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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:20 pm

Some more context on the use of an Alaska Native face:

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/article ... 016/01/25/
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:50 pm

LAXPAX wrote:
because art is subjective and more open to interpretation by every individual that views it.


That's fair. I grew up in Alaska and have many friends who are Alaska Natives, so I think that Chester and the AS livery are a good representation of AS' heritage.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:51 pm

LAXPAX wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
LAXPAX wrote:
So, all of those airlines' liveries would be more interesting if they each just had a gigantic face on them? I guess B6 should have a close-up of a jaded beat-up New Yorker, and WN can have a sunburned impoverished rancher, and F9 can have a stoner with blonde dreadlocks!

I mean quite aside from the fact that "Chester" reduces an entire people to a commercialized iconograph (which just smacks of good ol' paternalism), it's also just plain weird, and not in a fun way. But I realize that bad liveries can happen to good airlines!


To each his own. Do you hate Pualani as much as you hate Chester? Oh...and seven years on a.net and very familiar with the various 'types' on here.


I know I've been kind of "taking the piss out" of AS, as they say, but your question deserves a serious answer, which is...I don't know. I would like to think I'm not hypocritical (wouldn't we all!). The best I can say is that HA's logo is stylized and more abstract (especially in the latest version). I think if AS' logo were similarly more abstract and artistic, then it probably wouldn't bug me as much; mainly because art is subjective and more open to interpretation by every individual that views it.

But it's hard for me to know for sure...all I can confess is that AS' livery has always given me a funny vibe, going all the way back to when I first became aware of it decades ago. This is obviously no reflection on the operation, service, or passenger experience of that airline.


I think they're both pretty 'abstract' and purposely not an identifiable person or they'd have gotten sued long ago. I think someone mentioned earlier, AS attempted to move to a generic, boring, abstract 'mountain' on the tail years ago. Their customers had a fit when it got out and the Alaska state legislature even chimed in. I'm glad they listened...and they haven't tried since.
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:28 pm

[quote="hiflyeras"][quote="LAXPAX"][quote="hiflyeras"]

The best I can say is that HA's logo is stylized and more abstract (especially in the latest version). I think if AS' logo were similarly more abstract and artistic, then it probably wouldn't bug me as much; mainly because art is subjective and more open to interpretation by every individual that views it.

I think they're both pretty 'abstract' and purposely not an identifiable person or they'd have gotten sued long ago.

Meet Leina'ala Teruya Drummond and Chester Seveck:

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http://imagesofoldhawaii.com/pualani-flower-of-the-sky/

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https://blog.alaskaair.com/alaska-airlines/who-is-the-eskimo

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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:01 pm

TreyClarkPowell wrote:
QXAS wrote:
LAXPAX wrote:
Nobody is talking about the real issue, which is that AS has a frickin' old dude as their livery.

Nobody is talking about it because it’s not an issue. While a few people may not like it, it certainly does not contribute negatively to the branding as a whole. A while back Alaska considered replacing it to become less Alaskan, and the base freaked out. Chester is here to stay. Their livery is arguably superior to any US airline not named Hawaiian. Replace Chester with an abstract shape, that’s no longer the case.


Completely agree. I mean, look at what the other US carriers are currently doing.

AA: Abstract of the American Flag that looks like a design committee compromise.

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UA: Adopted what was already a 20 year old livery (now 27 years old) of an airline that they merged with.

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DL: Yeah, the widget has been their thing for almost 60 years, but this iteration of it is just kind of "meh."

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WN: Shapes and colors. A 1st grader could have designed this tail.

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B6 and F9: these airlines do not use consistent designs on their tails, some of the B6 tails look cool, I'll give them that much, but the F9 tails just scream "stock photos."

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NK: currently has three completely different liveries running around (none of which are good looking)

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G4: Was probably designed using Microsoft Paint.

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My boy Chester? He's got class.

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Completely agree that AS has the best looking livery of any US airline. No need to change any branding.

AA is second best. It’s growing on me.

I’d rate PSA and Air California’s original Sunjet livery among the all time best.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:05 pm

That's actually Oliver Amouak in the photo above, but Chester Seveck is also someone who is consistently mentioned as being "The Eskimo." Having said that, I think the most appropriate quote comes from Perry Eaton of Anchorage:

"Everybody in Alaska knows who’s on the tail – they just can’t agree."
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:12 am

Frontier, through its original ad agency who came up with the launch logo (scripted Frontier) and 'The Spirit of the West' tagline, paid regional photographers for their photos to use on the tails. I recall the amount not being a whole heck of a lot. But you're right the new tails under Indigo look stock-like or even sometimes drawn. All about $$$$ and spending as little of it as possible.

MesserJ wrote:
TreyClarkPowell wrote:
the F9 tails just scream "stock photos."

Very true, but not only that, the tails tend to look really bad up close except for brand new deliveries. The decals are all crusty, peeling away, and some are patched or have sections missing. Also NK's previous livery wasn't terrible, but it looks like a tube of toothpaste.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:53 pm

Alaska A320 N363VA ferried from SFO to VCV yesterday for repainting into Alaska livery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N363VA
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:45 pm

I wonder if Alaska is going to do any special liveries on the A319/A320 fleet (note Im aware of the neo..)
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:28 pm

n7371f wrote:
Frontier, through its original ad agency who came up with the launch logo (scripted Frontier) and 'The Spirit of the West' tagline, paid regional photographers for their photos to use on the tails. I recall the amount not being a whole heck of a lot. But you're right the new tails under Indigo look stock-like or even sometimes drawn. All about $$$$ and spending as little of it as possible.

MesserJ wrote:
TreyClarkPowell wrote:
the F9 tails just scream "stock photos."

Very true, but not only that, the tails tend to look really bad up close except for brand new deliveries. The decals are all crusty, peeling away, and some are patched or have sections missing. Also NK's previous livery wasn't terrible, but it looks like a tube of toothpaste.


I'm actually going to disagree with you regarding the new F9 tails under Indigo. I think they look much better compared to the actual photos since they all have the same theme (an animal above the clouds) and have found that these birds are easier to upkeep compared to the photos on the tails, many of which on the A319 fleet look very worn out. But to each their own.
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:30 pm

Alaska A320 N626VA ferried from SFO to VCV yesterday for repainting into Alaska livery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N626VA
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:19 pm

N854VA (VX name "Stand Up Flyer") and N636VA (VX name "Airplane 2.0") are both now out of the paint shop.

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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:18 pm

Alaska A320 N847VA ferried from SFO to VCV yesterday for repainting into Alaska livery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N847VA
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:46 pm

I don't know if any one ask this yet, but what is the timeline for the A319 to go through the repainting process. Also so far isn't this like the 9th or 10th plane to be repainted.
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:21 pm

Narfish641 wrote:
I don't know if any one ask this yet, but what is the timeline for the A319 to go through the repainting process. Also so far isn't this like the 9th or 10th plane to be repainted.


The A320s are being done first since they’re the largest sub-fleet. The A319s and remaining A321s will be done last.
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:12 pm

Is it me or is this reprinting going really fast? Damn... go Alaska, go!! Also, I know the interior mods are going on elsewhere at a different time. However, did I hear that they've already changed the mood lighting on the ex-VX planes to all Blue? It looks
Like it on the pics above.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:24 pm

Tried to clean this up a little. Apologies for errors.
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New AS Fleet (137/306)

A319 (0/10)
null

A320 (10/53)
N363VA - sky surfer
N621VA - air colbert
N625VA - jefferson airplane
N626VA - unicorn chaser
N634VA - Mach Daddy
N636VA - Airplane 2.0
N835VA - Arnold
N844VA - Sol Plane
N847VA - scarlett o'air
N854VA - Stand Up Flyer

A321 (3/8)
N926VA - Most West Coast
N927VA - Most West Coast
N928VA

B737-700 (9/11)
N609AS
N611AS
N613AS
N614AS
N615AS
N618AS
N619AS
N622AS
N644AS

B737-700F (3/3)
N625AS - New Cargo scheme
N626AS - New Cargo scheme
N627AS - New Cargo scheme

B737-800 (37/61)
N506AS
N508AS
N568AS - New, former employee powered
N569AS - New, former 75th Anniversary
N513AS
N514AS
N516AS
N517AS
N525AS
N533AS
N534AS
N549AS
N551AS
N552AS
N553AS
N556AS
N558AS
N562AS
N563AS
N565AS
N566AS
N577AS
N579AS
N581AS
N583AS
N584AS
N585AS
N586AS
N587AS
N588AS
N589AS
N590AS
N592AS
N593AS
N594AS
N596AS
N597AS

B737-900 (4/12)
N306AS
N315AS
N317AS
N323AS

B737-900ER (34/65)
N224AK
N236AK
N237AK
N238AK
N247AK
N248AK-Boeing 100 Years strong
N251AK
N253AK
N260AK
N263AK
N264AK
N265AK-Honoring Those Who Serve
N266AK
N267AK
N268AK
N270AK
N272AK
N273AK
N274AK
N275AK
N277AK
N278AK
N280AK
N281AK
N282AK
N283AK
N284AK
N428AS
N434AS
N448AS
N453AS - Go Russell
N493AS - More to Love
N494AS
N495AS

E175 (33/33)
N170SY
N171SY
N173SY
N174SY
N175SY
N176SY
N177SY
N178SY
N179SY
N181SY
N182SY
N183SY
N184SY
N185SY
N186SY
N187SY
N188SY
N189SY
N191SY
N192SY
N193SY
N194SY
N195SY
N620QX
N622QX
N623QX
N624QX
N625QX
N626QX
N627QX
N628QX
N629QX
N630QX

Q400 6/50
N427QX
N436QX
N439QX
N445QX
N446QX
N447QX

VX Fleet

A319
N521VA
N522VA
N523VA
N524VA
N525VA
N526VA
N527VA
N528VA
N529VA
N530VA

A320
N281VA
N282VA
N283VA
N284VA
N285VA
N286VA
N361VA
N362VA
N363VA
N364VA
N365VA
N621VA
N622VA
N623VA
N624VA
N626VA
N627VA
N628VA
N629VA
N630VA
N631VA
N632VA
N633VA
N634VA
N635VA
N636VA
N637VA
N638VA
N639VA
N640VA
N641VA
N642VA
N835VA
N836VA
N837VA
N838VA
N839VA
N840VA
N841VA
N842VA
N843VA
N844VA
N845VA
N846VA
N847VA
N848VA
N849VA
N851VA
N852VA
N853VA
N854VA
N855VA

A321neo
N921VA - neo kid on the block
N922VA - francis
N923VA - 3-2-1 Liftoff!
N924VA - SF Giants
N925VA - Most West Coast

Old/Interim/Other AS

Boeing 737-700
N607AS - Timbers
N612AS - Interim

Boeing 737-800
N512AS - Boeing House
N518AS - Lei
N519AS - Lei
N520AS - Old
N523AS - Old
N524AS - Old
N526AS - Old
N527AS - Old
N528AS - Old
N529AS - Lei
N530AS - Old
N531AS - Lei
N532AS - Lei
N535AS - Lei
N536AS - Lei
N537AS - Lei
N538AS - Lei
N546AS - Old
N548AS - Old, former alaskaair.com
N557AS - Lei
N559AS - Salmon
N560AS - Spirit of the Islands
N564AS - Mariners 40th Anniversary
N570AS - The Adventure of Disneyland Resort (Cars theme)

Boeing 737-900
N302AS - Old
N303AS - Old
N305AS - Old
N307AS - Interim
N309AS - Old
N318AS - Spirit of Disneyland
N319AS - Old
N320AS - Old

Boeing 737-900ER
N285AK-Not Delivered
N402AS - Old
N403AS - Old
N407AS - Old
N408AS - Old
N409AS - Old
N413AS - Old
N419AS - Old
N423AS - Old
N431AS - Old
N433AS - Old
N435AS - Old
N440AS - Old
N442AS - Old
N457AS - Old
N459AS - Old
N461AS - Old
N462AS - Old
N464AS - Old
N467AS - Old
N468AS - Old
N469AS - Old
N471AS - Old
N472AS - Old
N474AS - Old
N477AS - Interim
N478AS - Interim
N479AS - Interim
N481AS - Interim
N483AS - Interim
N486AS - Interim
N487AS - Interim
N491AS - Interim
N492AS - Interim

Bombardier Q400
N400QX - University of Idaho
N401QX - Washington State University
N402QX - University of Montana
N403QX - Montana State University
N404QX
N405QX
N406QX
N407QX - University of Oregon
N408QX
N409QX
N410QX
N411QX
N412QX
N413QX
N414QX - San Diego State University
N415QX
N416QX
N417QX
N420QX
N421QX
N422QX
N423QX
N426QX
N428QX
N429QX
N430QX
N431QX
N432QX
N433QX
N434MK
N435QX - University of Washington
N437QX - Boise State University
N438QX
N440QX - Oregon State University
N441QX - University of Alaska, Fairbanks
N442QX
N443QX - University of Alaska, Anchorage
N444QX
N448QX
N449QX
N450QX
N451QX
N452QX
N453QX
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:47 am

We're up to 635QX on the E175s now I think, and there's closer to 10 or 11 Q400s painted at the moment. The OO E175s are at 405SY
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:03 am

Not sure if this has been posted yet but here's a cool blog with Alaska fleet info that seems pretty reliable. While this was kept up to date consistently over the summer, it hasn't been updated since August 27.
https://alaskafleetstatus.weebly.com/
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:02 am

NickLAX wrote:
Just flew N637VA yesterday SEA-SNA - was amazed at how terrible the interior has been maintained by VA. Seats with issues, divider between First and Main/Premium was scratched terribly. Lavs looked like a 20 year old ex America West bird with half of the restroom panels loose or taped down in one of the lavs - sinks thoroughly discolored/stained. Hope AS re-do the lavs and not just the seats. In the 25+ years of seeing terrible maintained interiors this was right near the top. Was VA farming this out to someone only on higher checks as it looked like nothing was done between checks at all.

I know B6 has issues like this - but these looked much worse on VA.


For what its worth, Once the acquisition was announced it was AS who decided to start lapsing on fixing certain things. I have seen light panels in the cabin that go some time without being changed. Lots of black aviation tape to cover up cracks/broken arm rests etc. Not trying to throw shade at AS because I know from their point of view a new cabin will be installed eventually so they probably don't feel the need maintain things that don't ground the plane. As long as its legal and safe to fly they will put it on routes. Unfortunately while the Virgin logo is on the tail it will look like VX was the one not maintaining these birds.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:42 pm

Alaska A320 N631VA ferried from VCV to SFO yesterday in fresh Alaska livery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N631VA
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:23 pm

Alaska A320 N365VA ferried from SFO to VCV an hour ago for repainting into Alaska livery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N365VA
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:49 pm

Alaska A320 N638VA ferried from VCV to SFO yesterday in fresh Alaska livery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N638VA
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:18 pm

SocalApproach wrote:
For what its worth, Once the acquisition was announced it was AS who decided to start lapsing on fixing certain things. I have seen light panels in the cabin that go some time without being changed. Lots of black aviation tape to cover up cracks/broken arm rests etc. Not trying to throw shade at AS because I know from their point of view a new cabin will be installed eventually so they probably don't feel the need maintain things that don't ground the plane. As long as its legal and safe to fly they will put it on routes. Unfortunately while the Virgin logo is on the tail it will look like VX was the one not maintaining these birds.


I don't think you can pin this all on Alaska....VX knew they'd been sold and why spend money on cosmetic issues between then and the new owner taking over? Many VX interiors were a good 10 years old and likely in need of maintenance. AS mechanics have been busy dealing with P&W engine issues and getting up to speed on the fleet. Yeah, it looks bad but I'd rather know the engines are being properly maintained. Another year or so and they'll have brand-spanking new interiors.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:32 pm

apologize if its in here but 9 pages is alot. Are they changing out the interiors to Alaska style or not yet?
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:32 pm

seabosdca wrote:
Some more context on the use of an Alaska Native face:

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/article ... 016/01/25/

I was looking forward to read it, but alas...

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Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:46 pm

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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:53 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
apologize if its in here but 9 pages is alot. Are they changing out the interiors to Alaska style or not yet?


Yes, AS is retrofitting the former VX Airbus aircraft into the Alaska style. The Airbus aircraft will remain in the fleet for the foreseeable future.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:19 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
apologize if its in here but 9 pages is alot. Are they changing out the interiors to Alaska style or not yet?


Yes the first one is being done this month.
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:39 pm

EA CO AS, will the Max 9 introduce the "new" Alaska FULL interior? or will we see it first on the Airbii?
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:46 pm

I think the removal of seatback IFE is extremely stupid and actually offensive to the passenger, though there are probably those who disagree with me (mainly those who have previously encountered UA's DirecTV system that basically represents what seatback IFE is NOT meant to be).

I believe that the removal of seatback IFE is going to scare away a lot of people. Seriously, who wouldn't want seatback IFE if it was available? Wouldn't it be better to fly the more premium VX birds on the more premium routes, and just leave the cabin as is? Sure, it will create some inconsistency, but most airlines do in fact have mixed fleets.

And also, I plan my flights to avoid regional jets as much as possible, so if AS is the only carrier that offers a mainline jet on a route, I'll gladly fly them.
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:52 pm

FlightLevel360 wrote:
I think the removal of seatback IFE is extremely stupid and actually offensive to the passenger, though there are probably those who disagree with me (mainly those who have previously encountered UA's DirecTV system that basically represents what seatback IFE is NOT meant to be).


I'd rather watch my own iPad than some crappy poor resolution built-in screen. I can watch movies I've loaded or the free streaming movies and don't have to dick around with a clunky user interface. The ONLY thing I miss is the 'moving map' but I don't think it'll be long before they're able to include that with the streamed offerings. Hell, put in a few 4k cameras on the nose, tail and belly and you'll have an A380-style view! ;)
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:22 pm

FlightLevel360 wrote:
I believe that the removal of seatback IFE is going to scare away a lot of people. Seriously, who wouldn't want seatback IFE if it was available? Wouldn't it be better to fly the more premium VX birds on the more premium routes, and just leave the cabin as is? Sure, it will create some inconsistency, but most airlines do in fact have mixed fleets.


A very few people might defect to Delta. Their loss will be more than made up from the reduced weight and maintenance expense. Seriously, almost no one books a domestic flight on the basis of whether there's a screen in the seat or not. That's why AA never moved to them and UA isn't getting any more. Only Delta sticks with the idea.

The VX aircraft are a poor fit for premium routes because they only have 8 F seats, while AS 739s and 738s have twice that number. On a route like SEA-DCA every passenger in F will often be paid. Also, the 739ERs in particular have much better fuel burn per passenger than a VX A320 on a long route. The A321neos do much better on that metric but there are only eight of them. Together, those are the reasons why the A320s are mostly moving to West Coast flying, effectively replacing the retired 737-400s.

And also, I plan my flights to avoid regional jets as much as possible, so if AS is the only carrier that offers a mainline jet on a route, I'll gladly fly them.


Would your head explode if faced with the choice between an AC CRJ with seatback IFE and an AS mainline aircraft without it?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:13 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
SocalApproach wrote:
For what its worth, Once the acquisition was announced it was AS who decided to start lapsing on fixing certain things. I have seen light panels in the cabin that go some time without being changed. Lots of black aviation tape to cover up cracks/broken arm rests etc. Not trying to throw shade at AS because I know from their point of view a new cabin will be installed eventually so they probably don't feel the need maintain things that don't ground the plane. As long as its legal and safe to fly they will put it on routes. Unfortunately while the Virgin logo is on the tail it will look like VX was the one not maintaining these birds.


I don't think you can pin this all on Alaska....VX knew they'd been sold and why spend money on cosmetic issues between then and the new owner taking over? Many VX interiors were a good 10 years old and likely in need of maintenance. AS mechanics have been busy dealing with P&W engine issues and getting up to speed on the fleet. Yeah, it looks bad but I'd rather know the engines are being properly maintained. Another year or so and they'll have brand-spanking new interiors.

What P&W engine issues? AFAIK, all the VX A321neos have CFM.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:15 am

seabosdca wrote:
FlightLevel360 wrote:
I believe that the removal of seatback IFE is going to scare away a lot of people. Seriously, who wouldn't want seatback IFE if it was available? Wouldn't it be better to fly the more premium VX birds on the more premium routes, and just leave the cabin as is? Sure, it will create some inconsistency, but most airlines do in fact have mixed fleets.


A very few people might defect to Delta. Their loss will be more than made up from the reduced weight and maintenance expense. Seriously, almost no one books a domestic flight on the basis of whether there's a screen in the seat or not. That's why AA never moved to them and UA isn't getting any more. Only Delta sticks with the idea.

The VX aircraft are a poor fit for premium routes because they only have 8 F seats, while AS 739s and 738s have twice that number. On a route like SEA-DCA every passenger in F will often be paid. Also, the 739ERs in particular have much better fuel burn per passenger than a VX A320 on a long route. The A321neos do much better on that metric but there are only eight of them. Together, those are the reasons why the A320s are mostly moving to West Coast flying, effectively replacing the retired 737-400s.

And also, I plan my flights to avoid regional jets as much as possible, so if AS is the only carrier that offers a mainline jet on a route, I'll gladly fly them.


Would your head explode if faced with the choice between an AC CRJ with seatback IFE and an AS mainline aircraft without it?


I live near a major DL hub, so I have no trouble flying often with them. That being said, United also has a hub near where I live, but the majority of flights I take with them are 2.5 hours or less in duration, and for me seatback screens are not necessary for flights of this length.

I never knew AC had CRJs with IFE! That must be a first!

I do remember United running 737-900ERs on transcontinental routes for a while. What were the fuel burn metrics compared to the current 752 fleet and 777s?
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:16 am

Also, if AS really likes their 321Ns, they should pick up the 5 Primera ones. Same engine type, should be able to fit into the fleet seamlessly
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:00 am

Considering airlines are unbundling everything in part because a vast majority of people care about nothing else but price, I think Alaska made a smart financial decision. The main weakness is their premium transcon, but it is debatable how that will impact them long term.

I was on a full SFO-LAX Airbus flight this weekend and I saw one person actually watching the seatback IFE in my line of sight. Yes, this is an hour flight, I understand that. With the exception of transcons, most flights barely can fit in one movie. I became annoyed with Alaska and the changes early this year and switched to Delta and gained Silver status. I went back to Alaska. Seatback IFE was really low on my list of priorities, it isn't a reason I would choose to fly someone domestically. Quick check-in, web bag check, straight forward upgrade process, and mostly friendly CSAs brought me back to Alaska. Delta is good, nothing wrong with them for the most part except for some occasionally surly CSAs and painfully old IFE. Broader point - few are specifically looking for seatback IFEs.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:07 am

NeBaNi wrote:
What P&W engine issues? AFAIK, all the VX A321neos have CFM.


Typo and too late to edit...sorry!!
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:29 am

EA CO AS wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
apologize if its in here but 9 pages is alot. Are they changing out the interiors to Alaska style or not yet?


Yes the first one is being done this month.


EA CO AS, do you know what the rate of conversions will be? Also, will there be a priority to convert ones inside that have already been done outside, or not really? (It'd be a bit funny to have a VX exterior and an AS interior.....
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:08 am

TreyClarkPowell wrote:

...look at what the other US carriers are currently doing.

AA: Abstract of the American Flag that looks like a design committee compromise.

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UA: Adopted what was already a 20 year old livery (now 27 years old) of an airline that they merged with.

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DL: Yeah, the widget has been their thing for almost 60 years, but this iteration of it is just kind of "meh."

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WN: Shapes and colors. A 1st grader could have designed this tail.

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B6 and F9: these airlines do not use consistent designs on their tails, some of the B6 tails look cool, I'll give them that much, but the F9 tails just scream "stock photos."

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NK: currently has three completely different liveries running around (none of which are good looking)

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G4: Was probably designed using Microsoft Paint.

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My boy Chester? He's got class.

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AA — someone else said this and I agree... it looks like a screaming redneck, especially outside of the US. The flat battleship gray is awful. A metallic or pearlized gray would have been better

UA — cheap, cheesy and bland

DL — have never been a fan of this iteration of the widget. The 3-D look is not executed well in most applications. I like the all red however and think they should have made the lower portion dark red and the upper portion lighter red. The partial widget on the tail is a design concept from the 1980’s — e.g., partial GE meatball on service vans. The blue belly is all wrong and makes the aircraft, regardless of type, look dumpy

WN — they need to bring back orange onto the livery. Drop the heart; it’s too gimmicky

B6 — looks sharp

AS — looks sharp

HA — looks sharp

NK — looks like the pathetic airline it is, so the livery is appropriate
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:18 am

USAirKid wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
apologize if its in here but 9 pages is alot. Are they changing out the interiors to Alaska style or not yet?


Yes the first one is being done this month.


EA CO AS, do you know what the rate of conversions will be? Also, will there be a priority to convert ones inside that have already been done outside, or not really? (It'd be a bit funny to have a VX exterior and an AS interior.....


Oddly enough, I think the first one in GSO right now has a red tail..

*edit* yes, it has the VX livery
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:23 am

452QX wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:

Yes the first one is being done this month.


EA CO AS, do you know what the rate of conversions will be? Also, will there be a priority to convert ones inside that have already been done outside, or not really? (It'd be a bit funny to have a VX exterior and an AS interior.....


Oddly enough, I think the first one in GSO right now has a red tail..


Is this a sunburnt Chester special livery that I missed? Or is it an Chester is angry at being being on something other than a Boeing livery? :duck:

Edit: I wrote this before you edited to confirm it was the VX livery. :spin:
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:17 pm

Alaska A320 N851VA is en route from SFO to VCV for repainting into Alaska livery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N851VA
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:58 pm

Alaska A320 N846VA is en route from VCV to SFO in fresh Alaska livery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N846VA
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:59 pm

Alaska A320 N362VA ferried from SFO to VCV today for repainting into Alaska livery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N362VA
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:01 pm

Alaska A320 N365VA ferried from VCV to SFO today in fresh Alaska livery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N365VA
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:28 pm

Alaska A320 N622VA ferried from SFO to VCV today for repainting into Alaska livery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N622VA
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:06 am

Alaska A320 N851VA ferried from VCV to SFO today in fresh Alaska livery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N851VA
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:33 pm

Alaska A320 N624VA is en route from SFO to VCV for repainting into Alaska livery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N624VA
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines starts repainting Airbus fleet

Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:48 pm

TreyClarkPowell wrote:
N854VA (VX name "Stand Up Flyer") and N636VA (VX name "Airplane 2.0") are both now out of the paint shop.

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USAirKid wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
apologize if its in here but 9 pages is alot. Are they changing out the interiors to Alaska style or not yet?


Yes the first one is being done this month.


EA CO AS, do you know what the rate of conversions will be? Also, will there be a priority to convert ones inside that have already been done outside, or not really? (It'd be a bit funny to have a VX exterior and an AS interior.....


With the interior conversion, I hope the keep the mood lighting. The mood lighting looks pretty sweet coming through the windows with the new AS livery.

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