Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2018

travaz · Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:16 pm

These numbers in PHX are for AA only. WN connect only about 144,000 in March. http://www.skyharbor.com/About/Informat ... Statistics
@777Phoenix I get your point I just found the numbers interesting for PHX. My original post was dealing with O&D. Thanks for the info!
March 2018
AA Total Pax : 981,561
AA O&D : 526,034 53%
AA Connect : 403,261 41%
AA International: 52,266 5%

July 2018
AA Total Pax : 926,017
AA O&D : 411,467 44%
AA Connect : 467,504 50%
AA International : 47,046 5%

acentauri · Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:46 am

cathay747 wrote:
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PHX is 868 from DFW not 700, so further apart than DL's hubs............

Sorry, my mistake. I foolishly assumed that everyone posting on anet (an aviation site), understood the nomenclature "nm". I hold my head in shame. :roll:

cathay747 · Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:35 pm

acentauri wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
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PHX is 868 from DFW not 700, so further apart than DL's hubs............

Sorry, my mistake. I foolishly assumed that everyone posting on anet (an aviation site), understood the nomenclature "nm". I hold my head in shame.

No my mistake, I didn't notice you put "nm" and I forgot that Great Circle Mapper defaults to statue. So I stand corrected with apologies. But I think the traffic figures quoted by others answers your question(s).

Those of us who rebut the idea of PHX being de-hubbed aren't doing it simply because some of us live here and don't want to see our home city de-hubbed. There are facts and figures which back-up AA keeping it as a hub.

cathay747 · Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:07 pm

Will gate 24 at T3N need to be restriped to take HA's 332 or is it already capable of handling one (because of DL?)?

wn676 · Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:14 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Will gate 24 at T3N need to be restriped to take HA's 332 or is it already capable of handling one (because of DL?)?

24 can handle the 332 today IIRC. NW used to park the 333/332 at that gate years ago and the stop mark still exists (rather ambiguously I might add, as “A330”).

T3N will eventually be completely reconfigured with common-use striping and I believe new jetbridges. Additionally the apron will be reconstructed (the PCC is very old in this area) and additonal in-ground hydrant pits will be installed to better facilitate fueling at certain reconfigured gates. There are, I believe, 2 ADG-V Gates planned there.

alasizon · Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:53 am

wn676 wrote:
There are, I believe, 2 ADG-V Gates planned there.

Just curious, how long ago did you hear about two group V gates? My understanding was one group V and one group IV but its been a year or two since I last heard/saw anything about the redesign.

wn676 · Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:07 pm

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alasizon wrote:
wn676 wrote:
There are, I believe, 2 ADG-V Gates planned there.

Just curious, how long ago did you hear about two group V gates? My understanding was one group V and one group IV but its been a year or two since I last heard/saw anything about the redesign.

E8 and E7 are the two ADG-V gates. E4 and E10 will be full ADG-IV, and there are four others, E1/3/5/9 that will be 752/753-capable. The remaining two gates will be full ADG-III. This information is very recent.

On a side note, I really think there needs to be a distinction within the ADG-IV category between single and twin-aisle aircraft. Pet peeve of mine.

cathay747 · Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:44 pm

wn676 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Will gate 24 at T3N need to be restriped to take HA's 332 or is it already capable of handling one (because of DL?)?

24 can handle the 332 today IIRC. NW used to park the 333/332 at that gate years ago and the stop mark still exists (rather ambiguously I might add, as “A330”).

T3N will eventually be completely reconfigured with common-use striping and I believe new jetbridges. Additionally the apron will be reconstructed (the PCC is very old in this area) and additonal in-ground hydrant pits will be installed to better facilitate fueling at certain reconfigured gates. There are, I believe, 2 ADG-V Gates planned there.

OK, thanks. I figured it might already be, but was only thinking of DL...I didn't know NW brought 330's in here, that was WAY before I moved out here. With a single jetway I 'm hoping HA will use door 2L.

And can you explain please...what is the "PCC"?

MO11 · Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:42 pm

Plain Cement Concrete.

airzona11 · Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:29 pm

Is the new concourse for Terminal 4 still slotted for 2022? Would be great to get WN flights to Mexico before then.

cathay747 · Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:04 pm

MO11 wrote:
Plain Cement Concrete.

