klakzky123 wrote:Luke1994 wrote:Funny that you post MSA and ignore CSA, where Detroit has a 1,300,000+ edge on Minneapolis, and that’s excluding Windsor, which is right next door. So in reality, it’s closer to 5,700,000 v. 4,000,000 overall.
At MSP’s current growth rate, it would take about 50 years to equal the Detroit area in population. So yes, MSP is punching above its weight class, and has been for some time now. MSP benefits from great location, and that allows for fairly short connections on East-West routes. It’s also a nice facility and former home of NW, so it has every right to be a hub and important cog in Delta’s machine. And so does Detroit.
Let’s please move past the Detroit v. Minneapolis dick measuring contest, yeah? It’s clogging up this thread and the discussion isn’t really going anywhere.
Not to quibble but CSAs are an OMB creation that consists of multiple MSAs with some (many cases low) levels of labor interconnectivity. If you're comparing the Detroit Metro to the Twin Cities metro, you are comparing MSAs.
Comparing the Twin Cities CSA to the Detroit CSA just indicates that the Twin Cities does not have any other major MSAs in its proximity. But that does little to disabuse the notion that the actual Detroit MSA is facing population stagnation and bringing in adjacent MSAs to buttress the population doesn't actually improve your case.
But if you want to claim Ann Arbor, Flint etc.. are part of Detroit to prove a point, then sure. No one in Minneapolis would consider St Cloud part of the Twin Cities but the CSA technically does. Again, its an OMB creation to evaluate labor statistics. MSAs are a measure of a city and its suburbs. It is literally intended to define a metro area.
And this is why we have an issue when discussing this you have to include Ann Arbor as it is just as far as Detroit from DTW in some cases these area's are even closer than the northern suburbs of Detroit same with Windsor why do you think there are no Windsor Florida flights because Windsor for the most part is using Detroit because it's way more convenient and cheaper than using YQG. One other thing to remember is there is ZERO leakage from MSP there is no where within driving distance to get a better fare from Detroit you can drive to Chicago and Toronto to get a better international fare also further diluting the Detroit numbers. So you have to count Ann Arbor and I'd even say as far west as Jackson and as far south as Toledo that would use DTW as their primary airport. So with that being said which airport do the residents of St' Cloud use as their airport ? You have to include the population that would and could possibly use DTW or MSP as their primary airport for their travel plans not some number of a defined area. As to you mentioning Flint now that Delta has eliminated the DTW-FNT and the lack of service there now Detroit also becomes more relevant because there are no east ward connections from Flint anymore so anyone traveling any where east of Michigan by are is more likely to drive to Detroit to get a nonstop than to fly out of FNT with their best option being flying one hour backwards to ORD to reach any point in the eastern part of the US