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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:19 am

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
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Some frequency increases for G4 at CVG:
CVG-SRQ/MYR go 4x/wk
CVG-SAV goes 7x/wk
CVG-VPS goes to 11x/wk!!!!

Everything else restores its frequency from last year, with CVG-RDU/PVD/BWI still missing from the schedule.


I found a 2x for PVD starting in June, but bad news for RDU and BWI who seem to have been removed from Allegiant's website.

I think RDU might still return at some point, it is still listed as seasonal on their website. I think BWI is gone for good, though.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:00 am

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Wow, so they're keeping 9 frequencies and bumping two to mainline or they've dropped two to add 738s? When was the last time CMH-ORD ran mainline (on AA; UA has done it for a while)?


Still 9X CMH-ORD, 7 eagle flights plus 2 738's. It has been a very long time since AA had mainline on CMH-ORD, I believe back when AA still had the F-100's. I've noticed with several of the past AA schedule changes that AA has been up gauging from eagle to mainline on ORD-IND/PIT as well.


Wow is right; definitely an unexpected and welcome upgauge. As mentioned, I also think that the last time AA scheduled mainline on CMH-ORD was back in the F-100 days. I've also noticed the quiet upgauges to mainline on other Midwest short-haul routes, but I didn't expect CMH to be one of the fortunate recipients. With these upgauges, AA will operate 10 mainline metal flights from CMH (2 LAX, 2 PHX, 2 ORD, 4 DFW). Yet to be seen is whether CLT or PHL mainline will return during the course of the year or whether the ORD upgauges stay when DFW goes back to 5x daily for the summer (as it usually does). Either way, glad to see AA ramping up mainline services where possible.


Last AA CMH-ORD mainline was on M80, I think once weekly (Saturday or Sunday), early 2010s
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:14 am

Just curious about something:

Has anyone seen or heard any information about what the plans are for rebuilding or building the new terminal at CMH? Is some kind of artist sketch out there, or some kind of planning document out there, or am I imagining something exists that does not really exist?

Thanks for your help.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:24 am

StuckinCMHland wrote:
Just curious about something:

Has anyone seen or heard any information about what the plans are for rebuilding or building the new terminal at CMH? Is some kind of artist sketch out there, or some kind of planning document out there, or am I imagining something exists that does not really exist?

Thanks for your help.


It is my understanding that CMH airport will demolish the old hangars to allow them build new large one-concourse terminal. I saw a rendering of the new terminal as well as new parking/car rental facility. Pretty neat but when is the question.

https://flycolumbus.com/about-us/new-terminal
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:26 am

^Have you seen this? The renderings are just a placeholder, not the actual design but they are thinking the layout will be what's shown

https://flycolumbus.com/about-us/new-terminal
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:23 pm

Here is how CVG compares to similarly-sized U.S. metro areas by domestic passengers per year:
LAS - 43,355,000 domestic passengers per year
PDX - 18,484,000 domestic passengers per year
BNA - 14,463,000 domestic passengers per year
AUS - 14,313,000 domestic passengers per year
RDU - 11,672,000 domestic passengers per year
MCI - 11,320,000 domestic passengers per year
SMF - 11,131,000 domestic passengers per year
CLE/CAK combined - 10,016,000 domestic passengers per year
CLE - 9,035,000 domestic passengers per year
CAK - 981,000 domestic passengers per year
PIT/LBE combined - 9,080,000 domestic passengers per year
IND - 8,934,000 domestic passengers per year
SAT - 8,788,000 domestic passengers per year
PIT - 8,793,000 domestic passengers per year
LBE - 287,000 domestic passengers per year
CVG - 7,932,000 domestic passengers per year
CMH/LCK combined - 7,879,000 domestic passengers per year
CMH - 7,586,000 domestic passengers per year
LCK - 293,000 domestic passengers per year

CVG and CMH can both very likely support increased commercial passenger air service since most of the other airports in similarly-sized U.S. metro areas carry at least 1 million additional domestic passengers per year than CVG and CMH. WN has its next schedule extension tomorrow, and there are new nonstop routes that could be added by WN at both CVG and CMH.

In addition, there are also additional opportunities for further expansion at both CVG and CMH by AA, DL, and UA, including the following:
  • AA adding CVG-LAX and CVG-PHX nonstop service
  • DL adding CMH-SEA nonstop service
  • UA adding CVG-LAX and CMH-LAX nonstop service
  • DL bringing back nonstop service to additional destinations out of CVG
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:13 pm

What about Delta from CMH to AMS is that now a dead issue?
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:04 pm

jplatts,
It is bummer that OH is one of the more populous states, with a great geographic location, yet all three major airports are so small compared to similarly sized cities. But what sticks out to me is how drivable OH is to so many major cities in the country. Depending on what part of the state one lives in, NY/CHI/DC/ATL/PHL have serious competition from driving. Denver and Kansas City can't say that. .. and then you've got a place like RDU which has big tourism for golfing and beaches, and draws from literally all of Eastern NC. BNA is a gigantic convention city. IND/MSP/PDX are essentially the only airports in their states and draw from a long way. Etc., etc. Obviously way more goes in to it than population. I'm pretty confident airlines are comfortable with their level of service in all three cities.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:41 pm

jplatts wrote:
Here is how CVG compares to similarly-sized U.S. metro areas by domestic passengers per year:

CVG and CMH can both very likely support increased commercial passenger air service since most of the other airports in similarly-sized U.S. metro areas carry at least 1 million additional domestic passengers per year than CVG and CMH. WN has its next schedule extension tomorrow, and there are new nonstop routes that could be added by WN at both CVG and CMH.

In addition, there are also additional opportunities for further expansion at both CVG and CMH by AA, DL, and UA, including the following:
  • AA adding CVG-LAX and CVG-PHX nonstop service
  • DL adding CMH-SEA nonstop service
  • UA adding CVG-LAX and CMH-LAX nonstop service
  • DL bringing back nonstop service to additional destinations out of CVG


Thanks for putting those numbers together. With CMH-LAX having gone double-daily on AA and CMH-SEA/SFO/SLC on AS/UA/DL on the horizon, total numbers should see a healthy increase from CMH through 2019 if all other things stay the same - maybe nudging SAT and PIT. CVG stands to gain even more for 2018 with double-digit growth that will likely continue into 2019, eclipsing PIT/LBE and CLE. From the list of additional opportunities:

CVG-LAX/PHX would be two solid adds by AA. Hopefully not a matter of if but when.
DL to SEA from CMH I think would come about as a result of either the route doing better than expected by AS, or DL seeing blood in the water and wanting to force AS out of the market. A bit too early to tell, in my opinion.
UA to LAX from either CVG or CMH seems like a hard sell to me. UA seems content in serving high yield routes or routes where they dominate from LAX. And with CMH-LAX already 3x daily and CVG-LAX at peak 4x daily, both routes seem pretty well satisfied.
I do think CVG could gain back several high O&D routes on Delta such as SAN, PDX, MKE, JAX, XNA, RIC, and ORF. What's more impressive is the steady aircraft upgauges Delta has been implementing at CVG.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:46 pm

ncflyer wrote:
jplatts,
It is bummer that OH is one of the more populous states, with a great geographic location, yet all three major airports are so small compared to similarly sized cities. But what sticks out to me is how drivable OH is to so many major cities in the country. Depending on what part of the state one lives in, NY/CHI/DC/ATL/PHL have serious competition from driving. Denver and Kansas City can't say that. .. and then you've got a place like RDU which has big tourism for golfing and beaches, and draws from literally all of Eastern NC. BNA is a gigantic convention city. IND/MSP/PDX are essentially the only airports in their states and draw from a long way. Etc., etc. Obviously way more goes in to it than population. I'm pretty confident airlines are comfortable with their level of service in all three cities.
I think a lot of people around here are just predispositioned to drive too. I know many people who go to Florida often and always drive (I am not one of those people).
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:21 pm

So true on the driving. For Northeastern Ohioans, the outer banks and Myrtle Beach are incredibly popular vacation options, most commonly driving the W Va Turnpike. . . .that's a long way but people don't even think about it.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:41 pm

Definitely agree about Ohioans penchant towards driving. I truly wonder how much from that crowd NK and G4 have been able to convince to fly.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:31 pm

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Definitely agree about Ohioans penchant towards driving. I truly wonder how much from that crowd NK and G4 have been able to convince to fly.