Ah. OK. Thanks. But this begs the question for those of us who don't know...PCC as opposed to...what? Asphalt? Cement Concrete with Chocolate Sprinkles? LOL Sorry but I'm just not familiar with the apparent types of concrete.

Skytrain777PHX · Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:32 pm

Widebody Flight Schedules:

11/17/18 & 11/24/18 (Both Saturday only)
PHL-PHX 332 AA531 8:00AM-11:15AM
PHX-HNL 332 AA694 2:59PM- 6:46PM
HNL-PHX 332 AA693 10:05PM- 7:00AM (+1)

11/18/18 & 11/25/18 (Both Sunday only)
PHX-PHL 332 AA2168 8:51AM- 3:13PM

12/18/18 (Tuesday only)
PHL-PHX 333 AA1667 9:00PM-12:26AM (+1)

12/19/18 till 4/3/19 (Daily – Seasonal)
PHX-HNL 333 AA692 12:05PM- 4:00PM
HNL-PHX 333 AA693 10:40PM- 7:41AM (+1)

Don’t know 333 will return to either CLT, PHL, LAX or SFO with unscheduled flight from PHX on 4/4/19?

3/31/19 till 10/26/19 (Daily – Seasonal)
LHR-PHX 772 AA195 9:30AM-12:30PM
PHX-LHR 772 AA194 3:00PM- 9:20AM (+1)

alasizon · Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:54 pm

airzona11 wrote:
Is the new concourse for Terminal 4 still slotted for 2022? Would be great to get WN flights to Mexico before then.

As of now, yes. However the timeline may change as we get closer. Even if WN wanted to add flights to Mexico, it would have to be at less than stellar times as the INTL gates are getting pretty busy.

wn676 · Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:29 am

cathay747 wrote:
MO11 wrote:
Plain Cement Concrete.

Ah. OK. Thanks. But this begs the question for those of us who don't know...PCC as opposed to...what? Asphalt? Cement Concrete with Chocolate Sprinkles? LOL Sorry but I'm just not familiar with the apparent types of concrete.

Close, it’s Portland Cement Concrete.

Portland cement is a binder, as is asphalt; the combination of these binders and aggregate is what constitutes concrete. What you would typically call asphalt is actually known asphalt concrete, or AC which you will see often in construction documents as well when referring to pavements.

Raventech · Thu Sep 06, 2018 4:15 am

wn676 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
MO11 wrote:
Plain Cement Concrete.

Ah. OK. Thanks. But this begs the question for those of us who don't know...PCC as opposed to...what? Asphalt? Cement Concrete with Chocolate Sprinkles? LOL Sorry but I'm just not familiar with the apparent types of concrete.

Close, it’s Portland Cement Concrete.

Portland cement is a binder, as is asphalt; the combination of these binders and aggregate is what constitutes concrete. What you would typically call asphalt is actually known asphalt concrete, or AC which you will see often in construction documents as well when referring to pavements.

To augment this, here's a nice video explaining the basics of you like how it's made type stuff

https://youtu.be/UOHURuAf5iY

cathay747 · Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:16 pm

wn676 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
MO11 wrote:
Plain Cement Concrete.

Ah. OK. Thanks. But this begs the question for those of us who don't know...PCC as opposed to...what? Asphalt? Cement Concrete with Chocolate Sprinkles? LOL Sorry but I'm just not familiar with the apparent types of concrete.

Close, it’s Portland Cement Concrete.

Portland cement is a binder, as is asphalt; the combination of these binders and aggregate is what constitutes concrete. What you would typically call asphalt is actually known asphalt concrete, or AC which you will see often in construction documents as well when referring to pavements.

Thanks for the enlightenment! Learn something new every day!

skyharborshome · Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:49 pm

Skytrain777PHX wrote:
Widebody Flight Schedules:

11/17/18 & 11/24/18 (Both Saturday only)
PHL-PHX 332 AA531 8:00AM-11:15AM
PHX-HNL 332 AA694 2:59PM- 6:46PM
HNL-PHX 332 AA693 10:05PM- 7:00AM (+1)

11/18/18 & 11/25/18 (Both Sunday only)
PHX-PHL 332 AA2168 8:51AM- 3:13PM

12/18/18 (Tuesday only)
PHL-PHX 333 AA1667 9:00PM-12:26AM (+1)

12/19/18 till 4/3/19 (Daily – Seasonal)
PHX-HNL 333 AA692 12:05PM- 4:00PM
HNL-PHX 333 AA693 10:40PM- 7:41AM (+1)

Don’t know 333 will return to either CLT, PHL, LAX or SFO with unscheduled flight from PHX on 4/4/19?

