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Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:16 am

Currently the only source is from a twitter post. Moderators please change title if necessary.

An Emirates flight EK261 suffered an engine loss on departure from Dubai Saturday. Situation perfectly handled and the aircraft returned to Dubai.

The aircraft involved was Airbus A380 - MSN 222 - A6-EUJ .
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:30 am

This is going to sound incredibly stupid, but does a bang necessarily indicate an engine failure?
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:08 am

It's Dubai... They have a history of hiding aircraft problems. EK 521 an incident...Short memories here.
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:27 am

Ugly51 wrote:
It's Dubai... They have a history of hiding aircraft problems. EK 521 an incident...Short memories here.


How was that a hidden incident? It was on the TV round the world.
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:33 am

Ugly51 wrote:
It's Dubai... They have a history of hiding aircraft problems. EK 521 an incident...Short memories here.


The official final report has not yet been released and lies within the acceptable 24-36 month range for a final report.

The initial report was published on the GCAA’s website and is widely available.

That initial report had a lot of detail and when you read perhaps come back and comment on what you felt was hidden.
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:46 pm

Cant wait until they switch to all RR engines.
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:22 pm

downdata wrote:
Cant wait until they switch to all RR engines.

If you're implying that EA engines are bad then you should think again. Trent 900s have already had a few issues. As for RR, do we know if the recent EK Dream)liner order will be operated with GE or RR TTEN engines?
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:26 pm

LoganTheBogan wrote:
downdata wrote:
Cant wait until they switch to all RR engines.

If you're implying that EA engines are bad then you should think again. Trent 900s have already had a few issues. As for RR, do we know if the recent EK Dream)liner order will be operated with GE or RR TTEN engines?


Not yet, the 787 order has not been firmed yet so I guess we will just have to wait and see
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:48 pm

downdata wrote:
Cant wait until they switch to all RR engines.


Why? Are you looking forward to more off-wing mx? They already have a few.
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:18 pm

Ugly51 wrote:
It's Dubai... They have a history of hiding aircraft problems. EK 521 an incident...Short memories here.


That must make A.net a forum of super-sleuths, then, since we manage to uncover hidden Emirates incidents on a weekly basis here!
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:37 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
downdata wrote:
Cant wait until they switch to all RR engines.


Why? Are you looking forward to more off-wing mx? They already have a few.


Not heard of any off wing work on Emirates A380`s for their Trent 900`s......pray tell!
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:56 pm

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Situation perfectly handled and the aircraft returned to Dubai.


The dreaded 3 engine approach and landing with the autopilot on, how did they manage such a safe uneventful outcome ?
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:44 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
downdata wrote:
Cant wait until they switch to all RR engines.


Why? Are you looking forward to more off-wing mx? They already have a few.


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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:58 pm

The dreaded 3 engine takeoff.
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:34 pm

Tedd wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
downdata wrote:
Cant wait until they switch to all RR engines.


Why? Are you looking forward to more off-wing mx? They already have a few.


Not heard of any off wing work on Emirates A380`s for their Trent 900`s......pray tell!


Trent 972B-84 needs a shop visit every 800 cycles, whereas a GP7200 every 3500 cycles
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:57 pm

A380 on AF, BA, QF, and EK all seem to have/had engine issues, what a great start for Airbus to push for A380plus!
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:16 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Tedd wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:

Why? Are you looking forward to more off-wing mx? They already have a few.


Not heard of any off wing work on Emirates A380`s for their Trent 900`s......pray tell!


Trent 972B-84 needs a shop visit every 800 cycles, whereas a GP7200 every 3500 cycles

Every 800 cycles! What! That’s insane if true.
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:36 pm

32andBelow wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Tedd wrote:

Not heard of any off wing work on Emirates A380`s for their Trent 900`s......pray tell!


Trent 972B-84 needs a shop visit every 800 cycles, whereas a GP7200 every 3500 cycles

Every 800 cycles! What! That’s insane if true.

Where is this information from? 3500 cycles is 25,000 to 40,000 hours or so, a normal widebody cycle. 800 hours.. What?!? If true...

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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:46 pm

32andBelow wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Tedd wrote:

Not heard of any off wing work on Emirates A380`s for their Trent 900`s......pray tell!


Trent 972B-84 needs a shop visit every 800 cycles, whereas a GP7200 every 3500 cycles

Every 800 cycles! What! That’s insane if true.


