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Horizon Air to resume Embraer 175 deliveries in March 2018 as pilot shortage lessens

Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:34 pm

Link/Source: https://worldairlinenews.com/2017/12/20 ... e-lessens/


"Alaska Horizon (Horizon Air) is planning to resume Embraer 175 deliveries again in March 2018 according to Seattle Times. Deliveries were halted this past summer by outgoing CEO Dave Campbell due to a pilot shortage that has eased up. SkyWest Airlines filled the void for Alaska Airlines with their Embraer 175s."

How many new pilots have been hired to ease the pilot shortage at Horizon, and how many E175s are left to be delivered from the deferred order.
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:37 pm

Any indication of new E175 routes?
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:21 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
Any indication of new E175 routes?


They have some they suspended they are starting back up in March or April I am assuming they will need to fill first.
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:33 am

I'd like to know more about how they fixed the shortage.

Some airlines have lower pay and more issues. But how stands the supply? How many pilots with an ATP are unemployed? I work with dozens who couldn't downsize to a starting pilot salary today, so they are out of the pool.

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Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:13 am

Why not accept the deliveries and park the planes or lease them to SkyWest to cover the flying you can't cover?

Capital expense cash flow would be a reason I guess, but that close to delivery they ought to be in the budget anyway.
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:00 am

Part of the contribution was the pilots that came to work for Horizon after Island Air died.
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:03 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
Any indication of new E175 routes?


After adding replacing the Q400's on the more trunk routes like OAK-PDX, I would guess STS would see E-175's for their flights. I would like to see COS come back and additional service to MRY like SEA-MRY.
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:21 am

COS is being rumored to be making a return in 2018. It may only be seasonal though.
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:41 am

Jshank83 wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
Any indication of new E175 routes?


They have some they suspended they are starting back up in March or April I am assuming they will need to fill first.


Indeed you're correct, both PDX-STL & PDX-MCI are slated to resume this spring. I doubt we'll see many brand new routes (although there are always a few things that pop up) but we'll see resumption of services suspended & the E-175's taking over certain current Q-400 routes as QX returns the first 15 Q's.
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Re: Horizon Air to resume Embraer 175 deliveries in March 2018 as pilot shortage lessens

Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:00 am

I doubt we will see any new routes for QX... especially if they are going to be replacing Q400s 1 for 1 for E175s. AAG is not very happy right now...
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:08 am

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I'd like to know more about how they fixed the shortage.

Some airlines have lower pay and more issues. But how stands the supply? How many pilots with an ATP are unemployed? I work with dozens who couldn't downsize to a starting pilot salary today, so they are out of the pool.

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Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:27 am

lightsaber wrote:
I'd like to know more about how they fixed the shortage.

Some airlines have lower pay and more issues. But how stands the supply? How many pilots with an ATP are unemployed? I work with dozens who couldn't downsize to a starting pilot salary today, so they are out of the pool.

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They started offering a 10/20k hiring bonus back in October, the pilots that were hired then are starting to finish IOE and hit the line. Classes today are full.

QX actually offers unique bases to pilots that they wouldn't be able to get at other regionals. Their pay was just so far substandard for the industry it finally caught up with them big time.

If they instituted a true flow to AS like what AA/MQ have it would open the floodgates for new hires.
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:19 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
Any indication of new E175 routes?


After adding replacing the Q400's on the more trunk routes like OAK-PDX, I would guess STS would see E-175's for their flights. I would like to see COS come back and additional service to MRY like SEA-MRY.


As mentioned elsewhere in thread I expect we'll see some dropped routes returning like PDX-MCI. Otherwise PDX-OAK (and PDX-SMF) is still scheduled for Q400 after March 10 (mainline for now). I was hoping it'd just stay at mainline but I think most likely is Q400 replaced by E175 at some point this year.
 
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Re: Horizon Air to resume Embraer 175 deliveries in March 2018 as pilot shortage lessens

Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:41 pm

Would love to see them in EUG, but given how close we are to PDX I seriously doubt it will happen.
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:48 pm

Awesome! This is great news! Hopefully with the extra planes they can have the PDX-OMA flight arrive at 945pm vs 12:40am!! This will improve the financials on this leg drastically! Also an 8am departure vs 6:30am departure would help too!
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:07 pm

joeljack wrote:
Awesome! This is great news! Hopefully with the extra planes they can have the PDX-OMA flight arrive at 945pm vs 12:40am!! This will improve the financials on this leg drastically! Also an 8am departure vs 6:30am departure would help too!


