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Re: British Airways and the 767

Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:36 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
It seems like the 767s that American Airlines flies have many mechanical issues; is it the same for the BA 767s?


Pretty much weekly.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:48 pm

We had a left hyderaulic system failure last week, then a problem with the autopilot, disconnected and flown manually, a week before had a steering lockout, the list is endless.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:59 pm

I think my only BA 767 flights were when my flight from Madrid got cancelled due to the French ATC strike earlier this year and I was put on the earlier 767 flight, and a previous TLV flight. I might be wrong on the TLV flight, I know I have flown the 777 from TLV, but I thought one flight to TLV was on the 767.
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:59 pm

SeaDoo wrote:
I think my only BA 767 flights were when my flight from Madrid got cancelled due to the French ATC strike earlier this year, and a previous TLV flight. I might be wrong on the TLV flight, I know I have flown the 777 from TLV, but I thought one flight to TLV was on the 767.


Yes, totally correct, the 76 went back to TLV back in 2009, winter schedule?
We even took the 757 there, a while ago now.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:06 pm

OA260 wrote:
ahmetdouas wrote:
I will miss them when they are gone! My main BA route ATH-LHR-ATH is so much more comfortable in the 767 than the cramped A320's. I love the 2-3-2 seating in Y, with only one seatmate next to me it is so easy to go for a walk whenever one pleases!


I thought you ditched BA for A3? Or was that last month ;)


I have a UK credit card that collects BA miles so I fly them with miles = )
I cannot afford to pay A3 full price, they are charging like 400+ EUR return to London! = )
I usually do FR if I don't have any miles to blow!
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:38 pm

My last flights on a BA 767 were LHR-ALA-LHR. The flight to ALA had a total of 7 pax. We had more FA's than pax. BA did this flight 2 times a week and it was more for cargo than the pax but they axed this flight a few years ago.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:45 pm

tropical wrote:

ETA: Yes, two days ago. So I was on a 777 all along? The thought that the plane could be a T7 had never occurred to me :oops:

Oh well, that's one for my log book. MAD-LHR on a 777. Cool!


Please don't take this the wrong way but I can't imagine someone who visits this website wouldn't know what type plane they were flying on. Didn't pay any attention to the safety briefing (where they nearly always mention the aircraft type) or have a look at the safety instructions card?

Maybe I'm so much of an Avgeek that I take for granted that everyone on this forum has the same depth of interest in the airline industry as I do.

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Re: British Airways and the 767

Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:17 pm

Jayafe wrote:
As a frequent sufferer in the past of the BA's "cargo" flights LHR<>MAD on 767, the sooner they are gone, the better. Noisy, uncomfortable and outdated. Cant wait for the farewell.


What was outdated about the 767? Its not like BA shorthaul fleet has nice modern things like IFE etc... All you get is a seat.. and IMO I'd prefer a 2-3-2 with 32" pitch vs a 3-3 with 29" and DVT as a result.
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:25 pm

Antarius wrote:
What was outdated about the 767? Its not like BA shorthaul fleet has nice modern things like IFE etc... All you get is a seat.. and IMO I'd prefer a 2-3-2 with 32" pitch vs a 3-3 with 29" and DVT as a result.


Good for you, that is the amazing thing about opinions :)
I saw it outdated, creepy and poorly maintained by that time (a couple of years ago). Absolutely felt like everything shaking till falling apart.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:44 pm

I’ve always found it interesting about the relative lack of wide body “domestic” flights in UK compared to the rest of the world. Given the number of people and the lack of slots one would think widebodies could be used.

QF makes extensive use of its A330 on domestic runs - even running them empty of pax and full of cargo between the capital cities. Has done for years with the A330, previously 767 and 743.

Could BA do the same? Maybe because the UK is so small road will always be better for cargo.

Or if BA offered flights from other cities to JFK you would see a widebody cycle through the network. We can only dream of daily BA service from JFK to BFS, GLA, EDI, NCL, MAN and BHX.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:45 pm

Jayafe wrote:
Antarius wrote:
What was outdated about the 767? Its not like BA shorthaul fleet has nice modern things like IFE etc... All you get is a seat.. and IMO I'd prefer a 2-3-2 with 32" pitch vs a 3-3 with 29" and DVT as a result.


