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LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:54 pm

South American group LATAM will start seasonal services between GRU and LAS in 2018. The flight will operate between June and August as follows:

EFF 21JUN18

JJ9460 - GRU 2355 0830+1 LAS - MoThSa - 763
JJ9461 - LAS 1305 0525+1 GRU - TuFrSu - 763

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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:01 pm

Wow, wasn't expecting that one! Is this the first ever nonstop link between LAS and South America?
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:05 pm

I think this will be the longest scheduled 763 flight - wiki lists the current champ as DL SEA-PVG, this is 349 miles longer according to gcmap.
 
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:07 pm

Cool add, I don't think LAS has ever had a scheduled n/s to South America before. I would have guessed they'd add LIM maybe, but GRU WOW!

A long 763 flight, but no oceanic headwinds to fight. Ground time of 4:35 in LAS, I'm sure this will do well for JJ, LAS is a huge draw.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:11 pm

Interesting idea, LATAM thinking out of the box. Also helps with keeping busy all those 767-300ER that LATAM Brasil has received from its sister Chilean airline.

Flight should do well with both Brazilian and to a lesser degree, Argentinian markets feeding it during the peak winter holidays travel season
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:18 pm

lowfareair wrote:
I think this will be the longest scheduled 763 flight - wiki lists the current champ as DL SEA-PVG, this is 349 miles longer according to gcmap.


LATAM also flies LIM-BCN nonstop with the 763ER, and that is around 200 miles longer than the GRU-LAS flight.

RWA380 wrote:
A long 763 flight, but no oceanic headwinds to fight.


Well, there is the jetstream to fight, though. It has to be pretty strong on the GRU-LAS sector. On a related note, CM westward PTY-SFO is not the airline's longest flight by distance but it is the longest by elapsed flight time due to the jetstream component.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:21 pm

This is nearly 5300 nmi. The advertised range of a B763 with winglets is 6310 nmi. Talk about optimal use to make it back to GRU for the morning bank of flights.
 
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:26 pm

awesome
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:32 pm

Well darn it, great add, fingers crossed it comes back in 2019.
 
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:32 pm

dcajet wrote:
lowfareair wrote:
I think this will be the longest scheduled 763 flight - wiki lists the current champ as DL SEA-PVG, this is 349 miles longer according to gcmap.


LATAM also flies LIM-BCN nonstop with the 763ER, and that is around 200 miles longer than the GRU-LAS flight.


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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:33 pm

dcajet wrote:
Interesting idea, LATAM thinking out of the box.


It's really not thinking out of the box when David Neeleman was discussing this a couple of years ago before the Brazilian economy went into a downturn.

Neeleman expects to add a fourth city in 2015, although he is coy on where this might be. “We are going to fly to any cities where Brazilians want to go… [Brazilians] like Las Vegas, the [US] West Coast, Europe. We will start with these three cities and then make that decision at a later day.”


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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:20 pm

dcajet wrote:
LATAM also flies LIM-BCN nonstop with the 763ER, and that is around 200 miles longer than the GRU-LAS flight.

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But both LIM and BCN are at near sea-level. LAS is at 2500 FT/ 762 M, hot and very dry. What sort of load would the afternoon departure be able to take in summer?

And is there much market for this route anyway?
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:27 pm

Wingtips56 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
LATAM also flies LIM-BCN nonstop with the 763ER, and that is around 200 miles longer than the GRU-LAS flight.

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But both LIM and BCN are at near sea-level. LAS is at 2500 FT/ 762 M, hot and very dry. What sort of load would the afternoon departure be able to take in summer?

And is there much market for this route anyway?


Brazilians are crazy about Vegas and Orlando.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:34 pm

Not a shock.
Vegas has been one of the largest US markets out of Brazil since pre recession days.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:52 pm

Never would've thought I was amongst that many Brazilians on holiday surround by all the Europeans the hundreds of times I've been there if that is the reason for the flight!
 
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:59 pm

LAS is hot and high, and with US summer seasonal I'm interested in what type of payload a B76E can lift in a Nevadan summer.
 
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:08 am

Looking forward to see how this route will works for LATAM BRASIL.... The success of the route might lead to a year round operation due to the high leisure potencial ....same as MCO !
 
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:13 am

Brazil - Vegas demand has been booming! Nice to see LATAM being the one to take a shot! Really nice ads for 2018 with BOS & LAS! Wonder if they'll go for SFO too.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:35 am

gatibosgru wrote:
Brazil - Vegas demand has been booming! Nice to see LATAM being the one to take a shot! Really nice ads for 2018 with BOS & LAS! Wonder if they'll go for SFO too.


I live in SF and earlier this year, when CM announced its third daily from PTY there were rumors swirling around regarding a return of LATAM to SFO. It was not specified if this would be from LIM, route they abandoned 4 years ago or, perhaps, GRU. It seems LIM would make more sense. The problem with SFO to Latin America is its low yielding nature. COPA has both its superb network and the right equipment and that seems to do the trick.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:00 am

I wonder which flight(s) will take the major hit in these two months of JJ operating the route. Probably AA's GRU-LAX and GRU-DFW?
 
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:04 am

geoshina wrote:
I wonder which flight(s) will take the major hit in these two months of JJ operating the route. Probably AA's GRU-LAX and GRU-DFW?


I feel like it's pretty spread-out through the network. It is, for now, only JUN-AUG anyhow.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:07 am

It's finally dawned on LATAM that if they don't do it, Azul and Avianca will do it for them. I think that leaves SFO as the largest Brazil-US market without a nonstop.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:42 am

incitatus wrote:
It's finally dawned on LATAM that if they don't do it, Azul and Avianca will do it for them. I think that leaves SFO as the largest Brazil-US market without a nonstop.


Maybe in a few years when the A350-1000 comes into the fleet. GRU-SFO is just beyond the reach of an B763 even with winglets (when accounting for a diversion airfield outside of the Bay Area). Such a route would require an A350-900, but given that those planes have 348 seats in LATAM's configuration (J30Y318), is that too much of a plane to fill, even at just a 268t MTOW? The B763s are only J30Y191---much easier to fill.

That said, what one COULD do is up-gauge one frequency GRU-LIM from an A320 to a B763 and run the route GRU-LIM-SFO on the same plane.
 
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:01 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
incitatus wrote:
It's finally dawned on LATAM that if they don't do it, Azul and Avianca will do it for them. I think that leaves SFO as the largest Brazil-US market without a nonstop.


Maybe in a few years when the A350-1000 comes into the fleet. GRU-SFO is just beyond the reach of an B763 even with winglets (when accounting for a diversion airfield outside of the Bay Area). Such a route would require an A350-900, but given that those planes have 348 seats in LATAM's configuration (J30Y318), is that too much of a plane to fill, even at just a 268t MTOW? The B763s are only J30Y191---much easier to fill.

That said, what one COULD do is up-gauge one frequency GRU-LIM from an A320 to a B763 and run the route GRU-LIM-SFO on the same plane.


GRU-MAD is now on a 789, so maybe there's a shot there for SFO.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:03 am

Well according to the plans for 2018, LATAM still has to announce the official schedules for Lisbon and Tel Aviv out of Sao Paulo. They also are planning new international flights out of Brasilia, their second most important hub in the country. I guess that wil be limited to MIA & MCO, which were previousvly served before.
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:12 am

dellatorre wrote:
Well according to the plans for 2018, LATAM still has to announce the official schedules for Lisbon and Tel Aviv out of Sao Paulo. They also are planning new international flights out of Brasilia, their second most important hub in the country. I guess that wil be limited to MIA & MCO, which were previousvly served before.



I don't expect more than MIA initially from BSB. Firgers crosses for CNF-MIA! :bouncy:
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:05 pm

Would be longest 763 ever, one day it is hope to be operated by the A350 XWB.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:30 pm

Well, did anyone check the prices??
Again, if travel agencies have priority and flying via LAX is cheaper and with plenty of connections or even a pleasant car trip is available, why even consider this flight?
As always LATAM makes noise but nothing avenges... why there was no announcement that LATAM's YYZ failed, for instance?
Good luck to those unfortunate who come to get stuck in the stone age 767 that LATAM operates with the level of service they offer with the prices they ask...
 
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:38 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Well, did anyone check the prices??
Again, if travel agencies have priority and flying via LAX is cheaper and with plenty of connections or even a pleasant car trip is available, why even consider this flight?
As always LATAM makes noise but nothing avenges... why there was no announcement that LATAM's YYZ failed, for instance?
Good luck to those unfortunate who come to get stuck in the stone age 767 that LATAM operates with the level of service they offer with the prices they ask...



Your post has an awful smell of personal agenda...dozens of times the airlines do test routes and after some time they keep it or not, part of the game for all the players and since the flying boats era.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:21 pm

SQ789 wrote:
Would be longest 763 ever, one day it is hope to be operated by the A350 XWB.


LIM-BCN, another LATAM route, is longer, and the current longest B763 route.
 
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:29 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Well, did anyone check the prices??
Again, if travel agencies have priority and flying via LAX is cheaper and with plenty of connections or even a pleasant car trip is available, why even consider this flight?
As always LATAM makes noise but nothing avenges... why there was no announcement that LATAM's YYZ failed, for instance?
Good luck to those unfortunate who come to get stuck in the stone age 767 that LATAM operates with the level of service they offer with the prices they ask...


Because it is convenient? A lot goes into selecting a specific flight. The 2+ hours saving could be enough to entice some.

And why would any airline announce a route failure? You cannot let your bias cloud your critical thinking.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:44 pm

The Brazilian economy must be improving then I guess if there's demand for a leisure flight?

Nice add, but the season seems strange. Don't Brazilians have more vacation time in Southern summer, plus the temperature in Las Vegas is more tolerable then no?
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:59 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Well, did anyone check the prices??
Again, if travel agencies have priority and flying via LAX is cheaper and with plenty of connections or even a pleasant car trip is available, why even consider this flight?
As always LATAM makes noise but nothing avenges... why there was no announcement that LATAM's YYZ failed, for instance?
Good luck to those unfortunate who come to get stuck in the stone age 767 that LATAM operates with the level of service they offer with the prices they ask...


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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:13 pm

Yet again, good luck then paying over USD 1k to fly the tuna can and Iberia style FA's.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:30 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Yet again, good luck then paying over USD 1k to fly the tuna can and Iberia style FA's.
Enjoy LV!


Yet again, don't like it, don't fly it? No one forces you to be in a "tuna can" (and talk about first world problems when flying nonstop on a 2x3x2 763 is flying a tun can).

You should really reconsider your narrative, your distaste for LATAM and their "old" 763s is pretty obvious so no need to always repeat yourself.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:58 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Yet again, good luck then paying over USD 1k to fly the tuna can and Iberia style FA's.
Enjoy LV!


Tuna can? You obviously have never been to JJ 767-300ER.
First, pitch and width are far larger than any other aircraft on JJ's fleet, and a bit more comfy than AA, DL and UA.
Second, JJ's 767 are not more than 5 years older, except for PT-MOG, that flies only to MIA and MCO.
Third, no one offers the service, and if you think its expensive, don't fly it, it allows more people to get there faster and safelly.
Fourth, there's no space for Varig in any market around the world.

You should try out new French Blue A350's, with 3x4x3 layout, 16.2 width AHAHAHA
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:58 pm

Having flown around 100k miles in JJs 767 the last few months, in both Y and J, I can confirm that the product is pretty nice. (again, not everyone agrees on everything). The Y seats have good pitch and cushion, and service is fine. Their J seat is good (it may have its flaws and not be the best one in the market), and it is far from being from the stone age.

PT-MOG has been floating around the system recently (I have flown it twice last week - BOG), and although it looks old and worn out, the J seat was comfortable.
 
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:51 pm

prchan wrote:
PT-MOG has been floating around the system recently (I have flown it twice last week - BOG), and although it looks old and worn out, the J seat was comfortable.


This is OT, but is LATAM going to retrofit the older 763s or are they headed for retirement?
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Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:17 am

gatibosgru wrote:
prchan wrote:
PT-MOG has been floating around the system recently (I have flown it twice last week - BOG), and although it looks old and worn out, the J seat was comfortable.


This is OT, but is LATAM going to retrofit the older 763s or are they headed for retirement?


PT-MOG is the only one 763 on LATAM Brasil fleet that is a bit long in the tooth (almost 20 years). The remaining 13 are some of the latest built 767s out there, dating from 2011-2013 and feature 777 style cabins and the latest LATAM 767 cabins, etc.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:26 am

gatibosgru wrote:
This is OT, but is LATAM going to retrofit the older 763s or are they headed for retirement?


Actually JJ's last announcements shows that the 767 flying from REC / SSA / FOR will have C18Y220 layout, it means some more aircraft is about to come soon.
Also, it's been discussed elsewhere that JJ will probably operate LA's fleet without changing their rego. Nothing has been confirmed yet and I did not get the idea as the Brazilian airlines must have Brazilian registrations under ANAC's law. However, who knows ....
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Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:34 am

thgsr08 wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
This is OT, but is LATAM going to retrofit the older 763s or are they headed for retirement?


Actually JJ's last announcements shows that the 767 flying from REC / SSA / FOR will have C18Y220 layout, it means some more aircraft is about to come soon.
Also, it's been discussed elsewhere that JJ will probably operate LA's fleet without changing their rego. Nothing has been confirmed yet and I did not get the idea as the Brazilian airlines must have Brazilian registrations under ANAC's law. However, who knows ....


So that probably means that a sub fleet with a different configuration will be introduced for these operations, as all of LATAM's 767s are configured C30/Y191, across all franchises.
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Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:01 am

dcajet wrote:
thgsr08 wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
This is OT, but is LATAM going to retrofit the older 763s or are they headed for retirement?


Actually JJ's last announcements shows that the 767 flying from REC / SSA / FOR will have C18Y220 layout, it means some more aircraft is about to come soon.
Also, it's been discussed elsewhere that JJ will probably operate LA's fleet without changing their rego. Nothing has been confirmed yet and I did not get the idea as the Brazilian airlines must have Brazilian registrations under ANAC's law. However, who knows ....


So that probably means that a sub fleet with a different configuration will be introduced for these operations, as all of LATAM's 767s are configured C30/Y191, across all franchises.


LA operates a few 767's C18Y220, I don't know which oh them, but I flew LA751 GRU-SCL in 2010 that had a smaller business class.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:55 am

gatibosgru wrote:
prchan wrote:
PT-MOG has been floating around the system recently (I have flown it twice last week - BOG), and although it looks old and worn out, the J seat was comfortable.


This is OT, but is LATAM going to retrofit the older 763s or are they headed for retirement?


Just a guess, but I would say retirement. It is the only oddball in the (JJ) fleet, config and age.
 
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:53 am

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I think this will be the longest scheduled 763 flight - wiki lists the current champ as DL SEA-PVG, this is 349 miles longer according to gcmap.



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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:28 pm

Many years ago, and I thought it was a dessert mirage, but I saw a VARIG 767 low on take off from LAS. Must have been 20 years ago.
I thought it was probably a charter.
Anyway, since then, I always thought LAS was a good destination for Brazilians: the adult Disney!
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:03 pm

VC10er wrote:
Many years ago, and I thought it was a dessert mirage, but I saw a VARIG 767 low on take off from LAS. Must have been 20 years ago.
I thought it was probably a charter.


Delivery flight maybe?
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Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:10 pm

Perhaps it was a delivery 737 (and perhaps I saw a 737 and not a 767, it was long ago!) but the aircraft was in the Landor livery- that I am certain of!
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:53 pm

thgsr08 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
thgsr08 wrote:

Actually JJ's last announcements shows that the 767 flying from REC / SSA / FOR will have C18Y220 layout, it means some more aircraft is about to come soon.
Also, it's been discussed elsewhere that JJ will probably operate LA's fleet without changing their rego. Nothing has been confirmed yet and I did not get the idea as the Brazilian airlines must have Brazilian registrations under ANAC's law. However, who knows ....


So that probably means that a sub fleet with a different configuration will be introduced for these operations, as all of LATAM's 767s are configured C30/Y191, across all franchises.


LA operates a few 767's C18Y220, I don't know which oh them, but I flew LA751 GRU-SCL in 2010 that had a smaller business class.


Are you positive? That is almost 8 years ago. AFAIK, LA & 4M 767ER are all outfitted with the 30/191 config since 2012 or so. JJ received all its current 767s from LA. The Peru, Colombia and Ecuador rotate the 767s and LA no longer uses them except for an occasional SCL-EZE-SCL rotation.
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:05 pm

This flight report from last month shows LP 763 configured with 18C 220Y.
http://voandoeavaliando.com.br/2017/11/ ... ru-limlax/

Will they be transfered to JJ and replaced by 788?
 
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Re: LATAM to begin seasonal service to LAS

Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:55 pm

I stand corrected then.

It appears these 18C 220Y are flying out of LIM to MIA, MEX and LAX mostly,
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Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos