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Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:45 am

If Airbus cancels the A380 program, woud it be any point for Airbus to start up the A340 program again ? How about an Airbus 340 with new effecient engines ?

If the A380 program is cancelled, Airbus will have no aircraft on offer over 440 max exit seating.
 
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:49 am

Doubtful

The A350-900 is a direct replacement of the A340-300
The A350-900R directly replaces the A340-500
The A350-1000 directly replaces the A340-600
 
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:51 am

I don't think so - I am not sure that having a VLA is anything other than a way of losing money at the moment. The sweet spot seems to be around the A359 size.
 
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:53 am

Pacific wrote:
Doubtful

The A350-900 is a direct replacement of the A340-300
The A350-900R directly replaces the A340-500
The A350-1000 directly replaces the A340-600


Yes, but apparently nonne of the a350 Versions has the same seating capacity as the largest Airbus 340. The max exit for the A340 is 475 passengers. The A350 only 440.

Boeing will have:

77W = 550 exit limit
779 = 475 exit limit
 
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:56 am

The could launch the A350-2000
 
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:06 pm

Despite the lower exit limit for the A350-1000, it still has more floor area than the A340-600.
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:15 pm

The A35K is exit limited, not volume limited. If more capacity is desired by airlines Airbus can add another door (which was actually briefly an option). But >440 pax is very rare, which is why Boeing dropped the overwings on the 779 to save some weight.
 
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:24 pm

100% definitely (At this present moment) NO. Quite simply, all the A340 wing jigs in the UK has been removed/destroyed. Unless they wish to attach a completely different wing, which will then result in a full flight test regime etc, etc
 
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:29 pm

It seems unlikely given that, as others have noted, demand for VLAs has dropped precipitously in favor of smaller, more fuel efficient aircraft and higher service frequencies. However, this approach has significant downsides when slot-restricted airports like London Heathrow are brought into the equation. Recently it was reported that Amsterdam Airport Schiphol is approaching its limit of 500,000 aircraft movements. The solution appears to be to ship low-cost carriers off to Lelystad, although this has run into opposition from airlines who would rather not be pushed out. If the literal number of aircraft movements is to be permanently restricted, then expansion can only be achieved by operating larger aircraft. Could this mean an upswing in the VLA market in years to come? Perhaps, or perhaps not - it's very hard to guess.

Airbus also abandoned the freighter version of the A380. For Boeing, the 747-8F is the only variant keeping the production line open. If Airbus abandons the A380 in the near future and demand for VLAs were to increase in the next few years, Boeing, by virtue of their continued freighter production, would be well-positioned to dominate that particular market. I can't imagine any such market really being big enough for both Airbus and Boeing. Probably not big enough to justify a new A340 production line if the A380 is abandoned.
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:31 pm

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100% definitely (At this present moment) NO. Quite simply, all the A340 wing jigs in the UK has been removed/destroyed. Unless they wish to attach a completely different wing, which will then result in a full flight test regime etc, etc


didn't Airbus switch over to a CNC controlled universal wingjig with the A340NG?
all else the A330 and A340 IMU came from the jig as both have the same wing. albeit with different plumbing.
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:44 pm

Airbus will re start the A340 when Boeing re starts the 757, and Lockheed re starts the L-1011: NEVER!
 
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:44 pm

If there was a need, say a new EU-wide Air Force needs 100, I'm sure they can work out the wing starting with the A330neo wing, however that's not likely to happen.
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:46 pm

WIederling wrote:
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100% definitely (At this present moment) NO. Quite simply, all the A340 wing jigs in the UK has been removed/destroyed. Unless they wish to attach a completely different wing, which will then result in a full flight test regime etc, etc


didn't Airbus switch over to a CNC controlled universal wingjig with the A340NG?
all else the A330 and A340 IMU came from the jig as both have the same wing. albeit with different plumbing.


I'll be honest, I'm not too sure. All I know is, I used to walk past A340 jigs, and they are no longer standing.
 