Good for you, that is the amazing thing about opinions :)
I saw it outdated, creepy and poorly maintained by that time (a couple of years ago). Absolutely felt like everything shaking till falling apart.


Of course - there is no universal right or wrong (although I think you are wrong ;) ). Was curious about why you felt that way.

I never felt unsafe on the 767, but yes - the cabin was old and rather decrepit. The plus was the "J" cabin extended halfway to the back, so those padded armchair style seats were easily available to sit in whereever you wanted to.
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:50 pm

redroo wrote:
Or if BA offered flights from other cities to JFK you would see a widebody cycle through the network. We can only dream of daily BA service from JFK to BFS, GLA, EDI, NCL, MAN and BHX.


More likely we see 321LRs doing that route vs a widebody.
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:40 pm

I turned around many a BA 767 in AMS, always loved working those flights! It's definitely a freighter, which they do manage to fill up nicely with passengers as well. Flown them 3 times, and I have to say I do think they are great aircraft. The current interior for the 32S out of LHR isn't half bad I think, but with the old one I definitely preferred the 767.

But, before the refurbishment a few years ago they looked like they were from some third world airline! BA has never been a star in maintaining cabins IMHO, and these were really bad. Pushing the curtain back to the last row of economy (when the forward section was all C) required like 6 people and 20 minutes because the rail was so dented. And don't get me started on those folding seats! Red disk anyone? Also NWZ is a total hangar queen!

I will be sad to see them go, also because it means it's another type disappearing from the European skies, in favor of some boring Airbus. :(

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Re: British Airways and the 767

Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:53 pm

skipness1E wrote:
LHR-MAD has the option of Iberia heavies, there's already one daily A346 per day, perhaps an A332? Speaking of BA Cargo, the DHL operatin supporting this operation is rumoured to be moving out to Gatters?


Where did you get that idea from please?

Are you just assuming that because DHL have recently set up ground handling at Gatwick that they will be moving their whole Heathrow operation to there?
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:27 am

The 767-336ER filled a good role for BA. They were brought in to replace the TriStar 1 fleet on shorhaul and the TriStar 200 fleet on longhaul. I think the latter were sold to Boeing as part of the deal as they pretty much ended up in the desert.

Original longhaul routes were the Middle East and North Amercia, either adding additional flights alongside a previous daily 747 or secondary destinations (e.g. replacing USAir 767-200s that had been operating in BA colours to PIT, BWI and CLT). Originally three class birds (10F 42J 141M) they went two class (30J 183M) with the arrival of the 777s then went back to three class (8F ?J ?M) before losing First to gain World Traveller Plus (24J 24W 141M).

In two Class they were exiled to Gatwick for longhaul, but then when BA standardised Gatwick on the 777 they went back to LHR. The last big changes was when BA needed longhaul capacity in the late 2000s and reconfigured a third of the fleet to longhaul (14 shorthaul 7 longhaul to 7 shorthaul 14 longhaul).

I was always surprised they never acquired any for use by Caledonian Airways rather than keep on the six TriStars they did. I know they would have been high capcity with ten abreast, but KT could have gone eight abreast in 767-336ERs (like BY did).
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:57 am

I wonder what will replace these planes cargo-wise, given that the reason why these planes are still around is for their belly cargo. As for the Rolls Royce engines, why did BA order RR-powered 767s---to get RR-powered 747s as well with the same engines? Their resale value is pretty poor; the only second-hand operators of RR-powered 767s (which take a weight penalty) have been Qantas and Jet Midwest/KMW Leasing-owned airlines which bought the Qantas 767s (Dynamic Airways and Jet Asia Airways) and none are sought by cargo airlines, who tend to prefer GE-powered 767s.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:20 am

British Airways once being a state owned airline ordered RR engines purely on the basis of buying British plus British Airways was also using RR RB211's on their B757 and newer B747 fleets so engine commonality was the reason for British Airways going for Rolls Royce.