So you want the plane to overnight in OMA for 10 hours? I don't think they have that kind of scheduling slack for a relatively non-important market.
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:08 pm

Does anyone know if the E175 is capable of flying out of JAC? Seems like a hole in the AS/QX network, historically probably due to equipment decisions. AA/DL/UA/F9 all primarily fly the CR7 and A319 into Jackson Hole. With the E175 and A319 coming on line, AAG could possibly enter this lucrative market.
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:19 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I'd like to know more about how they fixed the shortage.

Some airlines have lower pay and more issues. But how stands the supply? How many pilots with an ATP are unemployed? I work with dozens who couldn't downsize to a starting pilot salary today, so they are out of the pool.

Lightsaber


They started offering a 10/20k hiring bonus back in October, the pilots that were hired then are starting to finish IOE and hit the line. Classes today are full.

QX actually offers unique bases to pilots that they wouldn't be able to get at other regionals. Their pay was just so far substandard for the industry it finally caught up with them big time.

If they instituted a true flow to AS like what AA/MQ have it would open the floodgates for new hires.

Yah cus living in Medford with no flow through is so great!
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:16 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I'd like to know more about how they fixed the shortage.

Some airlines have lower pay and more issues. But how stands the supply? How many pilots with an ATP are unemployed? I work with dozens who couldn't downsize to a starting pilot salary today, so they are out of the pool.

Lightsaber


They started offering a 10/20k hiring bonus back in October, the pilots that were hired then are starting to finish IOE and hit the line. Classes today are full.

QX actually offers unique bases to pilots that they wouldn't be able to get at other regionals. Their pay was just so far substandard for the industry it finally caught up with them big time.

If they instituted a true flow to AS like what AA/MQ have it would open the floodgates for new hires.

Yah cus living in Medford with no flow through is so great!


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Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:54 am

RWA380 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
Any indication of new E175 routes?


They have some they suspended they are starting back up in March or April I am assuming they will need to fill first.


Indeed you're correct, both PDX-STL & PDX-MCI are slated to resume this spring. I doubt we'll see many brand new routes (although there are always a few things that pop up) but we'll see resumption of services suspended & the E-175's taking over certain current Q-400 routes as QX returns the first 15 Q's.


SEA-MKE is being upgraded from E75 to 739 starting in March so that frees up some E75 lift to resume some flying and/or add new E75 service someplace else.
 
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Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:16 am

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RWA380 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

They have some they suspended they are starting back up in March or April I am assuming they will need to fill first.


Indeed you're correct, both PDX-STL & PDX-MCI are slated to resume this spring. I doubt we'll see many brand new routes (although there are always a few things that pop up) but we'll see resumption of services suspended & the E-175's taking over certain current Q-400 routes as QX returns the first 15 Q's.


SEA-MKE is being upgraded from E75 to 739 starting in March so that frees up some E75 lift to resume some flying and/or add new E75 service someplace else.


The same day MKE changes to mainline is the same day PDX-STL starts back up and SEA-STL goes back to 2x daily (adding a E75). So maybe that is the plane they are using on the SEA route.
 
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Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:26 am

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If they instituted a true flow to AS like what AA/MQ have it would open the floodgates for new hires.


To go be paid 5th best in the nation?

You'd be surprised to hear that Alaska FOs are actually *leaving* Alaska for Delta, United, and American....
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usxguy wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:

If they instituted a true flow to AS like what AA/MQ have it would open the floodgates for new hires.


To go be paid 5th best in the nation?

You'd be surprised to hear that Alaska FOs are actually *leaving* Alaska for Delta, United, and American....


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Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:41 am

Jshank83 wrote:
knope2001 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Indeed you're correct, both PDX-STL & PDX-MCI are slated to resume this spring. I doubt we'll see many brand new routes (although there are always a few things that pop up) but we'll see resumption of services suspended & the E-175's taking over certain current Q-400 routes as QX returns the first 15 Q's.


SEA-MKE is being upgraded from E75 to 739 starting in March so that frees up some E75 lift to resume some flying and/or add new E75 service someplace else.


