewhere in 2019

I heard too. Both maybe will go to Azur Air. Plus EBV which will go to Azur Air at end of Year, These 77W's will probably go for this Russian airline by 2019. I just figured it out today morning after I wake up. I think the last EB* series for EK by 2019 is EBX, EBZ and ECB.
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Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:33 pm

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Latest update on B-KPB is that it is going to Nordwind Airlines to be VP-BJP

Yup it is already in Xiamen for maintenance prior delivery.
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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:38 pm

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B-HNB (CX) seems to have been removed from service (not sure temporary or permanent). It has been repositioned to XMN as of Sep 21 2018.

Probably Permanent if possible.
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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:48 pm

https://news.cathaypacific.com/cathay-p ... ion-museum

Why is Boeing involved in the decision to donate this to Pima? Do they hold a lease on it?
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:24 pm

SuperGee wrote:
https://news.cathaypacific.com/cathay-pacific-boeing-to-donate-world-s-1st-777-to-aviation-museum

Why is Boeing involved in the decision to donate this to Pima? Do they hold a lease on it?


I imagine there was something written into the contract when it went to Cathay about what would happen when it was retired.
 
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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:21 am

Looks like Thai HS-TJA and HS-TJD are finished. The first hasnt flown for 6 weeks, the other for more than two months. Both are at DMK since then where the airline stores most retired aircraft.
 
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Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:35 am

na wrote:
Looks like Thai HS-TJA and HS-TJD are finished. The first hasnt flown for 6 weeks, the other for more than two months. Both are at DMK since then where the airline stores most retired aircraft.

I'm not surprised, having done mostly domestic and regional flights in hot & humid climates for over 20 years they must have had a hard life.
Wonder if they'll fly them over to the UK at Kemble for disposal like their two sisterships a while back.
 
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Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:00 pm

na wrote:
Looks like Thai HS-TJA and HS-TJD are finished. The first hasnt flown for 6 weeks, the other for more than two months. Both are at DMK since then where the airline stores most retired aircraft.


I'm booked to fly Chiang Mai - Bangkok in 3 weeks time on TG121 and I'm hoping on that day it's a 772 rather than a 773 or 77W which have been flying on it recently...
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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:18 pm

Saw N176GT at Kemble today.

They have cut off the nose.

The top of the fuselage is gone back to the leading edge.

Doubt it will be there for much longer.
 
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Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:17 am

CX is announcing 77W retirement which 5 are confirmed leased, KPB, KPC, KPG, KPH, KPJ are to be retired. KPB are already gone as of earlier this month and KPC is following about next month or later and the last 3 will be gone around 2019. In addition to that, the 17 773 CX currently used will only spent not very much long until their 777-9 arrived and then it will gradually retired.
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:44 am

SQ789 wrote:
CX is announcing 77W retirement which 5 are confirmed leased, KPB, KPC, KPG, KPH, KPJ are to be retired. KPB are already gone as of earlier this month and KPC is following about next month or later and the last 3 will be gone around 2019. In addition to that, the 17 773 CX currently used will only spent not very much long until their 777-9 arrived and then it will gradually retired.

Over the next few years, we will see B773/B77W having same fate as what happened to A330 used market. The mass production completed previously will lead to depressed second hand value of used aircraft. Pretty surprised to see CX retiring young B77W fleet when few years ago they added second hand B744 to build up their capacity aggressively, only to be beaten few years down the road due to high fuel prices and couldn't get B77W fast enough to replace the Queen.
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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:49 am

Boeing 777-2Q8ER 28689 365 OE-LPG Austrian Airlines delivery 26 oct 18 MEX-GYR ex N774AM
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

Looks like the 4th AM 777 is joining its sister in Austrian Airlines.
 
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Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:14 pm

And the former A6-EBV of Emirates is seen in Azur Air livery earlier this month. A man from Turkey captures this shot in his IG.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpB_2chFF83/?tagged=a6ebv
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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:46 pm

juliuswong wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
CX is announcing 77W retirement which 5 are confirmed leased, KPB, KPC, KPG, KPH, KPJ are to be retired. KPB are already gone as of earlier this month and KPC is following about next month or later and the last 3 will be gone around 2019. In addition to that, the 17 773 CX currently used will only spent not very much long until their 777-9 arrived and then it will gradually retired.

Over the next few years, we will see B773/B77W having same fate as what happened to A330 used market. The mass production completed previously will lead to depressed second hand value of used aircraft. Pretty surprised to see CX retiring young B77W fleet when few years ago they added second hand B744 to build up their capacity aggressively, only to be beaten few years down the road due to high fuel prices and couldn't get B77W fast enough to replace the Queen.


I think you are right, besides that, are their 77w that old or that inefficient which weighs up to the investment in new airplanes?
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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:33 pm

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Boeing 777-2Q8ER 28689 365 OE-LPG Austrian Airlines delivery 26 oct 18 MEX-GYR ex N774AM
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

Looks like the 4th AM 777 is joining its sister in Austrian Airlines.