As British Airways have a tendency to keep their fleets in service for almost their entirety I don't think that resale options played any part of them purchasing RR engines.

The purchase of 7 B767 by Qantas was an easy sale as they were already a RR customer.
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:32 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I wonder what will replace these planes cargo-wise, given that the reason why these planes are still around is for their belly cargo..


They will probably do more agreements with other carriers, as with the IST route.

The cargo now gets roaded to Luton and transferred on to MNG Cargo A300 flights to Istanbul, as the BA LHR-IST route is now just operated by A320s.

Or they may do more DHL connections. Do DHL fly to Larnaca? If they do then that cargo will route from Heathrow on one of the other DHL operated BA flights to either Frankfurt, Milan, Leipzig, etc, and on from there.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:55 pm

I do the LHR MAD LHR run 4-5 times a year and always pick the first flight out as it's a B763. Last trip was supposed to be a B787 coming back but it went tech in LHR so 2 hours late WZ turns up instead. I guess I have an affection for WA as she's BA's oldest plane and I remember seeing her 2 or 3 days after being delivered. Catching the B763 to MAD or back from STO makes a nice change from the A320 family. They've been good workhorses for BA.
Got a trip to MAD plus ATH next year with one on one of the sectors so will have to try and get a few more in before they disappear.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:20 am

Always thought WB was the first...?
Believe WA stayed at PAE for a while , testing RR engines et al....
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:16 pm

FlyCaledonian wrote:
The 767-336ER filled a good role for BA. They were brought in to replace the TriStar 1 fleet on shorhaul and the TriStar 200 fleet on longhaul. I think the latter were sold to Boeing as part of the deal as they pretty much ended up in the desert.

Original longhaul routes were the Middle East and North Amercia, either adding additional flights alongside a previous daily 747 or secondary destinations (e.g. replacing USAir 767-200s that had been operating in BA colours to PIT, BWI and CLT). Originally three class birds (10F 42J 141M) they went two class (30J 183M) with the arrival of the 777s then went back to three class (8F ?J ?M) before losing First to gain World Traveller Plus (24J 24W 141M).

In two Class they were exiled to Gatwick for longhaul, but then when BA standardised Gatwick on the 777 they went back to LHR. The last big changes was when BA needed longhaul capacity in the late 2000s and reconfigured a third of the fleet to longhaul (14 shorthaul 7 longhaul to 7 shorthaul 14 longhaul).

My recollection of the 763s at LGW is different as I believe that they had three cabins. For example, LGW-PLS was launched on 3 June 2001 with a 3-cabin 763, although whether the Club World cabin had the cradle seats or the new flat-bed seats I cannot say. However, under Rod Eddington LGW was dehubbed and the only widebodies based there were GE90-powered 777-200ERs, so the 763s were moved back to LHR.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:40 pm

shuttle9juliet wrote:
ba319-131 wrote:
As of end of December my current remaining 7 BA 763 flight totals are:-

BZHB - 10
BNWA - 7
BZHC - 6
BNWC - 5
BNWX - 5
BNWZ - 5
BZHA - 2


Have you got WC mixed up with WB ?


- No, only flown WB twice
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:03 pm

@N729PA I think we were on the same flight if it was BA460 on 25 Nov. Booked a 789/772 combo but got G-BNWZ (again) on the way out. The interior really was in a very poor state down the back, needed a thorough deep clean.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:30 pm

I see that on 15.01.2018, the BA460 service LHR to MAD is being operated on the 788...
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:09 pm

I think you mean the 789.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:58 pm

gunnerman wrote:
I think you mean the 789.


I'll take your word for it: I'm not that "in the know", I'm afraid, the BA website merely states Boeing 787 Jet... I simply assumed it was the 788...
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:59 pm

BA460/461 alternates on different days between B772 and B789s for the winter :)
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:42 pm

BA460 is operated twice-weekly by a 216-seat 789, the other days by 772s with various seat capacities (229, 275 and 299).
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:10 pm

The BA 767 fleet has fascinated me since I was a kid. Whilst everyone was interested in Concorde, I just loved the 767s.