The same day MKE changes to mainline is the same day PDX-STL starts back up and SEA-STL goes back to 2x daily (adding a E75). So maybe that is the plane they are using on the SEA route.


Also the day OAK and SMF lose their 737 service to PDX :thumbsdown:
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:54 am

Hey, let's not forget Paine Field service should be announced soon -- supposedly by early in 2018 -- with service to start in perhaps September 2018. That should involve some EMJs and maybe some mainline as well. Nine daily flights was the last estimate I remember.

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AAG will commence DAL service from SAN and SJC in mid-February (on EMJs.) Then SAN will get a second DAL trip in early June with the peak summer schedule; this one is already on the books too!

BTW, anyone else hope we get our interactive route map back soon? I sure am! That 'merger' route map still on display (showing the combined AS and VX routes) is completely useless. Anyone on the inside have any idea what's going on with that?

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Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:18 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
knope2001 wrote:

SEA-MKE is being upgraded from E75 to 739 starting in March so that frees up some E75 lift to resume some flying and/or add new E75 service someplace else.


The same day MKE changes to mainline is the same day PDX-STL starts back up and SEA-STL goes back to 2x daily (adding a E75). So maybe that is the plane they are using on the SEA route.


Also the day OAK and SMF lose their 737 service to PDX :thumbsdown:


I never realized that OAK-PDX was mainline 2X daily with a 737-700. But I hope it doesn't go back to Q400's. Hopefully, QX will use the E-175's on the route and add the 3rd daily back in.
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:22 am

Even though the passenger quantity difference between the Q400 and E-175's are negligible, the quality of the E-175's, compared to the Q400's, are apples and oranges. I hope STS will get these jets soon!
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:56 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

The same day MKE changes to mainline is the same day PDX-STL starts back up and SEA-STL goes back to 2x daily (adding a E75). So maybe that is the plane they are using on the SEA route.


Also the day OAK and SMF lose their 737 service to PDX :thumbsdown:


I never realized that OAK-PDX was mainline 2X daily with a 737-700. But I hope it doesn't go back to Q400's. Hopefully, QX will use the E-175's on the route and add the 3rd daily back in.


They put E175s on for a month last July before returning to Q400s, then sprinkled in 737s for the fall before back to Q400 for November and then full time 737 Dec 1-Mar 10. And as of now back to Q400 after that. They just can’t quit the Q400 on this route, no matter how severe their pilot shortage is or how much they want to bite into WN market share in CA.
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:01 am

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AAG will commence DAL service from SAN and SJC in mid-February (on EMJs.) Then SAN will get a second DAL trip in early June with the peak summer schedule; this one is already on the books too!

BTW, anyone else hope we get our interactive route map back soon? I sure am! That 'merger' route map still on display (showing the combined AS and VX routes) is completely useless. Anyone on the inside have any idea what's going on with that?

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It still exists here: as.fltmaps.com
 
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Does anyone know if the E175 is capable of flying out of JAC? Seems like a hole in the AS/QX network, historically probably due to equipment decisions. AA/DL/UA/F9 all primarily fly the CR7 and A319 into Jackson Hole. With the E175 and A319 coming on line, AAG could possibly enter this lucrative market.



Yes. OO already flys lax/sea-jac in the 175
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:57 am

BTown wrote:
SANFan wrote:
Does anyone else hope we get our interactive route map back soon? I sure do! That 'merger' route map still on display (showing the combined AS and VX routes) is completely useless. Anyone on the inside have any idea what's going on with that?

bb


It still exists here: as.fltmaps.com


Oh thank you, B'! And it's current too! Nice Christmas present!

I still can't imagine why they replaced it with that plate of spaghetti now on the route map page but I hope it's just temporary.

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Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:52 am

amcnd wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
Does anyone know if the E175 is capable of flying out of JAC? Seems like a hole in the AS/QX network, historically probably due to equipment decisions. AA/DL/UA/F9 all primarily fly the CR7 and A319 into Jackson Hole. With the E175 and A319 coming on line, AAG could possibly enter this lucrative market.



Yes. OO already flys lax/sea-jac in the 175


Interesting, those must be holiday upgauges as the JAC PDF flight schedule shows all CR7s for SkyWest.

http://www.jacksonholeairport.com/perch ... ir2018.pdf

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Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:29 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
Why not accept the deliveries and park the planes or lease them to SkyWest to cover the flying you can't cover?