What did you read? It says storage in Goodyear, apparently NOT for AUA!
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:24 am

LATAM B777-32W/ER PT-MUI has returned to Brazil in new colour from Abu Dhabi after storage since April 2018. Airliners.net competitor website has a beautiful photo of it.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:06 am

As of 16/11/2018:
A6-EBF, A6-EBH is currently due for Royal Flight as VQ-???. Interesting to see their 2 class 2005 models will soon be away.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:36 pm

anyone knows the current status of TG HS-TJA and HS-TJD?
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:58 pm

TheEuphorian wrote:
anyone knows the current status of TG HS-TJA and HS-TJD?


HS-TJA currently flying
HS-TJD last flew on the 10 August 2018 - Dhaka to Bangkok (DMK)
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:47 am

Udpates 20th Nov 2018:
B 777-2H6 29065 329 9M-MRL Malaysia Airlines ferried 15nov18 SZB-MCI, Zimbabwe Airways cs, ntu
B777-21H 29325 176 VP-BMR IrAero for delivery 19nov18 ADD-DME ex 2-RLAN
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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:48 am

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Over the next few years, we will see B773/B77W having same fate as what happened to A330 used market. The mass production completed previously will lead to depressed second hand value of used aircraft.

Yes. CX is replacing with new A350-1000. Same size, lower operating costs. A win for airlines that fly high utilization with low financing costs.

While the quantity increases the availability, I believe the depressed pricing will be more the A35K, A359, and various 787 models. Fragmentation is a real effect.

Boeing needs a conversion program.

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Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:28 pm

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Boeing needs a (777) conversion program.


While speculation has been the cost of swapping out the main deck's CFRP floor beams for aluminum ones is a stumbling block, Bedek/IAI and Boeing have been investigating separate programs for almost a decade now.
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:16 pm

I went past Kemble today.

The nose of N176GT is sill there, but the rest of it has now gone.
 
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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:35 am

Update on 13th Dec 2018:
B777-237LR 36300 610 A6-LRA Etihad Airways ferried 12dec18 LETL-SBD after storage

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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:58 am

CX's 772 B-HNB has just ferried to LAX for retirement as well.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:10 am

hongkongflyer wrote:
CX's 772 B-HNB has just ferried to LAX for retirement as well.

Image

Thanks for the info. 23 years young bird. She is done for, not sure if any Russian airlines will pick her up when EK has much younger birds coming off lease.
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:30 pm

juliuswong wrote:
Update on 13th Dec 2018:
B777-237LR 36300 610 A6-LRA Etihad Airways ferried 12dec18 LETL-SBD after storage

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Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4


To further elaborate: A6-LRA is to be scrapped in KSBD. Eventually, her sisterships will follow.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:42 pm

gabep wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
Update on 13th Dec 2018:
B777-237LR 36300 610 A6-LRA Etihad Airways ferried 12dec18 LETL-SBD after storage

Image
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4


To further elaborate: A6-LRA is to be scrapped in KSBD. Eventually, her sisterships will follow.


Honestly, its surprising to me these 6 aircraft that are about 10 years old can't find a new operator. I know they have a history and there are other similarly capable aircraft, but still...surprising. I was hoping DL would pick them up!
 
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Re: The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018

Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:11 pm

Isn't a -237 an Ex Air India -LR? No wonder nobody wants them third hand.
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:25 am

jbs2886 wrote:
gabep wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
Update on 13th Dec 2018:
B777-237LR 36300 610 A6-LRA Etihad Airways ferried 12dec18 LETL-SBD after storage

Image
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4


To further elaborate: A6-LRA is to be scrapped in KSBD. Eventually, her sisterships will follow.


Honestly, its surprising to me these 6 aircraft that are about 10 years old can't find a new operator. I know they have a history and there are other similarly capable aircraft, but still...surprising. I was hoping DL would pick them up!


I agree, it seems untimely. However, with more modern equipment options available that are able to operate more efficiently on a broader range of mission profiles it was only a matter of time. DL’s order for the A350 and A330NEO makes adding additional 777s unlikely—indeed unwise, especially -200LRs. Furthermore, with the debut of the A350ULR and the soon to be 777-8 the unique abilities of the 777-200LR can be matched or beat, but with better economics.

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Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:42 am

juliuswong wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:
CX's 772 B-HNB has just ferried to LAX for retirement as well.

Image

Thanks for the info. 23 years young bird. She is done for, not sure if any Russian airlines will pick her up when EK has much younger birds coming off lease.

Not only she is retired, but she will be used for destructive test by US Army! What a sad ending.

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Boeing 777-267 27266 18 B-HNB Cathay Pacific ferried 11-13dec18 XMN-HKG-LAX-APG, for destructive tests by US Army
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

This is the second 777 to be blown up after they blew up an ex-SV B772 HZ-AKF for destructive testing purposes.
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:37 am

Update:
Boeing 777-2J6 29748 349 B-2069 Air China ferried 17dec18 PEK-ANC-VCV for storage, Was last pax 772 in China
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:17 am

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