I will be gutted when beautiful old G-BNWB is no longer around.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:35 pm

Think G-BNWB is BA's oldest frame......delivered nearly 28 yrs ago...08FEB90....WOW.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:37 am

TUGMASTER
Yes WB is the oldest from delivery and WA oldest from roll out/first flight.

WA 23/05/89 25/04/90
WB 30/11/89 08/02/90
(First flight and delivery respectively)

Skipness1E
Yes I was on the return flight that day. I'd flown down in the morning on the 456 with WA and had booked the B787 for the return on the 461 and got WZ instead.
2nd time I've booked a BA 787 flight and got a B767 instead. I suppose there's plenty of time to fly the B787, less so the old 767s ☺
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:27 am

I still need WB. Been on all the other remaining aircraft.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:32 am

shuttle9juliet wrote:
CarbonFibre wrote:
Had a great full-power departure to MAD in October on BNWX. Runway was wet and one autobrake inop...!


We normally don’t ever use autobrake 1! 2 or above.
I don’t know why they ever installed 1 anyway?


I doubt he’s talking about the “Autobrakes 1” setting. He’s likely meaning one wheel brake was inop on a wheel truck. Meaning no reduced thrust takeoff. Your reply makes no sense to his statement.

Also you talk about failures in a previous reply. One concerning the autopilot and having to hand fly. 3 autopilots failed? Quite a poor day out.
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Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:41 pm

shuttle9juliet wrote:
CarbonFibre wrote:
Had a great full-power departure to MAD in October on BNWX. Runway was wet and one autobrake inop...!


We normally don’t ever use autobrake 1! 2 or above.
I don’t know why they ever installed 1 anyway?


I don’t think he meant AUTOBRAKE 1, as in the setting. He meant the AUTOBRAKE system was INOP, along with a wet runway requires a full underated takeoff thrust.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:09 pm

[quoteI] was always surprised they never acquired any for use by Caledonian Airways rather than keep on the six TriStars they did. I know they would have been high capcity with ten abreast, but KT could have gone eight abreast in 767-336ERs (like BY did).[/quote]

This was looked at in the day, but the BA 767s could not be converted from seven to eight abreast without massive cost every time as the seat tracks on the cabin floors could only do one or the other - there was no option for interchange which would have made swapping them on a semi-regular basis a practical option, unlike the 737-200s, 757s and TriStars.

In addition, I seem to recall there was also some wing spar load-bearing strength issue that you could never take the BA 767s to wall-to-wall charter seating with Rolls Royce engines under the wings within the permitted load on the wing spar, or something like that. 276 sticks in my memory as being the max seating you could go to, versus 328 on a full charter 767 with the door configuration that permits high density seating. [The 767-300 was certificated for a max of 351 but I don't think anyone ever went above 328. The BA 767s fly with 259 today and 290 was the max determined by exit limits on a 767-300 with low density door seating config]. The RR engines were heavier than the GE or PWs, also the reason why those specific 767 aircraft could never be fitted with winglets. You also couldn't get the Rolls 767s beyond 181-tonne max take-off weight up to the 187t of a GE or PW aircraft.

As British Airways have a tendency to keep their fleets in service for almost their entirety I don't think that resale options played any part of them purchasing RR engines.

Resale options certainly didn't play any part in the initial selection - it was all about engine commonality with the (at-the-time) in-house BA engine workshop. It did become a factor later though as this basically stuffed the proposal where the 767s were pitched against the A330 as the rival proposition to what is AirTanker today. It would have been quite ironic if next-generation BA cast-offs in the form of the 767s had been used to replace two previous generations of BA/BOAC cast-offs - the VC10s and TriStar 500s - in RAF service.

I’ve always found it interesting about the relative lack of wide body “domestic” flights in UK compared to the rest of the world. Given the number of people and the lack of slots one would think widebodies could be used.

Part of the trouble is the weights of the 767s. At 158 tonnes MTOW (where they are currently being flown) to carry 259 passengers, you are carrying 610kgs of chargeable weight for landing, airport nav and Eurocontrol fees per passenger. On the A321s, an 83 tonne MTOW aircraft is carrying 205 passengers - so 404kgs of chargeable weight per passenger. You either need to be carrying a lot of freight or operating a day of relatively long sectors with few weight-related landings to manage the short-haul 767s - and funnily enough, that's what they've been doing in recent years.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:58 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
shuttle9juliet wrote:
CarbonFibre wrote:
Had a great full-power departure to MAD in October on BNWX. Runway was wet and one autobrake inop...!


We normally don’t ever use autobrake 1! 2 or above.
I don’t know why they ever installed 1 anyway?


I don’t think he meant AUTOBRAKE 1, as in the setting. He meant the AUTOBRAKE system was INOP, along with a wet runway requires a full underated takeoff thrust.


I’m not sure what he’s talking about Autobrakes1 for in regards to a full thrust takeoff. It’s RTO, and RTO only.

And I use Brakes 1 on landing all the time. Long runway, the brakes apply smooth, less grabby, nose pitches down smoother (see less grabby). What I never use on landing is RTO..... lol
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:43 pm

sixtyseven wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
shuttle9juliet wrote:

We normally don’t ever use autobrake 1! 2 or above.
I don’t know why they ever installed 1 anyway?


I don’t think he meant AUTOBRAKE 1, as in the setting. He meant the AUTOBRAKE system was INOP, along with a wet runway requires a full underated takeoff thrust.


I’m not sure what he’s talking about Autobrakes1 for in regards to a full thrust takeoff. It’s RTO, and RTO only.

And I use Brakes 1 on landing all the time. Long runway, the brakes apply smooth, less grabby, nose pitches down smoother (see less grabby). What I never use on landing is RTO..... lol


Again, he wasn’t talking about Autobrake setting. He was talking about the system.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:55 pm

NWX did some sort of tanker trials about 10 years ago if I remember rightly, can anyone remember what that was?

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Re: British Airways and the 767

Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:06 pm

Jayafe wrote:
As a frequent sufferer in the past of the BA's "cargo" flights LHR<>MAD on 767, the sooner they are gone, the better. Noisy, uncomfortable and outdated. Cant wait for the farewell.

How exactly are they less comfortable? They have greater pitch which translates to more leg room. Plus you have a good chance of getting seated in the two seats on either side of the aircraft. On the bus it is 3x3.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:41 am

GBNWB wrote:
NWX did some sort of tanker trials about 10 years ago if I remember rightly, can anyone remember what that was?


Yes, see post 85. It was BNWL around 2000. It had extra FSTA titles on the tail.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:03 pm

I've always wondered why the BA 767 fleet had the full 8 door arrangement used by the 8 abreast charter airlines, when BA had a comparatively low density 7 abreast seating arrangement. Does anybody know the answer?
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:23 pm

If I remember rightly, when BA ordered the 767 then the A-A-I-A exit arrangement was the only one available - I don't think the 767 configurations with Type III exits came along until a bit later in the 767 evolution. Happy to stand corrected but I'm pretty sure this is the case.

And on the comfort debate, I've had some of my best long-haul and short-haul flights on the BA 767s over the years. Infinitely preferable to the short-haul narrowbodies or indeed a BA 777.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:32 pm

Only flown BA 763s twice, and both times kind of by accident.

My first TATL flight was supposed to be LHR-SFO on a BA 744 in July 97, but it was cancelled due to a Cabin Crew strike, and I was rerouted on a 763 from LGW to PIT, connecting on to a US 757 to SFO (I never did get that 763's registration).

Then, in October 2010, I wanted to catch a last flight on a BA 757, so booked a flight from MAD-LHR on the 23rd, unfortunately one of the last remaining 757s went tech, and my flight was 'upgraded' (though not in my eyes, given the purpose of the flight) to a 763, G-BZHB.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:59 pm

https://youtu.be/DLTZSNBDxiI

Fairly recent and interesting TR onboard the sole surviving long haul configured example also notice the load factor too which might give an indication as to why the BA branded ORY-EWR route is being dropped and replaced by Level on a much reduced frequency. Only flown a BA 767 once NCL-LHR in February 2001 turbulent flight complete with flap deployment problems on approach meaning a good while in the holding pattern.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:19 pm

With IAG seeing the capabilities of the 330 with EI and IB, I’m surprised that they haven’t turned up in the BA livery yet.


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Re: British Airways and the 767

Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:30 pm

ZuluTime wrote:
If I remember rightly, when BA ordered the 767 then the A-A-I-A exit arrangement was the only one available - I don't think the 767 configurations with Type III exits came along until a bit later in the 767 evolution. Happy to stand corrected but I'm pretty sure this is the case.

And on the comfort debate, I've had some of my best long-haul and short-haul flights on the BA 767s over the years. Infinitely preferable to the short-haul narrowbodies or indeed a BA 777.

It was the BA layout that came later. If you look at airlines that were early 763 customers they retained the 762 style exit layout - front and rear doors with overwing exits.

Someone with more knowledge might be able to give a better insight but BA went for the same layout on the 757. The benefit of A-A-I-A is that it allows boarding at door 2 and passengers can turn left or right. For BA with the 767 on shorthaul it meant the majority of Club Europe passengers could turn left (though on some flights it was back to door 3) whereas with their three class aircraft they could generally avoid Club and World Traveller passengers walking through First.
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:35 pm

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With IAG seeing the capabilities of the 330 with EI and IB, I’m surprised that they haven’t turned up in the BA livery yet.

But BA traditionally operates aircraft until end of life, particularly widebodies (the one exception being the TriStar). Hence the fact that they will be keeping their 772 fleet well into the 2020s, with roughly half the fleet getting a higher density layout in World Traveller (ten abreast) to compete with the likes of Norwegian. Bringing A330s into the BA fleet at this stage doesn't make sense, though I think that if the BA 767 fleet had been selected for the RAF's Transport/Tanker needs there was a good chance that the A332 would have joined the BA fleet as the 767 replacement at that time.

If BA had stuck with the TriStars a little longer into the 1990s I do wonder if BA might have gone for an A330/A340 mix to replace them on shorthaul and longhaul, although as it was the 767 has probably served BA better with the fact the aircraft could be relatively easily switched between roles.
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:07 pm

FlyCaledonian wrote:
BestWestern wrote:
With IAG seeing the capabilities of the 330 with EI and IB, I’m surprised that they haven’t turned up in the BA livery yet.

If BA had stuck with the TriStars a little longer into the 1990s I do wonder if BA might have gone for an A330/A340 mix to replace them on shorthaul and longhaul, although as it was the 767 has probably served BA better with the fact the aircraft could be relatively easily switched between roles.

If BA had delayed its orders for the 763 by a few years, I wonder if the timing would still have been right to go for A330s and A340s. At the time, BA was barely an Airbus customer with only a handful of A320s - inherited without great enthusiasm I believe - from its takeover of BCal. It was only in 1998 that BA finally placed its big order for the A320s.
 
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:55 am

gunnerman wrote:
FlyCaledonian wrote:
BestWestern wrote:
With IAG seeing the capabilities of the 330 with EI and IB, I’m surprised that they haven’t turned up in the BA livery yet.

If BA had stuck with the TriStars a little longer into the 1990s I do wonder if BA might have gone for an A330/A340 mix to replace them on shorthaul and longhaul, although as it was the 767 has probably served BA better with the fact the aircraft could be relatively easily switched between roles.

If BA had delayed its orders for the 763 by a few years, I wonder if the timing would still have been right to go for A330s and A340s. At the time, BA was barely an Airbus customer with only a handful of A320s - inherited without great enthusiasm I believe - from its takeover of BCal. It was only in 1998 that BA finally placed its big order for the A320s.


With Qatar offloading theirs, I can see IAG taking more of them for more than just EI and Level. They are perfect for three hour flying, although I suspect that easyJet may end up with them first.
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Re: British Airways and the 767

Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:04 am

EasyJet won't be acquiring any of the former Qatar Airways 330's I can assure you as the airline has far to much on it's hand without the hassle of having to implement wide bodies into their fleet where expansion will come with the incoming 320/321 neos.
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