Capital expense cash flow would be a reason I guess, but that close to delivery they ought to be in the budget anyway.


Accepting the deliveries and parking the planes isn't a great idea from a capital perspective.

AFAIK, they can't lease them to SkyWest as there is a CBA provision that airplanes ordered for QX can only be flown by QX, so leasing them out to OO would be in violation of the CBA.
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:32 pm

ucdtim17 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:

Also the day OAK and SMF lose their 737 service to PDX :thumbsdown:


I never realized that OAK-PDX was mainline 2X daily with a 737-700. But I hope it doesn't go back to Q400's. Hopefully, QX will use the E-175's on the route and add the 3rd daily back in.


They put E175s on for a month last July before returning to Q400s, then sprinkled in 737s for the fall before back to Q400 for November and then full time 737 Dec 1-Mar 10. And as of now back to Q400 after that. They just can’t quit the Q400 on this route, no matter how severe their pilot shortage is or how much they want to bite into WN market share in CA.


It sounds like OAK-PDX is Alaska's weakest Bay Area market these days. I still think the E-175's are most appropriate equipment for the OAK-PDX route. But then again, WN might actually be eating AS alive on the route.
 
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As I'm studying the 2018 schedules -- some final, some not yet -- I notice that a few of the EMJ flights/routes from SAN switch back and forth from OO to QX. I don't know if it's as simple as wanting the F/C cabin sometimes, and not others, or if it's more complex fleet balancing and utilization. A couple of our new routes such as MCI and STL have switched, and a SMF-SAN-FAT trip goes back and forth occasionally. I assume this is happening network-wide?

SAN also continues to have essentially a single Q400 that spends its day flying the 3-4 routes out of Lindbergh -- STS, MRY, FAT, MMH -- back and forth, and sometimes just sits on the tarmac for 6 or 8 hours at a time, mostly depending on whether it's ski season with the MMH trips or not. (It generally integrates with the rest of the Q-network via our STS trip which often continues to SEA.) The long ground time has always seemed like a real waste of resources but considering what's going on these days with the Q fleet, I'm just happy that we haven't lost any routes or frequencies. Existing AAG service has really stayed very consistent over the years. (I do hope we see a second STS r/t one of these months, regardless if is' on a Q or an EMJ.)

I've still got a long list of unserved routes from SAN that I would love to see served by AAG, some EMJs or even Qs, some by mainline jets, but my expectations are low for seeing any of them show up in 2018. I do, however, hope to at least see a flight to PAE materialize sometime soon.

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I notice that a few of the EMJ flights/routes from SAN switch back and forth from OO to QX. I don't know if it's as simple as wanting the F/C cabin sometimes, and not others...


Do the Horizon planes not have a First Class cabin? I know the SkyWest planes do, and there were rumors of Alaska wanting to go all coach on at least some E175s but as far as I know all the current Horizon and SkyWest E175s operating for Alaska have a F/C cabin.
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:21 pm

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Do the Horizon planes not have a First Class cabin? I know the SkyWest planes do, and there were rumors of Alaska wanting to go all coach on at least some E175s but as far as I know all the current Horizon and SkyWest E175s operating for Alaska have a F/C cabin.

I stand corrected! (And embarrassed...) I was under the impression that OO was all Y and only the new QX EMJs had a F/C cabin. I see that I was wrong and appreciate your questioning me.

So I guess essentially there is no difference between an OO EMJ and a QX one? Well, I guess that's not the reason the flights are sometimes shown as OO (3xxx flight number series) and other schedules as QX (27xx) ones.

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Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:47 pm

SANFan wrote:
asqx wrote:
Do the Horizon planes not have a First Class cabin? I know the SkyWest planes do, and there were rumors of Alaska wanting to go all coach on at least some E175s but as far as I know all the current Horizon and SkyWest E175s operating for Alaska have a F/C cabin.

I stand corrected! (And embarrassed...) I was under the impression that OO was all Y and only the new QX EMJs had a F/C cabin. I see that I was wrong and appreciate your questioning me.

So I guess essentially there is no difference between an OO EMJ and a QX one? Well, I guess that's not the reason the flights are sometimes shown as OO (3xxx flight number series) and other schedules as QX (27xx) ones.

