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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:56 am

It's customs and immigration. Not a botanical garden.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:56 am

Indy wrote:
fedex1 wrote:
So why did IND build the customs / immigration area so small???? The terminal is what just now 10 years old??? This terminal was to take us into the next what 40 years???


Who knows what they were thinking. I don't think the leadership at the time had much faith that we'd have more than Saturday service to Cancun. But let's be honest about the situation. Look at the state of the industry when the terminal was built. Not much reason to have faith in our future when it comes to international service. A whole lot has change in a short amount of time.

Here is a question for pretty much anyone. Is there an international arrivals area in a U.S. airport that isn't basically in the basement? I think part (or maybe all) of ORD's might be a bit more open. Places like ATL and DTW are like a dungeon. IND as well. Who has the most open and brightest international arrivals are?


IAH in Houston is pretty open. International arrivals after exiting the plane go up, and the sterilized hallway to immigration is elevated above the main concourse to a separate immigration hall that is large and bright.

That being said, it is also crowded and sometimes chaotic despite the nice ascetics. Between the two, I’d still take the DTW dungeon for convenience and operational functionality reasons, but to answer your question, IAH is pretty open and bright.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:35 am

Indy wrote:
Here is a question for pretty much anyone. Is there an international arrivals area in a U.S. airport that isn't basically in the basement? I think part (or maybe all) of ORD's might be a bit more open. Places like ATL and DTW are like a dungeon. IND as well. Who has the most open and brightest international arrivals are?


MIA is pretty interesting very bright and the sterilized hallway goes over the terminal areas

PHL, IIRC has some natural light

OAK has a view of the airport tarmac

Lots of international arrivals areas are bright and open, but you hardly notice it when you are focussed on getting out of there ASAP
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:26 pm

Ok. So what can IND do long term to fix the customs area for future needs, and expansion? I have never been in it. Went thru customs at the old building 3-4 times boy that was a treat!
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:29 pm

It's the heartland.

Grab a hammer and nails and have at it.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:37 pm

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Surprised we haven't seen DL IND-JFK creep back up to 3 for next summer. Or perhaps it has and I just missed it.


It’s loaded in starting in June, LFs were good last summer despite the CDG flight
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:36 pm

I would hope the loads on IND-JFK were good. TWA ran a L1011 on the route back in the day. Granted, it was a run-thru via the hub in STL.
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:14 pm

Big week ahead for IND in terms of inbound travel, fall break travelers are returning and FFA convention also starts up next week which is 65,000 attendees
Checked today and more than half of WN's flights were sold out
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:52 pm

stlgph wrote:
It's customs and immigration. Not a botanical garden.


Just because it isn't a botanical garden doesn't mean it should be a thoughtless construction. The airport isn't a botanical garden either. Doesn't mean you want it looking like Indy's old Greyhound station.
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Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:37 am

Agreed INDY!!!! Why make it a dump? Isn’t that the 1st thing a passenger traveling from abroad sees of our city????

More new high rises are being approved downtown, along with convention center getting bigger! Good news Cory of Indianapolis!
 
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Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:55 am

It's not thoughtless construction.

Think about it.

Given the current layout and design of the airport, if you built a customs and arrival facility focused around windows and aesthetics you do absolutely nothing except severely box yourself in to any future expansion or construction needs.

You build a nice pretty facility that can process up to 300 passengers an hour then suddenly have a need for 500 passengers an hour, guess what....you're limited because those nice pretty windows so you can look outside can't just be knocked down for an easy expansion because those walls with all the pretty windows or that ceiling with all the nice glass won't have the ability to support additional infrastructure weight, plumbing, heating, electrics, fire code, etc. etc.

And you're even more screwed if you have to build a whole new entire facility in another part of the building, which, given the current terminal design, just can't be done that easily.

So, during the original build, it makes complete sense to incorporate a facility into a portion of the building that has the possibilities of being able to expand, if needed, without major infrastructure changes.

If I arrive internationally and I can make it through customs in 15 minutes max, I care a lot less if it's in a basement facility than if I stand for an hour enjoying my body temperature rising from the sun beaming down at me after I just sat on a plane for 8 hours. That's the good first impression people are looking for.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:23 pm

Good news today from DL:

IND-LAX is upguaged to the B738 starting in April
IND-ATL gets 3xB757 in April, and still maintains its 10x frequency
2x Saturday IND-BOS extended through August
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Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:45 pm

Is DL being aggressive? Or is this normal for them in the IND market?
 
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Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:55 pm

Still find it interesting, looking back clear to the USAir hub days, how LAX service from IND has evolved into what we have today.

Would be nice to have an afternoon/evening SLC flight.
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Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:28 pm

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Is DL being aggressive? Or is this normal for them in the IND market?


Well considering over the past year they have added frequencies or larger aircraft to every single route except IND-RDU, I'd say that is pretty aggressive

stlgph wrote:
Still find it interesting, looking back clear to the USAir hub days, how LAX service from IND has evolved into what we have today.

Would be nice to have an afternoon/evening SLC flight.


I could see that on the E175, although with MSP controlling lots of East-west flow they may just upguage the morning IND-SLC to a B739/A321 before another frequency comes

I wouldn't be surprised if IND-LAX/SLC/SEA goes all B738+, this summer or next, maybe even all mainline on IND-MSP
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Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:39 pm

DL could upgauge at least one of its IND-LGA nonstops from RJ's to mainline since IND is one of the top destinations traveled to from LGA that currently doesn't have mainline on DL.
 
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Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:12 pm

Coming up on 10 years of the new terminal.

Is it true on Wikipedia where it says Frontier Airlines is the only one with a gate re-assignment since the terminal opened?

I remember AirTran being right back there with Southwest, and US Airways was right there across from American, was Continental side by side with United when the terminal first opened? I don't remember that.
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Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:57 pm

stlgph wrote:
Coming up on 10 years of the new terminal.

Is it true on Wikipedia where it says Frontier Airlines is the only one with a gate re-assignment since the terminal opened?

I remember AirTran being right back there with Southwest, and US Airways was right there across from American, was Continental side by side with United when the terminal first opened? I don't remember that.


United was in B when the terminal opened on the US Airways side, I think starting around B16 or B20. Southwest was in the low B gates (3-5) and moved to the high B gates with AirTran after the merger.
 
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Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:03 pm

Yes! I remember that now.

So, thinking out loud-

Concourse A
Delta
Continental

Concourse B
AirTran
United
American
US Airways
Frontier
Southwest
Air Canada

is that right?
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Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:58 pm

I know WN moved. Then went from the low B numbers down to the end.
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:55 am

Since the airport hasn't released any numbers for July, I will post some

Domestic Passengers (July Only):
Increase of 6.4% for deplaned
Increase of 5.0% for enplaned

YTD:
Deplaned Increase of 7.53%
Enplaned Increase of 7.35%

AS
Enplaned- (+66.4%)
Deplaned- (+60.2%)
G4
Enplaned- (+45%)
Deplaned- (+49.7%)

AA (mainline)
Enplaned- (+5.85%)
Deplaned- (+9.89%)

F9
Enplaned- (-2.12%)
Deplaned- (+2.91%)

WN
Enplaned- (+0.61%)
Deplaned- (+1.22%)

DL (Mainline, does not include CDG or CUN)
Enplaned- (-1.75%)
Deplaned- (-0.83%)

UA (Mainline)
Enplaned- (-17.6%)
Deplaned- (-7.13%)
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:32 am

stlgph wrote:
Coming up on 10 years of the new terminal.

Is it true on Wikipedia where it says Frontier Airlines is the only one with a gate re-assignment since the terminal opened?

.


Technically, although there were other gate reassignments due to mergers

I don't really understand the need for the F9 re-assignment:
- With J1 gone, G4 has B3 and B4 alone which is plenty for a 3 aircraft base
- B15 is used by AA, but they only use it once in the morning and to RON
- AS only has 1 departure per day so if AA needed more gate space they could share with AS like they used to
- A3 can become very crowded especially with the CDG flight
- The airport paid money for this
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:33 am

Well that statement from the Wikipedia page is wrong.

I understand the move of an airline from B to A over in order to equal out foot traffic for concessions and also the security check points. I'm still surprised it was Frontier and not Allegiant.
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:00 am

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I understand the move of an airline from B to A over in order to equal out foot traffic for concessions and also the security check points. I'm still surprised it was Frontier and not Allegiant.


That is kind of what I am getting at, moving F9 from B to A changes very little in terms of balence between A and B. Looking at June '18 Concourse B was still 64%, only down 2% from 2017. The gap is only going to grow considering in A F9 and UA are fairly stagnant, while in B G4 is growing at a pretty good clip.

Perhaps they were worried G4 would encroach too much on DL's territory, and they figured F9 wouldn't need to grow
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:35 am

Looking at the airfield and terminal map it's possible Allegiant's IND based aircraft are easier to position in the RON spots off the B concourse which is why Frontier was moved over.

Given Frontier's strategy it's possible they could grow into a second gate or hell, just go back to only 4 times a week to Denver. I would presume IND is hoping Frontier is looking to grow.
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:33 pm

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Big week ahead for IND in terms of inbound travel, fall break travelers are returning and FFA convention also starts up next week which is 65,000 attendees
Checked today and more than half of WN's flights were sold out


I just dropped off family at IND and those jackets were all over the place, good for them! They (the airport) are doing some things in the common food market/court area like building new kiosks or something, both sides of the courts directly across from the TSA points. I should have taken pictures. They were not there ten days ago.
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:38 pm

I just dropped off people at IND and there was a F9 frame sitting at either A1 or A4, it's hard to tell driving up in a car up to passenger drop off. It looked from abeam the port side to be an A321! Two main cabin doors astern the wing struts and two forward. Is J9 flying the A321 now or do they have a carrier flying routes for them? I tried looking at their website and of course, nada. The gate is one of two that lead directly into Customs so maybe a charter?
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:50 pm

Tiger119 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Big week ahead for IND in terms of inbound travel, fall break travelers are returning and FFA convention also starts up next week which is 65,000 attendees
Checked today and more than half of WN's flights were sold out

They (the airport) are doing some things in the common food market/court area like building new kiosks or something, both sides of the courts directly across from the TSA points.


What did these kiosks you saw look like?

Tiger119 wrote:
I just dropped off people at IND and there was a F9 frame sitting at either A1 or A4, it's hard to tell driving up in a car up to passenger drop off. It looked from abeam the port side to be an A321! Two main cabin doors astern the wing struts and two forward. Is J9 flying the A321 now or do they have a carrier flying routes for them? I tried looking at their website and of course, nada. The gate is one of two that lead directly into Customs so maybe a charter?


I believe you are referring to gate A3, you probably saw the A321 from MCO, on Mondays and Fridays I believe they have an A321 that goes MCO-IND-SAN-IND-MCO
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:09 pm

stlgph wrote:
Yes! I remember that now.

So, thinking out loud-

Concourse A
Delta
Continental

Concourse B
AirTran
United
American
US Airways
Frontier
Southwest
Air Canada

is that right?


Don't forget Northwest on A :)
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:22 pm

floridaflyboy wrote:
stlgph wrote:
Yes! I remember that now.

So, thinking out loud-

Concourse A
Delta
Continental

Concourse B
AirTran
United
American
US Airways
Frontier
Southwest
Air Canada

is that right?


Don't forget Northwest on A :)


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Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:09 am

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Ok. So what can IND do long term to fix the customs area for future needs, and expansion? I have never been in it. Went thru customs at the old building 3-4 times boy that was a treat!


Tongue firmly placed in cheek I assume! That was a pain in the posterior!
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:22 am

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Good news today from DL:

IND-LAX is upguaged to the B738 starting in April
IND-ATL gets 3xB757 in April, and still maintains its 10x frequency
2x Saturday IND-BOS extended through August


Do you know off hand the frequency of the DL IND - CDG flights? X2 weekly I think?

DL has a Sky Club right past TSA for Concourse A. I have not been there as all my flights in and out of IND has been the B concourse.
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:30 am

What did these kiosks you saw look like?

Tiger119 wrote:
I just dropped off people at IND and there was a F9 frame sitting at either A1 or A4, it's hard to tell driving up in a car up to passenger drop off. It looked from abeam the port side to be an A321! Two main cabin doors astern the wing struts and two forward. Is J9 flying the A321 now or do they have a carrier flying routes for them? I tried looking at their website and of course, nada. The gate is one of two that lead directly into Customs so maybe a charter?


I believe you are referring to gate A3, you probably saw the A321 from MCO, on Mondays and Fridays I believe they have an A321 that goes MCO-IND-SAN-IND-MCO[/quote]

The Authority had decorated particle boards up enclosing what ever they are doing. And now that you mention it, it probably was a A321. But it was at one of the gates that can be used for international arrivals. The building was designed that the area there can be expanded and they can put one on the opposite side for B Concourse. This terminal was very well thought out. Both concourses can be extended in both directions.
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:49 am

I also some construction work being down between Weir Cook Memorial Dr (leading into the terminal) and S Service Rd. Are they building another gas station there?
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:34 am

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Do you know off hand the frequency of the DL IND - CDG flights? X2 weekly I think?


Currently IND-CDG is operating 5x weekly, in November it drops to 4x weekly, in January to 3x weekly. In March it increases to 4x weekly and in April it is presently loaded to go 7x weekly (altough the original plan was for it to go daily starting in May, so we'll see). It never drops below 3x weekly.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:50 pm

FYI, for those who may be interested, DL just dropped fares pretty drastically on the nonstop IND-CDG. You can fly basic economy in March for $477 and around $520 at other times starting in December extending to at least April. Not a bad deal.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:51 pm

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Tiger119 wrote:
Do you know off hand the frequency of the DL IND - CDG flights? X2 weekly I think?


