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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:25 pm

United today said that they see an opportunity to grow at Dulles. I see room to grow in new Mid-Atlantic markets such as BYH, PHF, AVL, AVP, and ABE. In most of these cities, AA and DL have multiple flights a day to their hubs with only a couple having service to EWR or ORD.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... es-447820/

I have recently seen UA upgage a few flights out of IAD and see more in the summer schedule. Currently, one flight on IAD-JAX upgauged to a 737, one flight on IAD-CVG upgaged to an A320 and one flight on IAD-PIT upgaged to an A320. During the summer 2 daily flights on IAD-PWM upgauged to mainline and 1 flight on IAD-PHL.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:29 pm

Another gusty day in NoVa. DCA doing arrivals on 1 and 33 and IAD doing the rare Rwy 30 arrivals - lots of heavies currently in IAD.

Several go-arounds with wind shear alerts at DCA.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:40 pm

Anyone know why there's an AN-124 on the remote ramp next to 1L/19R at IAD? Even from the road a mile away that thing looks HUGE.

It's been there for about a week now?!
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:01 pm

estorilm wrote:
Anyone know why there's an AN-124 on the remote ramp next to 1L/19R at IAD? Even from the road a mile away that thing looks HUGE.

It's been there for about a week now?!


One flew in on Wednesday from either El Paso or New Mexico, I can't remember off the top of my head. I have an alert setup on my Flightradar account to email me when one is enroute. You'd be surprised how frequently one visits.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:21 pm

asuflyer05 wrote:
estorilm wrote:
Anyone know why there's an AN-124 on the remote ramp next to 1L/19R at IAD? Even from the road a mile away that thing looks HUGE.

It's been there for about a week now?!


One flew in on Wednesday from either El Paso or New Mexico, I can't remember off the top of my head. I have an alert setup on my Flightradar account to email me when one is enroute. You'd be surprised how frequently one visits.

Wow weird, I wonder if it was a second aircraft? Or maybe same flight and I didn't notice it departed for a day or two. I do remember it last week and it was there on the way home yesterday.

What do they normally fly in/out? Maintenance / engine stuff?
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:44 pm

estorilm wrote:
asuflyer05 wrote:
estorilm wrote:
Anyone know why there's an AN-124 on the remote ramp next to 1L/19R at IAD? Even from the road a mile away that thing looks HUGE.

It's been there for about a week now?!


One flew in on Wednesday from either El Paso or New Mexico, I can't remember off the top of my head. I have an alert setup on my Flightradar account to email me when one is enroute. You'd be surprised how frequently one visits.

Wow weird, I wonder if it was a second aircraft? Or maybe same flight and I didn't notice it departed for a day or two. I do remember it last week and it was there on the way home yesterday.

What do they normally fly in/out? Maintenance / engine stuff?


Guessing it's probably for picking up rocket/satellite components from Orbital, just up Rt. 28 from IAD.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:45 pm

LoudounHound wrote:
estorilm wrote:
asuflyer05 wrote:

One flew in on Wednesday from either El Paso or New Mexico, I can't remember off the top of my head. I have an alert setup on my Flightradar account to email me when one is enroute. You'd be surprised how frequently one visits.

Wow weird, I wonder if it was a second aircraft? Or maybe same flight and I didn't notice it departed for a day or two. I do remember it last week and it was there on the way home yesterday.

What do they normally fly in/out? Maintenance / engine stuff?


Guessing it's probably for picking up rocket/satellite components from Orbital, just up Rt. 28 from IAD.

Oh yeah, there's infinite defense contractors in the area. I thought it was all R&D / management ops, I didn't realize they actually built the stuff here though.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:07 pm

A question for the knowledgable here:

DCA is slot and perimeter constrained. Is it also constrained by regulation in terms of aircraft size and destination?

I have been looking every week at the construction in the new "Commuter World" (which is what DCA Ground Control and pilots seem to call it) in terms of the time required (4 years from planning to first operation) and the money spent on it, and am wondering what would happen to the facility if all the smaller RJs were replaced in the next 3-5 years by E-170/190s or CR9s, all of which park at mainline gates.

Could every commercial flight coming into DCA be a 757-300 or an A321 if the market warrants it, or is there some regulation somewhere which caps the number of big planes coming in?

Could American become all mainline at DCA by cutting out any destination that does not warrant at least A319 service? We saw the growth effects of the WN slot swap with 737-only service. Are there regulations which prevent American from doing something similar, not serving the smaller destinations?

