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lakeeffect
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:27 pm

Very interesting adds this week at CLE. I think it was inevitable that CLE-SLC would resume on Delta. CLE had to be one of the largest DL eastern stations without a flight to at least one western DL hub (SEA, LAX, SLC).

The growth of CLE-JFK to 7x daily is impressive considering CLE is within the LGA perimeter. B6 sure missed their chance on establishing themselves on this route when they launched CLE a few years ago.

It’s also interesting to see American really become the largest player over at CAK with another ORD frequency added. I wonder how long before they launch CAK-DFW?

Interestingly Delta in September is reducing CAK-ATL to 1x mainline and 2x regional jets. The first flight out is mainline with an afternoon and early evening regional jet to ATL. Quite a capacity drop for CAK-ATL compared to a few years ago.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:42 pm

Welcome additions by AA and DL, especially after the F9 cuts!
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:24 pm

cvgComair wrote:
CLEdiscussions wrote:
I don't think CLE is getting a flight to SLC, I haven't found any articles stating CLE is getting a flight to SLC

DL makes changes to its schedule on Saturday/Sunday, usually the press doesn't get notified until Monday. The schedule is:
0830-1025, CLE-SLC, daily A319
1700-2050, SLC-CLE, daily A319
(effective Jun 9)

Wow!, so kennedy was right about landing a SLC flight!
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:49 pm

It was a matter of time until DL added CLE-SLC. The A319 is the perfect plane to do it too.
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:16 am

cvgComair wrote:
CLEdiscussions wrote:
I don't think CLE is getting a flight to SLC, I haven't found any articles stating CLE is getting a flight to SLC

DL makes changes to its schedule on Saturday/Sunday, usually the press doesn't get notified until Monday. The schedule is:
0830-1025, CLE-SLC, daily A319
1700-2050, SLC-CLE, daily A319
(effective Jun 9)
That return should be 2250 and it looks like it starts July 9.
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:37 am

cledaybuck wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
CLEdiscussions wrote:
I don't think CLE is getting a flight to SLC, I haven't found any articles stating CLE is getting a flight to SLC

DL makes changes to its schedule on Saturday/Sunday, usually the press doesn't get notified until Monday. The schedule is:
0830-1025, CLE-SLC, daily A319
1700-2050, SLC-CLE, daily A319
(effective Jun 9)
That return should be 2250 and it looks like it starts July 9.

I tried editing it earlier but it looks like the edit didn't stick. Thanks for catching that!
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:29 am

masseybrown wrote:
DL's adding CLE-SLC has made half of Kennedy's domestic predictions come true. Maybe WN will add CLE-MCI on Thursday. :crossfingers:


I agree that WN could further expand at CLE, and I agree that WN could add CLE-MCI nonstop service. WN had also previously stated that it is considering adding nonstop service to HOU and FLL from CLE. In addition, WN could also add nonstop service to AUS, LAX, SAN, and TPA from CLE, and WN could extend CLE-MCO nonstop service to daily year-round nonstop service.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:08 am

fun2fly wrote:
I just flew CLE>DFW on the Super 80 this week both ways. Surely a welcome site to see the 319's. I would also add the Terminal C and A in DFW are much worse than CLE. Sometimes, we're a bit hard on ourselves in this forum. Good to see AA upping their game in CLE with DFW, NYC adds.


Terminal A I would say is not worse (but certainly not better), but DFW Terminal C is just the pits.

I hope the 319's they use on the DFW route are the AA purchased ones, rather than the old US Airways ones I'm always on for the CLE>CLT route.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:32 pm

Here's an article from Cleveland.com on the new SLC service:

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.s ... iver_index
AGP ATL BCN BNA BOS CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FLL FRA IAD IAH JAX LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MKE MUC PHX RDU RSW SEA SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:21 pm

Read article on CLE dot com , didn’t say if flight was subsidized, did CLE offer money ? I think PIT did for there SLC flt!
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:29 pm

^If people in CLE or destined to CLE from the west use this over UA's DEN hub for connections, we may see increased frequencies on DL's CLE-SLC as people can more easily jump ship from UA.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:45 pm

greenair727 wrote:
^If people in CLE or destined to CLE from the west use this over UA's DEN hub for connections, we may see increased frequencies on DL's CLE-SLC as people can more easily jump ship from UA.


I'll bet the Delta Medallion folks located in CLE are cheering this... now they will have less connections to some of those Western smaller stations!
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:54 pm

^I'm a United Silver--and I'm cheering this! If I were flying out west and had to transfer---say DEN or SLC to get to Montana, Idaho, SAN, SMF, Fresno, etc.--I'd much rather fly DL than UA.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:07 pm

greenair727 wrote:
^I'm a United Silver--and I'm cheering this! If I were flying out west and had to transfer---say DEN or SLC to get to Montana, Idaho, SAN, SMF, Fresno, etc.--I'd much rather fly DL than UA.


I'm curious as to why?

DEN is a much better facility with 3x daily direct flights if you get in a jam or schedule change, not to mention more cities serviced for the connections.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:20 pm

Its not about preferring SLC over DEN---its about preferring DL over UA. I think DL treat their employees better, which makes it a much better airline. Staff are far nicer on DL and happier than they are on UA. Plus UA gave the city of CLE the big F&*!& You, not to mention CLE Station employees had to learn of the dehubbing of CLE from the media instead UA telling the employees themselves. If there is only one airline flying nonstop and it is UA, I'll fly UA. If I ever have to connect somewhere, I'll take AA/DL (or WW/FI) rather than take UA.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:56 pm

As an ex-Buckeye av-geek born & raised in Lorain County, some of these posts sent me down memory lane, especially the YouTube video from 1974. As a teenager I spent a lot of time on the observation deck in the early 1970's. I had shoeboxes of photos of planes that got thrown out during my move out of Ohio. With such sites as a*net now, I wish I had saved the pics. Some of them taken with a Graflex with 3"x5" (?) negatives were true high-res pics. My house was under the climb-out pattern for west-bound planes and I'd rush outdoors to see the UA 747 (UA953) and various DC-10s fly over. That sound of their engines is still music to my ears.

The banjo used to be totally round. Did they carve into it, or is it actually bigger now with what is now the core of the banjo all that used to be there? (If the latter, why didn't they add 360* around to keep it a circle?)
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:03 am

Robert1010 wrote:
Read article on CLE dot com , didn’t say if flight was subsidized, did CLE offer money ? I think PIT did for there SLC flt!


From the article: "To entice Delta, Cleveland Hopkins waived the airline's landing fees for one year on the route and agreed to pay $50,000 in marketing support to help establish the flight. That deal is offered to all airlines starting service to new domestic markets, according to Todd Payne, chief of marketing and air service development for Cleveland Hopkins."
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:17 am

I think DL would have done it without the incentives as it makes a lot sense for them, not only to connect SLC and CLE which had 145 pax/day/both direction combined in 2017Q2, but to all the points west that connect at SLC--which could easily be thousands per day per direction. Right now some of those pax are already on DL, connecting at MSP or DTW, but most are probably on UA, connecting at DEN. So this route is not only good for DL pax offering a direct route to SLC and connections west without having to go to DTW/MSP, but also takes market share from UA. Actually, I'm surprised it took DL as it long as it did to announce this route.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:20 am

quiet1 wrote:
The banjo used to be totally round. Did they carve into it, or is it actually bigger now with what is now the core of the banjo all that used to be there? (If the latter, why didn't they add 360* around to keep it a circle?)


It is actually significantly bigger than the old banjo and where all of UA's operations have been consolidated. I think they didn't make it a complete circle due to the layout of the taxiways.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:22 am

Pax numbers CLE-SLC--pax/day/both directions combined have been steadily growing comparing like quarters to each other:

Year Qtr Pax
2015 1 104
2015 2 129
2015 3 147
2015 4 109
2016 1 104
2016 2 133
2016 3 163
2016 4 116
2017 1 129
2017 2 145
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:25 am

quiet1 wrote:
My house was under the climb-out pattern for west-bound planes and I'd rush outdoors to see the UA 747 (UA953) and various DC-10s fly over. That sound of their engines is still music to my ears.


Ah yes, UAL953 was the morning departure to ORD and HNL. I lived on the other side of the airport and would catch its arrival the night before as UAL218 from LAS and ORD. Do you remember UAL576? 747 service to MIA was back then too.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:50 pm

Looks like CLE picked up a "Most Improved Airport" award: http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ss ... rt_m-rpt-1
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:29 pm

From that article linked above, this is worded strangely or poorly, which makes CLE sound like its mostly a hub with only around 27% O&D:

"....About 9.1 million passed through Hopkins in 2017....The traffic is not just people passing through. About 2.5 million people who used the airport in 2017 interacted with the community, leaving the airport rather than just changing planes, Kennedy said."
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:54 pm

greenair727 wrote:
From that article linked above, this is worded strangely or poorly, which makes CLE sound like its mostly a hub with only around 27% O&D:

"....About 9.1 million passed through Hopkins in 2017....The traffic is not just people passing through. About 2.5 million people who used the airport in 2017 interacted with the community, leaving the airport rather than just changing planes, Kennedy said."


That’s so poorly worded. I take it to mean that despite passenger levels being the same as the late United hub, there’s an extra 2.5 million passengers entering and leaving the airport.

It also mentioned the prediction about the SLC add which happened over the weekend. With another Southwest extension this week, I’m betting there’s nothing for CLE. That would have been a perfect opportunity to say “stay tuned for more news this week”.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:01 pm

Hmm ... a CLE-MSY line has appeared on the WN route map.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:57 pm

masseybrown wrote:
Hmm ... a CLE-MSY line has appeared on the WN route map.


Huh, it sure has. Coincides with the announcement of Louisiana One - but nothing at the website yet.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:58 pm

chrisjake wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
Hmm ... a CLE-MSY line has appeared on the WN route map.


Huh, it sure has. Coincides with the announcement of Louisiana One - but nothing at the website yet.


They announced that route last year

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.c ... fer_li.amp
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greenair727
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:59 am

From Article: "The New Orleans service runs for four days only, according to the Southwest schedule: March 11, 18, 25 and April 1. Flights from Cleveland leave at 11:40 a.m., arriving in New Orleans at 1:20 p.m. Return flights from New Orleans depart at 7:35 a.m. Fares start at about $100 one way."

So was this line always on the map and Massey just noticed it or was it just added? If the line on the map is referring to four single flights, that's really misleading. WN should call this "seasonal" at best. But four flights over 365 days really isn't non-stop service, rather more like special trips. However, if it is a new line, then maybe the four "test" flights sold well--and WN is bringing it on for real, though I was hoping this week they would announce a few destinations for CLE to include MCI.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:32 am

They already run (or at least did a couple years ago) MSY-CLE as a single flight number, no aircraft change with a stop at BNA.
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:52 am

^CLE-MSY with a stop in Nashville is hardly nonstop CLE-MSY service.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:08 am

The route line is new, but the announcement Midwestindy pointed out isn't. Maybe their map is automated - linked to the schedule. False alarm, I guess.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:22 am

masseybrown wrote:
The route line is new, but the announcement Midwestindy pointed out isn't. Maybe their map is automated - linked to the schedule. False alarm, I guess.


It is automated. If a route is bookable it shows up, if not it doesn't. Ie even if a route is seasonal (let's say April-June), if it is July and the April extension the next year isn't out yet it won't show up on the map (even if it's coming back), until the April schedule is posted for the following year.

I'm not sure why that line wouldn't have been showing up since it was announced though.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:49 am

Hmmmm that is strange. By the way, when is WN's new routes/schedule supposed to be announced---is it Thursday (tomorrow) morning?
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:07 am

greenair727 wrote:
Hmmmm that is strange. By the way, when is WN's new routes/schedule supposed to be announced---is it Thursday (tomorrow) morning?


Yes. Just another 1 month extension though, I think.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:59 am

Jshank83 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
The route line is new, but the announcement Midwestindy pointed out isn't. Maybe their map is automated - linked to the schedule. False alarm, I guess.


It is automated. If a route is bookable it shows up, if not it doesn't. Ie even if a route is seasonal (let's say April-June), if it is July and the April extension the next year isn't out yet it won't show up on the map (even if it's coming back), until the April schedule is posted for the following year.

I'm not sure why that line wouldn't have been showing up since it was announced though.


The route line is not new, it has been there since the route was announced. I've noticed it a few times when searching their route map. Here is the MSY thread from last year where they reference it already being on the route map: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1356677&p=20039199&hilit=cle#p20039199

I don't think WN has much control over the route map considering it is automated, for example PHL-MSP showed up due to the one-off routings for the Super Bowl.
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:07 pm

^I get the benefits of automation, but this is a good example where its gone too far.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:48 pm

greenair727 wrote:
^I get the benefits of automation, but this is a good example where its gone too far.


I agree. It’s only a matter of time before SWA’s route map becomes sentient and dooms all of mankind...
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:19 pm

^My point is companies have cut some many human-facing/doing things out of their operations that accuracy or practicality have suffered. As all companies in a sector do it, poor accuracy or poor customer service become the new standard so no company has reason to do better--as it will now---as they see it--cost them something. Have you called an airline recently and got a human to answer instead of a machine that expends your time routing you various places when a human could have done it far faster? The southwest map is just a simple example of where things have been going. Why pay someone what might cost 50-cents worth of time to validate something to be accurate when you can save that 50 cents and have thousands of customers think you serve a route that may cost them thousands in their time trying to find and book such a route.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:26 pm

WN's seasonal Saturday service between CLE and MCO returns on October 6:

https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... t-airlines
AGP ATL BCN BNA BOS CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FLL FRA IAD IAH JAX LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MKE MUC PHX RDU RSW SEA SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:35 pm

lakeeffect wrote:
Interestingly Delta in September is reducing CAK-ATL to 1x mainline and 2x regional jets. The first flight out is mainline with an afternoon and early evening regional jet to ATL. Quite a capacity drop for CAK-ATL compared to a few years ago.


I just checked DL a few days in October and the CAK- ATL is all MD88 or 717. So maybe the dates you looked at are weekend or for some reason slow travel days. We all know how much DL loves to change its schedules around, but the CAK-ATL flights are constantly packed. I don't think the 2 x RJ is a permanent reduction, as much as I know you wish it was.

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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:47 pm

greenair727 wrote:
^My point is companies have cut some many human-facing/doing things out of their operations that accuracy or practicality have suffered. As all companies in a sector do it, poor accuracy or poor customer service become the new standard so no company has reason to do better--as it will now---as they see it--cost them something. Have you called an airline recently and got a human to answer instead of a machine that expends your time routing you various places when a human could have done it far faster? The southwest map is just a simple example of where things have been going. Why pay someone what might cost 50-cents worth of time to validate something to be accurate when you can save that 50 cents and have thousands of customers think you serve a route that may cost them thousands in their time trying to find and book such a route.


The last time I called Southwest a nice woman from Texas answered.

I didn’t even know airlines still put their route maps online, honestly, but I do find it hilarious how much grief it causes some of you guys.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:11 pm

Was Customs & Immigration originally on Concourse B instead of A? If so, where was it and where is that space now? I just came across these diagrams of Hopkins:

http://www.departedflights.com/CLE75.html
http://www.departedflights.com/CLE1081.html
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:37 pm

Yes customs was in the b concourse when it was called the west concourse prior to the building of concourse c.
The line up of airlines was. United gates 2,4,6,8. Twa gate 1. Eastern Gates 3,5,7 air canada gate 9 the customs gate
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:43 pm

^is the space still there? was it on a lower level or the main level?
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:53 pm

This was prior to the second deck being built. The second deck was done After the c concourse was done.
At the same time the north concourse had gates 21,23,25,27 United. 20 lake central,22 Allegheny 24 Mohawk/northwest northwest 26
American 27,28,29,30 it only had one deck also. Year 1968
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:41 pm

Mohawk! That's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Thanks for sharing the info.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:44 pm

ATLFlyer323 wrote:
lakeeffect wrote:
Interestingly Delta in September is reducing CAK-ATL to 1x mainline and 2x regional jets. The first flight out is mainline with an afternoon and early evening regional jet to ATL. Quite a capacity drop for CAK-ATL compared to a few years ago.


I just checked DL a few days in October and the CAK- ATL is all MD88 or 717. So maybe the dates you looked at are weekend or for some reason slow travel days. We all know how much DL loves to change its schedules around, but the CAK-ATL flights are constantly packed. I don't think the 2 x RJ is a permanent reduction, as much as I know you wish it was.

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No need for that unnecessary cheap shot.
AGP ATL BCN BNA BOS CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FLL FRA IAD IAH JAX LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MKE MUC PHX RDU RSW SEA SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:12 pm

SgtBarone wrote:
ATLFlyer323 wrote:
lakeeffect wrote:
Interestingly Delta in September is reducing CAK-ATL to 1x mainline and 2x regional jets. The first flight out is mainline with an afternoon and early evening regional jet to ATL. Quite a capacity drop for CAK-ATL compared to a few years ago.


I just checked DL a few days in October and the CAK- ATL is all MD88 or 717. So maybe the dates you looked at are weekend or for some reason slow travel days. We all know how much DL loves to change its schedules around, but the CAK-ATL flights are constantly packed. I don't think the 2 x RJ is a permanent reduction, as much as I know you wish it was.

-ATLFlyer323


No need for that unnecessary cheap shot.


This guy wishes for CAK's demise every thread. It can get quite annoying after a while.
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:50 pm

SgtBarone wrote:
WN's seasonal Saturday service between CLE and MCO returns on October 6:

https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... t-airlines

That’s the earliest I've seen that route added in the last 5 years.
 
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Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:19 pm

I'm sure folks saw on the Ohio thread or the WN thread that WN is adding daily service CMH to HOU. I hope CLE is next but clearly it's down the chain from CMH and PIT. There's been lots of hope expressed on this thread that WN would use their extra gate at CLE to expand to HOU, DAL, or even the west coast, but they vote time and time again not to expand in CLE by their actions. On plus side, MKE is sticking around.

The only reason I could think that PIT and CMH win out over CLE to HOU is the United effect. If I'm right CLE is in a bit of a pickle. Enough of a UA presence to keep some competition at bay, but not enough of a presence to have a focus city like DL at RDU or CVG.
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Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos