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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:27 pm

jetblueguy22 wrote:
I don't think people understand the massive amount of generators that would be needed to keep the airport running... We're talking about the largest airport in the world by passengers, to keep operations normal using generators would take an insane amount of backups, that just aren't needed 99.9% of the time..


No, but the city should have an alternate feed as well, at least one would think. Hope the guy who cut the live electrical line is alright.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:28 pm

This would seem to me to be a massive hole in any Airports security if the entire electrical service can be disconnected at a single point. If it is a construction crew that cut a cable that would make it a larger hazard for security. No critical infrastructure should have a point where a single action can cripple it. There should be several power feeds from different sources that would limit one failure to only a section of that infrastructure. I hope they get it back up soon as I have a relative coming ATL PHX. I have not heard from the person so I wonder whats up. As of 4:24 ATL time I still see no activity on Flightradar24.
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:31 pm

At the risk of igniting a DL vs AA flame war, which I don't want to do:

I think events like this drive home how important it is that DL and AA should have a full interline agreement. If this agreement were in place, then someone booked, say, RIC-ATL-PHX could be re routed on AA RIC-CLT-PHX, if AA had empty seats.

Yes, I don't need to be reminded that DL is a more reliable airline than AA. However, when something does go wrong at DL, or at an airport they serve, having an interline agreement with AA would give DL more options for getting their passengers to their destination efficiently.
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:31 pm

good opportunity for Elon Musk and Tesla to pitch their scaled up Grids
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:32 pm

klm617 wrote:
One has to ask themselves at the world's busiest airport why there is no back up this is not the first time this has happened


Does DTW have a backup system that would keep the airport at full ops?
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:34 pm

Hope the sewage systems are still functioning , and the beer taps also !
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:36 pm

Looks like some flights are slowly making their way to gates. Either some functionality is being restored or the limited use of air stairs.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:39 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
Looks like some flights are slowly making their way to gates. Either some functionality is being restored or the limited use of air stairs.


Read an article from the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Looks like they're using a few airstairs to at least get people off of some planes. It was a southwest flight in the article being unloaded via airstairs.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:40 pm

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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:43 pm

WA707atMSP wrote:
At the risk of igniting a DL vs AA flame war, which I don't want to do:

I think events like this drive home how important it is that DL and AA should have a full interline agreement. If this agreement were in place, then someone booked, say, RIC-ATL-PHX could be re routed on AA RIC-CLT-PHX, if AA had empty seats.

Yes, I don't need to be reminded that DL is a more reliable airline than AA. However, when something does go wrong at DL, or at an airport they serve, having an interline agreement with AA would give DL more options for getting their passengers to their destination efficiently.
The only reason I don't choose DL , not very many options if something like this happens .
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:45 pm

With all the Mad dogs Delta has, I’m surprised they don’t just drop the rear air stairs and unload the passengers that way. Though once in the terminal, there would be nothing to do. Either way, it will take a while to clean up this mess.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:45 pm

I was talking to a friend who received a text from DL that his 6:30p was going to be rescheduled.
We had to check the news to see what was up.
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So about two hours after they lost power at Atlanta airport DL finally figures out that they are in the dark? :lol:

Sorry, could not resist, DL obviously had no clue exactly how long the airport would be without power.

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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:46 pm

Another week, another event like an IT meltdown, a snowflake, or a power outage that causes DL to shut down their entire global operation. It sucks for people trying to use DL to get somewhere but it's a non-event for the rest of us. In other news, congrats to DL, the cancel-free "streak" should be at 60 days by now.
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:48 pm

WN has cancelled all flights to and from ATL for the rest of the day: https://twitter.com/SouthwestAir/status ... 2623409152
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:49 pm

mikelive wrote:
It's gonna be a long night @ the call center for this WN agent...


Yes, hard for folks to believe, but other airlines use Atlanta. Good luck mikelive. Mostly a DL problem for sure but any airline using ATL will have problems. Out of the 4 B6 BOS-ATL flights, one is significantly delayed and the other two are cancelled.

Whats troubling is that no announcement yet as to when power will be restored. That tells me its a really, really big problem for Atlanta power to fix.
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:50 pm

WA707atMSP wrote:
I think events like this drive home how important it is that DL and AA should have a full interline agreement. If this agreement were in place, then someone booked, say, RIC-ATL-PHX could be re routed on AA RIC-CLT-PHX, if AA had empty seats.


They could be re-routed RIC-DTW-PHX or RIC-MSP-PHX on DL if DL would balance flights across all their hubs as klm has pointed out, instead of forcing as many people as possible to connect in ATL.

As far as interline agreements, DL has reaped what they have sowed. Hopefully when stranded pax ask DL CSR's about booking them on other airlines they are told the truth about why that doesn't happen instead of just being told that other airlines won't accept them.
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:52 pm

IPFreely wrote:
Another week, another event like an IT meltdown, a snowflake, or a power outage that causes DL to shut down their entire global operation.
Did I miss something? I didn't read about anything that suggested DL has to shut down its entire global operation. This is a power outage in ATL, not an IT problem on Delta's side. And I don't think a power outage in ATL has any effect on their operations in places such as LAX, SEA or DTW.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:55 pm

Wow... Just look at FlightAware, less than 30 flights to/from ATL in the air, pretty crazy: https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KATL
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:55 pm

LTU932 wrote:
IPFreely wrote:
Another week, another event like an IT meltdown, a snowflake, or a power outage that causes DL to shut down their entire global operation.
Did I miss something? I didn't read about anything that suggested DL has to shut down its entire global operation. This is a power outage in ATL, not an IT problem on Delta's side. And I don't think a power outage in ATL has any effect on their operations in places such as LAX, SEA or DTW.


It's the domino effect. Delta routes a hugely disproportionate amount of their flights through ATL compared to their other hubs. This will affect all of Delta's hubs.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:56 pm

frontierflyer wrote:
WA707atMSP wrote:
At the risk of igniting a DL vs AA flame war, which I don't want to do:

I think events like this drive home how important it is that DL and AA should have a full interline agreement. If this agreement were in place, then someone booked, say, RIC-ATL-PHX could be re routed on AA RIC-CLT-PHX, if AA had empty seats.

Yes, I don't need to be reminded that DL is a more reliable airline than AA. However, when something does go wrong at DL, or at an airport they serve, having an interline agreement with AA would give DL more options for getting their passengers to their destination efficiently.
The only reason I don't choose DL , not very many options if something like this happens .


This is a rarity. It could happen at any airline hub. Seems a lame excuse to me.
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:56 pm

I feel for those stuck. Can't imagine how bad it is there now.

KBUF wrote:
WN has cancelled all flights to and from ATL for the rest of the day: https://twitter.com/SouthwestAir/status ... 2623409152


Seems like the wise move.
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:56 pm

Southwest Airlines has cancelled everything for the rest of the day.
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:57 pm

ual763 wrote:
LTU932 wrote:
IPFreely wrote:
Another week, another event like an IT meltdown, a snowflake, or a power outage that causes DL to shut down their entire global operation.
Did I miss something? I didn't read about anything that suggested DL has to shut down its entire global operation. This is a power outage in ATL, not an IT problem on Delta's side. And I don't think a power outage in ATL has any effect on their operations in places such as LAX, SEA or DTW.


It's the domino effect. Delta routes a hugely disproportionate amount of their flights through ATL compared to their other hubs. This will affect all of Delta's hubs.
Point taken. I hope for everyone that this ordeal ends quickly
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:57 pm

Southwest Airlines has cancelled everything for the rest of the day.
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:57 pm

My guess is that the powers to be at all the major hub airports (DFW, ORD, SFO and others) will be very interested in what caused this. They could all be susceptible to the same failure. :shock:

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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:58 pm

ual763 wrote:
And now, the ground stop is extended until 5pm Eastern.

5pm Monday. According to the FAA website

https://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/AirportL ... q=Atl&go=1
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:58 pm

jumbojet wrote:
mikelive wrote:
It's gonna be a long night @ the call center for this WN agent...


Whats troubling is that no announcement yet as to when power will be restored. That tells me its a really, really big problem for Atlanta power to fix.


Yeah definitely. If the sole power supply to the airport has been cut, it could take a long time to replace it. You cannot simply mend a power cord - it needs to be replaced.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:59 pm

Woodreau wrote:
ual763 wrote:
And now, the ground stop is extended until 5pm Eastern.

5pm Monday. According to the FAA website


Dang, now that's bad
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:01 pm

mikelive wrote:
It's gonna be a long night @ the call center for this WN agent...

Good luck, keep smiling, that comes down the phone. ;)
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:01 pm

Some of the comments on this thread are quite ridiculous:

1. This is not "karma" for Delta. Apart from the fact that there isn't any such thing, a 60-day cancellation-free streak is a good thing - not something worthy of punishment.

2. Detroit would not be immune from such an event. What a ridiculous suggestion. Delta operates more flights out of Atlanta because it is better-positioned strategically. Unless Detroit has some magic cables which cannot be cut by accident, then you're just talking out of your rear end.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:02 pm

KLDC10 wrote:

1. This is not "karma" for Delta. Apart from the fact that there isn't any such thing, a 60-day cancellation-free streak is a good thing - not something worthy of punishment.


With all due respect, and without trying to make this a DL vs. everyone else thread, I don't think you get that it was a joke. Delta did not have a 60-day cancellation-free streak. It's been a running joke on here since they claimed earlier this month they were on a 30 some day streak, which was proven to be false, but rather a PR spin on the truth.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:02 pm

LTU932 wrote:
IPFreely wrote:
Another week, another event like an IT meltdown, a snowflake, or a power outage that causes DL to shut down their entire global operation.
Did I miss something? I didn't read about anything that suggested DL has to shut down its entire global operation. This is a power outage in ATL, not an IT problem on Delta's side. And I don't think a power outage in ATL has any effect on their operations in places such as LAX, SEA or DTW.



No but since Delta runs their planes for the most part though ATL it effects every hub in the network its a cascading effect. So hence if more of the east west traffic was moved over DTW and MSP there would be less of an interruption to flight ops same would hold true if there was an event in MSP or DTW 1/5 of your ops being effected is better than half with everything over booked this time of year.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:04 pm

ual763 wrote:
jumbojet wrote:
mikelive wrote:
It's gonna be a long night @ the call center for this WN agent...


Whats troubling is that no announcement yet as to when power will be restored. That tells me its a really, really big problem for Atlanta power to fix.


Yeah definitely. If the sole power supply to the airport has been cut, it could take a long time to replace it. You cannot simply mend a power cord - it needs to be replaced.


Having worked IT for a major electric power company, it is often difficult to know when the problem will be fixed. This sounds quite massive, so they likely aren't saying anything until they have a better feel for what's happening. I recall one occasion a subsidiary of my company took 48 hours to find the cause of an outage, then they had to repair it.
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:04 pm

JetBuddy wrote:
From the article:

"A Delta Air Lines pilot told passengers a construction crew cut a power line, causing the outage, but an airport spokesman, Andy Gobeil, said officials still weren’t sure."

That's one expensive mistake for sure. If it's a power line supplying power to large parts of the airport, it's probably not a small fix either.


The airport tweeted 20 minutes ago that this has not been confirmed. Not a denial per se, but I’d say it’s still a rumor until confirmed.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:04 pm

Delta has issued a travel waiver: https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US ... utage.html for today - and tomorrow.

I am seeing many rest of day flights canceled. This is really a tough operation to manage and recover from.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:04 pm

ual763 wrote:
jumbojet wrote:
mikelive wrote:
It's gonna be a long night @ the call center for this WN agent...


Whats troubling is that no announcement yet as to when power will be restored. That tells me its a really, really big problem for Atlanta power to fix.


Yeah definitely. If the sole power supply to the airport has been cut, it could take a long time to replace it. You cannot simply mend a power cord - it needs to be replaced.

More like an umbilical cord has been cut.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:05 pm

Woodreau wrote:
ual763 wrote:
And now, the ground stop is extended until 5pm Eastern.

5pm Monday. According to the FAA website

https://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/AirportL ... q=Atl&go=1


I see today at 5:30 local
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:06 pm

LTU932 wrote:
One question: In the event of a complete power outage, how does the FIS handle passengers in that case? I know for inbound international flights, they can divert to another airport that has CBP, but what if that international flight (if it doesn't have pre-clearance) has already landed the moment the outage occurs? What's the contingency plan?


Passengers are usually kept on board the airplane until CBP shows up. In case of emergency pax are offloaded and then corralled into holding pens under local LE guard. No one leaves..
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:07 pm

Woodreau wrote:
ual763 wrote:
And now, the ground stop is extended until 5pm Eastern.

5pm Monday. According to the FAA website

https://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/AirportL ... q=Atl&go=1


That’s fake news. It’s 1730L today.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:08 pm

ual763 wrote:
KLDC10 wrote:

1. This is not "karma" for Delta. Apart from the fact that there isn't any such thing, a 60-day cancellation-free streak is a good thing - not something worthy of punishment.


With all due respect, and without trying to make this a DL vs. everyone else thread, I don't think you get that it was a joke. Delta did not have a 60-day cancellation-free streak. It's been a running joke on here since they claimed earlier this month they were on a 30 some day streak, which was proven to be false, but rather a PR spin on the truth.


Well, fair enough I suppose - must have missed that. It seemed to me like the thread was devolving into a typical "Delta vs. Everyone else" and "Detroit vs. Atlanta" horror show. It always does - the quality of A.Net discussions has really deteriorated lately.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:09 pm

I bet Delta really wishes they still had that interline agreement with AA right now - best of luck to everyone stranded right now...
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:09 pm

AAvgeek744 wrote:
frontierflyer wrote:
WA707atMSP wrote:
At the risk of igniting a DL vs AA flame war, which I don't want to do:

I think events like this drive home how important it is that DL and AA should have a full interline agreement. If this agreement were in place, then someone booked, say, RIC-ATL-PHX could be re routed on AA RIC-CLT-PHX, if AA had empty seats.

Yes, I don't need to be reminded that DL is a more reliable airline than AA. However, when something does go wrong at DL, or at an airport they serve, having an interline agreement with AA would give DL more options for getting their passengers to their destination efficiently.
The only reason I don't choose DL , not very many options if something like this happens .


This is a rarity. It could happen at any airline hub. Seems a lame excuse to me.



It's not a rarity for Atlanta this is the 4th time it has happened in the recent past. Tell me in the last 5 years what other hub this has happened to.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:13 pm

klm617 wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:
frontierflyer wrote:
The only reason I don't choose DL , not very many options if something like this happens .


This is a rarity. It could happen at any airline hub. Seems a lame excuse to me.



It's not a rarity for Atlanta this is the 4th time it has happened in the recent past. Tell me in the last 5 years what other hub this has happened to.


Links? Or just hatin?
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:14 pm

klm617 wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:
frontierflyer wrote:
The only reason I don't choose DL , not very many options if something like this happens .


This is a rarity. It could happen at any airline hub. Seems a lame excuse to me.



It's not a rarity for Atlanta this is the 4th time it has happened in the recent past. Tell me in the last 5 years what other hub this has happened to.


The fourth total power outage in the recent past? News to me.
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:14 pm

This is why they should still have a backup plan to duplicate some of the ATL operation in CVG and MEM.
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:15 pm

RDUDDJI wrote:
klm617 wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:

This is a rarity. It could happen at any airline hub. Seems a lame excuse to me.



It's not a rarity for Atlanta this is the 4th time it has happened in the recent past. Tell me in the last 5 years what other hub this has happened to.


Links? Or just hatin?


Hating. He's received the last reply from me. He doesn't even try to hide his contempt for DL and ATL.
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:16 pm

Groundstop extended until 1800 local.
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:17 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
mikelive wrote:
It's gonna be a long night @ the call center for this WN agent...

Good luck, keep smiling, that comes down the phone. ;)


I always do. ;)
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:18 pm

Since the occasional plane is actually landing in the mist, is the terminal complex out and the runway/ils on backup.
 
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Re: Power outage in ATL

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:18 pm

Where is Joe Patroni when you need him? :wave:
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