I've read reams of FAA and MWAA documents, but can't get a satisfactory answer. Any clues from Netters would be great.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:41 pm

Many of the concrete panels for the Metro extension were poorly manufactured. There are 2000 issues now requiring repair.

Would it not make more sense, despite any additional delays, to just demand the subcontractor replace them? This speaks incredibly poorly to WMATA and MWAA's oversight.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/traffic/transit/Major-Concrete-Issues-Found-in-Silver-Line-Metro-Extension-480829661.html?amp=y&__twitter_impression=true
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:34 pm

DSFTEBMNZ wrote:
A question for the knowledgable here:

DCA is slot and perimeter constrained. Is it also constrained by regulation in terms of aircraft size and destination?


The perimeter rule is a de facto regulation of destinations. Slots also vary; some are specific for commuter aircraft.

I have been looking every week at the construction in the new "Commuter World" (which is what DCA Ground Control and pilots seem to call it) in terms of the time required (4 years from planning to first operation) and the money spent on it, and am wondering what would happen to the facility if all the smaller RJs were replaced in the next 3-5 years by E-170/190s or CR9s, all of which park at mainline gates.


The design for the new concourse is based on E-170/175 as the maximum aircraft size.

Could every commercial flight coming into DCA be a 757-300 or an A321 if the market warrants it, or is there some regulation somewhere which caps the number of big planes coming in?

Could American become all mainline at DCA by cutting out any destination that does not warrant at least A319 service? We saw the growth effects of the WN slot swap with 737-only service. Are there regulations which prevent American from doing something similar, not serving the smaller destinations?

I've read reams of FAA and MWAA documents, but can't get a satisfactory answer. Any clues from Netters would be great.


No, based on current law, you couldn't have an all-mainline operation at DCA. And the new commuter concourse wouldn't be able to support that, either.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:59 pm

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Many of the concrete panels for the Metro extension were poorly manufactured. There are 2000 issues now requiring repair.

Would it not make more sense, despite any additional delays, to just demand the subcontractor replace them? This speaks incredibly poorly to WMATA and MWAA's oversight.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/traffic/transit/Major-Concrete-Issues-Found-in-Silver-Line-Metro-Extension-480829661.html?amp=y&__twitter_impression=true

The article says the contractor is being required to replace them, but I'm sure they'll seek restitution from the sub. While I'm not much of a defender of WMATA, I'm not sure what responsibility they hold in this situation (if any), since the project is being led by MWAA. If anything can be screwed up, the MWAA certainly seems to be able to find a way.

While only about 180 panels apparently need replacement, the remaining 1500 can be treated every ten years. While that's far less than ideal, particularly considering one would expect to get their money's worth on a new project, at least it would keep the project completion on target.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:05 pm

BA is adding a 3rd daily flight to/from LHR on Mon, Thurs and Sat from October 29 on the 787. The flight will arrive at 9:30PM to IAD and depart at 11:30PM.

I wonder if BA is adding this flight because of competition with Primera Air starting STN-IAD flights in August? I suppose BA could also be adding capacity back that was lost when the A380 was swapped out for the 744.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... ington-dc/

List of all BA LHR-IAD flights: https://www.google.com/flights/#flt=LHR ... A;sd:1;t:f
List of all BA IAD-LHR flights: https://www.google.com/flights/#flt=IAD ... A;sd:1;t:f
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:01 pm

CapitalAvGeek wrote:
BA is adding a 3rd daily flight to/from LHR on Mon, Thurs and Sat from October 29 on the 787. The flight will arrive at 9:30PM to IAD and depart at 11:30PM.

I wonder if BA is adding this flight because of competition with Primera Air starting STN-IAD flights in August? I suppose BA could also be adding capacity back that was lost when the A380 was swapped out for the 744.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... ington-dc/

List of all BA LHR-IAD flights: https://www.google.com/flights/#flt=LHR ... A;sd:1;t:f
List of all BA IAD-LHR flights: https://www.google.com/flights/#flt=IAD ... A;sd:1;t:f

That's interesting they're adding another evening flight instead of bringing back a daytime flight. Last summer they operated the A380 off and on, but I guess that won't happen now that they're adding a third daily some days?
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:35 am

CapitalAvGeek wrote:
United today said that they see an opportunity to grow at Dulles. I see room to grow in new Mid-Atlantic markets such as BYH, PHF, AVL, AVP, and ABE. In most of these cities, AA and DL have multiple flights a day to their hubs with only a couple having service to EWR or ORD.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... es-447820/

I have recently seen UA upgage a few flights out of IAD and see more in the summer schedule. Currently, one flight on IAD-JAX upgauged to a 737, one flight on IAD-CVG upgaged to an A320 and one flight on IAD-PIT upgaged to an A320. During the summer 2 daily flights on IAD-PWM upgauged to mainline and 1 flight on IAD-PHL.

I could also see them adding markets like MHT, LIT, BGR, CHA, BHM, MKE, and PNS, with markets like MSN and SBN being a stretch, but possible.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:49 am

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I could also see them adding markets like MHT, LIT, BGR, CHA, BHM, MKE, and PNS, with markets like MSN and SBN being a stretch, but possible.


I agree that the lack of IAD-MKE nonstop service is a huge hole since MKE is one of the largest markets that doesn't have any nonstop service to IAD. UA also has nonstop service to most of the other major Midwestern destinations from IAD, including ORD, CVG, CLE, CMH, DTW, IND, MCI, MSP, and STL. WN is also currently the only airline to serve Washington, DC nonstop from MKE, and WN serves DCA and BWI nonstop from MKE.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:36 am

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N292UX wrote:
I could also see them adding markets like MHT, LIT, BGR, CHA, BHM, MKE, and PNS, with markets like MSN and SBN being a stretch, but possible.


I agree that the lack of IAD-MKE nonstop service is a huge hole since MKE is one of the largest markets that doesn't have any nonstop service to IAD. UA also has nonstop service to most of the other major Midwestern destinations from IAD, including ORD, CVG, CLE, CMH, DTW, IND, MCI, MSP, and STL. WN is also currently the only airline to serve Washington, DC nonstop from MKE, and WN serves DCA and BWI nonstop from MKE.

Seems kind of crazy that the only MKE service to DCA/IAD is on WN. For a market the size of MKE, there's definitely the room for more frequencies on different carriers as well. If UA doesn't start this one, it's one I could see AA freeing up a slot at DCA to launch
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:36 am

blockski wrote:
DSFTEBMNZ wrote:
A question for the knowledgable here:

DCA is slot and perimeter constrained. Is it also constrained by regulation in terms of aircraft size and destination?


The perimeter rule is a de facto regulation of destinations. Slots also vary; some are specific for commuter aircraft.

I have been looking every week at the construction in the new "Commuter World" (which is what DCA Ground Control and pilots seem to call it) in terms of the time required (4 years from planning to first operation) and the money spent on it, and am wondering what would happen to the facility if all the smaller RJs were replaced in the next 3-5 years by E-170/190s or CR9s, all of which park at mainline gates.


The design for the new concourse is based on E-170/175 as the maximum aircraft size.

Could every commercial flight coming into DCA be a 757-300 or an A321 if the market warrants it, or is there some regulation somewhere which caps the number of big planes coming in?

Could American become all mainline at DCA by cutting out any destination that does not warrant at least A319 service? We saw the growth effects of the WN slot swap with 737-only service. Are there regulations which prevent American from doing something similar, not serving the smaller destinations?

I've read reams of FAA and MWAA documents, but can't get a satisfactory answer. Any clues from Netters would be great.


No, based on current law, you couldn't have an all-mainline operation at DCA. And the new commuter concourse wouldn't be able to support that, either.


Here’s a summary of DCA's slot allocation.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/650/648219.pdf#page24

“Air Carrier” slots can be used by any sized aircraft, but the “commuter” slots are limited to 76 seats or less.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:43 am

atcsundevil wrote:
While only about 180 panels apparently need replacement, the remaining 1500 can be treated every ten years. While that's far less than ideal, particularly considering one would expect to get their money's worth on a new project, at least it would keep the project completion on target.


Given WMATA's record on maintenance, do you want to bet these panels get treated every ten years?
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:29 am

blockski wrote:
blockski wrote:
DSFTEBMNZ wrote:
A question for the knowledgable here:

DCA is slot and perimeter constrained. Is it also constrained by regulation in terms of aircraft size and destination?


The perimeter rule is a de facto regulation of destinations. Slots also vary; some are specific for commuter aircraft.

I have been looking every week at the construction in the new "Commuter World" (which is what DCA Ground Control and pilots seem to call it) in terms of the time required (4 years from planning to first operation) and the money spent on it, and am wondering what would happen to the facility if all the smaller RJs were replaced in the next 3-5 years by E-170/190s or CR9s, all of which park at mainline gates.


The design for the new concourse is based on E-170/175 as the maximum aircraft size.

Could every commercial flight coming into DCA be a 757-300 or an A321 if the market warrants it, or is there some regulation somewhere which caps the number of big planes coming in?

Could American become all mainline at DCA by cutting out any destination that does not warrant at least A319 service? We saw the growth effects of the WN slot swap with 737-only service. Are there regulations which prevent American from doing something similar, not serving the smaller destinations?

I've read reams of FAA and MWAA documents, but can't get a satisfactory answer. Any clues from Netters would be great.


No, based on current law, you couldn't have an all-mainline operation at DCA. And the new commuter concourse wouldn't be able to support that, either.


Here’s a summary of DCA's slot allocation.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/650/648219.pdf#page24

“Air Carrier” slots can be used by any sized aircraft, but the “commuter” slots are limited to 76 seats or less.



I didn't realize EWR had slots. Good info.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:31 am

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Given WMATA's record on maintenance, do you want to bet these panels get treated every ten years?

They might, but if/when they do, you can bet that they'll be single-tracking for about a year to complete it.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:18 am

atcsundevil wrote:
LOWS wrote:
Given WMATA's record on maintenance, do you want to bet these panels get treated every ten years?

They might, but if/when they do, you can bet that they'll be single-tracking for about a year to complete it.


Given WMATA's record, I don't even expect those 180 bad panels to get swapped out.
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:51 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
blockski wrote:
blockski wrote:

The perimeter rule is a de facto regulation of destinations. Slots also vary; some are specific for commuter aircraft.



The design for the new concourse is based on E-170/175 as the maximum aircraft size.



No, based on current law, you couldn't have an all-mainline operation at DCA. And the new commuter concourse wouldn't be able to support that, either.


Here’s a summary of DCA's slot allocation.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/650/648219.pdf#page24

“Air Carrier” slots can be used by any sized aircraft, but the “commuter” slots are limited to 76 seats or less.



I didn't realize EWR had slots. Good info.


I think EWR is no longer under slot control. That document is from 2012, before the last round of DCA slot changes.

I also believe they've adjusted the definition of a 'commuter' slot at DCA. It used to be only 50 seat jets or up to 76 seat turboprops, but now it's just anything under 76 seats.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:36 pm

blockski wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
blockski wrote:

Here’s a summary of DCA's slot allocation.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/650/648219.pdf#page24

“Air Carrier” slots can be used by any sized aircraft, but the “commuter” slots are limited to 76 seats or less.



I didn't realize EWR had slots. Good info.


I think EWR is no longer under slot control. That document is from 2012, before the last round of DCA slot changes.

I also believe they've adjusted the definition of a 'commuter' slot at DCA. It used to be only 50 seat jets or up to 76 seat turboprops, but now it's just anything under 76 seats.

Correct, EWR is no longer slot controlled. It hasn't been for a few years now. It goes back and forth, so it's probably a matter of time before it's slot controlled again.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed May 02, 2018 5:29 pm

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LOWS wrote:
Given WMATA's record on maintenance, do you want to bet these panels get treated every ten years?

They might, but if/when they do, you can bet that they'll be single-tracking for about a year to complete it.


#MetroSucks

I suspect this has been discussed a million times, but I'm still mystified why they didn't build extra tracks on the above-ground portion (which has plenty of right-of-way space) for an airport express train. The cost of the every-decade sealant probably would have covered this!

And the Silver line currently doesn't have enough ridership to break even. I don't think a, what?, 12?, more? stop trip from Foggy Bottom to the airport will be all that attractive for tourists or business travelers.
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 5:32 pm

I'm wondering if anyone has any info on how UA 122/123 does? These are the daytime IAD-LHR flights on a 752.
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 5:54 pm

SRT75 wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
LOWS wrote:
Given WMATA's record on maintenance, do you want to bet these panels get treated every ten years?

They might, but if/when they do, you can bet that they'll be single-tracking for about a year to complete it.


#MetroSucks

I suspect this has been discussed a million times, but I'm still mystified why they didn't build extra tracks on the above-ground portion (which has plenty of right-of-way space) for an airport express train. The cost of the every-decade sealant probably would have covered this!

And the Silver line currently doesn't have enough ridership to break even. I don't think a, what?, 12?, more? stop trip from Foggy Bottom to the airport will be all that attractive for tourists or business travelers.


For whatever reason when METRO was conceived bypass trains were not envisioned. I'm guessing no one in the 1960s saw the lines going out much past places like Vienna or Greenbelt. You'd think there would have been discussion of this for the Red Line out to Shady Grove but I guess not. No change out to Ashburn either. I'm thinking it has to do with the tunnels.

This why I don't see METRO as a real game changer for Dulles or Loudoun County. Times are sporadic and service is constantly slowed by single-tracking (especially during non-peak periods) there's no sense in taking it vs. Uber/Lyft or your own car. The honeymoon will be short, I guarantee it.

Almost wish the old W&OD rail track wasn't turned into a long bike path. That would have been a great commuter rail line going right through the high growth areas of Fairfax and Loudoun stopping at the door step of Leesburg, Ashburn, Reston, Vienna and Falls Church. Oh well.
 
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Wed May 02, 2018 6:24 pm

SRT75 wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
LOWS wrote:
Given WMATA's record on maintenance, do you want to bet these panels get treated every ten years?

They might, but if/when they do, you can bet that they'll be single-tracking for about a year to complete it.


#MetroSucks

I suspect this has been discussed a million times, but I'm still mystified why they didn't build extra tracks on the above-ground portion (which has plenty of right-of-way space) for an airport express train. The cost of the every-decade sealant probably would have covered this!

And the Silver line currently doesn't have enough ridership to break even. I don't think a, what?, 12?, more? stop trip from Foggy Bottom to the airport will be all that attractive for tourists or business travelers.


They didn't build extra tracks because there's no real need for them.

Express tracks add capacity; they don't actually increase service speed. WMATA's suburban stations are so far apart as it is that the average speed is already quite fast.

I think the full journey to-from the airport will attract some riders. It's a long journey, but the airport is far away. And it will be quite attractive for people in Arlington or Tysons.

Compare the Silver Line to CTA's Blue Line to ORD. CTA advertises 45 minutes to the loop; the EIS for the Silver Line showed 52 minutes from Metro Center to Dulles. And that's for a longer trip than CTA, too.
 
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I'm wondering if anyone has any info on how UA 122/123 does? These are the daytime IAD-LHR flights on a 752.


I suspect it does ok, as it's been around a long time. Before the merger, it was a 763. I've only taken it a few times (and never up front), so while the loads were normal for IAD-LHR I can't speak for what the likely yields were.
 
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Thu May 03, 2018 1:35 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
[For whatever reason when METRO was conceived bypass trains were not envisioned. I'm guessing no one in the 1960s saw the lines going out much past places like Vienna or Greenbelt. You'd think there would have been discussion of this for the Red Line out to Shady Grove but I guess not. No change out to Ashburn either. I'm thinking it has to do with the tunnels.


On the contrary, Metro's official plan (the "Adopted Regional System") did indeed envision lines going out to Dulles, Centreville, Bowie, Laurel, Germantown, and others: http://ddotfiles.com/maps/DCMetroMaps/1970/

As far as the lack of bypass tracks, the reason they weren't included is because they're not cost-effective. They're only justified when you need the extra tracks for both capacity and speed, not just speed. The single biggest determinant of speed is station spacing, and Metro's station spacing is already very wide.

This why I don't see METRO as a real game changer for Dulles or Loudoun County. Times are sporadic and service is constantly slowed by single-tracking (especially during non-peak periods) there's no sense in taking it vs. Uber/Lyft or your own car. The honeymoon will be short, I guarantee it.


For Loudoun, Metro will be what they make of it. It's not a transportation solution, it's a question of how they manage the land around the Metro stations. If they're smart, they'll leverage their two stations to support walkable, urban development around them and make them the focus areas for their community (as Arlington did along their sections of Metro). Metro can be the catalyst to change the kind of place that Loudoun County is, to add something they don't have much of (walkable development), and to provide a key commuting option for nearby residents to access major local jobs centers.

If they just rely on them to be park and rides, then no, not much will change.

For Dulles, I don't think it will be a 'game changer' but it doesn't need to be. It will certainly help. Access to the airport for those close to the station will dramatically improve (another selling point for that Loudoun transit-oriented development). Access from the core of the region will certainly be better than it is today - and it might just make a bit of a difference in attracting marginal O/D traffic that would otherwise choose a different location.

WMATA's track work is an issue, but they're dealing with that. And don't short-change the level of service - Regular WMATA service will be much more frequent than MARC to BWI, for example.

And the reason to take it vs. Uber of Lyft should be obvious - cost.

Almost wish the old W&OD rail track wasn't turned into a long bike path. That would have been a great commuter rail line going right through the high growth areas of Fairfax and Loudoun stopping at the door step of Leesburg, Ashburn, Reston, Vienna and Falls Church. Oh well.


Yep. Alas, so many American cities could've had much greater transit networks had they been able to simply preserve what was already there and not rip it all out in the 50s and 60s. We were this close to having some great assets to build upon instead of starting over from scratch.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon May 14, 2018 1:29 pm

Lots of discussion about this in other threads, but I thought this would be worth discussing here:
https://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.com ... k-changes/

UA shifting some connecting traffic from EWR to IAD. I think this is great news for IAD; and a strong signal of UA's intent to grow at Dulles and do so with additional domestic connecting traffic.

MWAA has their board meetings this week and I'll be curious to hear what they have to say about this.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon May 14, 2018 1:47 pm

blockski wrote:
Lots of discussion about this in other threads, but I thought this would be worth discussing here:
https://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.com ... k-changes/

UA shifting some connecting traffic from EWR to IAD. I think this is great news for IAD; and a strong signal of UA's intent to grow at Dulles and do so with additional domestic connecting traffic.

MWAA has their board meetings this week and I'll be curious to hear what they have to say about this.


Smart move IMHO. But from that article, it seems like a lot more increased service at EWR than new service at IAD... only three routes switching over. I hope it continues and then if proven successful, UA will look at the C/D replacement.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon May 14, 2018 2:32 pm

United787 wrote:
blockski wrote:
Lots of discussion about this in other threads, but I thought this would be worth discussing here:
https://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.com ... k-changes/

UA shifting some connecting traffic from EWR to IAD. I think this is great news for IAD; and a strong signal of UA's intent to grow at Dulles and do so with additional domestic connecting traffic.

MWAA has their board meetings this week and I'll be curious to hear what they have to say about this.


Smart move IMHO. But from that article, it seems like a lot more increased service at EWR than new service at IAD... only three routes switching over. I hope it continues and then if proven successful, UA will look at the C/D replacement.


Yes, not much new service announced yet, but a lot of equipment upgrades. All mainline to RDU and BDL is quite a jump from a few years ago, for example.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon May 14, 2018 2:34 pm

And speaking of MWAA board meetings, blockski, to you know why it takes so long for them to post minutes from previous meetings? The most recent one on their website is from the February meeting.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon May 14, 2018 2:43 pm

LoudounHound wrote:
And speaking of MWAA board meetings, blockski, to you know why it takes so long for them to post minutes from previous meetings? The most recent one on their website is from the February meeting.


They usually post the minutes from last month's meetings with this month's meeting materials (presumably because they have to approve the minutes from the previous meeting).

The materials for the May 16 Board Meeting, by the way, are now up online (and include the minutes from the April meetings): http://www.mwaa.com/about/may-16-2018-b ... e-meetings
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue May 15, 2018 4:59 am

Was there any damage tonight at IAD?

I know Loudon and Fairfax were under tornado warnings tonight, were there any actual sightings?
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue May 15, 2018 5:56 am

ORF is getting new service from F9 starting in August with two flights a week to DEN and MCO.

UA is also starting non-stop daily A319 service from OFF to DEN so it will be interesting to see how Frontier does.
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 12:09 am

ElroyJetson wrote:
ORF is getting new service from F9 starting in August with two flights a week to DEN and MCO.

UA is also starting non-stop daily A319 service from OFF to DEN so it will be interesting to see how Frontier does.


The UA service will give us more single-connect options to the Midwest and West Coast, places that have DEN nonstops but not IAD, ATL, PHL, ORD or DFW service.

Since their conversion to a ULCC, does Frontier still sell connections in Denver? If not, then both the DEN and MCO flights will have to hit it out of the park profit-wise because they're probably routing a Denver-based plane DEN-ORF-MCO-ORF-DEN, and as soon as they figure out they can make more money with that plane somewhere else they'll skip town again.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 12:17 am

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Was there any damage tonight at IAD?

I know Loudon and Fairfax were under tornado warnings tonight, were there any actual sightings?


Nope. Hail missed us luckily. Aside from the initial gust front, winds weren’t too bad either. No tornado in the area that I know of. Though we were under a warning, meaning visible rotation on the radar. But AFAIK, there were no tornadoes spotted.
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 4:51 am

vatveng wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:
ORF is getting new service from F9 starting in August with two flights a week to DEN and MCO.

UA is also starting non-stop daily A319 service from OFF to DEN so it will be interesting to see how Frontier does.


The UA service will give us more single-connect options to the Midwest and West Coast, places that have DEN nonstops but not IAD, ATL, PHL, ORD or DFW service.

Since their conversion to a ULCC, does Frontier still sell connections in Denver? If not, then both the DEN and MCO flights will have to hit it out of the park profit-wise because they're probably routing a Denver-based plane DEN-ORF-MCO-ORF-DEN, and as soon as they figure out they can make more money with that plane somewhere else they'll skip town again.



I would tend to agree with you. I think the UA ORF-DEN service will be very successful, but I am not real convinced about Frontier.

F9 seems to often take a let's throw a bunch of darts at a board to see what will stick approach. If things are not immediately successful then bu -bye. I hope they stick around at ORF but I am dubious.
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 8:07 pm

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Given WMATA's record on maintenance, do you want to bet these panels get treated every ten years?

They might, but if/when they do, you can bet that they'll be single-tracking for about a year to complete it.


Given WMATA's record, I don't even expect those 180 bad panels to get swapped out.


So more on the defective panels. There is, predictably, a lawsuit: https://twitter.com/faizsays/status/996841232134438915
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 8:45 pm

More from today's MWAA Board Meeting.

Growth at Dulles is faster than expected, which is bringing costs down faster than expected, too. MWAA's CEO is now projecting that IAD's CPE will fall below $17 this year, the lowest for IAD since 2010.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ll-448659/

Traffic at IAD is up 5.3% year over year, and UA's seats at IAD are up 12.7% since they bottomed out in 2015.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 8:46 pm

The official Routes.com announcement of the new F9 ORF flights to DEN and MCO.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... additions/
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 8:36 pm

Another tidbit from the MWAA board meetings, this one about MWAA's top air service development targets for IAD:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... rv-448701/

The top long-haul targets are TLV and PVG. MWAA contends that IAD is the largest unserved US route to/from PVG. They note that bilateral frequencies are a challenge here.

In the Americas, they're looking to add additional South American service and would love to see LATAM return, perhaps with a different route other than Lima.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 7:18 pm

So, I was thinking about the lack of service between SAN and DCA and how it requires "an act of congress" to free up new slots and exemptions.

I wonder if any thought has been given to allowing additional slots/exemptions on Saturdays. IIRC, they do this at LGA on Saturdays. I know from experience that several airlines run a reduced schedule at DCA on Saturdays. Why not open up the perimeter for 6 or 12 or 18 additional slots on Saturdays? DCA-SAN, DCA-SJU (setting aside the existing SJU flight on B6), DCA-AUA?
 
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Wed May 23, 2018 7:28 pm

washingtonflyer wrote:
So, I was thinking about the lack of service between SAN and DCA and how it requires "an act of congress" to free up new slots and exemptions.

I wonder if any thought has been given to allowing additional slots/exemptions on Saturdays. IIRC, they do this at LGA on Saturdays. I know from experience that several airlines run a reduced schedule at DCA on Saturdays. Why not open up the perimeter for 6 or 12 or 18 additional slots on Saturdays? DCA-SAN, DCA-SJU (setting aside the existing SJU flight on B6), DCA-AUA?


Why? This would also require an act of Congress.

MWAA successfully fought off changes to the perimeter rule in the most recent FAA reauthorization which passed the House on a strongly bipartisan basis in April: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/politics ... index.html

Furthermore, MWAA has triggers built into the new Use and Lease agreements with the airlines that allow them to change the terms of the leases at DCA and IAD should there be any changes to the perimeter rule. For each new slot pair that would be added, they can send more money from DCA to IAD. If the rule were repealed in full, they can totally re-negotiate the leases for all airlines at DCA and IAD.

That's a long way of saying - it's not going to happen. MWAA doesn't want it to happen because it's extraordinarily disruptive to their efforts for long-term planning. They've convinced the regional congressional delegation of this, and they can throw blocks on any changes in Congress. And they've essentially got a hook into their tenants at both IAD and DCA to keep rooting for the status quo.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed May 23, 2018 7:34 pm

washingtonflyer wrote:
So, I was thinking about the lack of service between SAN and DCA and how it requires "an act of congress" to free up new slots and exemptions.

I wonder if any thought has been given to allowing additional slots/exemptions on Saturdays. IIRC, they do this at LGA on Saturdays. I know from experience that several airlines run a reduced schedule at DCA on Saturdays. Why not open up the perimeter for 6 or 12 or 18 additional slots on Saturdays? DCA-SAN, DCA-SJU (setting aside the existing SJU flight on B6), DCA-AUA?


Even though LGA does have perimeter restrictions on weekdays and Sundays, domestic destinations beyond the LGA perimeter can be served nonstop from LGA on Saturdays. WN currently has seasonal Saturday-only nonstop service to LGA from PHX, and PHX is not located within the LGA perimeter.

WN might be willing to serve additional beyond-perimeter destinations nonstop on a Saturday-only basis if the law is changed to allow beyond-perimeter nonstop service out of DCA on Saturdays. WN also already has a large customer base in the Washington, D.C. area to support Saturday-only nonstop service to beyond-perimeter destinations out of DCA if the law is changed to allow beyond-perimeter nonstop service out of DCA on Saturdays since WN has its 2nd largest focus city at BWI and since WN already has nonstop service to some destinations outside of the DCA perimeter out of BWI.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu May 24, 2018 3:37 pm

Here's an article discussing the proposal to build a pedestrian bridge between Crystal City and DCA, connecting the airport to the Mount Vernon trail as well as a soon-to-be re-built VRE station.

https://ggwash.org/view/67733/the-cc2dc ... he-airport

Here's a link to the full report:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... _small.pdf

I think this is a fantastic concept, and one that MWAA should embrace fully. It's a huge opportunity to better link the airport to the surrounding neighborhood and business district, not to mention the improved transportation connections.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri May 25, 2018 1:06 am

A bridge like that is going to be close to 1/3 mile in length. I'm not sure how feasible this would be...
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri May 25, 2018 2:58 am

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Given WMATA's record on maintenance, do you want to bet these panels get treated every ten years?

They might, but if/when they do, you can bet that they'll be single-tracking for about a year to complete it.


#MetroSucks

I suspect this has been discussed a million times, but I'm still mystified why they didn't build extra tracks on the above-ground portion (which has plenty of right-of-way space) for an airport express train. The cost of the every-decade sealant probably would have covered this!

And the Silver line currently doesn't have enough ridership to break even. I don't think a, what?, 12?, more? stop trip from Foggy Bottom to the airport will be all that attractive for tourists or business travelers.


The Silver Line ridership will improve dramatically in the coming years, especially after Phase II opens. Right now, there is only one station that serves Loudoun/Herndon/Reston, and it's a pain in the butt to get to. Coming from Loudoun County, it takes almost as long to get to the Wiehle Reston station as it does for the Silver Line to take you from there to downtown.

2 of the Tysons stations are also built for future traffic, much the way the stations in Arlington were. There wasn't anything at Ballston or Clarendon when those stations were built. They drew development. Take a ride on the Silver Line and you'll see nothing but construction cranes around the Greensboro station. There's a lot of planned development around the Spring Hill station too. Those stations will pick up a lot of riders in the coming years.

As for airport traffic, the Silver Line will never compare to what DCA has. But that's not to say people won't use it. There's plenty of people who already use the Silver Line Express bus to Wiehle. I would think it will be a nice option for people from Tysons and Reston to get to Dulles.
 
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Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri May 25, 2018 4:20 am

blockski wrote:
Here's an article discussing the proposal to build a pedestrian bridge between Crystal City and DCA, connecting the airport to the Mount Vernon trail as well as a soon-to-be re-built VRE station.

...

I think this is a fantastic concept, and one that MWAA should embrace fully. It's a huge opportunity to better link the airport to the surrounding neighborhood and business district, not to mention the improved transportation connections.


Yes this would be wonderful! !! There is a bike trail I occasionally walk for a DCA flight -- from Crystal City Dr at the Water Park under the train tracks and GW Parkway, then up Mt. Vernon trail where you can get to the terminal. But it is a good 20 minute or longer walk with luggage. A bridge from Crystal city would be ideal... and save a lot of people an Uber or a parking fee.
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