3/31/19 till 10/26/19 (Daily – Seasonal)
LHR-PHX 772 AA195 9:30AM-12:30PM
PHX-LHR 772 AA194 3:00PM- 9:20AM (+1)

Wow, what a difference a year makes. Then you have the HA 330 starting 12/31 or 1/1 (I forget) and DL 330 seasonal again starting 12/22. Finally some variety.

alasizon · Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:58 pm

skyharborshome wrote:
Skytrain777PHX wrote:
Widebody Flight Schedules:

11/17/18 & 11/24/18 (Both Saturday only)
PHL-PHX 332 AA531 8:00AM-11:15AM
PHX-HNL 332 AA694 2:59PM- 6:46PM
HNL-PHX 332 AA693 10:05PM- 7:00AM (+1)

11/18/18 & 11/25/18 (Both Sunday only)
PHX-PHL 332 AA2168 8:51AM- 3:13PM

12/18/18 (Tuesday only)
PHL-PHX 333 AA1667 9:00PM-12:26AM (+1)

12/19/18 till 4/3/19 (Daily – Seasonal)
PHX-HNL 333 AA692 12:05PM- 4:00PM
HNL-PHX 333 AA693 10:40PM- 7:41AM (+1)

Don’t know 333 will return to either CLT, PHL, LAX or SFO with unscheduled flight from PHX on 4/4/19?

3/31/19 till 10/26/19 (Daily – Seasonal)
LHR-PHX 772 AA195 9:30AM-12:30PM
PHX-LHR 772 AA194 3:00PM- 9:20AM (+1)

Wow, what a difference a year makes. Then you have the HA 330 starting 12/31 or 1/1 (I forget) and DL 330 seasonal again starting 12/22. Finally some variety.

The HNL 330 is routed via CLT again this year. Additionally, AA is going to be adding some more domestic widebody flights via PHX.

cathay747 · Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:04 pm

alasizon wrote:
skyharborshome wrote:
Skytrain777PHX wrote:
Widebody Flight Schedules:

11/17/18 & 11/24/18 (Both Saturday only)
PHL-PHX 332 AA531 8:00AM-11:15AM
PHX-HNL 332 AA694 2:59PM- 6:46PM
HNL-PHX 332 AA693 10:05PM- 7:00AM (+1)

11/18/18 & 11/25/18 (Both Sunday only)
PHX-PHL 332 AA2168 8:51AM- 3:13PM

12/18/18 (Tuesday only)
PHL-PHX 333 AA1667 9:00PM-12:26AM (+1)

12/19/18 till 4/3/19 (Daily – Seasonal)
PHX-HNL 333 AA692 12:05PM- 4:00PM
HNL-PHX 333 AA693 10:40PM- 7:41AM (+1)

Don’t know 333 will return to either CLT, PHL, LAX or SFO with unscheduled flight from PHX on 4/4/19?

3/31/19 till 10/26/19 (Daily – Seasonal)
LHR-PHX 772 AA195 9:30AM-12:30PM
PHX-LHR 772 AA194 3:00PM- 9:20AM (+1)

Wow, what a difference a year makes. Then you have the HA 330 starting 12/31 or 1/1 (I forget) and DL 330 seasonal again starting 12/22. Finally some variety.

The HNL 330 is routed via CLT again this year. Additionally, AA is going to be adding some more domestic widebody flights via PHX.

Huh? Schedule above, which I just confirmed in Amadeus, shows PHL...what do you mean about CLT? <confused>

And what's this about additional widebodies at PHX??? DO TELL!! <eager minds want to know!! LOL>

alasizon · Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:13 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Huh? Schedule above, which I just confirmed in Amadeus, shows PHL...what do you mean about CLT? <confused>

And what's this about additional widebodies at PHX??? DO TELL!! <eager minds want to know!! LOL>

PHL is how the 1st plane gets to PHX but the actual routing from the 19th on is HNL-PHX-CLT and then CLT-PHX-HNL.

As far as the added WB, it should be loaded in GDS sometime soon.

wn676 · Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:18 pm

alasizon wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Huh? Schedule above, which I just confirmed in Amadeus, shows PHL...what do you mean about CLT? <confused>

And what's this about additional widebodies at PHX??? DO TELL!! <eager minds want to know!! LOL>

As far as the added WB, it should be loaded in GDS sometime soon.

A surprising but welcome addition. Hope it lasts at least until LHR launches.

Skytrain777PHX · Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:21 pm

Will AA PHX-ORD gets one 788 r/t, all starting in January 2019? Is it true rumor?

cathay747 · Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:22 pm

alasizon wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Huh? Schedule above, which I just confirmed in Amadeus, shows PHL...what do you mean about CLT? <confused>

And what's this about additional widebodies at PHX??? DO TELL!! <eager minds want to know!! LOL>

PHL is how the 1st plane gets to PHX but the actual routing from the 19th on is HNL-PHX-CLT and then CLT-PHX-HNL.

As far as the added WB, it should be loaded in GDS sometime soon.

Oh I see...not in the schedule yet...looking at 20JAN and all but one CLT-PHX shows on 321's.

OK on the new WB but you can't say where from/to? GDS is a big place to search!! But I'll presume you can't say and presume it'll be from/to a hub.

skyharborshome · Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:09 pm

I already have two flights booked on the Delta 330. They have it starting on that Saturday the 22 (not on New Year's which is a 757). It makes going through ATL so much nicer. Man I wish we could have that plane all year.

chrisair · Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:29 pm

Maverick623 wrote:
A senior manager said earlier this year in an employee town hall that the A330 will not return to PHX again (there were several operational issues with the HNL flying last winter).

Skytrain777PHX wrote:
12/19/18 till 4/3/19 (Daily – Seasonal)
PHX-HNL 333 AA692 12:05PM- 4:00PM
HNL-PHX 333 AA693 10:40PM- 7:41AM (+1)

Don’t know 333 will return to either CLT, PHL, LAX or SFO with unscheduled flight from PHX on 4/4/19?

Guess the "senior manager" didn't have good information. :lol:

And yay about PHX-CLT being an A330.

grbauc · Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:06 pm

cathay747 wrote:
acentauri wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
.............
PHX is 868 from DFW not 700, so further apart than DL's hubs............

Sorry, my mistake. I foolishly assumed that everyone posting on anet (an aviation site), understood the nomenclature "nm". I hold my head in shame.

No my mistake, I didn't notice you put "nm" and I forgot that Great Circle Mapper defaults to statue. So I stand corrected with apologies. But I think the traffic figures quoted by others answers your question(s).

Those of us who rebut the idea of PHX being de-hubbed aren't doing it simply because some of us live here and don't want to see our home city de-hubbed. There are facts and figures which back-up AA keeping it as a hub.

My travel pattern is more International so PHX trips are rare. I also agree with you AA is not sucidal and will be keeping and be expanding PHX has opportunity and need determine.

Phoenix is too important in a space competitive western half of the country for AA.

cathay747 · Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:47 pm

chrisair wrote:
Maverick623 wrote:
A senior manager said earlier this year in an employee town hall that the A330 will not return to PHX again (there were several operational issues with the HNL flying last winter).

Skytrain777PHX wrote:
12/19/18 till 4/3/19 (Daily – Seasonal)
PHX-HNL 333 AA692 12:05PM- 4:00PM
HNL-PHX 333 AA693 10:40PM- 7:41AM (+1)

Don’t know 333 will return to either CLT, PHL, LAX or SFO with unscheduled flight from PHX on 4/4/19?

Guess the "senior manager" didn't have good information.

And yay about PHX-CLT being an A330.

Either that or they just changed their collective mind...maybe somebody made a good argument? And yes to CLT...any widebody op's are welcome!

777PHX · Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:03 pm

So, recent upgrades....

The second PHX-LHR goes daily on an AA 777.
PHX-HNL gets the A333 for a much longer period this year.
CLT-PHX gets the A333 for a much longer period.
HA upgrades the 767 to the A332 come 1/1.

Sorry folks, PHX is indeed dying. (Just goes to show you 99% of the maniacs on this website have no clue what they're talking about.....)

Will AA PHX-ORD gets one 788 r/t, all starting in January 2019? Is it true rumor?

I wouldn't bet against it, especially at that time of the year with everything going on from January to April. Phoenix has huge ties to the Chicago area.

cathay747 · Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:42 pm

777PHX wrote:
So, recent upgrades....

The second PHX-LHR goes daily on an AA 777.
PHX-HNL gets the A333 for a much longer period this year.
CLT-PHX gets the A333 for a much longer period.
HA upgrades the 767 to the A332 come 1/1.

Sorry folks, PHX is indeed dying. (Just goes to show you 99% of the maniacs on this website have no clue what they're talking about.....)

Will AA PHX-ORD gets one 788 r/t, all starting in January 2019? Is it true rumor?

I wouldn't bet against it, especially at that time of the year with everything going on from January to April. Phoenix has huge ties to the Chicago area.

SO TRUE!!

Given that they're putting 788's on ORD-CUN & DFW-CUN this winter, I wouldn't be surprised either! Lots of snowbirds! But...what are the huge ties to the CHI area you mention? Enquiring minds want to know.

910A · Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:05 pm

AA announces PHX-GRR seasonal. Taken from their Facebook page..
Our GRRowth is continuing! American Airlines announcing nonstop service from Grand Rapids to Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport beginning January 2019!

Service will be flown by a319.

777PHX · Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:53 pm

cathay747 wrote:
777PHX wrote:
So, recent upgrades....

The second PHX-LHR goes daily on an AA 777.
PHX-HNL gets the A333 for a much longer period this year.
CLT-PHX gets the A333 for a much longer period.
HA upgrades the 767 to the A332 come 1/1.

Sorry folks, PHX is indeed dying. (Just goes to show you 99% of the maniacs on this website have no clue what they're talking about.....)

Will AA PHX-ORD gets one 788 r/t, all starting in January 2019? Is it true rumor?

I wouldn't bet against it, especially at that time of the year with everything going on from January to April. Phoenix has huge ties to the Chicago area.

SO TRUE!!

Given that they're putting 788's on ORD-CUN & DFW-CUN this winter, I wouldn't be surprised either! Lots of snowbirds! But...what are the huge ties to the CHI area you mention? Enquiring minds want to know.

There's a ton of transplants out here that grew up in Chicago(and the midwest) and with the White Sox and Cubs out here during spring training, it's a pretty popular spring break destination for Chicagoans. Look at all of the Chicago based eateries out here now - Portillos, Lou Malnattis, Giordanos, Genos, Rosattis, etc.

cathay747 · Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:22 pm

777PHX wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
777PHX wrote:
So, recent upgrades....

The second PHX-LHR goes daily on an AA 777.
PHX-HNL gets the A333 for a much longer period this year.
CLT-PHX gets the A333 for a much longer period.
HA upgrades the 767 to the A332 come 1/1.

Sorry folks, PHX is indeed dying. (Just goes to show you 99% of the maniacs on this website have no clue what they're talking about.....)

I wouldn't bet against it, especially at that time of the year with everything going on from January to April. Phoenix has huge ties to the Chicago area.

SO TRUE!!

Given that they're putting 788's on ORD-CUN & DFW-CUN this winter, I wouldn't be surprised either! Lots of snowbirds! But...what are the huge ties to the CHI area you mention? Enquiring minds want to know.

There's a ton of transplants out here that grew up in Chicago(and the midwest) and with the White Sox and Cubs out here during spring training, it's a pretty popular spring break destination for Chicagoans. Look at all of the Chicago based eateries out here now - Portillos, Lou Malnattis, Giordanos, Genos, Rosattis, etc.

Oh duh...I totally forgot about the Sox & Cubs doing spring training here, but didn't know most of the rest; ironically I was born in the NW Burbs of CHI but that was LONG ago LOL lived most of my life in the DC area before moving out here almost 4yrs ago. I had NO idea that Portillos & Geno's was out here! Geno's as in the pizza restaurant? As in Geno's East???? LOVE both. Well this certainly explains part of the reason why AA has NINE DAILY FLIGHTS each way ORD/PHX/ORD! Didn't realize they had so many.

cathay747 · Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:25 pm

910A wrote:
AA announces PHX-GRR seasonal. Taken from their Facebook page..
Our GRRowth is continuing! American Airlines announcing nonstop service from Grand Rapids to Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport beginning January 2019!

Service will be flown by a319.

Well, not an EXCITING addition, but ANOTHER addition! Pretty good for a hub destined for the ash heap!

alasizon · Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:43 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Well, not an EXCITING addition, but ANOTHER addition! Pretty good for a hub destined for the ash heap!

Just curious, what is your criteria for an "exciting" addition given PHX-LHR has already been announced and PHX-Asia is nothing but a pipe dream at this point?

cathay747 · Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:42 pm

alasizon wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Well, not an EXCITING addition, but ANOTHER addition! Pretty good for a hub destined for the ash heap!

Just curious, what is your criteria for an "exciting" addition given PHX-LHR has already been announced and PHX-Asia is nothing but a pipe dream at this point?

Just that...the LHR announcement was exciting. I know Asia is a pipe dream and will never happen...I'm not heading down that well-beaten path if that's what you're thinking I meant! I guess I was trying to be a bit comical and it flopped.

777PHX · Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:53 pm

cathay747 wrote:
777PHX wrote:
cathay747 wrote:

SO TRUE!!

Given that they're putting 788's on ORD-CUN & DFW-CUN this winter, I wouldn't be surprised either! Lots of snowbirds! But...what are the huge ties to the CHI area you mention? Enquiring minds want to know.

There's a ton of transplants out here that grew up in Chicago(and the midwest) and with the White Sox and Cubs out here during spring training, it's a pretty popular spring break destination for Chicagoans. Look at all of the Chicago based eateries out here now - Portillos, Lou Malnattis, Giordanos, Genos, Rosattis, etc.

Oh duh...I totally forgot about the Sox & Cubs doing spring training here, but didn't know most of the rest; ironically I was born in the NW Burbs of CHI but that was LONG ago LOL lived most of my life in the DC area before moving out here almost 4yrs ago. I had NO idea that Portillos & Geno's was out here! Geno's as in the pizza restaurant? As in Geno's East???? LOVE both. Well this certainly explains part of the reason why AA has NINE DAILY FLIGHTS each way ORD/PHX/ORD! Didn't realize they had so many.

My wife grew up in the NW 'burbs too. Portillos has two locations(Shea/101 and Tempe Marketplace), Lou Mals just opened up their third location with five more coming, Ginos has a location in Arcadia and I think the Giordanos is in Glendale. We go to Chicago at least twice a year and usually on AA. I'd be thrilled to be able to do it on a 787.

chepos · Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:00 pm

PHX MSN was announced yesterday as well (internally as at least), opb by Mesa. Vasu Rajah had indeed stated PHX HNL last year experienced operational issues and they were evaluating alternatives to the 330. Because loads are were high they were certain a WB would return but possibly a 777, I guess that did not come to fruition.

cm642 · Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:26 pm

chepos wrote:
PHX MSN was announced yesterday as well (internally as at least), opb by Mesa. Vasu Rajah had indeed stated PHX HNL last year experienced operational issues and they were evaluating alternatives to the 330. Because loads are were high they were certain a WB would return but possibly a 777, I guess that did not come to fruition.

Didn't someone on this thread say that domestic schedules weren't usually finalized for the holidays until Oct/Nov. Just wondering, even if it's not a 777 or 788 I'm not complaining, when it comes to wide-bodies at PHX I'll take what we can get!

alasizon · Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:11 am

cm642 wrote:
chepos wrote:
PHX MSN was announced yesterday as well (internally as at least), opb by Mesa. Vasu Rajah had indeed stated PHX HNL last year experienced operational issues and they were evaluating alternatives to the 330. Because loads are were high they were certain a WB would return but possibly a 777, I guess that did not come to fruition.

Didn't someone on this thread say that domestic schedules weren't usually finalized for the holidays until Oct/Nov. Just wondering, even if it's not a 777 or 788 I'm not complaining, when it comes to wide-bodies at PHX I'll take what we can get!

Domestic WB is usually loaded about 100 days out. Domestic markets are finalized 90 days out even if the official final timings and equipment substitutions may not be done until closer to 60 days out. HNL was always likely going to be a 333 this winter but I would expect W19/20 forward will be a 777.