Currently IND-CDG is operating 5x weekly, in November it drops to 4x weekly, in January to 3x weekly. In March it increases to 4x weekly and in April it is presently loaded to go 7x weekly (altough the original plan was for it to go daily starting in May, so we'll see). It never drops below 3x weekly.


Small correction, but March is still 3x weekly, everything else seems correct though
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:41 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Since the airport hasn't released any numbers for July, I will post some

Domestic Passengers (July Only):
Increase of 6.4% for deplaned
Increase of 5.0% for enplaned

YTD:
Deplaned Increase of 7.53%
Enplaned Increase of 7.35%

AS
Enplaned- (+66.4%)
Deplaned- (+60.2%)
G4
Enplaned- (+45%)
Deplaned- (+49.7%)

AA (mainline)
Enplaned- (+5.85%)
Deplaned- (+9.89%)

F9
Enplaned- (-2.12%)
Deplaned- (+2.91%)

WN
Enplaned- (+0.61%)
Deplaned- (+1.22%)

DL (Mainline, does not include CDG or CUN)
Enplaned- (-1.75%)
Deplaned- (-0.83%)

UA (Mainline)
Enplaned- (-17.6%)
Deplaned- (-7.13%)


"Where did you get your numbers? PIT has posted real numbers thru Sep. CVG is real thru Aug."
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:29 pm

Bluegrass60 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Since the airport hasn't released any numbers for July, I will post some

Domestic Passengers (July Only):
Increase of 6.4% for deplaned
Increase of 5.0% for enplaned

YTD:
Deplaned Increase of 7.53%
Enplaned Increase of 7.35%

AS
Enplaned- (+66.4%)
Deplaned- (+60.2%)
G4
Enplaned- (+45%)
Deplaned- (+49.7%)

AA (mainline)
Enplaned- (+5.85%)
Deplaned- (+9.89%)

F9
Enplaned- (-2.12%)
Deplaned- (+2.91%)

WN
Enplaned- (+0.61%)
Deplaned- (+1.22%)

DL (Mainline, does not include CDG or CUN)
Enplaned- (-1.75%)
Deplaned- (-0.83%)

UA (Mainline)
Enplaned- (-17.6%)
Deplaned- (-7.13%)


"Where did you get your numbers? PIT has posted real numbers thru Sep. CVG is real thru Aug."


I don't know what to tell you, IND hasn't released numbers past June, but that doesn't mean my numbers aren't "real": https://www.indianapolisairport.com/abo ... ty-reports

The July numbers are from the T100 database, you can verify them if you want: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Tables.as ... 20Carriers
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:31 pm

indygs wrote:
FYI, for those who may be interested, DL just dropped fares pretty drastically on the nonstop IND-CDG. You can fly basic economy in March for $477 and around $520 at other times starting in December extending to at least April. Not a bad deal.


Which dates?
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:38 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Bluegrass60 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Since the airport hasn't released any numbers for July, I will post some

Domestic Passengers (July Only):
Increase of 6.4% for deplaned
Increase of 5.0% for enplaned

YTD:
Deplaned Increase of 7.53%
Enplaned Increase of 7.35%

AS
Enplaned- (+66.4%)
Deplaned- (+60.2%)
G4
Enplaned- (+45%)
Deplaned- (+49.7%)

AA (mainline)
Enplaned- (+5.85%)
Deplaned- (+9.89%)

F9
Enplaned- (-2.12%)
Deplaned- (+2.91%)

WN
Enplaned- (+0.61%)
Deplaned- (+1.22%)

DL (Mainline, does not include CDG or CUN)
Enplaned- (-1.75%)
Deplaned- (-0.83%)

UA (Mainline)
Enplaned- (-17.6%)
Deplaned- (-7.13%)


"Where did you get your numbers? PIT has posted real numbers thru Sep. CVG is real thru Aug."


I don't know what to tell you, IND hasn't released numbers past June, but that doesn't mean my numbers aren't "real": https://www.indianapolisairport.com/abo ... ty-reports

The July numbers are from the T100 database, you can verify them if you want: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Tables.as ... 20Carriers


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Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:46 pm

Bluegrass60 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Bluegrass60 wrote:

"Where did you get your numbers? PIT has posted real numbers thru Sep. CVG is real thru Aug."


I don't know what to tell you, IND hasn't released numbers past June, but that doesn't mean my numbers aren't "real": https://www.indianapolisairport.com/abo ... ty-reports

The July numbers are from the T100 database, you can verify them if you want: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Tables.as ... 20Carriers


"funny....you gave me grief for forecasting numbers...then you turn around and do your own forecast. Sis boom bah!


My lord, it isn't a forecast, it is literally July numbers published by the Department of Transportation
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:01 pm

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FYI, for those who may be interested, DL just dropped fares pretty drastically on the nonstop IND-CDG. You can fly basic economy in March for $477 and around $520 at other times starting in December extending to at least April. Not a bad deal.


Which dates?


I know Dec 6-11 is $527. Mar 12-19 is available for $477. All found using Google Flights and require basic economy. I could be wrong, but I don't know that I've seen then offer BE on this route previously. Full main cabin is +$130 round trip.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:35 pm

I watched a C-17 turn Base-to-Final for 5L a bit ago. It was a beautiful sight indeed. I'm only assuming it is part of the team prepping for POTUS coming here Saturday for the FFA convention. I couldn't see the slash on the vertical stabilizer but again I am assuming it was Andrews AFB.

Conventions are a huge part of the economy in Indiana. IND, the city, and the state are very good at handling high profile VIPs and huge events. No one does it better.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:01 pm

indygs wrote:

I know Dec 6-11 is $527. Mar 12-19 is available for $477. All found using Google Flights and require basic economy. I could be wrong, but I don't know that I've seen then offer BE on this route previously. Full main cabin is +$130 round trip.


I just took a look around on Delta's site and these are some of the best IND-EU fares I've ever seen (including to other EU destinations). I'm going to have to point this out to family since IND-AMS has been extremely overpriced the past year or so.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:03 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Bluegrass60 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

I don't know what to tell you, IND hasn't released numbers past June, but that doesn't mean my numbers aren't "real": https://www.indianapolisairport.com/abo ... ty-reports

The July numbers are from the T100 database, you can verify them if you want: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Tables.as ... 20Carriers


"funny....you gave me grief for forecasting numbers...then you turn around and do your own forecast. Sis boom bah!


My lord, it isn't a forecast, it is literally July numbers published by the Department of Transportation


Just scanned IND's release of numbers through August. Delta is really gaining overall market share on Southwest at IND. Hard to project, but not unreasonable to see Delta supplanting Southwest by the end of the first quarter 2019.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:14 pm

Official numbers out from the airport:
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... _FINAL.pdf
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... _FINAL.pdf
July
+ 8.3%
August
+10.4%

Through August 7.9% growth YOY and 6,313,729 passengers, and well on track to 9 million, but currently lower than PIT and CLE

August stats
AS +50.2%
AC +13.1%
G4 +40.8%
AA +4.7%
DL +19.5% (Wow, accounted for nearly half of passenger growth)
F9 +7.4%
J1 +8.6%
WN + 2.1%
UA + 8.9%

DL almost caught up to WN for August in terms of Market Share
WN-27.93%
DL-25.61%
AA-21.82%
UA-13.69%
G4-5.04%
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:26 pm

garybow wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Bluegrass60 wrote:

"funny....you gave me grief for forecasting numbers...then you turn around and do your own forecast. Sis boom bah!


My lord, it isn't a forecast, it is literally July numbers published by the Department of Transportation


Just scanned IND's release of numbers through August. Delta is really gaining overall market share on Southwest at IND. Hard to project, but not unreasonable to see Delta supplanting Southwest by the end of the first quarter 2019.


Haha you beat me to it

DL's growth is extreme in IND, and based on the seat data I have out for the rest of the year this insane growth should continue. To be frank, I don't know how WN is still growing considering they have cut back a decent amount of routes, but I guess upguaging helps.

I don't think DL will pass WN until this time next year, unless WN begins to have negative growth

But it looks like this might come to pass: http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/st ... ice-begins
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:02 pm

kindeham wrote:
indygs wrote:

I know Dec 6-11 is $527. Mar 12-19 is available for $477. All found using Google Flights and require basic economy. I could be wrong, but I don't know that I've seen then offer BE on this route previously. Full main cabin is +$130 round trip.


I just took a look around on Delta's site and these are some of the best IND-EU fares I've ever seen (including to other EU destinations). I'm going to have to point this out to family since IND-AMS has been extremely overpriced the past year or so.


Keep searching and get creative and expand your search. A few weeks ago I was finding Paris for say $500 or so on American and United 1 stop versus $1300 on DL nonstop, similar situation for a few other cities. You may look into routings popping up from Air Canada. AC to YYZ then biz class on Turkish to Istanbul was coming up at $1800 for random dates in March.
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