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santi319
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:25 pm

airbazar wrote:
a350lover wrote:
dredgy wrote:

Still highly state-owned (~50%).


Thanks @dredgy
Is there any attempt by the state to sell all/part of it?

https://www.ft.com/content/c408293c-cda ... f7778e7377
So far the government has stayed out of any interference.
The biggest thing coming up in 2018 is a possible revision of the labor agreement with the flight attendants union. The current rules are unrealistic and uncompetitive as you'd expect in an airline that was government run for decades but the union doesn't want it. So that will be a very interesting thing to watch. The existing agreement is leading to ridiculous episodes like the one reported here:
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/ ... e-service/



Um Im sorry but that article needs to be looked at - 206 pax requires 5 Cabin Crew not 4, it is a JAA violation and the story doesnt add up. If true the airline needs to be fined, but as usual with the internet and entitled freaks something doesnt add up in that story...
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:38 pm

Jayafe wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
...The only problem for TP is Lis apt, they should build a new airport with 2 runways (I see one, i guess military base when I land, could they build it there? Of course it is not downtown...


They're working exactly on that:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017- ... 749881.htm


Montijo AB is located southeast of Lisbon (indeed the first option to build a new airport).
The riverside runway you spot on your left side when (final) approaching LIS runway 21 (from the north) is Alverca. I think that's the one Jayafe means, because it is almost parallel with LIS main runway.

As far as I know the new airport project is still on hold... (financial issue)?
They also expanded the international terminal at LIS recently.
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:58 pm

santi319 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
a350lover wrote:

Thanks @dredgy
Is there any attempt by the state to sell all/part of it?

https://www.ft.com/content/c408293c-cda ... f7778e7377
So far the government has stayed out of any interference.
The biggest thing coming up in 2018 is a possible revision of the labor agreement with the flight attendants union. The current rules are unrealistic and uncompetitive as you'd expect in an airline that was government run for decades but the union doesn't want it. So that will be a very interesting thing to watch. The existing agreement is leading to ridiculous episodes like the one reported here:
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/ ... e-service/



Um Im sorry but that article needs to be looked at - 206 pax requires 5 Cabin Crew not 4, it is a JAA violation and the story doesnt add up. If true the airline needs to be fined, but as usual with the internet and entitled freaks something doesnt add up in that story...


The article is wrong in several aspects. TAP's A321 have 216 seats (was 199 before a recent cabin retrofit) and the standard cabin crew has long been of 6 on company's policy. The described flight was likely operating with only 5 CC, in such case the crew might skip service to prevent the company taking advantage of it.
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:44 pm

airbazar wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
Is TP bringing in more Embraers or a320 for the new services? I read also that there will be more frequencies to Brazil and Canada. Is the new 339?

TP is getting a number of NEO's this year, both A320's and A339's.
First A320NEO is scheduled to arrive in February.

If I remember well, TB is also getting 2 A319 to Porto, for the new services to BCN and MXP.
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:45 pm

LXwing wrote:
The article is wrong in several aspects. TAP's A321 have 216 seats (was 199 before a recent cabin retrofit) and the standard cabin crew has long been of 6 on company's policy. The described flight was likely operating with only 5 CC, in such case the crew might skip service to prevent the company taking advantage of it.

Correct. A lot of people don't realize that TAP still has a dedicated purser in each flight which counts as an additional flight attendant but doesn't actually contribute anything to the airline's service. It's a relic of a past when government owned airlines did not need to be profitable. As a result, unlike every other airline I know, TP has normally operates with 5 FA's in the A319/320, and 6 FA's in the A321. So what is referred to as "minimum crew" is actually normal for just about every other airline in the World. Hence why the new, private administration wants to change the rules. But as you can imagine, the employees/Union doesn't want it.
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:56 am

airbazar wrote:
Hence why the new, private administration wants to change the rules. But as you can imagine, the employees/Union doesn't want it.

Im the most pro Union person on earth, specially when it comes to airlines, however, if I was cabin crew at TP, I would seriously consider my choices. Look at all these Euro Airlines shutting down and you wanna keep old school practices?? Be careful what you wish for...
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:35 pm

Delicate topic. Of course, if I was the pax upgraded, I would try to contact the airline and claim a refund for the lack of service, especially if that pax paid the upgrade from an economy fare. However, I guess that I would try to empathize a little with the employee's fair right to defend their conditions. We all do that with our jobs.
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:01 pm

Tap new destinations have been recently announced: Chicago & Conakry
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:03 pm

"Tap new destinations have been recently announced: Chicago & Conakry"

No such announcement has been made.
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:01 pm

Correct, no official announcement has been made. However, there are rumors that ORD and CKY will effectively start in the end of March 2018, no details on frequencies though.
The previous intention was to open SFO and YUL for S18, but it depends on the arrival of the A330neo probably only from 3Q2018.
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:53 pm

CKY shows up on Wikipedia now, let’s see if these rumours materialise.
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:20 pm

santos wrote:
CKY shows up on Wikipedia now, let’s see if these rumours materialise.


Wikipedia is not a source
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:38 pm

Dear God... There are people who really trust on Wikipedia???
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:11 am

Although I'm not saying that Chicago and Conrakry won't materialise you can't really make that judgment regarding Wikipedia as not being trusted with the facts as 99% of the time I find Wikipedia correct and usually my first point of reference when searching for something although not entirely Aviation related but non the less regardless of it showing up on on Wikipedia the site is a very useful tool.
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:42 am

Jayafe wrote:
santos wrote:
CKY shows up on Wikipedia now, let’s see if these rumours materialise.


Wikipedia is not a source

I didn’t say it was a source but a rumour!
Been on here for too long to know that
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:42 am

ojjunior wrote:
Dear God... There are people who really trust on Wikipedia???

As above!
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:08 pm

LXwing wrote:
Correct, no official announcement has been made. However, there are rumors that ORD and CKY will effectively start in the end of March 2018, no details on frequencies though.
The previous intention was to open SFO and YUL for S18, but it depends on the arrival of the A330neo probably only from 3Q2018.

I wonder why ORD instead of SFO? Both would require an A330, although LIS-SFO utilizes the frame for more than 24 hours.
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:53 pm

TAP at the moment don't have the right aircraft to do SFO, I think they will wait for the A339 EIS and see how they perform.
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:00 pm

yochai wrote:
I wonder if TP will ever try TLV. LY,IZ and 6H all fly TLV-LIS/OPO during summer, they could also get plenty of connections to North and South America


That would be interesting as TP also flies to EZE and GRU, they would have to compete with LH though
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:10 pm

Maybe in the next years TAP can start to flights to TLV since in October 2017 TAP and El Al started a code share

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/275675/el-al-tap-air-portugal-begins-codeshare-service-from-oct-2017/
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:30 pm

The lauch of SFO depends on the arrival of the A330neo, as the current A330 fleet (230/233t MTOW variants) does not have the legs to do SFO without weight penalty. Lauching ORD first is not very surprising as it was already on their priority list, more surprising is not lauching YUL just yet. :scratchchin:
TAP doesn't fly to EZE anymore. TLV is on their priority list but depends on the arrival of the A320neo to expand the NB fleet. The code-share with El Al could be a final test to the market before starting TLV on their own metal in a couple years. :stirthepot:
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:03 pm

LXwing wrote:
The lauch of SFO depends on the arrival of the A330neo, as the current A330 fleet (230/233t MTOW variants) does not have the legs to do SFO without weight penalty.

Interesting. It's not ideal but the ACAP for the 233t A332 says it could carry a payload of over 40t to 5,000nm. That's not too shabby.
http://nata.aero/agso/ASTGCache/ae6c6b8 ... d81ff8.pdf
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:21 pm

airbazar wrote:
LXwing wrote:
The lauch of SFO depends on the arrival of the A330neo, as the current A330 fleet (230/233t MTOW variants) does not have the legs to do SFO without weight penalty.

Interesting. It's not ideal but the ACAP for the 233t A332 says it could carry a payload of over 40t to 5,000nm. That's not too shabby.
http://nata.aero/agso/ASTGCache/ae6c6b8 ... d81ff8.pdf

I hate to reply to my own post but it can't be edited anymore :)
DL is flying DTW-NGO, DTW-PEK, and SEA-HKG with a 233t A332 and those routes are all much longer than LIS-SFO. TP does have about 30 more seats on their A332's. So I guess the penalty should be somewhere in between that.
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:30 am

PPVLC wrote:
yochai wrote:
I wonder if TP will ever try TLV. LY,IZ and 6H all fly TLV-LIS/OPO during summer, they could also get plenty of connections to North and South America


That would be interesting as TP also flies to EZE and GRU, they would have to compete with LH though


TP doesn't fly to EZE.
 
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:02 am

I'm surprised they don't fly to JNB. They certainly used to with an L1011-500. There is a very large Portuguese community in South Africa - around a million I once read.
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Re: TAP announces new routes for 2018

Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:49 am

angelopga wrote:
PPVLC wrote:
yochai wrote:
I wonder if TP will ever try TLV. LY,IZ and 6H all fly TLV-LIS/OPO during summer, they could also get plenty of connections to North and South America


That would be interesting as TP also flies to EZE and GRU, they would have to compete with LH though


TP doesn't fly to EZE.


true, they share with Gol to Aeroparque
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