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Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:33 am

I haven't heard anything about this in quite some time. Does anyone know what the status is on the fate of the AA A350 order? If they cancel it, what will they replace it with?
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:37 am

The order is under review.
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:39 am

Plenty of people hope the order will be cancelled.
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:56 am

And then there's people like me who hope they do commit to the order :)
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:00 am

scbriml wrote:
Plenty of people hope the order will be cancelled.


Why?
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:19 am

I don't think AA has any pressing need to make this decision right now. They seem to be very happy with the 787's they have recently ordered. The question is what they will ultimately replace 77E and 77W frames with.

My guess is the 77E's get replaced with 789's. The 77W decision is many years away. Personally, I don't see A350 coming to AA anytime soon.
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:40 am

jubguy3 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Plenty of people hope the order will be cancelled.


Why?


Because they are an American airline therefore they must buy American planes in a lot of peoples eyes.

People had a shock when United made the changes to their A350 order, then you see the threads popping up like "are delta happy with the A350?".
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:00 am

The whole story about American planes is a pile of you-know-what. End of argument. Whether an airline chooses one plane or another doesn't depend on the country of origin, but on if they can use it profitably, or if they can get more out of it than the competition. Hence the DL A321neo order, the UA A350 order, and AA going to Airbus for the A320 instead of more 737's.
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:05 am

They are going to Swop A350 for 330neo
 
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Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:51 am

They're going to "play United" and order more of them to replace all theirs 777-200ERs, eventually. Contrary to what many Airbus-haters wish for.
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:12 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
I haven't heard anything about this in quite some time. Does anyone know what the status is on the fate of the AA A350 order? If they cancel it, what will they replace it with?

We already have an a350 AA thread.

This came out of your pure annoyance that Delta had the audacity to order Airbus or that Airbus might order more from Delta. Give it a rest. This is truly sad.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:44 pm

The fact AA has ordered Dreamliners doesn't mean they'll cancel the A350s. The A350 is mostly a 777 replacement. The Dreamliner is kind of a super-A330 with the ability to serve 777-ER ranges (for the -8 and -9), or a 777-200 replacement (for the -10).

They're both very useful and flexible aircraft families... which explains why plenty of airlines (Etihad, Qatar, Singapore, JAL for examples) have ordered both 787 and A350s.

They're not substitutes. A huge number of airlines can find roles for both families.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:16 pm

Dont the 350s go back to Airbus helping US out of BK many moons ago?
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:36 pm

The A350 order will be decided once American Airlines determines what it will want to replace the 47 777-200ER's in the fleet.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:40 pm

tphuang wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
I haven't heard anything about this in quite some time. Does anyone know what the status is on the fate of the AA A350 order? If they cancel it, what will they replace it with?

We already have an a350 AA thread.

This came out of your pure annoyance that Delta had the audacity to order Airbus or that Airbus might order more from Delta. Give it a rest. This is truly sad.


1. Where is it?

2. Did I say anything about Delta at the top? No, this has nothing to do with that. I was just curious about what AA was doing with their A350s. What is truly sad is you jumping to conclusions.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:44 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
I haven't heard anything about this in quite some time. Does anyone know what the status is on the fate of the AA A350 order? If they cancel it, what will they replace it with?

We already have an a350 AA thread.

This came out of your pure annoyance that Delta had the audacity to order Airbus or that Airbus might order more from Delta. Give it a rest. This is truly sad.


1. Where is it?

2. Did I say anything about Delta at the top? No, this has nothing to do with that. I was just curious about what AA was doing with their A350s. What is truly sad is you jumping to conclusions.


Try google. There have been at least one recent thread on it after leeham had an article on fate of aa a350.

You started this question in the delta thread all because people suggested delta should get more a350 to replace 777. Give it a rest. This might be the first time I have seen a new thread created asking when an order might be cancelled because someone speculated that another airline might order a plane. Goodness, the audacity of airlines to order planes not designed by a domestic aircraft maker.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:02 pm

tphuang wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
We already have an a350 AA thread.