It's not for all Trent 900s. 972B-84 is a higher thrust version. Initially, EK planned to delay RR A380 deliveries but a "resolution" was reached between EK and RR.

https://www.airinsight.com/emirates-a380-rolls-royce/
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:16 pm

pasu129 wrote:
A380 on AF, BA, QF, and EK all seem to have/had engine issues, what a great start for Airbus to push for A380plus!


Sorry but what is your point behind this comment?
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:19 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:

Trent 972B-84 needs a shop visit every 800 cycles, whereas a GP7200 every 3500 cycles

Every 800 cycles! What! That’s insane if true.


It's not for all Trent 900s. 972B-84 is a higher thrust version. Initially, EK planned to delay RR A380 deliveries but a "resolution" was reached between EK and RR.

https://www.airinsight.com/emirates-a380-rolls-royce/

Nice link. So it is 3,500 cycles vs. 800 for the RR. But RR will fix the problem.

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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:33 am

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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:39 am

lightsaber wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Every 800 cycles! What! That’s insane if true.


It's not for all Trent 900s. 972B-84 is a higher thrust version. Initially, EK planned to delay RR A380 deliveries but a "resolution" was reached between EK and RR.

https://www.airinsight.com/emirates-a380-rolls-royce/

Nice link. So it is 3,500 cycles vs. 800 for the RR. But RR will fix the problem.

Lightsaber


Don`t believe a word of it. Posturing before taking delivery is more likely. Both these engines have had a few niggles over the
years, but both have proven their reliability over many millions of hours on A380. What engine on any plane hasn`t? In the round
air travel is still the safest form of travel, & this partly contributable to the fantastic engineering that goes into such engines.

Trent 900 will serve Emirates very well , just as the GP7200 has & will for sometime to come.
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:47 am

Anyone confirm the engine? I found a blog stating T900, but there advertising was ...a warning I had to buy a virus checker as my phone is slowing down and having short battery life (the new phone is exceeding expectations on speed and day+ battery life under 6+ hours of screen use). So perhaps I do not trust the source...

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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:48 am

That article is a year old, and Trent powered EK A380s fly over here every day.

It's also typical journalist nonsense. A shop visit is very different to a borescope inspection which gets done on the wing if mandated. RR and EK would not be tearing down an engine unnecessarily every 800 hours. Still, the idea of having to pull engines off the wing every few flights must have been a nice bit of journalistic padding.
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:50 am

lightsaber wrote:
Anyone confirm the engine? I found a blog stating T900, but there advertising was ...a warning I had to buy a virus checker as my phone is slowing down and having short battery life (the new phone is exceeding expectations on speed and day+ battery life under 6+ hours of screen use). So perhaps I do not trust the source...

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A6-EUJ was one of the last aircraft delivered with the GP7270

A6-EUM was the first RR engined aircraft.
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:51 am

Tedd wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:

It's not for all Trent 900s. 972B-84 is a higher thrust version. Initially, EK planned to delay RR A380 deliveries but a "resolution" was reached between EK and RR.

https://www.airinsight.com/emirates-a380-rolls-royce/

Nice link. So it is 3,500 cycles vs. 800 for the RR. But RR will fix the problem.

Lightsaber


Don`t believe a word of it. Posturing before taking delivery is more likely. Both these engines have had a few niggles over the
years, but both have proven their reliability over many millions of hours on A380. What engine on any plane hasn`t? In the round
air travel is still the safest form of travel, & this partly contributable to the fantastic engineering that goes into such engines.

Trent 900 will serve Emirates very well , just as the GP7200 has & will for sometime to come.

First the original word is "might", indicating they're also throwing out BS. Second if this is the case then there's no way QF could push their A380 fleet so hard. EK has more problems of getting the planes off the ground because of 1)lack of parking spot 2)lack of destinations they can serve and that's more likely why they're postponing A380 deliveries (along with newish 77W being put into storage).

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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:08 am

I’ve been told from a reliable source that the QF A380s require frequent engine changes because of sand in Dubai. They are not happy with the A380 or the Trent.
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:18 am

Odd then that Emirates and Etihad both operate Trent engined aircraft (QR does too). The Trent 500 is the base engine that the Trent 900 was developed from, and all three Gulf carriers operated aircraft with that engine.