TripleA · Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:49 am

chepos wrote:
PHX MSN was announced yesterday as well (internally as at least), opb by Mesa. Vasu Rajah had indeed stated PHX HNL last year experienced operational issues and they were evaluating alternatives to the 330. Because loads are were high they were certain a WB would return but possibly a 777, I guess that did not come to fruition.

That's a long flight on a CR9

BMIMSNPHX · Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:25 am

chepos wrote:
PHX MSN was announced yesterday as well (internally as at least), opb by Mesa.

Exciting news! Great to finally see legacy non-stop on this route. The AA/F9 battle will be interesting to witness. I used to travel this route quite often, always wished there was a n/s. Crazy there are now two carriers on the route.

cathay747 wrote:
Hoping it's a little more exciting than PHX-MSN!

I am entitled to my own opinion.

Mboyle1988 · Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:50 am

Would be nice to have MSN and especially GRR year round. I am personally waiting for JAX, BDL, ALB, and either ORF or RIC. Not sure if any will happen but I’m hopeful.

cathay747 · Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:50 pm

BMIMSNPHX wrote:
chepos wrote:
PHX MSN was announced yesterday as well (internally as at least), opb by Mesa.

Exciting news! Great to finally see legacy non-stop on this route. The AA/F9 battle will be interesting to witness. I used to travel this route quite often, always wished there was a n/s. Crazy there are now two carriers on the route.

cathay747 wrote:
Hoping it's a little more exciting than PHX-MSN!

I am entitled to my own opinion.

LOL certainly, and too bad this didn't exist when you flew it often!

cathay747 · Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:55 pm

Mboyle1988 wrote:
Would be nice to have MSN and especially GRR year round. I am personally waiting for JAX, BDL, ALB, and either ORF or RIC. Not sure if any will happen but I’m hopeful.

Seems to me that BDL ought to be a fair possibility. What do others think?

chepos · Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:25 pm

BDL I can possibly see if these type of routes work out, I wish AA would bring RDU (US flew it back in the day) and start BNA. BNA is a large station and if MEM can be flown twice daily I am sure BNA can manage.

MO11 · Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:15 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Mboyle1988 wrote:
Would be nice to have MSN and especially GRR year round. I am personally waiting for JAX, BDL, ALB, and either ORF or RIC. Not sure if any will happen but I’m hopeful.

Seems to me that BDL ought to be a fair possibility. What do others think?

Well, it ran from April 2000 - December 2008 (the recession killed it), so there must have been some value. BDL-LAX seems to work, if not 7 days/week. BDL-LAS works, except for its winter hiatus.

Mboyle1988 · Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:11 pm

chepos wrote:
BDL I can possibly see if these type of routes work out, I wish AA would bring RDU (US flew it back in the day) and start BNA. BNA is a large station and if MEM can be flown twice daily I am sure BNA can manage.

Personally I'm a Southwest flyer so I'm more hoping for WN adds than AA adds.

777PHX · Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:34 pm

Mboyle1988 wrote:
Would be nice to have MSN and especially GRR year round. I am personally waiting for JAX, BDL, ALB, and either ORF or RIC. Not sure if any will happen but I’m hopeful.

G4 has flown to GRR out of IWA for a while now.

travaz · Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:08 pm

chepos wrote:
BDL I can possibly see if these type of routes work out, I wish AA would bring RDU (US flew it back in the day) and start BNA. BNA is a large station and if MEM can be flown twice daily I am sure BNA can manage.

I vote for BDL as I make a few trips a year there. AWA used to do a non stop. My first trip to BDL from PHX was in 1972 and have made trips every year since. I think i have flown on every airline that was. TWA, UA, AA, CO, and a few I don't remember. Interestingly enough i have never flown Delta to BDL

alasizon · Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:50 pm

Mboyle1988 wrote:
Would be nice to have MSN and especially GRR year round. I am personally waiting for JAX, BDL, ALB, and either ORF or RIC. Not sure if any will happen but I’m hopeful.

BDL could probably support a flight but its long and thing and overflies a lot of AA hubs & WN focus cities along the way. I'm not sure its worth the dedicated bird year round.

ORF & RIC would be my bets for long and thin adds, with ORF on AA and RIC on WN.

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