This came out of your pure annoyance that Delta had the audacity to order Airbus or that Airbus might order more from Delta. Give it a rest. This is truly sad.


1. Where is it?

2. Did I say anything about Delta at the top? No, this has nothing to do with that. I was just curious about what AA was doing with their A350s. What is truly sad is you jumping to conclusions.


Try google. There have been at least one recent thread on it after leeham had an article on fate of aa a350.

You started this question in the delta thread all because people suggested delta should get more a350 to replace 777. Give it a rest. This might be the first time I have seen a new thread created asking when an order might be cancelled because someone speculated that another airline might order a plane. Goodness, the audacity of airlines to order planes not designed by a domestic aircraft maker.


Again, this does not have anything to do with Delta. I don't care if AA keeps the A350 order or not. If you don't want to contribute to this thread, don't comment. Goodness, the audacity of asking a simple question.......
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:02 pm

Well, if the delays continuous, it may happen.
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:51 pm

Facts:

- AA management has stated they like the simplest fleet possible and do not want small batches of airplanes.
- AA flies few very long haul routes
- The order currently stands and no one that knows the details of if it will stay or not has said anything

With that, the only answers are purely guesses by the posters here.

I have a question though. Assume that Airbus does not allow the order to be swapped to another airframe or further delayed or canceled without massive penalties. Is there any chance that AA is able to sell / lease these aircraft to another airline upon delivery? ie: They get built according to the order but never end up flying in AA colors.

Other than that, AA most has a need to replace 767-300s and A330-300s. A350 seems like way too much airplane to do that with. I like the idea of the A330neo. Or even cheap new build A330ceos. I also like the idea of A321LRs and then a 787 top-up order for the widebody replacements. Or A321LRs and some 767-300ER new builds. But who knows...

I think it all comes down to the airline not needing the aircraft's capabilities and not wanting the expense and complexity of a new fleet. But trying to determine if the cost of canceling the order exceed those and the frustration of taking the plane. And very few people right now know the details of that.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:00 pm

mikejepp wrote:
Facts:

- AA management has stated they like the simplest fleet possible and do not want small batches of airplanes.
- AA flies few very long haul routes
- The order currently stands and no one that knows the details of if it will stay or not has said anything

With that, the only answers are purely guesses by the posters here.

I have a question though. Assume that Airbus does not allow the order to be swapped to another airframe or further delayed or canceled without massive penalties. Is there any chance that AA is able to sell / lease these aircraft to another airline upon delivery? ie: They get built according to the order but never end up flying in AA colors.

Other than that, AA most has a need to replace 767-300s and A330-300s. A350 seems like way too much airplane to do that with. I like the idea of the A330neo. Or even cheap new build A330ceos. I also like the idea of A321LRs and then a 787 top-up order for the widebody replacements. Or A321LRs and some 767-300ER new builds. But who knows...

I think it all comes down to the airline not needing the aircraft's capabilities and not wanting the expense and complexity of a new fleet. But trying to determine if the cost of canceling the order exceed those and the frustration of taking the plane. And very few people right now know the details of that.


If they dont get the A350s, they will swap the order for more A321s or even A320s or pick up A330neos. Why bother with all the hassle of figuring out a way to pass on the planes to another operator without a financial penalty. Airbus will be happy to get earlier A350 slots for other airlines and a comparable in value A321/A330neo order is still money in the bank for A.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:38 pm

trex8 wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
Facts:

- AA management has stated they like the simplest fleet possible and do not want small batches of airplanes.
- AA flies few very long haul routes
- The order currently stands and no one that knows the details of if it will stay or not has said anything

With that, the only answers are purely guesses by the posters here.

I have a question though. Assume that Airbus does not allow the order to be swapped to another airframe or further delayed or canceled without massive penalties. Is there any chance that AA is able to sell / lease these aircraft to another airline upon delivery? ie: They get built according to the order but never end up flying in AA colors.

