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Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:18 am

Sorry for the repetitive posts but here's the most up to date board meeting packet if anyone is wondering about it. Board meeting is today Sept. 21 8 AM ET.

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zackary747 wrote:
Sorry for the repetitive posts but here's the most up to date board meeting packet if anyone is wondering about it. Board meeting is today Sept. 21 8 AM ET.

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Looks like a pretty low-key board meeting
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Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:15 pm

Howdy guys

As I’m typing this I saw another 747 on the Flightradar24 app, then went to flightaware and noticed it was headed for Indy. Looks as if it’s a Liege (LGG) to IND Astral Aviation 747-400 operated by Air Atlanta Icelandic, CLX has already come into Indy today, so was just curious if anyone had any info on this one. Thanks!


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Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:44 pm

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Howdy guys

As I’m typing this I saw another 747 on the Flightradar24 app, then went to flightaware and noticed it was headed for Indy. Looks as if it’s a Liege (LGG) to IND Astral Aviation 747-400 operated by Air Atlanta Icelandic, CLX has already come into Indy today, so was just curious if anyone had any info on this one. Thanks!


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Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:09 pm

IND will be getting the new DL ATMOSPHÈRE cabin CR9, starting Jan 3rd. This version aircraft is very new, and there is only one currently in service.

Can't wait, to take a ride on one of these soon!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-crj900-atmosphere/
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https://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/ ... 372405002/

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IND will be getting the new DL ATMOSPHÈRE cabin CR9, starting Jan 3rd. This version aircraft is very new, and there is only one currently in service.

Can't wait, to take a ride on one of these soon!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-crj900-atmosphere/

What route will this be operated on?
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:06 pm

colemathews22 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
IND will be getting the new DL ATMOSPHÈRE cabin CR9, starting Jan 3rd. This version aircraft is very new, and there is only one currently in service.

Can't wait, to take a ride on one of these soon!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-crj900-atmosphere/

What route will this be operated on?


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Greensboro to RDU is only relatively fast if you take the toll road. Otherwise it is just shy of 2 hours. It is pretty much the same drive time as Louisville, KY, and Cincinnati, OH to IND. Add another 15-20 minutes and you can include Dayton. Ft. Wayne would fall into the same category as Dayton. Of course IND can/will pull from Terre Haute and Bloomington, IN which are all outside of the metro area. IND can pull from some pretty big cities to fill TPAC flights. Metro areas like Cincinnati and Louisville are much bigger than Greensboro metro.


if anyone is driving on the toll road (around the southwestern part of Raleigh) to get from Greensboro to RDU airport they're completely lost. There is no toll on any roads somebody would take between Greensboro and the Raleigh Durham Airport. Greensboro to RDU in 75 minutes no problem. Its 70 mph speed limit almost the enture way. The only other Toll Road in Raleigh goes between Durham and part of Research Triangle Park as a shortcut to the tolled portion of the 540 Outer Loop
 
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:31 pm

Pretty awesome IND will host Routes Americas conference.

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Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:35 pm

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Pretty awesome IND will host Routes Americas conference.

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That could be very interesting, to have Route Development teams from basically every major airline in the world right in your own backyard is an opportunity that IND needs to seize!

I think this comment is interesting too:
"First let me be clear, the focus is on key business markets. Secondly, it strengthens existing and ongoing air-service recruitment efforts already in progress to key business destination markets. In short, this investment opens doors for serious conversations with current and new airlines who are considering viable market expansion to destinations that align with Indiana’s global-business opportunities."
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:36 pm

Hope that means more Delta P2P routes.

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Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:59 pm

Looks like UA/DL upguaged some routes for Salesforce's Dreamforce conference this week in SFO. I noticed IND-SFO was B739/B738 and IND-SLC was B738 this morning.
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:23 pm

I wonder if there will be any upgauges for the FFA Convention?

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Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:11 am

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I wonder if there will be any upgauges for the FFA Convention?

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I haven't seen any upguages for the FFA convention, usually the main one is Indy 500 and possibly Gen Con as well. UA often does some late-in upguages for high demand times, so that might go under the radar.
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:00 pm

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Looks like UA/DL upguaged some routes for Salesforce's Dreamforce conference this week in SFO. I noticed IND-SFO was B739/B738 and IND-SLC was B738 this morning.


I also noticed the first MSP departure this morning was on the -900ER. It's the first time in a while that Delta sent us the 737. They've been trying to simplify things by sending us only the 717, MD, A32x, and 7ER.
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:57 pm

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Looks like UA/DL upguaged some routes for Salesforce's Dreamforce conference this week in SFO. I noticed IND-SFO was B739/B738 and IND-SLC was B738 this morning.


I also noticed the first MSP departure this morning was on the -900ER. It's the first time in a while that Delta sent us the 737. They've been trying to simplify things by sending us only the 717, MD, A32x, and 7ER.


Interesting, probably an upguage for Dreamforce as well, although IND-DTW/MSP have been getting the B738 pretty regularly.

My question is what aircraft are they going to use on IND-ATL once the MD88 goes away next year, and will they keep the same frequency. Also, I expect some upguages on some routes in late spring/summer, so they may move to larger aircraft on IND-MSP/LAX/SLC/SEA/MCO/NYC(A220)/RSW/e.t.c
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:45 pm

Will IND hit 10 million this year?
 
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Will IND million this year?
 
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Will IND million this year?
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:48 pm

Meant 9 million, and wow! Delete those. I’m sorry folks.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:29 am

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Meant 9 million, and wow! Delete those. I’m sorry folks.


Yep, comfortably over 9 million, depending on DL growth it could be more considering capacity growth is supposed to be significant this fall.
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:51 am

What is PIT, CLE, CVG, CMH. . . Figures ? For the entire 2018?
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:34 am

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What is PIT, CLE, CVG, CMH. . . Figures ? For the entire 2018?


For June (last recorded month for IND), IND was slightly ahead of PIT, and way ahead of CVG and CMH.
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:13 pm

2017 Total Pax: PIT = 8,988,016 CVG = 8,770,308, IND = 7,842,149 CMH = 7,500,000

2018 thru August Total PAX: PIT = 6,421,062 (PIT estimated to be 2.1% ahead of IND thru Aug) IND estimated 6,282,159 CVG = 5,982,557 (IND is estimated to be 5% ahead of CVG thru Aug). CMH Q1 is only available stats. Q1 was up 7% YoY
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:16 pm

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2017 Total Pax: PIT = 8,988,016 CVG = 8,770,308, IND = 7,842,149 CMH = 7,500,000

2018 thru August Total PAX: PIT = 6,421,062 (PIT estimated to be 2.1% ahead of IND thru Aug) IND estimated 6,282,159 CVG = 5,982,557 (IND is estimated to be 5% ahead of CVG thru Aug). CMH Q1 is only available stats. Q1 was up 7% YoY


IND had 8.77 million total PAX in 2017. Not 7.8 million.


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Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:21 pm

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Bluegrass60 wrote:
2017 Total Pax: PIT = 8,988,016 CVG = 8,770,308, IND = 7,842,149 CMH = 7,500,000

2018 thru August Total PAX: PIT = 6,421,062 (PIT estimated to be 2.1% ahead of IND thru Aug) IND estimated 6,282,159 CVG = 5,982,557 (IND is estimated to be 5% ahead of CVG thru Aug). CMH Q1 is only available stats. Q1 was up 7% YoY


IND had 8.77 million total PAX in 2017. Not 7.8 million.


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Here’s a link showing proof.

https://www.indianapolisairport.com/abo ... tory-again

Not sure where you got the 7.8 million number but it’s actually 8.7 million for all of 2017.


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Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:27 pm

8,770,308 for IND in 2017. My bad. Transposed CVG and IND for 2017. 2018 is correct but IND is estimated for July, Aug
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:33 pm

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8,770,308 for IND in 2017. My bad. Transposed CVG and IND for 2017. 2018 is correct but IND is estimated for July, Aug


How did you estimate July and August from IND, please enlighten me.....and how did you estimate PIT so far ahead of IND when in June YTD IND was higher
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:37 pm

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fedex1 wrote:
What is PIT, CLE, CVG, CMH. . . Figures ? For the entire 2018?


For June (last recorded month for IND), IND was slightly ahead of PIT, and way ahead of CVG and CMH.


Just a quick thankyou for always keeping this thread so up to date and informative.
It is one of my favorites because of your posts.
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:42 pm

Applied 7.2% YTD growth rate (which is generous since June growth at IND was 4.4%) to July and Aug 2017 totals. PIT reported numbers thru Aug 2018.

Also...CVG is growing 15.33% YTD....summer months all > 10%
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:47 pm

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Applied 7.2% YTD growth rate (which is generous since June growth at IND was 4.4%) to July and Aug 2017 totals. PIT reported numbers thru Aug 2018.

Also...CVG is growing 15.33% YTD....summer months all > 10%


So what you’re saying is that your estimate is off, because it doesn’t take into account anything in the future...
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:48 pm

Capn wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
fedex1 wrote:
What is PIT, CLE, CVG, CMH. . . Figures ? For the entire 2018?


For June (last recorded month for IND), IND was slightly ahead of PIT, and way ahead of CVG and CMH.


Just a quick thankyou for always keeping this thread so up to date and informative.
It is one of my favorites because of your posts.
Thanks again, and hope you keep up your great work.


Thank you :)
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:51 pm

No...what I am saying is am being generous to IND estimate for July and August as it is based on 7.2% growth (which is IND YTD growth thru June 2018)...BUT....June 2018 growth was 4.4%.

I bet my estimate is high. Let's see what IND publishes for July and August.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:10 pm

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No...what I am saying is am being generous to IND estimate for July and August as it is based on 7.2% growth (which is IND YTD growth thru June 2018)...BUT....June 2018 growth was 4.4%.

I bet my estimate is high. Let's see what IND publishes for July and August.


We can’t even have this discussion until you have factored in things like capacity changes, route cuts/adds, and seasonal peaks in air travel for certain areas. Right now that estimate means nothing because you can’t just project YTD growth for half a year on to another half of a year.
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:47 pm

Dude....I am projecting 2 months. They are based on the same months of a year ago with a more than generous increase as described.

You really need to take a breath....unless you are about to replace Joe Esposito at Delta Network Planning...suggest you take a glance here: https://www.aviationplanning.com/data-forecasts/
You might learn that the BTS/FAA/DOT data you are so ready to cite....ain't that great....and if you review other content on the site (Boyd Group) you will be much brighter about the business.

If IND were a regional airport - all of the things you cite would have a bigger impact on estimates. As such IND is a large Nonhubsite airport (explore the Boyd site to see how they more correctly classify airports vs the FAA) with pretty consistent patterns year over year. Will there be exceptions...of course....but....for IND...for estimating July and August 2018....I am likely over-estimating based on their June 2018 YoY growth.

Anyway...I wish you the best in your quest to make IND the best served airport it can be.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:51 pm

It ill be fun to watch the stats on PIT and IND through the end of the year. They are neck and neck as of June of this year (last month stats are available for both). I think they end the year at almost the exact same # of Total Passengers.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:58 pm

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Dude....I am projecting 2 months. They are based on the same months of a year ago with a more than generous increase as described.

You really need to take a breath....unless you are about to replace Joe Esposito at Delta Network Planning...suggest you take a glance here: https://www.aviationplanning.com/data-forecasts/
You might learn that the BTS/FAA/DOT data you are so ready to cite....ain't that great....and if you review other content on the site (Boyd Group) you will be much brighter about the business.

If IND were a regional airport - all of the things you cite would have a bigger impact on estimates. As such IND is a large Nonhubsite airport (explore the Boyd site to see how they more correctly classify airports vs the FAA) with pretty consistent patterns year over year. Will there be exceptions...of course....but....for IND...for estimating July and August 2018....I am likely over-estimating based on their June 2018 YoY growth.

Anyway...I wish you the best in your quest to make IND the best served airport it can be.


Oh boy....not worth my time to get into all of that

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It ill be fun to watch the stats on PIT and IND through the end of the year. They are neck and neck as of June of this year (last month stats are available for both). I think they end the year at almost the exact same # of Total Passengers.


And CLE, somehow those three always end up neck and neck
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:02 pm

I took a look back at the numbers for IND in 2017. The final released numbers were slightly more than 8.77 million. Total passengers ended up being 8,800,828.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:14 pm

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I took a look back at the numbers for IND in 2017. The final released numbers were slightly more than 8.77 million. Total passengers ended up being 8,800,828.


Where did you pull 8.8 from? This is from the airport: https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-r ... rt-of-2018
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IAA's Dec. 2017 published airline activities report. Listed YTD total passengers at 8,800,828.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:20 pm

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IAA's Dec. 2017 published airline activities report. Listed YTD total passengers at 8,800,828.


Figured out what the difference is, it appears the numbers were changed at a later date. Here is the original: https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... Report.pdf

There were mistakes with the AS, DL

Original vs. Revised:
AS: 86,137 vs. 95,195
DL: 1,948,932 vs. 1,970,444

This means that in 2017 DL was #2 in IND, as the margin originally between DL and AA was less than 1,000 pax
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:28 pm

I wonder if this Allegiant announcement will involve IND?

International flights maybe?

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Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:23 pm

WN schedule extension was nothing fancy
Saturdays IND-RSW goes from 2x-4x
Saturdays IND-TPA goes from 2x-3x
Mon-Fri go from 8 738/738MAX departures to 15 738/738MAX departures, therefore a slight increase in seats despite loss of EWR
IND-BOS goes back to 2x daily but the times avoid DL, 5:20AM and 8:35PM departures from IND, and 7:20 AM and 10:55PM arrivals in IND.
Obviously IND-EWR is gone
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:38 pm

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WN schedule extension was nothing fancy
Saturdays IND-RSW goes from 2x-4x
Saturdays IND-TPA goes from 2x-3x
Mon-Fri go from 8 738/738MAX departures to 15 738/738MAX departures, therefore a slight increase in seats despite loss of EWR
IND-BOS goes back to 2x daily but the times avoid DL, 5:20AM and 8:35PM departures from IND, and 7:20 AM and 10:55PM arrivals in IND.
Obviously IND-EWR is gone


Looks like SAN will resume in the next extension. I notice that WN puts the IND-SAN schedule in at one go rather than in pieces. It'll probably resume June 10/11 or something of that nature and run through early Aug or Sept depending on what they want to do.
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:58 pm

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Midwestindy wrote:
WN schedule extension was nothing fancy
Saturdays IND-RSW goes from 2x-4x
Saturdays IND-TPA goes from 2x-3x
Mon-Fri go from 8 738/738MAX departures to 15 738/738MAX departures, therefore a slight increase in seats despite loss of EWR
IND-BOS goes back to 2x daily but the times avoid DL, 5:20AM and 8:35PM departures from IND, and 7:20 AM and 10:55PM arrivals in IND.
Obviously IND-EWR is gone


Looks like SAN will resume in the next extension. I notice that WN puts the IND-SAN schedule in at one go rather than in pieces. It'll probably resume June 10/11 or something of that nature and run through early Aug or Sept depending on what they want to do.


Knowing WN, they will probably run it Mid-June-first week in August. They don't seem to have any backbone, I have a list of grievances with them:

1.There isn't really a reason they shouldn't serve IND-SAN from April-June at least
2.There isn't a reason they shouldn't serve IND-AUS daily instead of Sun-only, for at least part of the year
3. For some reason they continue to find a way to operate IND-BOS, 2x daily in fact, when at least one of those frequencies could be used on IND-AUS/SAN at likely a higher yield
4. The gate area for WN is way too packed, I think that area of the terminal was intended for RJs. It will be bad during morning and early afternoon when they have 4-5 planes departing at around the same time with 175 passengers each.

I am heading down to MCO next week and I could have taken WN with their 4 flights, but instead I'm connecting through CLT, WN has joined UA on my no fly list
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:30 pm

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...WN has joined UA on my no fly list


Just curious, why are they on your no fly list?
 
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:50 pm

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...WN has joined UA on my no fly list


Just curious, why are they on your no fly list?


A few reasons:
WN
1. They cut the IND-DCA/LGA flights, so IND is only left with token service to some business markets like MDW and BOS
2. From my Chicago side of things, MDW is out of the way for me
3. I have gotten burned too many times on the no-assigned seats
4. Being Delta Diamond I get upgraded, so I'd much rather be in at least E+ or F then get no reward for a normal seat on WN
5. With FF status on DL and AA, I don't want to waste trips on other airlines, unless it is B6
6. No TATL
7. No lounges
I'll admit they do have good perks if you are traveling with families, but they just aren't my type
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1. Too many CR2s
2. I have a very strong distaste for EWR
3. Bad experiences with customer service
Redeeming thing about UA is that they have LH as a partner
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:02 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
A few reasons:
WN
3. I have gotten burned too many times on the no-assigned seats
4. Being Delta Diamond I get upgraded, so I'd much rather be in at least E+ or F then get no reward for a normal seat on WN
6. No TATL
7. No lounges


I do love to fly on WN out of DAL, and I have gotten used to WN's open seating policies. There are also many individuals, including myself, who are willing to fly on WN, despite no TATL and no lounges.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:05 pm

If I am going to California in the winter I try to fly Southwest so I can have a stress free Connection in LAS or PHX.

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