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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:58 pm

jetero wrote:
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As long as Kirby's "allowed" to do what he wants to do, that'll be the case for the next 3 years. If not, well, then I'm sure stagnation will return unless another hub is closed.

Lets hope that Kirby will continue to be allowed to do what he wants to do then.


I personally think it's UA's only option. Funny how they get criticized by Wall St for having the worst domestic network--then they get criticized for trying to address it.

I don't agree that the way to go, however, is to spread the growth over 3 midcontinent hubs.

I noticed that too, kind of ironic on Wall Street's part....
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:03 pm

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AVENSAB727 wrote:

Good news. Hopefully this means that the slump in growth for IAH is over.


As long as Kirby's "allowed" to do what he wants to do, that'll be the case for the next 3 years. If not, well, then I'm sure stagnation will return unless another hub is closed.

Lets hope that Kirby will continue to be allowed to do what he wants to do then.


I personally think it's UA's only option. Funny how they get criticized by Wall St for having the worst domestic network--then they get criticized for trying to address it.

I don't agree that the way to go, however, is to spread the growth over 3 midcontinent hubs.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:39 pm

City of Houston Dir. of Aviation Mario Diaz announces both IAH and HOU were awarded 4-star ratings by Skytrax yesterday, making Houston the 3rd city in the world w/two 4-star-rated airports (besides Tokyo & Seoul). First 4-star rating for IAH, third straight for HOU.
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:04 pm

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Delta and AA seem to be stagnant in Houston.


AA and DL both have opportunities to add additional nonstop routes out of IAH. AA could add nonstop service to LGA and DCA from IAH, and DL could add nonstop service to BOS, LAX, JFK, RDU, and SEA from IAH.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:10 pm

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drerx7 wrote:
Delta and AA seem to be stagnant in Houston.


AA and DL both have opportunities to add additional nonstop routes out of IAH. AA could add nonstop service to LGA and DCA from IAH, and DL could add nonstop service to BOS, LAX, JFK, RDU, and SEA from IAH.


They could add service to Grand Forks, North Dakota.

Stagnant indeed--seats for 12 months ending June 2018:

AA down 1.0% at HOU, 0.6% at IAH

DL up 0.3% at HOU, down 0.3% at HOU

But that's actually better than I would've expected given UA's and WN's growth. It also demonstrates how little of an effect Harvey had on long-term air traffic demand.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:20 pm

CA's schedule changing with the PTY flights--will now arrive in the AM when the PTY flights operate. Not sure how connections will work inbound from PEK with a 0740 departure but I doubt all that well. They probably at least have an redeye bank from Southeast Asia.

Flight begins April 5 (i.e., in 10 days!), 2 days per week Thursday, Sunday (not bad for a weekend trip).

Leave PEK 0740 Arrive IAH 0820

Leave IAH 1050 Arrive PTY 1430

Leave PTY 1630 Arrive IAH 2015

Leave IAH 0100 next day Arrive PEK 0450

On days PTY does not operate:

Leave PEK 1500 Arrive IAH 1540

Leave IAH 0100 next day Arrive PEK 0450 next day (same as PTY days)

311-seat 777-300ER

Presumably all in recognition of Panama breaking off diplomatic relations with Taiwan in favor of China.

Can't book on airchina.us but kayak has roundtrip flights for the inaugural weekend for $377 in Y, $2130 in C.

UA IAH-PTY flights on April 5 leave 0930, 1225, and 1520 (2 738s and 1 73G).
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:50 pm

I was hoping I could use this flight to connect to AUA in April... but it arrives too late to make a same day connection at PTY
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:13 pm

I know it's not IAH/HOU, but is there a chance for any service to EFD and GLS for a ULCC or cruise charters? What about the smaller airports like DWH, CXO, West Houston, and others for Via Air type services to regional cities or tiny corporate shuttles? Wasn't someone running a corporate shuttle from CXO to Dallas not too long ago?
jetero wrote:
CA's schedule changing with the PTY flights--will now arrive in the AM when the PTY flights operate. Not sure how connections will work inbound from PEK with a 0740 departure but I doubt all that well. They probably at least have an redeye bank from Southeast Asia.

Flight begins April 5 (i.e., in 10 days!), 2 days per week Thursday, Sunday (not bad for a weekend trip).

Leave PEK 0740 Arrive IAH 0820

Leave IAH 1050 Arrive PTY 1430

Leave PTY 1630 Arrive IAH 2015

Leave IAH 0100 next day Arrive PEK 0450

On days PTY does not operate:

Leave PEK 1500 Arrive IAH 1540

Leave IAH 0100 next day Arrive PEK 0450 next day (same as PTY days)

311-seat 777-300ER

Presumably all in recognition of Panama breaking off diplomatic relations with Taiwan in favor of China.

Can't book on airchina.us but kayak has roundtrip flights for the inaugural weekend for $377 in Y, $2130 in C.

UA IAH-PTY flights on April 5 leave 0930, 1225, and 1520 (2 738s and 1 73G).

Could this also be CA getting warmer with UA and CM? Or is this solely about diplomatic relations between PRC and Panama?
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:23 am

TWA772LR wrote:
Could this also be CA getting warmer with UA and CM? Or is this solely about diplomatic relations between PRC and Panama?


Nah, getting closer would mean codesharing on the UA flight to PTY. (UA isn't codesharing with CA, either, or at least not yet.) 2x weekly has to be driven by the politics. A good chunk of the Latin American and Caribbean countries still recognize Taiwan so they probably hope to make Panama an example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... _of_Taiwan

Belize (1989)
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Dominican Republic (1957)
El Salvador (1961)
Guatemala (1960)
Haiti (1956)
Honduras (1965)

Kiribati (2003)
Marshall Islands (1998)
Nauru (1980–2002, 2005)
Nicaragua (1962–1985, 1990)
Palau (1999)
Paraguay (1957)
Saint Kitts and Nevis (1983)
Saint Lucia (1984–1997, 2007)
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (1981)

Solomon Islands (1983)
Swaziland (1968)
Tuvalu (1979)
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:07 am

Interjet starting non-stop service to Leon/Guanajuato this summer. Nice addition. I've flown 4O to Monterey and thought it was a pleasant ride. Better than United if you're not flying up front.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:04 am

I wonder when AA and DL will expand at Houston - Hobby. HOU - LAX, PHX, MIA, ORD, NYC, STL, DCA for AA. Or HOU - SLC, SEA, RDU, MCO, NYC, MSP, DTW, LAX from DL side.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:14 am

COflyerBOS wrote:
Interjet starting non-stop service to Leon/Guanajuato this summer. Nice addition. I've flown 4O to Monterey and thought it was a pleasant ride. Better than United if you're not flying up front.


Good to hear that. Quite like Interjet. Is this an A320 or SJ100 service?
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:16 am

jetero wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Could this also be CA getting warmer with UA and CM? Or is this solely about diplomatic relations between PRC and Panama?


Nah, getting closer would mean codesharing on the UA flight to PTY. (UA isn't codesharing with CA, either, or at least not yet.) 2x weekly has to be driven by the politics. A good chunk of the Latin American and Caribbean countries still recognize Taiwan so they probably hope to make Panama an example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... _of_Taiwan

Belize (1989)
Burkina Faso (1961–1973, 1994)
Dominican Republic (1957)
El Salvador (1961)
Guatemala (1960)
Haiti (1956)
Honduras (1965)

Kiribati (2003)
Marshall Islands (1998)
Nauru (1980–2002, 2005)
Nicaragua (1962–1985, 1990)
Palau (1999)
Paraguay (1957)
Saint Kitts and Nevis (1983)
Saint Lucia (1984–1997, 2007)
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (1981)

Solomon Islands (1983)
Swaziland (1968)
Tuvalu (1979)
Vatican City (The Holy See) (1942)


CA995/996 is conveniently bookable on the UA site, I believe it's one of the only possible codeshares between the two. I believe United flights are bookable via the China site during certain parts of the year.
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:25 pm

LH658 wrote:
I wonder when AA and DL will expand at Houston - Hobby. HOU - LAX, PHX, MIA, ORD, NYC, STL, DCA for AA. Or HOU - SLC, SEA, RDU, MCO, NYC, MSP, DTW, LAX from DL side.


I do agree that AA and DL can both further expand at HOU. However, AA does not serve LGA, JFK, STL, or DCA nonstop from IAH, and DL does not serve BOS, LAX, MCO, RDU, or SEA nonstop from IAH. In addition, AA has dehubbed at STL and AA no longer serves any non-AA hub destinations nonstop from STL.

If AA is planning on adding nonstop service to NYC or DCA from Houston, AA would likely add nonstop service to LGA and DCA from IAH before adding nonstop service to NYC or DCA from HOU. If DL is planning on adding nonstop service to BOS, LAX, MCO, RDU, and/or SEA from Houston, DL would likely add nonstop service to these destinations from IAH before adding nonstop service to these destinations from HOU.

WN has been recently expanding its domestic operation at HOU, and WN could add nonstop service from HOU to DTW and MSP.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:52 pm

Airlinepilot129 wrote:
jetero wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Could this also be CA getting warmer with UA and CM? Or is this solely about diplomatic relations between PRC and Panama?


Nah, getting closer would mean codesharing on the UA flight to PTY. (UA isn't codesharing with CA, either, or at least not yet.) 2x weekly has to be driven by the politics. A good chunk of the Latin American and Caribbean countries still recognize Taiwan so they probably hope to make Panama an example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... _of_Taiwan

Belize (1989)
Burkina Faso (1961–1973, 1994)
Dominican Republic (1957)
El Salvador (1961)
Guatemala (1960)
Haiti (1956)
Honduras (1965)

Kiribati (2003)
Marshall Islands (1998)
Nauru (1980–2002, 2005)
Nicaragua (1962–1985, 1990)
Palau (1999)
Paraguay (1957)
Saint Kitts and Nevis (1983)
Saint Lucia (1984–1997, 2007)
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (1981)

Solomon Islands (1983)
Swaziland (1968)
Tuvalu (1979)
Vatican City (The Holy See) (1942)


CA995/996 is conveniently bookable on the UA site, I believe it's one of the only possible codeshares between the two. I believe United flights are bookable via the China site during certain parts of the year.


IAH-PEK yes, but at a full Y fare as far as I can tell (~$6,500 R/T versus connecting via ORD, LAX, SFO, IAD, EWR, or NRT for as little as $1,100 R/T). Not very convenient, except perhaps it is the same number of clicks. Connecting itineraries are priced similarly.

I cannot find IAH-PTY, either as an originating or connecting itinerary. But maybe it just hasn't been filed yet. I'm not sure if a codeshare was filed in the petition.

CA and UA are pretty far from cooperating. Heck, take IAH-PER, a decent sized market. The cheapest itineraries on united.com are connecting via SYD on QF, not NZ, by far ($2,600 vs $5,500. UA seems to have a closer relationship with QF!
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:55 pm

LH658 wrote:
I wonder when AA and DL will expand at Houston - Hobby. HOU - LAX, PHX, MIA, ORD, NYC, STL, DCA for AA. Or HOU - SLC, SEA, RDU, MCO, NYC, MSP, DTW, LAX from DL side.


I was going to default to my knee-jerk reaction of HOU having lower fares than IAH for AA and DL, but after looking at the data that really isn't the case.

That said, I think only the big connecting hubs would work. The track record of airlines other than UA and WN serving the big O&D markets such as LAX and NYC isn't that great. Maybe for NK it works well enough.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:59 pm

jetero wrote:
Airlinepilot129 wrote:
jetero wrote:

Nah, getting closer would mean codesharing on the UA flight to PTY. (UA isn't codesharing with CA, either, or at least not yet.) 2x weekly has to be driven by the politics. A good chunk of the Latin American and Caribbean countries still recognize Taiwan so they probably hope to make Panama an example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... _of_Taiwan

Belize (1989)
Burkina Faso (1961–1973, 1994)
Dominican Republic (1957)
El Salvador (1961)
Guatemala (1960)
Haiti (1956)
Honduras (1965)

Kiribati (2003)
Marshall Islands (1998)
Nauru (1980–2002, 2005)
Nicaragua (1962–1985, 1990)
Palau (1999)
Paraguay (1957)
Saint Kitts and Nevis (1983)
Saint Lucia (1984–1997, 2007)
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (1981)

Solomon Islands (1983)
Swaziland (1968)
Tuvalu (1979)
Vatican City (The Holy See) (1942)


CA995/996 is conveniently bookable on the UA site, I believe it's one of the only possible codeshares between the two. I believe United flights are bookable via the China site during certain parts of the year.


IAH-PEK yes, but at a full Y fare as far as I can tell (~$6,500 R/T versus connecting via ORD, LAX, SFO, IAD, EWR, or NRT for as little as $1,100 R/T). Not very convenient, except perhaps it is the same number of clicks. Connecting itineraries are priced similarly.

I cannot find IAH-PTY, either as an originating or connecting itinerary. But maybe it just hasn't been filed yet. I'm not sure if a codeshare was filed in the petition.

CA and UA are pretty far from cooperating. Heck, take IAH-PER, a decent sized market. The cheapest itineraries on united.com are connecting via SYD on QF, not NZ, by far ($2,600 vs $5,500. UA seems to have a closer relationship with QF!


Right now, the fares going for IAH-PTY are $2213 in economy and $3800 in business. Im guessing the fares really havent be adjusted yet.
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:05 pm

jetero wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
jetero wrote:

IAH-PEK yes, but at a full Y fare as far as I can tell (~$6,500 R/T versus connecting via ORD, LAX, SFO, IAD, EWR, or NRT for as little as $1,100 R/T). Not very convenient, except perhaps it is the same number of clicks. Connecting itineraries are priced similarly.

I cannot find IAH-PTY, either as an originating or connecting itinerary. But maybe it just hasn't been filed yet. I'm not sure if a codeshare was filed in the petition.

CA and UA are pretty far from cooperating. Heck, take IAH-PER, a decent sized market. The cheapest itineraries on united.com are connecting via SYD on QF, not NZ, by far ($2,600 vs $5,500. UA seems to have a closer relationship with QF!


Right now, the fares going for IAH-PTY are $2213 in economy and $3800 in business. Im guessing the fares really havent be adjusted yet.


Try Kayak . . . $377 in Y.


Wow, really? I was looking random dates in GDS. What dates were you looking?
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:06 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
jetero wrote:
Airlinepilot129 wrote:

CA995/996 is conveniently bookable on the UA site, I believe it's one of the only possible codeshares between the two. I believe United flights are bookable via the China site during certain parts of the year.


IAH-PEK yes, but at a full Y fare as far as I can tell (~$6,500 R/T versus connecting via ORD, LAX, SFO, IAD, EWR, or NRT for as little as $1,100 R/T). Not very convenient, except perhaps it is the same number of clicks. Connecting itineraries are priced similarly.

I cannot find IAH-PTY, either as an originating or connecting itinerary. But maybe it just hasn't been filed yet. I'm not sure if a codeshare was filed in the petition.

CA and UA are pretty far from cooperating. Heck, take IAH-PER, a decent sized market. The cheapest itineraries on united.com are connecting via SYD on QF, not NZ, by far ($2,600 vs $5,500. UA seems to have a closer relationship with QF!


Right now, the fares going for IAH-PTY are $2213 in economy and $3800 in business. Im guessing the fares really havent be adjusted yet.


Try Kayak . . . $377 in Y.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:15 pm

jetero wrote:
LH658 wrote:
I wonder when AA and DL will expand at Houston - Hobby. HOU - LAX, PHX, MIA, ORD, NYC, STL, DCA for AA. Or HOU - SLC, SEA, RDU, MCO, NYC, MSP, DTW, LAX from DL side.


I was going to default to my knee-jerk reaction of HOU having lower fares than IAH for AA and DL, but after looking at the data that really isn't the case.

That said, I think only the big connecting hubs would work. The track record of airlines other than UA and WN serving the big O&D markets such as LAX and NYC isn't that great. Maybe for NK it works well enough.


AA actually has nonstop service to LAX from IAH. In addition, AA also serves CLT, ORD, DFW, MIA, PHL, and PHX nonstop from IAH.

DL actually has more nonstops to ATL, DTW, and MSP from IAH than UA does.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:22 pm

jplatts wrote:
jetero wrote:
LH658 wrote:
I wonder when AA and DL will expand at Houston - Hobby. HOU - LAX, PHX, MIA, ORD, NYC, STL, DCA for AA. Or HOU - SLC, SEA, RDU, MCO, NYC, MSP, DTW, LAX from DL side.


I was going to default to my knee-jerk reaction of HOU having lower fares than IAH for AA and DL, but after looking at the data that really isn't the case.

That said, I think only the big connecting hubs would work. The track record of airlines other than UA and WN serving the big O&D markets such as LAX and NYC isn't that great. Maybe for NK it works well enough.


AA actually has nonstop service to LAX from IAH. In addition, AA also serves CLT, ORD, DFW, MIA, PHL, and PHX nonstop from IAH.

DL actually has more nonstops to ATL, DTW, and MSP from IAH than UA does.


Well aware of that . . .

DL also has nonstops to LGA . . .

But, I know, DL could start service to Manchester, NH.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:44 pm

jetero wrote:
jplatts wrote:
jetero wrote:

I was going to default to my knee-jerk reaction of HOU having lower fares than IAH for AA and DL, but after looking at the data that really isn't the case.

That said, I think only the big connecting hubs would work. The track record of airlines other than UA and WN serving the big O&D markets such as LAX and NYC isn't that great. Maybe for NK it works well enough.


AA actually has nonstop service to LAX from IAH. In addition, AA also serves CLT, ORD, DFW, MIA, PHL, and PHX nonstop from IAH.

DL actually has more nonstops to ATL, DTW, and MSP from IAH than UA does.


Well aware of that . . .

DL also has nonstops to LGA . . .


While DL has nonstops to LGA, CVG, and SLC from IAH, UA has more nonstops to LGA, CVG, and SLC from IAH than DL does.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:48 pm

jplatts wrote:
jetero wrote:
jplatts wrote:

AA actually has nonstop service to LAX from IAH. In addition, AA also serves CLT, ORD, DFW, MIA, PHL, and PHX nonstop from IAH.

DL actually has more nonstops to ATL, DTW, and MSP from IAH than UA does.


Well aware of that . . .

DL also has nonstops to LGA . . .


While DL has nonstops to LGA, CVG, and SLC from IAH, UA has more nonstops to LGA, CVG, and SLC from IAH than DL does.


That’s typically how it works ... the bigger hub airline has more flights ... (LGA being an obvious special exception.). Find one hub that has more flights to ATL on AA or UA than DL does.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:06 pm

Airlinepilot129 wrote:
COflyerBOS wrote:
Interjet starting non-stop service to Leon/Guanajuato this summer. Nice addition. I've flown 4O to Monterey and thought it was a pleasant ride. Better than United if you're not flying up front.


Good to hear that. Quite like Interjet. Is this an A320 or SJ100 service?


I wonder the same, I took the SJ100 once on SLP-MEX and it was so comfortable, 34 inch pitch.

The timings are good too

720 AM IAH-BJX
640 PM BJX-IAH

Prices very low I'm seeing $233 round trip for some dates. This is going to hurt United for sure as it has 4 flights to BJX daily and 3 to QRO which is about 90 minutes from BJX airport. This is a market I've thought some carrier should jump into for some time.

As others have stated with UA's lack of interest towards regional Texas (Del Rio) and Mexican destinations, Mexican LCCs have taken full advantage. I'm surprised that UA doesn't have even a weekly flight to ZCL.

Regarding WN, my dream is to see a flight to PTY or BOG at some point, both of those have the demand for at least a daily flight.

Regarding YVR and YYZ, maybe Westjet could step in?

Finally who knows about Air India, the flight if it ever starts would go to DFW or IAH but not both. I would rather see Etihad come to Houston.

And lastly pipe dream but how about a return of Gulf Air? I took it to NYC in 1995 and got a free business class upgrade to Bahrain because I had a broken arm and the stewardess felt bad for me.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 1:17 pm

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At a recent event in Houston, Scott Kirby told attendees in the coming years UA could add new nonstop service to 20 new cities from IAH including international destinations. He also stated UA is growing IAH and expects to hit 700 flights a day up from 540 although no time frame was given for when we should expect IAH to hit the 700 mark.

My question is what new international destinations could UA add from IAH? Will UA finally restore IAH-CDG or perhaps offer new service to other European cities or perhaps UA is looking to grow in South America? Although these next two seem highly unlikely what are the prospects of UA serving Africa or China from IAH?

https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/new ... yptr=yahoo

Posted in the United Airlines Network Thread, 700 daily flights AND upgauges?

Is this for real?

And 20 new destinations?

EYW, SRQ, MGM, TLH, Waco, Wichita Falls, San Angelo, ....?

Which routes do you think they mean? Or is Kirby just bluffing?
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 1:34 pm

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As others have stated with UA's lack of interest towards regional Texas (Del Rio) and Mexican destinations, Mexican LCCs have taken full advantage. I'm surprised that UA doesn't have even a weekly flight to ZCL.

Regarding WN, my dream is to see a flight to PTY or BOG at some point, both of those have the demand for at least a daily flight.

Regarding YVR and YYZ, maybe Westjet could step in?

Finally who knows about Air India, the flight if it ever starts would go to DFW or IAH but not both. I would rather see Etihad come to Houston.

And lastly pipe dream but how about a return of Gulf Air? I took it to NYC in 1995 and got a free business class upgrade to Bahrain because I had a broken arm and the stewardess felt bad for me.


Yes, UA is a laggard when introducing new services especially to other Texas cities, while AA is more aggressive from DFW. Del Rio is a big hole.

Regarding Etihad, no chance. EY is on a withdrawal mode, it stopped DFW and SFO. There is a remote possibility of AI to DEL, but with the rising fuel prices probably unlikely (although rising fuel prices should help Houston area, but energy business connections with India is small).

My wish list is to HKG, ZRH or MAD and return to Africa (Lagos or some other city). MAN was taken care of SQ and it is quite popular now.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 3:04 pm

On the international side, they should look at adding service to MDE or CLO to take advantage of new Star Alliance ties to Avianca.
I could see a possibility of a seasonal summer only service to CDG or BCN. UA seems to be getting more comfortable with North Atlantic seasonal services from it's other hubs.
Domestically, I agree they need to beef up service within Texas. Every city in Louisiana with a landing strip has flights, but Texas as a whole is underserved.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 3:13 pm

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At a recent event in Houston, Scott Kirby told attendees in the coming years UA could add new nonstop service to 20 new cities from IAH including international destinations. He also stated UA is growing IAH and expects to hit 700 flights a day up from 540 although no time frame was given for when we should expect IAH to hit the 700 mark.

My question is what new international destinations could UA add from IAH? Will UA finally restore IAH-CDG or perhaps offer new service to other European cities or perhaps UA is looking to grow in South America? Although these next two seem highly unlikely what are the prospects of UA serving Africa or China from IAH?

https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/new ... yptr=yahoo

Posted in the United Airlines Network Thread, 700 daily flights AND upgauges?

Is this for real?

And 20 new destinations?

EYW, SRQ, MGM, TLH, Waco, Wichita Falls, San Angelo, ....?

Which routes do you think they mean? Or is Kirby just bluffing?


It's entirely consistent with growing 6%-7%-7% annually over 3 years. If you strengthen a hub, you add more destinations. I'm surprised the number wasn't larger, given how many destinations have been cut.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 4:27 pm

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jetero wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
Posted in the United Airlines Network Thread, 700 daily flights AND upgauges?

Is this for real?

And 20 new destinations?

EYW, SRQ, MGM, TLH, Waco, Wichita Falls, San Angelo, ....?

Which routes do you think they mean? Or is Kirby just bluffing?


It's entirely consistent with growing 6%-7%-7% annually over 3 years. If you strengthen a hub, you add more destinations. I'm surprised the number wasn't larger, given how many destinations have been cut.


Yes, I am betting the new destinations will be the resumption of LOS,CDG, and for new Int’l Destinations; hopefully PVG or PEK, BRU or ZRH. As for Domestic, I say the resumption of BPT( replacing the bus service), and others that were cut.


I'd suspect the vast majority will be domestic, which, quite honestly, is what IAH needs more of. UA (incl CO) carried a full 20% less domestic passengers from IAH in 2017 than in 2008.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 4:28 pm

jetero wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
jayunited wrote:
At a recent event in Houston, Scott Kirby told attendees in the coming years UA could add new nonstop service to 20 new cities from IAH including international destinations. He also stated UA is growing IAH and expects to hit 700 flights a day up from 540 although no time frame was given for when we should expect IAH to hit the 700 mark.

My question is what new international destinations could UA add from IAH? Will UA finally restore IAH-CDG or perhaps offer new service to other European cities or perhaps UA is looking to grow in South America? Although these next two seem highly unlikely what are the prospects of UA serving Africa or China from IAH?

https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/new ... yptr=yahoo

Posted in the United Airlines Network Thread, 700 daily flights AND upgauges?

Is this for real?

And 20 new destinations?

EYW, SRQ, MGM, TLH, Waco, Wichita Falls, San Angelo, ....?

Which routes do you think they mean? Or is Kirby just bluffing?


It's entirely consistent with growing 6%-7%-7% annually over 3 years. If you strengthen a hub, you add more destinations. I'm surprised the number wasn't larger, given how many destinations have been cut.


Yes, I am betting the new destinations will be the resumption of LOS,CDG, and for new Int’l Destinations; hopefully PVG or PEK, BRU or ZRH. As for Domestic, I say the resumption of BPT( replacing the bus service), and others that were cut.
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 4:38 pm

jetero wrote:
AVENSAB727 wrote:
jetero wrote:

It's entirely consistent with growing 6%-7%-7% annually over 3 years. If you strengthen a hub, you add more destinations. I'm surprised the number wasn't larger, given how many destinations have been cut.


Yes, I am betting the new destinations will be the resumption of LOS,CDG, and for new Int’l Destinations; hopefully PVG or PEK, BRU or ZRH. As for Domestic, I say the resumption of BPT( replacing the bus service), and others that were cut.


I'd suspect the vast majority will be domestic, which, quite honestly, is what IAH needs more of. UA (incl CO) carried a full 20% less domestic passengers from IAH in 2017 than in 2008.


This.

The only international holes in UA's network internationally that I can think of are PVG, and maybe MDE/CLO. Otherwise, UA covers IAH very well internationally.

Domestically, is where we really need help. I would give anything to see ACT, TYR, DRT, SPS, and ABI come on board but these would need to be flown by props. The jets are too big.

Also, Id love to see GSO, CID, and PBI year round. This along with the continuation of phase outs of ERJ-145 on bigger markets like IND, CLE, and CMH.
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 6:27 pm

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jetero wrote:
AVENSAB727 wrote:

Yes, I am betting the new destinations will be the resumption of LOS,CDG, and for new Int’l Destinations; hopefully PVG or PEK, BRU or ZRH. As for Domestic, I say the resumption of BPT( replacing the bus service), and others that were cut.


I'd suspect the vast majority will be domestic, which, quite honestly, is what IAH needs more of. UA (incl CO) carried a full 20% less domestic passengers from IAH in 2017 than in 2008.


This.

The only international holes in UA's network internationally that I can think of are PVG, and maybe MDE/CLO. Otherwise, UA covers IAH very well internationally.

Domestically, is where we really need help. I would give anything to see ACT, TYR, DRT, SPS, and ABI come on board but these would need to be flown by props. The jets are too big.

Also, Id love to see GSO, CID, and PBI year round. This along with the continuation of phase outs of ERJ-145 on bigger markets like IND, CLE, and CMH.

Agree LAX, UA needs IAD and IAH as its Florida flow hubs, so east-west routes that can feed Florida or are in Florida contribute to building scale and network flow. PBI, EYW, TLH, and SRQ are needed additions to make IAH a better FL gateway for UA.

Midwest-IAH is needed a bit less for UA then CO but they should definitely bring some of that capacity back if they want to truly make IAH a "mega-hub". 700 daily flights would surely merit some mainline to IND or a flight departing after 2pm !!! to MSP.

Any idea why UA has 5 morning flights IAH-MSP but nothing in the evening this summer?. Seems like a weird unbalanced schedule.

On a related note PSP-IAH just came back (2x daily E70/E75).
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 6:34 pm

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Midwest-IAH is needed a bit less for UA then CO but they should definitely bring some of that capacity back if they want to truly make IAH a "mega-hub". 700 daily flights would surely merit some mainline to IND or a flight departing after 2pm !!! to MSP.

Any idea why UA has 5 morning flights IAH-MSP but nothing in the evening this summer?. Seems like a weird unbalanced schedule.


IAH schedules have been out of whack and not optimal for a long time. Probably aircraft shortage, likely YV-related, with MSP getting the short end of the stick. I'm sure it's temporary.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 6:50 pm

SumChristianus wrote:
Midwest-IAH is needed a bit less for UA then CO but they should definitely bring some of that capacity back if they want to truly make IAH a "mega-hub". 700 daily flights would surely merit some mainline to IND or a flight departing after 2pm !!! to MSP.

Any idea why UA has 5 morning flights IAH-MSP but nothing in the evening this summer?. Seems like a weird unbalanced schedule.


DL currently has more nonstop service to MSP from IAH than UA does. UA is trying to target O&D on the Houston side plus connections from Texas, Louisiana, the Southeastern U.S., and Latin America with the morning IAH-MSP departures.

WN could also add HOU-MSP nonstop service since MSP is located in the 3rd largest U.S. metropolitan area that does not have nonstop service from HOU on WN, since MSP is the largest WN station outside of California that has never had nonstop service from HOU on WN, and since WN is still expanding its domestic operation at HOU. WN also already carries over 2 million passengers a year in and out of MSP, and WN has been at MSP for over 9 years. MSP is also one of the few remaining major U.S. destinations, along with PHL, DTW, SMF, CVG, and CLE, that isn't currently served nonstop from HOU on WN.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Thu May 24, 2018 6:01 am

XE could fill the intraTX market etc very well. We shall see what the “vacuum guy” announces as new/reopened stations. IAH is long overdue for UA growth. Returns of mainline to MAF, CRP AND ELP are a start. I bet money on ABI and CDG!
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Thu May 24, 2018 6:07 am

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XE could fill the intraTX market etc very well. We shall see what the “vacuum guy” announces as new/reopened stations.


Vacuum guy ... I love it! (I guess it implies sucking, though!)

[quote=“jhknight”]I bet money on ABI and CDG![/quote]

What a pair of cities ... only in Texas.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:29 am

Interjet flight has disappeared from google flights
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:40 am

MAD and BCN were rumored by CO when they first ordered the 787. Those are pretty big holes in IAHs network. CDG should also make a return at least seasonally.
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:51 pm

Was looking at O&D statistics in connection with WN's announcement of once-weekly (hurrah!) HOU-PHL. It's conventional wisdom that the oil boom greatly benefited the Houston travel market and the bust greatly harmed it, but, believe it or not, the market still grew during each year of the bust, no doubt benefiting from NK and WN competition.

Year / PPDEW IAH / YOY % chg / PPDEW HOU / YOY % chg / PPDEW TOTAL / YOY % chg [DOMESTIC ONLY]

2006 / 18,854 / / 8,560 / / 27,413 / prior peak

2007 / 17,895 / -5.1% / 8,998 / 5.1% / 26,893 / -1.9% oil price increase from approx $70/bbl to $100+/bbl (supply effect)

2008 / 16,565 / -7.4% / 9,067 / 0.8% / 25,632 / -4.7% oil price peak, start of financial crisis

2009 / 15,565 / -6.0% / 8,335 / -8.1% / 23,900 / -6.8% more financial crisis effects

2010 / 15,785 / 1.4% / 8,608 / 3.3% / 24,393 / 2.1% UA-CO merger announced May, closes October

2011 / 15,866 / 0.5% / 9,471 / 10.0% / 25,336 / 3.9% initial UA-CO network adjustments

2012 / 16,291 / 2.7% / 9,876 / 4.3% / 26,167 / 3.3%

2013 / 16,630 / 2.1% / 10,020 / 1.5% / 26,651 / 1.9%

2014 / 17,450 / 4.9% / 10,524 / 5.0% / 27,975 / 5.0% pre-crash oil price peak, traffic recovers from 2006 peak

2015 / 18,646 / 6.9% / 10,920 / 3.8% / 29,566 / 5.7% oil price bottoms out in Dec

2016 / 18,900 / 1.4% / 11,046 / 1.2% / 29,947 / 1.3%

2017 / 19,828 / 4.9% / 11,224 / 1.6% / 31,051 / 3.7%

Percent change total Houston PPDEW

2006-2009 peak to trough (primarily global financial crisis): -12.8%

2009-2014 economic recovery to oil peak: +17.1%

2014-2017 oil price sub-$70: +11.0%

If you accept those years as bookmarks (certainly not perfect), the compound growth rate from 2009-2014 (oil price run-up mitigated by slow recovery) was 3.2% and that for 2014 to 2017 (worst oil crash since 1980s) was 3.5%, or at very similar rates.

Of course the numbers by airline are different and the revenue dimension is not presented--fares decreased marginally so these decreases offset volume increases.

DoT international data can't be posted but it's safe to say that O&D increased as well with all the new Asian service and HOU's international terminal, but fares decreased way more dramatically here than domestic since the crash.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:46 pm

jetero wrote:
Was looking at O&D statistics in connection with WN's announcement of once-weekly (hurrah!) HOU-PHL. It's conventional wisdom that the oil boom greatly benefited the Houston travel market and the bust greatly harmed it, but, believe it or not, the market still grew during each year of the bust, no doubt benefiting from NK and WN competition.

Year / PPDEW IAH / YOY % chg / PPDEW HOU / YOY % chg / PPDEW TOTAL / YOY % chg [DOMESTIC ONLY]

2006 / 18,854 / / 8,560 / / 27,413 / prior peak

2007 / 17,895 / -5.1% / 8,998 / 5.1% / 26,893 / -1.9% oil price increase from approx $70/bbl to $100+/bbl (supply effect)

2008 / 16,565 / -7.4% / 9,067 / 0.8% / 25,632 / -4.7% oil price peak, start of financial crisis

2009 / 15,565 / -6.0% / 8,335 / -8.1% / 23,900 / -6.8% more financial crisis effects

2010 / 15,785 / 1.4% / 8,608 / 3.3% / 24,393 / 2.1% UA-CO merger announced May, closes October

2011 / 15,866 / 0.5% / 9,471 / 10.0% / 25,336 / 3.9% initial UA-CO network adjustments

2012 / 16,291 / 2.7% / 9,876 / 4.3% / 26,167 / 3.3%

2013 / 16,630 / 2.1% / 10,020 / 1.5% / 26,651 / 1.9%

2014 / 17,450 / 4.9% / 10,524 / 5.0% / 27,975 / 5.0% pre-crash oil price peak, traffic recovers from 2006 peak

2015 / 18,646 / 6.9% / 10,920 / 3.8% / 29,566 / 5.7% oil price bottoms out in Dec

2016 / 18,900 / 1.4% / 11,046 / 1.2% / 29,947 / 1.3%

2017 / 19,828 / 4.9% / 11,224 / 1.6% / 31,051 / 3.7%

Percent change total Houston PPDEW

2006-2009 peak to trough (primarily global financial crisis): -12.8%

2009-2014 economic recovery to oil peak: +17.1%

2014-2017 oil price sub-$70: +11.0%

If you accept those years as bookmarks (certainly not perfect), the compound growth rate from 2009-2014 (oil price run-up mitigated by slow recovery) was 3.2% and that for 2014 to 2017 (worst oil crash since 1980s) was 3.5%, or at very similar rates.

Of course the numbers by airline are different and the revenue dimension is not presented--fares decreased marginally so these decreases offset volume increases.

DoT international data can't be posted but it's safe to say that O&D increased as well with all the new Asian service and HOU's international terminal, but fares decreased way more dramatically here than domestic since the crash.


Not bad! these numbers are better than I thought. Goes on to show Houston's resilience.
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:57 am

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jetero wrote:
Was looking at O&D statistics in connection with WN's announcement of once-weekly (hurrah!) HOU-PHL. It's conventional wisdom that the oil boom greatly benefited the Houston travel market and the bust greatly harmed it, but, believe it or not, the market still grew during each year of the bust, no doubt benefiting from NK and WN competition.

Year / PPDEW IAH / YOY % chg / PPDEW HOU / YOY % chg / PPDEW TOTAL / YOY % chg [DOMESTIC ONLY]

2006 / 18,854 / / 8,560 / / 27,413 / prior peak

2007 / 17,895 / -5.1% / 8,998 / 5.1% / 26,893 / -1.9% oil price increase from approx $70/bbl to $100+/bbl (supply effect)

2008 / 16,565 / -7.4% / 9,067 / 0.8% / 25,632 / -4.7% oil price peak, start of financial crisis

2009 / 15,565 / -6.0% / 8,335 / -8.1% / 23,900 / -6.8% more financial crisis effects

2010 / 15,785 / 1.4% / 8,608 / 3.3% / 24,393 / 2.1% UA-CO merger announced May, closes October

2011 / 15,866 / 0.5% / 9,471 / 10.0% / 25,336 / 3.9% initial UA-CO network adjustments

2012 / 16,291 / 2.7% / 9,876 / 4.3% / 26,167 / 3.3%

2013 / 16,630 / 2.1% / 10,020 / 1.5% / 26,651 / 1.9%

2014 / 17,450 / 4.9% / 10,524 / 5.0% / 27,975 / 5.0% pre-crash oil price peak, traffic recovers from 2006 peak

2015 / 18,646 / 6.9% / 10,920 / 3.8% / 29,566 / 5.7% oil price bottoms out in Dec

2016 / 18,900 / 1.4% / 11,046 / 1.2% / 29,947 / 1.3%

2017 / 19,828 / 4.9% / 11,224 / 1.6% / 31,051 / 3.7%

Percent change total Houston PPDEW

2006-2009 peak to trough (primarily global financial crisis): -12.8%

2009-2014 economic recovery to oil peak: +17.1%

2014-2017 oil price sub-$70: +11.0%

If you accept those years as bookmarks (certainly not perfect), the compound growth rate from 2009-2014 (oil price run-up mitigated by slow recovery) was 3.2% and that for 2014 to 2017 (worst oil crash since 1980s) was 3.5%, or at very similar rates.

Of course the numbers by airline are different and the revenue dimension is not presented--fares decreased marginally so these decreases offset volume increases.

DoT international data can't be posted but it's safe to say that O&D increased as well with all the new Asian service and HOU's international terminal, but fares decreased way more dramatically here than domestic since the crash.


Not bad! these numbers are better than I thought. Goes on to show Houston's resilience.


IAH’s decreases in passenger numbers are not due to decreases in O&D ... they’re entirely attributable to UA network realignment following the merger, as far as I can tell to make defensive moves in ORD (during negotiations), DEN (after F9 pullback), SFO (VX), and EWR (after slot restrictions removed). IAD and LAX also got the raw end of the deal. IAH always logical to cut because it’s got a volume problem (much easier to fill planes in Denver and Chicago with connecting traffic), and the demand is very inelastic, even during a downturn.

The truth of the matter is both UA and CO before the merger absolutely gutted their domestic systems and narrowbody fleet, which left them pretty exposed. At least Kirby is acknowledging that was a bonehead move.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:49 am

My predictions for WN expansion at HOU within the next 2 years (in addition to already announced new WN nonstop routes out of HOU):
  • HOU-CVG, HOU-CLE, HOU-DTW, HOU-MSP, and HOU-PUJ nonstop service added
  • HOU-SAN nonstop service increased to at least 3 daily nonstops from 2 daily nonstops
  • HOU-LIT nonstop service brought back
  • HOU-LBB nonstop service brought back on a year-round basis
  • Increased nonstop service to some of the existing WN international destinations that are already served nonstop from HOU to make it easier to connect to WN international destinations from the West Coast (and vice versa)
  • Addition of nonstop service to new WN international destinations in Latin America
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:02 am

jhknight wrote:
I bet money on ABI and CDG!


I think that's the first time I've ever seen/heard ABI and CDG mentioned in the same breath.

jplatts wrote:
[*]HOU-LBB nonstop service brought back on a year-round basis


I think you'd see UA bring mainline back to LBB from IAH before WN goes nonstop from HOU. WN's focus will continue to be more on long-haul.
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:13 am

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jplatts wrote:
HOU-LBB nonstop service brought back on a year-round basis


I think you'd see UA bring mainline back to LBB from IAH before WN goes nonstop from HOU. WN's focus will continue to be more on long-haul.


WN would be able to connect passengers to CRP, HRL, MSY, Florida, and international destinations from LBB through HOU if it brought back HOU-LBB nonstop service on a year-round basis. LBB is also one of the top destinations traveled to from HOU that isn't currently served nonstop from HOU. WN also has over 50% market share at LBB, and Lubbock is one of the few markets along with Albuquerque, Kansas City, Midland/Odessa, Nashville, Sacramento, and St. Louis where WN has over 50% market share.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:06 pm

I'm surprised none of you mentioned AA MIA-HOU in here.

Looking at the schedule, does the plane go up to DFW and then sit over night? Or is it just sitting for 11 hrs?
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:29 pm

jplatts wrote:
DFWAviator76 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
HOU-LBB nonstop service brought back on a year-round basis


I think you'd see UA bring mainline back to LBB from IAH before WN goes nonstop from HOU. WN's focus will continue to be more on long-haul.


WN would be able to connect passengers to CRP, HRL, MSY, Florida, and international destinations from LBB through HOU if it brought back HOU-LBB nonstop service on a year-round basis. LBB is also one of the top destinations traveled to from HOU that isn't currently served nonstop from HOU. WN also has over 50% market share at LBB, and Lubbock is one of the few markets along with Albuquerque, Kansas City, Midland/Odessa, Nashville, Sacramento, and St. Louis where WN has over 50% market share.


Houston to Lubbock is quite a distance to drive. I wish WN wouldn't abandon the intra Texas market.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:36 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
DFWAviator76 wrote:

I think you'd see UA bring mainline back to LBB from IAH before WN goes nonstop from HOU. WN's focus will continue to be more on long-haul.


WN would be able to connect passengers to CRP, HRL, MSY, Florida, and international destinations from LBB through HOU if it brought back HOU-LBB nonstop service on a year-round basis. LBB is also one of the top destinations traveled to from HOU that isn't currently served nonstop from HOU. WN also has over 50% market share at LBB, and Lubbock is one of the few markets along with Albuquerque, Kansas City, Midland/Odessa, Nashville, Sacramento, and St. Louis where WN has over 50% market share.


Houston to Lubbock is quite a distance to drive. I wish WN wouldn't abandon the intra Texas market.


What I wish above all for IAH/HOU would be for UA to bring back more intra-Texas markets like ACT, TYR, ABI, DRT, and SPS.
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:14 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
DFWAviator76 wrote:
I think you'd see UA bring mainline back to LBB from IAH before WN goes nonstop from HOU. WN's focus will continue to be more on long-haul.


WN would be able to connect passengers to CRP, HRL, MSY, Florida, and international destinations from LBB through HOU if it brought back HOU-LBB nonstop service on a year-round basis. LBB is also one of the top destinations traveled to from HOU that isn't currently served nonstop from HOU. WN also has over 50% market share at LBB, and Lubbock is one of the few markets along with Albuquerque, Kansas City, Midland/Odessa, Nashville, Sacramento, and St. Louis where WN has over 50% market share.


Houston to Lubbock is quite a distance to drive. I wish WN wouldn't abandon the intra Texas market.


I agree with your point, and LBB and AMA are the only Texas destinations that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from HOU. WN hasn't completely abandoned the intra-Texas market, and there is still more than enough O&D demand to support WN nonstop service to DAL, MAF, ELP, and HRL out of HOU.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:21 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
jplatts wrote:

WN would be able to connect passengers to CRP, HRL, MSY, Florida, and international destinations from LBB through HOU if it brought back HOU-LBB nonstop service on a year-round basis. LBB is also one of the top destinations traveled to from HOU that isn't currently served nonstop from HOU. WN also has over 50% market share at LBB, and Lubbock is one of the few markets along with Albuquerque, Kansas City, Midland/Odessa, Nashville, Sacramento, and St. Louis where WN has over 50% market share.


Houston to Lubbock is quite a distance to drive. I wish WN wouldn't abandon the intra Texas market.


What I wish above all for IAH/HOU would be for UA to bring back more intra-Texas markets like ACT, TYR, ABI, DRT, and SPS.


I can't even get decent connections from CRP to international flights at IAH on UA on Star Alliance carriers. As much as UA charges for second bags on international flights, one would think it would be quite beneficial to cooperate with members of their alliance.

The Justice Department Antitrust division let 8 of the largest airlines be come 4 monster airlines, and they have responded by cutting back service to smaller markets.

WN still has this 737 fetish that blinds them to the fact that the 737 is too big and heavy for the short routes it used to fly. WN needs to get a smaller type to fill the role formerly served by the 737-200 and 500.
 
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Re: IAH/HOU Aviation Thread 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:33 pm

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I can't even get decent connections from CRP to international flights at IAH on UA on Star Alliance carriers.


Using UA website? UA doesn't codeshare (or at least doesn't have worthwhile enough codeshares) on any airlines out of IAH except AC, LH, NH, and NZ. But usually the other airline websites like TK have reasonably priced connections.

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