EK are using the Trent 900 at higher thrust settings on their high density aircraft. Hardly what would be expected from a dud motor. Sounds more like a program to monitor and ensure performance that is being misrepresented.
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:05 am

RR= rotating rubbish. I’ve had several instances of degraded performance and return to stand events in the last 2 months on 2 class RR airframes. The latest was an engine idle issue that resulted in an aircraft change.
Not a Trent fanboy here, such a poor showing from RR after the stellar RB211, don’t get me started on the Trent 500.
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:25 am

If no parts were shedded and no disks or turbines went flying... a bit of a boring incident, if you ask me. Daily occurrence around the world. QF and even AF does better!
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:44 am

Higher trust settings on two class? Don't think so. RR came out of the box with max flex 75 . Most sectors are close to max flex on the two class.
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:52 am

redroo wrote:
I’ve been told from a reliable source that the QF A380s require frequent engine changes because of sand in Dubai. They are not happy with the A380 or the Trent.


fits in quite well what someone on avherald noted:
Fanman on AvHerald wrote:
Off-topic waffle
By Fanman on Tuesday, Dec 19th 2017 09:28Z

At the time of writing, there are 10 comments so far. None of which mention the GP7270 that went bang. Three even waffle on about Trent 900s. The gamesaver is a little debate about fuel dumping.
Let's keep it civil and on subject shall we.
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looks like the free floating GE astroturfers club on the rampage.
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:31 am

lightsaber wrote:
.... But RR will fix the problem.

Lightsaber


Look for clues on this thread. Hint, EK is not the first 972-84 operator. My guess, the plan is to operate at a lower rating as there are no missions require its full capability. Anyway, dry fruit pros discuss all sorts of theories behind this choice.

One post can throw entire thread off-topic, I think we should be talking about GP failure.
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:43 pm

lightsaber wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Every 800 cycles! What! That’s insane if true.


It's not for all Trent 900s. 972B-84 is a higher thrust version. Initially, EK planned to delay RR A380 deliveries but a "resolution" was reached between EK and RR.

https://www.airinsight.com/emirates-a380-rolls-royce/

Nice link. So it is 3,500 cycles vs. 800 for the RR. But RR will fix the problem.

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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:50 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Look for clues on this thread. Hint, EK is not the first 972-84 operator. My guess, the plan is to operate at a lower rating as there are no missions require its full capability.

RR is the first engine OEM to reward PBTH operators for lower average settings (all penalise for higher). May also explain unwillingness to operate three engine transit flights as discussed in other threads.
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:07 pm

AirlineCritic wrote:
If no parts were shedded and no disks or turbines went flying... a bit of a boring incident, if you ask me. Daily occurrence around the world. QF and even AF does better!


But, but ... but : Its an A380!!!!!! And we can empty a well filled chamber pot RR...
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:13 pm

pasu129 wrote:
A380 on AF, BA, QF, and EK all seem to have/had engine issues, what a great start for Airbus to push for A380plus!


Virtually every airline and every aircraft type has engine issues every day!......What are people on?
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:03 pm

Tedd wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:

It's not for all Trent 900s. 972B-84 is a higher thrust version. Initially, EK planned to delay RR A380 deliveries but a "resolution" was reached between EK and RR.

https://www.airinsight.com/emirates-a380-rolls-royce/

Nice link. So it is 3,500 cycles vs. 800 for the RR. But RR will fix the problem.

Lightsaber


Don`t believe a word of it. Posturing before taking delivery is more likely. Both these engines have had a few niggles over the
years, but both have proven their reliability over many millions of hours on A380. What engine on any plane hasn`t? In the round
air travel is still the safest form of travel, & this partly contributable to the fantastic engineering that goes into such engines.

Trent 900 will serve Emirates very well , just as the GP7200 has & will for sometime to come.


The article is 12 months old. EK did postpone its first RR A380 delivery from November to December 2016, after which EK and RR settled on maintenance. RR TotalCare is taking care of it.

Another part of the settlement was that RR would redesign some seals to improve engine reliability in DXB sand climate. I'm not sure about the current status of those seals.
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:44 pm

redroo wrote:
I’ve been told from a reliable source that the QF A380s require frequent engine changes because of sand in Dubai. They are not happy with the A380 or the Trent.


How is it the fault of the aircraft ? Find it amazing how people jump to slate certain aircraft.
 
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Re: Emirates A380 Engine Failure While Departing Dubai

Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:55 pm

Arion640 wrote:
redroo wrote:
I’ve been told from a reliable source that the QF A380s require frequent engine changes because of sand in Dubai. They are not happy with the A380 or the Trent.


How is it the fault of the aircraft ? Find it amazing how people jump to slate certain aircraft.


People do not realize that T900 was not designed for sand climate in the first place. Every operator ordering the T900 should know about that. So it's rather a missing feature instead of a design issue.

Also, EK and QF operate the higher thrust model. Thus they get wear and tear much quicker.

Thanks to the large EK order, RR will make some design changes to further improve operations in sand climate. Perhaps QF will be able to retrofit its A380 engines.
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