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:06 pm

No chance. Nobody would make a large enough order.
 
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:10 pm

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If there was a need, say a new EU-wide Air Force needs 100, I'm sure they can work out the wing starting with the A330neo wing, however that's not likely to happen.


Even in that case it is not likely for Airbus to work from A330neo wing because the different amount of engine would mean the need of differently balanced wing?
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:17 pm

Yes they will. About the same time that dinosaurs return to the planet.
 
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:33 pm

Who would buy them? The big twins can do the same job for less cost. Economics trumps nostalgia.
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:33 pm

The A340 is history. As said before, Airbus can put an additional door in the A350-1000 and/or build the A350-1100.
But the A380 is still alive and being built, so there is no need to bury it already.
 
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:38 pm

Mortyman wrote:
Pacific wrote:
Doubtful

The A350-900 is a direct replacement of the A340-300
The A350-900R directly replaces the A340-500
The A350-1000 directly replaces the A340-600


Yes, but apparently nonne of the a350 Versions has the same seating capacity as the largest Airbus 340. The max exit for the A340 is 475 passengers. The A350 only 440.

Boeing will have:

77W = 550 exit limit
779 = 475 exit limit


In other words, you are saying Airbus should spend several billion euros on re-engining the A340 just to offer 35 additional seats?

Airbus already has a solution for that: it can offer a 5th Type C exit door if an airline really wants it.

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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:45 pm

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If Airbus cancels the A380 program, woud it be any point for Airbus to start up the A340 program again? How about an Airbus 340 with new effecient engines ?


WOW! That's a surprising topic. I don't think A380 was a replacement of the A340. It was a step above.

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If the A380 program is cancelled, Airbus will have no aircraft on offer over 440 max exit seating.

It doesn't need more than that. A350 is in the sweet spot, just like A330 was (and still is). VERY few airlines need more seats than that, and the horrible sales of 777X is the proof of that. Airlines in their silliness prefer frequency over capacity. It's stupid, uneconomical, bad for the environment and, in the real world, makes no difference, but it's nigh on impossible to change the corporate mind.
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:51 pm

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Airlines in their silliness prefer frequency over capacity. It's stupid, uneconomical, bad for the environment and, in the real world, makes no difference, but it's nigh on impossible to change the corporate mind.


True, but it's what the customer wants (and gets)
 
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:05 pm

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Yes they will. About the same time that dinosaurs return to the planet.

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c933103 wrote:
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If there was a need, say a new EU-wide Air Force needs 100, I'm sure they can work out the wing starting with the A330neo wing, however that's not likely to happen.


Even in that case it is not likely for Airbus to work from A330neo wing because the different amount of engine would mean the need of differently balanced wing?


A330 and A340 (not NG!) wings used to be the same ( A330 even has the hardpoint preparations for the outer engines.
that made the tanker extra easy. Airbus said they have removed some A340 provisions now to save weight, compensation
for the larger wingtips and Trent7000 ...)
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:47 pm

Just a side note I want to add.

Are there even an operator that used up the full 475 seats capacity to begin with for A346? The answer is no.

QR has the highest density out of the remaining A346 operators at 372 seats. Even then, if they want to go high density on their A359/35X, they could have easily put that many seats on those also (Currently they have 327 seats on their A350-1000). IB is next with 346 seats. The rest of the operator (LH, SA, W5 (Mahan Air), and VS) has around 300-310 seats in their A346.

In fact, LH put 293 seats in their lower density A359, while their "high" density A346 has 297 seats. And A359 is definitely smaller than A346.

Quite frankly, I don't think there's any airline that come close to using the full capacity limit of any widebodies.
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:58 pm

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It doesn't need more than that. A350 is in the sweet spot, just like A330 was (and still is). VERY few airlines need more seats than that, and the horrible sales of 777X is the proof of that. Airlines in their silliness prefer frequency over capacity. It's stupid, uneconomical, bad for the environment and, in the real world, makes no difference, but it's nigh on impossible to change the corporate mind.


The 777X already has more firm orders than the A380. And it hasn't flown yet... you consider that horrible sales?

Back to the OP - no. 4 holers are dead. Airlines also figured out how to right size their operations - rather than flying a 475 seat aircraft with 445 people and 30 empty seats, they just carry 440 instead.. the loss of a handful of potential passengers is more than made up by the lower opex.
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:06 pm

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Quite frankly, I don't think there's any airline that come close to using the full capacity limit of any widebodies.


Cebu Pacific A330-300 436 1 Class
Lion Air A330-300 440 1 Class

A330-300 exit limit is 440.
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:07 pm

Mortyman wrote:
If Airbus cancels the A380 program, woud it be any point for Airbus to start up the A340 program again ? How about an Airbus 340 with new effecient engines ?

If the A380 program is cancelled, Airbus will have no aircraft on offer over 440 max exit seating.


Why? The demise of the A-380 will be due to the fact it is too big to fill. The A-340 went by the wayside because four engine planes are more expensive to fly, especially when twins are so capable. If Airbus phase out the A-380, it will go with twins as they sell.
 
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:13 pm

Antarius wrote:
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It doesn't need more than that. A350 is in the sweet spot, just like A330 was (and still is). VERY few airlines need more seats than that, and the horrible sales of 777X is the proof of that. Airlines in their silliness prefer frequency over capacity. It's stupid, uneconomical, bad for the environment and, in the real world, makes no difference, but it's nigh on impossible to change the corporate mind.


The 777X already has more firm orders than the A380. And it hasn't flown yet... you consider that horrible sales?

Back to the OP - no. 4 holers are dead. Airlines also figured out how to right size their operations - rather than flying a 475 seat aircraft with 445 people and 30 empty seats, they just carry 440 instead.. the loss of a handful of potential passengers is more than made up by the lower opex.


To be fair, 70% of 777X order are from ME3. The sales figure is nothing to write home about. The thing that affect 777X order is the fact that most airlines that need that capacity already has tons of 77W's, and most of them are relatively young and nowhere closed to being replaced. Those that doesn't seems to want 77W's for long-haul (DL is the only I can think of) already order A350s.

As for the second part - there's just nobody operating A346 anywhere close to 475 pax (or even 440 pax) to begin with, so the whole capacity argument is moot.

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Quite frankly, I don't think there's any airline that come close to using the full capacity limit of any widebodies.


Cebu Pacific A330-300 436 1 Class
Lion Air A330-300 440 1 Class

A330-300 exit limit is 440.


Oops...I totally forgot about them. Thanks for the correction. I only checked AirAsia X and didn't remember about the 3 Lion Air A333 or the originator of 3-3-3 A333 in Cebu Pacific :rotfl:
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:25 pm

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If the A380 program is cancelled, Airbus will have no aircraft on offer over 440 max exit seating.


They don't need to. The A350 is big enough, there's very little market for aircraft bigger than that. Actually you may say the A340-600 was already too big.
 
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:56 pm

They would rather bolt redesigned wings with one engine each to the fuselage of a overstretched 330... oh, wait, that's a 350-1200.

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I wish I had the Photoshop skills to draw a dinosaur in a primordial forest looking up at a A340-600 passing by overhead...


Why photoshop? Here, an actual photograph of an actual dinosaur flying on an actual 346:

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Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:12 pm

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zakuivcustom wrote:
Antarius wrote:

The 777X already has more firm orders than the A380. And it hasn't flown yet... you consider that horrible sales?

Back to the OP - no. 4 holers are dead. Airlines also figured out how to right size their operations - rather than flying a 475 seat aircraft with 445 people and 30 empty seats, they just carry 440 instead.. the loss of a handful of potential passengers is more than made up by the lower opex.


To be fair, 70% of 777X order are from ME3. The sales figure is nothing to write home about. The thing that affect 777X order is the fact that most airlines that need that capacity already has tons of 77W's, and most of them are relatively young and nowhere closed to being replaced. Those that doesn't seems to want 77W's for long-haul (DL is the only I can think of) already order A350s.



And what percentage of a380 orders are ME3? 90% :lol:

Orders from ME3 are still orders LOL

At some point in the future VLA may come in to fashion again, but as much as some enthusiasts here may hate it :hissyfit: the sweet spot of 330/350/777 is the current upper limit on viable commercial aircraft size.
 
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To be fair, 70% of 777X order are from ME3.

You say that like it's a bad idea to try to sell your widebody into the biggest widebody market in the world.

The ME3 want them the most, so they're first in line.

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They would rather bolt redesigned wings with one engine each to the fuselage of a overstretched 330... oh, wait, that's a 350-1200.

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Yes they will. About the same time that dinosaurs return to the planet.

I wish I had the Photoshop skills to draw a dinosaur in a primordial forest looking up at a A340-600 passing by overhead...


Why photoshop? Here, an actual photograph of an actual dinosaur flying on an actual 346:

http://hcvvorld.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... 24x678.jpg


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That's quite a stretch.


Could be. GummiAdler.:-)
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Airbus will re start the A340 when Boeing re starts the 757, and Lockheed re starts the L-1011: NEVER!


Right. And when Boeing will reopen a plant down in Long Beach CA to make an MD-11MAX, and when Ilyushin will re start the IL-96.
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I wish I had the Photoshop skills to draw a dinosaur in a primordial forest looking up at a A340-600 passing by overhead...


Not quite a primordial forest, but not bad, I think.
 
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To be fair, 70% of 777X order are from ME3. The sales figure is nothing to write home about. The thing that affect 777X order is the fact that most airlines that need that capacity already has tons of 77W's, and most of them are relatively young and nowhere closed to being replaced. Those that doesn't seems to want 77W's for long-haul (DL is the only I can think of) already order A350s.


True, but it is still an order. I just was pointing out that calling > 300 firm orders on an aircraft that hasn't flown yet as "horrible sales" is just patently false.The 77Ws are young and oil prices are low, so demand for a replacement is cooler than it was 3 years ago, that is true as well.

If the production line of the 777X ends with 350 produced, then yes, it would be a failure. Right now, it is premature to deem anything as such.
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IF Airbus want to build even bigger they’d go for a twin. The market is well out of love with quads.
 
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I wish I had the Photoshop skills to draw a dinosaur in a primordial forest looking up at a A340-600 passing by overhead...


Not quite a primordial forest, but not bad, I think.

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zakuivcustom wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:


To be fair, 70% of 777X order are from ME3. The sales figure is nothing to write home about. The thing that affect 777X order is the fact that most airlines that need that capacity already has tons of 77W's, and most of them are relatively young and nowhere closed to being replaced. Those that doesn't seems to want 77W's for long-haul (DL is the only I can think of) already order A350s.



And what percentage of a380 orders are ME3? 90% :lol:

Orders from ME3 are still orders LOL

At some point in the future VLA may come in to fashion again, but as much as some enthusiasts here may hate it :hissyfit: the sweet spot of 330/350/777 is the current upper limit on viable commercial aircraft size.


To be fair again, A380 is certainly not all that successful commercially either :rotfl: my whole point initially is that the sales figure can look "horrible" just bc the number of customers ordering the plane so far is tiny. US3? Zero order (but tons of A359 coming in). CN3? Zero order (and tons of A359 going in also). EU4? Only LH has some on order. Throw in JL, BR, CI, SQ, TG, MH, QF, TK or even SA and GA or LA/JJ and AV. You can easily make an argument of why 777X sales are "horrible".

But do I think more orders would come once 777X begin to roll out? Definitely.

P.S. I did get way off topic. Either way, BER not getting delay another 2 years is more likely than A340neo.
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:22 pm

First, we must consider market size for an aircraft larger than the A350-1000. We do not need to guess, we've seen how well the 748 and A388 sold. That alone tells us there is a market large enough for one aircraft type (everyone should recall half the 744s were sold for range).

So would a re-engined A340 our optimize the 779? I don't see how. The A340 would require new CFRP or GFRP wings. A muli-billion dollar investment. The current narrow body engines (LEAP/PW1100G) compromise fuel burn for cycle life. They could be improved (e.g., add a 2nd Turbine clearance control valve, add to the casing optical sensors for better TCCV control) relatively cheaply, but no one would design a new engine to be the late entrant into the market. The A340NEO would be heavier than the 779 per passenger and that creates performance issues.

As much as people complain about 10-Y in the 777 (it will be better in the 777X thanks to insulation thinning), the A340 must increase to 9-across Y. I see no economical way to do that where it wouldn't be cheaper to do a new wing, new gear, and improved engines on a A350-2000.

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The A35K is exit limited, not volume limited. If more capacity is desired by airlines Airbus can add another door (which was actually briefly an option). But >440 pax is very rare, which is why Boeing dropped the overwings on the 779 to save some weight.

That would be the option for a high density configuration. Heck, I expect a few more exits to be offered for the 777X (overwing? Eh, I haven't looked into the trade study of what would be optimal). It really isn't hard to add those to the window belt and the FAA has fixed values they assign for the added capacity for the zone (no evacuation test with the known injuries required).


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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:36 pm

Right, the A380 isn't getting any orders, so let's go back to a less capable and less efficient model, that should help. While we're at it, might as well restart DC-3 production, the market could use another rugged prop plane.

Seriously, these threads are getting ridiculous.
 
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:55 pm

exFWAOONW wrote:
Why photoshop? Here, an actual photograph of an actual dinosaur flying on an actual 346:

http://hcvvorld.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... 24x678.jpg


David
That's quite a stretch.[/quote]

Chicken belong to the birds, and all birds are descendants of dinosaurs. Ergo, this picture shows a dinosaur flying on a 346. :old:

33lspotter wrote:
Not quite a primordial forest, but not bad, I think.


Great, now I'm pleased too!


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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:25 pm

RamblinMan wrote:
Right, the A380 isn't getting any orders, so let's go back to a less capable and less efficient model, that should help. While we're at it, might as well restart DC-3 production, the market could use another rugged prop plane.

Seriously, these threads are getting ridiculous.


Meh...don't have to go back that far. We just need someone to buy back the Douglas brand name from Boeing, and restart the MD-12 program.

P.S. Counting down as to when this thread get closed. And I thought the 757 threads were bad enough.
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Mortyman
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:01 pm

RamblinMan wrote:
Right, the A380 isn't getting any orders, so let's go back to a less capable and less efficient model, that should help. While we're at it, might as well restart DC-3 production, the market could use another rugged prop plane.

Seriously, these threads are getting ridiculous.



Needless to say it would have to be an improved version with new and improved engines, something I made clear in my original post.

I honestly don't think it's a silly question. Airbus will have less options than Boeing in providing something over 440 passenger range. Wether that is interesting and a problem or not is a different question.
 
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:27 pm

I think we'll see the 767 coming back (see the related thread) before the A340
 
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:32 pm

They can add a hump on the front of the A346 to put capacity somewhere between the A350-1000 and A380. :biggrin:
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DocLightning
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:48 pm

Mortyman wrote:
Boeing will have:

77W = 550 exit limit
779 = 475 exit limit


Respectfully, did you get that backwards? How does the 779 have *LOWER* capacity than the smaller 77W?
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Re: Would Airbus start up the A340 program again ?

Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:49 pm

Can we add this to the million 757 threads?

Hey will they build a new Wright Flyer too?

These threads are a waste of bandwidth.

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