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Both QX and OO (As far as AS is concerned) all have First, Premium Economy and regular economy.
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:14 pm

asqx wrote:
SANFan wrote:
I notice that a few of the EMJ flights/routes from SAN switch back and forth from OO to QX. I don't know if it's as simple as wanting the F/C cabin sometimes, and not others...


Do the Horizon planes not have a First Class cabin? I know the SkyWest planes do, and there were rumors of Alaska wanting to go all coach on at least some E175s but as far as I know all the current Horizon and SkyWest E175s operating for Alaska have a F/C cabin.


There are no rumors internally about AS going all coach on any of the E175s that I've heard. It wouldn't even make sense. They're very intentional about not wanting to maintain subfleets (outside of the ETOPS planes). From a cost perspective, it just makes more sense to be able to utilize any 175 to any QX destination, rather than having to delegate only certain planes to certain routes.
 
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Re: Horizon Air to resume Embraer 175 deliveries in March 2018 as pilot shortage lessens

Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:02 pm

lightsaber wrote:
I'd like to know more about how they fixed the shortage.

Some airlines have lower pay and more issues. But how stands the supply? How many pilots with an ATP are unemployed? I work with dozens who couldn't downsize to a starting pilot salary today, so they are out of the pool.

Lightsaber


I believe they are planning to use outside contract simulator instructors for both fleets. Probably does not account for a large number of pilots but every bit helps.
 
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Re: Horizon Air to resume Embraer 175 deliveries in March 2018 as pilot shortage lessens

Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:00 am

SANFan wrote:
AAG will commence DAL service from SAN and SJC in mid-February (on EMJs.) Then SAN will get a second DAL trip in early June with the peak summer schedule; this one is already on the books too!

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EMJ might be just be the vehicle that gets AAG a foothold outside of W Coast. Switching the A319’s to LGA/DCA and adding more frequency on EMJ’s might just be the ticket to get DAL ops sustainable.
 
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Re: Horizon Air to resume Embraer 175 deliveries in March 2018 as pilot shortage lessens

Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:27 am

Maybe Alaska Airlines really doesn't want to deal with Horizon Air anymore and wants all the flying done by SkyWest.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: Horizon Air to resume Embraer 175 deliveries in March 2018 as pilot shortage lessens

Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:38 am

amcnd wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
Does anyone know if the E175 is capable of flying out of JAC? Seems like a hole in the AS/QX network, historically probably due to equipment decisions. AA/DL/UA/F9 all primarily fly the CR7 and A319 into Jackson Hole. With the E175 and A319 coming on line, AAG could possibly enter this lucrative market.



Yes. OO already flys lax/sea-jac in the 175

Delta Connection only flyes SEA - JAC. Not Alaska.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: Horizon Air to resume Embraer 175 deliveries in March 2018 as pilot shortage lessens

Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:57 am

dc10lover wrote:
amcnd wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
Does anyone know if the E175 is capable of flying out of JAC? Seems like a hole in the AS/QX network, historically probably due to equipment decisions. AA/DL/UA/F9 all primarily fly the CR7 and A319 into Jackson Hole. With the E175 and A319 coming on line, AAG could possibly enter this lucrative market.



Yes. OO already flys lax/sea-jac in the 175

Delta Connection only flyes SEA - JAC. Not Alaska.


One of only two domestic destinations Delta serves from SEA that the Alaska Air Group does not. The other is (also seasonal) CVG.
 
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Re: Horizon Air to resume Embraer 175 deliveries in March 2018 as pilot shortage lessens

Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:07 pm

Any word if SEA-COS will return?
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Re: Horizon Air to resume Embraer 175 deliveries in March 2018 as pilot shortage lessens

Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:36 pm

BA wrote:
Any word if SEA-COS will return?


I hope so. I saw in the early part of this thread, it sounded like COS was coming back later in 2018.
 
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Re: Horizon Air to resume Embraer 175 deliveries in March 2018 as pilot shortage lessens

Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:38 pm

SANFan wrote:
AAG will commence DAL service from SAN and SJC in mid-February (on EMJs.) Then SAN will get a second DAL trip in early June with the peak summer schedule; this one is already on the books too!


Both will actually be on Skywest E175s
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