Other than that, AA most has a need to replace 767-300s and A330-300s. A350 seems like way too much airplane to do that with. I like the idea of the A330neo. Or even cheap new build A330ceos. I also like the idea of A321LRs and then a 787 top-up order for the widebody replacements. Or A321LRs and some 767-300ER new builds. But who knows...

I think it all comes down to the airline not needing the aircraft's capabilities and not wanting the expense and complexity of a new fleet. But trying to determine if the cost of canceling the order exceed those and the frustration of taking the plane. And very few people right now know the details of that.


If they dont get the A350s, they will swap the order for more A321s or even A320s or pick up A330neos. Why bother with all the hassle of figuring out a way to pass on the planes to another operator without a financial penalty. Airbus will be happy to get earlier A350 slots for other airlines and a comparable in value A321/A330neo order is still money in the bank for A.


There are rumors that Airbus has said they're not willing to negotiate this order anymore. No more delays, no swaps. Take the planes or pay the cancellation fee.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:51 pm

I think the order will either grow or get cancelled. The current order does not suit AAs needs. It was for a much smaller US Airways fleet that at the only had 20 widebodies compared to AAs gigantic fleet. AA has a large 787 fleet so i believe they will carefully compare 787s and A350s when deciding on 777 replacements.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:06 pm

mikejepp wrote:
There are rumors that Airbus has said they're not willing to negotiate this order anymore. No more delays, no swaps. Take the planes or pay the cancellation fee.

Yes, too many airlines are taking too many liberties! Airbus should probably tell AA that any order modification should be for their other widebody models - A330Neo, A350-1000 or A380. With the huge narrowbody backlog, Airbus does not really need more orders until they can increase output!
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:11 pm

flee wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
There are rumors that Airbus has said they're not willing to negotiate this order anymore. No more delays, no swaps. Take the planes or pay the cancellation fee.

Yes, too many airlines are taking too many liberties! Airbus should probably tell AA that any order modification should be for their other widebody models - A330Neo, A350-1000 or A380. With the huge narrowbody backlog, Airbus does not really need more orders until they can increase output!


The big question is, assuming it is true, AA only has 2 options...

1) Take the order
2) Cancel and pay the fines for doing so.

If they are forced to take the order, is there any possibility that they will place the airplanes elsewhere and never end up flying them?
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:26 pm

flee wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
There are rumors that Airbus has said they're not willing to negotiate this order anymore. No more delays, no swaps. Take the planes or pay the cancellation fee.

Yes, too many airlines are taking too many liberties! Airbus should probably tell AA that any order modification should be for their other widebody models - A330Neo, A350-1000 or A380. With the huge narrowbody backlog, Airbus does not really need more orders until they can increase output!


A330Neo or A350-1000 maybe, although the most likely choice would be the A330Neo. But A380 at AA...never. That we know for sure. Even Delta and United who are strong players in the Pacific Rim don't want the A380. I don't see American ordering A380s.

A330Neo: maybe. To replace the remaining 763s by the mid 2020s.
Additional A332ceo: maybe. Also to replace the remaining 763s by the mid 2020s. If Airbus is willing to make a good deal, American probably won't say no.
A350-1000: chances slim to none.
A380: no.
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:47 pm

mikejepp wrote:
flee wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
There are rumors that Airbus has said they're not willing to negotiate this order anymore. No more delays, no swaps. Take the planes or pay the cancellation fee.

Yes, too many airlines are taking too many liberties! Airbus should probably tell AA that any order modification should be for their other widebody models - A330Neo, A350-1000 or A380. With the huge narrowbody backlog, Airbus does not really need more orders until they can increase output!


The big question is, assuming it is true, AA only has 2 options...

1) Take the order
2) Cancel and pay the fines for doing so.

If they are forced to take the order, is there any possibility that they will place the airplanes elsewhere and never end up flying them?

The days of no cost deferrals and model hopping are over. By now, even for American.

Every time a customer defers, and/or model hops, and/or accepts compensation, contract T&C's tighten. These are prescribed, depending on in Boeing's case your Tier ranking (Airbus use similar). Both require Board approval to waive.

One unusual deciding factor could be who has the lowest cost escape clauses. If it's Boeing, and American really doesn't need the capacity, could be 787's that are cancelled, deferred or switched.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:34 pm

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The A350 order will be decided once American Airlines determines what it will want to replace the 47 777-200ER's in the fleet.


Yes, 787-10, 777-8 or A350-900. Now, what is the best aircraft for their Atlantic and Pacific flights?

The 777-8 I guess, because the 787-10 does not have the range to fly to Australia. It probably doesn't matter the 777-8 is heavy & expensive. It's a great alternative.

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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:12 pm

keesje wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
The A350 order will be decided once American Airlines determines what it will want to replace the 47 777-200ER's in the fleet.


Yes, 787-10, 777-8 or A350-900. Now, what is the best aircraft for their Atlantic and Pacific flights?

The 777-8 I guess, because the 787-10 does not have the range to fly to Australia. It probably doesn't matter the 777-8 is heavy & expensive. It's a great alternative.

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For fleet simplification, since management has said that is a primary concern of theirs, how many routes does AA fly that cannot be flown by the 787? And of those, which do not warrant a 77W?

AA seems to simply not need something like the 350 or 778. Their primary widebody routes are medium haul, medium-high traffic (Atlantic, South America) and long haul, low-medium traffic (Pacific).

In roughly 10 years, could AA have a widebody fleet that consists solely of 788, 789, 77W?

788 for thin routes
789 primary widebody
77W for heavy and heavy long haul routes (essentially what it is used on now... JFK-LHR, DFW-HKG, etc)

763s replaced by 788
330s replaced by 789
772s replaced by 789 and maybe a few additional 77W
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:16 pm

mikejepp wrote:
The big question is, assuming it is true, AA only has 2 options...

1) Take the order
2) Cancel and pay the fines for doing so.


There's a third option - "do a United" and order more! They would almost certainly get better terms and be able to reschedule the deliveries to replace 77Es. :scratchchin:
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Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:19 pm

I can see them having both 787 and A350, but then they need to expand their commitment.
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Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:20 pm

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If it's Boeing, and American really doesn't need the capacity, could be 787's that are cancelled, deferred or switched.


People have been burned at the stake for such heresy! :wink2:
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Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:33 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Dont the 350s go back to Airbus helping US out of BK many moons ago?


Sure did:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/600 ... erger.html

"US Airways, America West could land $250 million Airbus loan as part of jet deal in merger

As they discuss a possible merger, US Airways and America West are near a deal for a $250 million loan from Airbus as part of a 20-jet order for the aircraft maker's new A350 model, according to a newspaper report."


This was for the original A350, and when Airbus switched to the XWB, so did US Airways.

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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:42 pm

I think right now, AA is in a different situation than UA, who needs to start replacing their 777 fleet starting very soon (since UA has some of the oldest operational 777's in the world). I wouldn't be surprised that AA won't replace their 772ER's until after 2020 with the A350XWB-900, the time that many airlines will be retiring their 777-200/200ER fleets anyway.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:48 pm

I doubt they will have to pay anything to cancel they got a great deal on 321/319 so much so if someone buys them cheaper they get money back. My feeling is that they will stick with the 787/777 for long haul they want to keep it simply
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:24 pm

The key word is “cancel”, which I think is the wrong word.

Covert is better.

At this point, the A350 order will likely get swapped for something else. The 77Es can be replaced by additional 787s or the 777X.

What’s a pressing matter is the 757/767.

The order can be swapped for the A321LR to replace that bracket on the low end, or the A330neo on the high end.

But AA doesn’t need the A350. A330/787/777 for now.

Sorry if you Airbus fans don’t like that, but honestly, not every big airline needs the A350.

scbriml wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
The big question is, assuming it is true, AA only has 2 options...

1) Take the order
2) Cancel and pay the fines for doing so.


There's a third option - "do a United" and order more!


But why?

They have plenty of 787 options.

Current:

763
A332
A333
788
789
77E
77W

Future:

A332
A330neo (?) Replaces 767-300
788
789 (Options exercised, replaces A330-300, 777-200ER
777

Simple, versatile, efficient.

Not counting the 787-10 or 777X, which are also possible for AA :D

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Planesmart wrote:
If it's Boeing, and American really doesn't need the capacity, could be 787's that are cancelled, deferred or switched.


People have been burned at the stake for such heresy! :wink2:


Suggesting that an airline stick with Boeing over Airbus on this site apparently results in a similar sentence, after a public scourging.
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:45 pm

Boeing778X wrote:
The key word is “cancel”, which I think is the wrong word.

Covert is better.

At this point, the A350 order will likely get swapped for something else. The 77Es can be replaced by additional 787s or the 777X.

What’s a pressing matter is the 757/767.

The order can be swapped for the A321LR to replace that bracket on the low end, or the A330neo on the high end.

But AA doesn’t need the A350. A330/787/777 for now.

Sorry if you Airbus fans don’t like that, but honestly, not every big airline needs the A350.

scbriml wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
The big question is, assuming it is true, AA only has 2 options...

1) Take the order
2) Cancel and pay the fines for doing so.


There's a third option - "do a United" and order more!


But why?

They have plenty of 787 options.

Current:

763
A332
A333
788
789
77E
77W

Future:

A332
A330neo (?) Replaces 767-300
788
789 (Options exercised, replaces A330-300, 777-200ER
777

Simple, versatile, efficient.


An airline with the 787 doesn't need the A330NEO. American have both 787-8 & -9 and I see them having the -10. And if American needs the A321LR, they are going to buy it anyway. So why would Airbus be OK with American swapping a firm order like that?
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:45 pm

keesje wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
The A350 order will be decided once American Airlines determines what it will want to replace the 47 777-200ER's in the fleet.


Yes, 787-10, 777-8 or A350-900. Now, what is the best aircraft for their Atlantic and Pacific flights?

The 777-8 I guess, because the 787-10 does not have the range to fly to Australia. It probably doesn't matter the 777-8 is heavy & expensive. It's a great alternative.

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The 787-9 can replace 777-200ERs. United has a 15 seat difference (6% capacity) between the two planes. Thai Airways has more seats on its 789 than 772 for comparison. The 777-8 and 787-10 would be capacity increases. All three could fit in AAs network if they choose not to buy A350s.
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Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:54 pm

scbriml wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
The big question is, assuming it is true, AA only has 2 options...

1) Take the order
2) Cancel and pay the fines for doing so.


There's a third option - "do a United" and order more! They would almost certainly get better terms and be able to reschedule the deliveries to replace 77Es. :scratchchin:


No A350s are on United's property. Many people missed the fact that United's management stated they pushed it off to give more time to see what Boeing could offer in return. That was drowned out unfortunately.
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:01 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
It was for a much smaller US Airways fleet that at the only had 20 widebodies compared to AAs gigantic fleet.


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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:19 pm

Wacker1000 wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
It was for a much smaller US Airways fleet that at the only had 20 widebodies compared to AAs gigantic fleet.


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When the A350 was ordered in 2007, US airways had 9 A333s and 10 767s.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:41 pm

Since there likely won't be a PHL-NRT or PHL-any point in the Orient anytime soon, the A350 makes no sense. It would make more sense to order the A330-900neo or the Boeing 787-10 as a Boeing 767 and Boeing 777-200ER replacement. Routes from DFW and LAX that need the B777-200ER range can be switched to a Boeing 787-9.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:05 pm

Boeing778X wrote:
The key word is “cancel”, which I think is the wrong word.

Covert is better.


A covert order, is that like a fake order . . . ? :-)
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:19 pm

CX747 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
The big question is, assuming it is true, AA only has 2 options...

1) Take the order
2) Cancel and pay the fines for doing so.


There's a third option - "do a United" and order more! They would almost certainly get better terms and be able to reschedule the deliveries to replace 77Es. :scratchchin:


No A350s are on United's property. Many people missed the fact that United's management stated they pushed it off to give more time to see what Boeing could offer in return. That was drowned out unfortunately.


What? Are you saying United increased its order of 35 A350s to 45 A350s because they wanted to see what Boeing would offer in return? Very uncanny.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:50 pm

CX747 wrote:
No A350s are on United's property. Many people missed the fact that United's management stated they pushed it off to give more time to see what Boeing could offer in return. That was drowned out unfortunately.

Drowned out or ignored because it’s a made up excuse that makes no sense at for that to be the case. :banghead:
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:57 pm

Eyad89 wrote:
CX747 wrote:
scbriml wrote:

There's a third option - "do a United" and order more! They would almost certainly get better terms and be able to reschedule the deliveries to replace 77Es. :scratchchin:


No A350s are on United's property. Many people missed the fact that United's management stated they pushed it off to give more time to see what Boeing could offer in return. That was drowned out unfortunately.


What? Are you saying United increased its order of 35 A350s to 45 A350s because they wanted to see what Boeing would offer in return? Very uncanny.


Yes, they went from 25 to 35 then to 45. They’re clearly “not sure” about the A350. :rotfl:
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:01 pm

.why don´t they swap the A350 orer for A330-200 or 800 to replace yje jurassic 763, inclusing the terrible ones that fly to my city (CNF). Those polanes a re terriblle
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:07 pm

330 will go as well when the time is up and the 787 will replace them....I don't see a A330NEO I just see 787/777 for long haul very simple very flexible
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:13 pm

ripcordd wrote:
330 will go as well when the time is up and the 787 will replace them....I don't see a A330NEO I just see 787/777 for long haul very simple very flexible

You have stated this at least twice. Please don't just repost the same thing - it adds no value.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:00 am

Planesmart wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
flee wrote:
Yes, too many airlines are taking too many liberties! Airbus should probably tell AA that any order modification should be for their other widebody models - A330Neo, A350-1000 or A380. With the huge narrowbody backlog, Airbus does not really need more orders until they can increase output!


The big question is, assuming it is true, AA only has 2 options...

1) Take the order
2) Cancel and pay the fines for doing so.

If they are forced to take the order, is there any possibility that they will place the airplanes elsewhere and never end up flying them?

The days of no cost deferrals and model hopping are over. By now, even for American.

Every time a customer defers, and/or model hops, and/or accepts compensation, contract T&C's tighten. These are prescribed, depending on in Boeing's case your Tier ranking (Airbus use similar). Both require Board approval to waive.

One unusual deciding factor could be who has the lowest cost escape clauses. If it's Boeing, and American really doesn't need the capacity, could be 787's that are cancelled, deferred or switched.


AA only has 6 more 787-9's on firm order, they are not going to be canceled. They do have 58 787 options open with Boeing.
 
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Re: Is AA going to cancel their A350 order?

Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:19 am

OA940 wrote:
The whole story about American planes is a pile of you-know-what. End of argument. Whether an airline chooses one plane or another doesn't depend on the country of origin, but on if they can use it profitably, or if they can get more out of it than the competition. Hence the DL A321neo order, the UA A350 order, and AA going to Airbus for the A320 instead of more 737's.


You do understand that AA just started taking delivery of the 737MAX and that the order is 100 firm and 100 options. They have also not even completed the last deliveries of the 737NG yet. They have plenty more 737's coming just like they have plenty more A321's coming.

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