Both of them were smart about adding not only Florida, but MYR and SAV. I grew up East of Columbus and Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head would become a southern annex of my hometown during the summer.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:41 pm

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Amazon may not be "temporarily re-opening ILN while CVG facility is being built". They are building an entirely new facility at ILN. Tear down of the existing former Airborne sort facilities, namely B & C sort buildings, has already commenced the same day the announcement was made. The previous DHL facility at F may be expanded to where these buildings stand. That doesn't sound very temporary to me.

The first phase is scheduled for opening in 2020, while a full build-out is not going to be ready until 2026-2028. Amazon doesn't want to wait 10 years to grow bigger, so they are going to need split at CVG-DHL and ILN until that second phase opens. Makes total sense to put more money into ILN if they are going to need it for up to 10 years. They need that time to grow the operation to the point that they need a 1200 acre hub at CVG. ILN is a key piece in getting operations up and going so they can be gradually shifted over.


For 10 years that may make sense to spend that large a sum of money. One thing that puzzled me about the announcement was the involvement of the Dayton Development Coalition. Why not pitch the old Emery facility at DAY for that use? Perhaps they did and it was found inadequate or the business terms were not favorable....


I've got an in-the-know contact who says it's five years at least.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:08 am

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From the list of additional opportunities:
CVG-LAX/PHX would be two solid adds by AA. Hopefully not a matter of if but when.
I do think CVG could gain back several high O&D routes on Delta such as SAN, PDX, MKE, JAX, XNA, RIC, and ORF. What's more impressive is the steady aircraft upgauges Delta has been implementing at CVG.


I agree that AA could add nonstop service to LAX and PHX from CVG, and I also agree that DL could bring back additional nonstop routes out of CVG. In addition, WN does have opportunities to add more nonstop routes out of CVG, and WN can likely stimulate additional demand for flights out of CVG if it adds nonstop service to additional destinations out of CVG. WN is also likely to add year-round daily nonstop service to at least 1 additional destination out of CVG since all of the other WN stations that have at least 9 daily departures except for MAF have daily nonstop service to at least 4 destinations.

AS could also add CVG-SEA nonstop service in order to better compete against DL in the SEA market. CVG can also likely support more than 1 daily nonstop to SEA since DL used to have 3 daily nonstops to SEA from CVG 10 years ago.

I think that WN might announce new nonstop routes out of CVG and CMH tomorrow since tomorrow's schedule extension will extend the WN flight schedule to August 5, 2019.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:00 am

CVG-BNA on WN?
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:17 am

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CVG-BNA on WN?


While I agree that WN could possibly add CVG-BNA nonstop service, BNA is only 230 mi from CVG and it is hard to tell if BNA is far enough from CVG to support WN nonstop service to BNA from CVG. On the other hand, BNA is probably far enough from CVG to support CVG-BNA nonstop service on WN since WN already operates some nonstop routes within the contiguous U.S. that are shorter than CVG-BNA. There would also be some passengers connecting to Texas, New Orleans, Atlanta, North Carolina, Charleston (SC), and Florida from CVG through BNA if WN adds CVG-BNA nonstop service.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:30 pm

Haven't looked in detail for a start date but it appears CMH-OAK does come back as daily this summer on WN. Kind of surprised and happy to see that! Not sure what else if anything there is for us in the new schedule
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:02 pm

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Haven't looked in detail for a start date but it appears CMH-OAK does come back as daily this summer on WN. Kind of surprised and happy to see that! Not sure what else if anything there is for us in the new schedule


June 2nd, Sunday-only, then daily (except Saturday) beginning June 9th. The Sunday flights are 10:05am departures and the weekday flights are at 6pm.

I wonder if that's in response to CMH-SFO being announced not long after they said they were dropping OAK. I'm curious if this is permanent or a reactionary Farewell Tour like WN did with MCO and TPA running them one last season before leaving DAY because G4 came to town.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:08 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
boscmh wrote:
Haven't looked in detail for a start date but it appears CMH-OAK does come back as daily this summer on WN. Kind of surprised and happy to see that! Not sure what else if anything there is for us in the new schedule


June 2nd, Sunday-only, then daily (except Saturday) beginning June 9th. The Sunday flights are 10:05am departures and the weekday flights are at 6pm.

I wonder if that's in response to CMH-SFO being announced not long after they said they were dropping OAK. I'm curious if this is permanent or a reactionary Farewell Tour like WN did with MCO and TPA running them one last season before leaving DAY because G4 came to town.


It looks like the Dispatch caught wind of it:

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20181115/ ... for-summer

Also very surprised and pleased to see OAK come back on WN. It's fantastic that CMH will actually have better coverage of the Bay Area by having access to both OAK and SFO. I would be very content with WN keeping the route summer seasonal. It seems like the route did well over the summer - many times often having upgauged the flight to a 738 from a 73G.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:13 am

Even though WN currently carries more passengers per year out of IND than it does out of CMH, WN will actually be bigger by number of daily departures at CMH than at IND in Summer 2019.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:52 pm

September11 wrote:
StuckinCMHland wrote:
Just curious about something:

Has anyone seen or heard any information about what the plans are for rebuilding or building the new terminal at CMH? Is some kind of artist sketch out there, or some kind of planning document out there, or am I imagining something exists that does not really exist?

Thanks for your help.


It is my understanding that CMH airport will demolish the old hangars to allow them build new large one-concourse terminal. I saw a rendering of the new terminal as well as new parking/car rental facility. Pretty neat but when is the question.

https://flycolumbus.com/about-us/new-terminal


Thank you September 11 and Boscmh, I had not seen the drawings. It looks nice, but it looks really expensive too, and a five year project starting five years from now is sad, sort of like the CBJ taking fifteen years to become a playoff team.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:14 pm

So, while trolling around on wikipedia a few days ago, I came across the entry for TWA and noticed the entry states that there used to be an Ambassador's Club lounge at CMH. (This was before I lived in the area... and, in fact, before I really flew very much other than for college.)

Does anyone know where it was located? Did anyone visit? Even better, does anyone have any pictures?

Cheers.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:49 pm

NoTime wrote:
So, while trolling around on wikipedia a few days ago, I came across the entry for TWA and noticed the entry states that there used to be an Ambassador's Club lounge at CMH. (This was before I lived in the area... and, in fact, before I really flew very much other than for college.)

Does anyone know where it was located? Did anyone visit? Even better, does anyone have any pictures?

Cheers.


I'll jump in as best I can, but if anybody else can add (FlyCMH worked there for a while), feel free. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much CMH history on the internet. Fortunately, there's this HP history site, but the photos don't appear to be working: http://awa-history.org/about_awa/columbus/

Going back to the early '90s (as far back as I can remember and using the numbering system at the time), TWA used gates 3, 5, 7, and 9 at CMH. 3 was located more toward the ticketing area, 5 was roughly located around the present B19 (the original gates were rearranged when Skybus came to town), while 7 and 9 are now B23 and B25. The only time I flew HP was in 1993 and we left from 7 which, being 6 years old, stuck out because it had TWA signage either on the jetway or at the gate (or both). Eventually, 7 and 9 went to HP, with TW at 3 and 5 until the end.

The TWA lounge (which later became one for HP) was between Eddie George's and the coffee shop across from B22/24/26. In other words, it was between today's B21 and B23. Somebody on here while ago posted a website with old OAG terminal maps, which might depict it better. What's interesting about TWA at CMH is they had a decent operation with some point to point flying at one point, complete with L-1011s from LAX.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:01 pm

NK's CMH-MSY and -MYR ended for the season on the 7th, with TPA and RSW the next day, giving them five daily flights. If they run the same schedule again this year, there'll be 3 weeks or so where all seven destinations run in the Spring.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:29 pm

NoTime wrote:
So, while trolling around on wikipedia a few days ago, I came across the entry for TWA and noticed the entry states that there used to be an Ambassador's Club lounge at CMH. (This was before I lived in the area... and, in fact, before I really flew very much other than for college.)

Does anyone know where it was located? Did anyone visit? Even better, does anyone have any pictures?

Cheers.
I worked at Dobb's House (airline catering service) in the mid 70's and TWA was the dominate carrier at the time. No 747's which were still fairly new, but lots of 707's. The Ambassador's Club was located in B terminal down the right hand side about 1/4 down. A little history. TWA in the late 70's was looking for a new hub and the competition was between CMH and PHL. Columbus made the offer of subsidizing all unused capacity to guarantee TWA profit. TWA in the end decided to delay making a decision on the hub which I guess was good idea because they began having financial troubles soon after and went out of business in 2001.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:38 am

StuckinCMHland wrote:
September11 wrote:
StuckinCMHland wrote:
Just curious about something:

Has anyone seen or heard any information about what the plans are for rebuilding or building the new terminal at CMH? Is some kind of artist sketch out there, or some kind of planning document out there, or am I imagining something exists that does not really exist?

Thanks for your help.


It is my understanding that CMH airport will demolish the old hangars to allow them build new large one-concourse terminal. I saw a rendering of the new terminal as well as new parking/car rental facility. Pretty neat but when is the question.

https://flycolumbus.com/about-us/new-terminal


Thank you September 11 and Boscmh, I had not seen the drawings. It looks nice, but it looks really expensive too, and a five year project starting five years from now is sad, sort of like the CBJ taking fifteen years to become a playoff team.


CBJ made one playoff appearance in late 2000s...Then, CBJ faced new challenge when NHL moved team to Eastern Conference/Metropolitan Division.
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:27 am

September11 wrote:
StuckinCMHland wrote:
September11 wrote:

It is my understanding that CMH airport will demolish the old hangars to allow them build new large one-concourse terminal. I saw a rendering of the new terminal as well as new parking/car rental facility. Pretty neat but when is the question.

https://flycolumbus.com/about-us/new-terminal


Thank you September 11 and Boscmh, I had not seen the drawings. It looks nice, but it looks really expensive too, and a five year project starting five years from now is sad, sort of like the CBJ taking fifteen years to become a playoff team.


CBJ made one playoff appearance in late 2000s...Then, CBJ faced new challenge when NHL moved team to Eastern Conference/Metropolitan Division.



Been a CBJ fan since day 1, and fwiw I don't consider the team being shelled by the Wings in four games as anything more than a cameo, especially with the results from the next few seasons after it. :banghead: Losing to the Pens in that 6 game series in 2013-14, that was a real playoff appearance. While I did exaggerate the time frame here, the new terminal building seems to be a very long time away (much like the Browns return to the NFL playoffs, if ever) :weeping: :weeping:
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:50 pm

StuckinCMHland wrote:
September11 wrote:
StuckinCMHland wrote:

Thank you September 11 and Boscmh, I had not seen the drawings. It looks nice, but it looks really expensive too, and a five year project starting five years from now is sad, sort of like the CBJ taking fifteen years to become a playoff team.


CBJ made one playoff appearance in late 2000s...Then, CBJ faced new challenge when NHL moved team to Eastern Conference/Metropolitan Division.



Been a CBJ fan since day 1, and fwiw I don't consider the team being shelled by the Wings in four games as anything more than a cameo, especially with the results from the next few seasons after it. :banghead: Losing to the Pens in that 6 game series in 2013-14, that was a real playoff appearance. While I did exaggerate the time frame here, the new terminal building seems to be a very long time away (much like the Browns return to the NFL playoffs, if ever) :weeping: :weeping:


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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:33 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
StuckinCMHland wrote:
September11 wrote:

CBJ made one playoff appearance in late 2000s...Then, CBJ faced new challenge when NHL moved team to Eastern Conference/Metropolitan Division.



Been a CBJ fan since day 1, and fwiw I don't consider the team being shelled by the Wings in four games as anything more than a cameo, especially with the results from the next few seasons after it. :banghead: Losing to the Pens in that 6 game series in 2013-14, that was a real playoff appearance. While I did exaggerate the time frame here, the new terminal building seems to be a very long time away (much like the Browns return to the NFL playoffs, if ever) :weeping: :weeping:


Tortorella=Nardone. Nothing but good has happened since both took over their respective Columbus organizations.


Could not agree more. If we could just get a flight to AMS and if the Buckeye's defense could figure out how not to turn every running back they face into a Heisman candidate, we would be good to go! Slightly O/T, but the expansion at Easton announced today is another good sign of a booming Columbus economy, especially since it will include some "only one in Ohio" type stores.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:24 pm

Columbus is doing everything possible to make the area more of a tourist destination. With AS starting SEA, UA starting SFO, DL starting SLC, and the realistic potential of NK and WN expansion, CMH is on-track to becoming that type of destination that will finally attract the TATL service we've been jonzin' for.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:55 pm

Official announcement of the new lounge coming to Concourse B at CVG! Opens 3rd quarter of 2019. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/ ... o-cvg.html
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:04 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
StuckinCMHland wrote:


Been a CBJ fan since day 1, and fwiw I don't consider the team being shelled by the Wings in four games as anything more than a cameo, especially with the results from the next few seasons after it. :banghead: Losing to the Pens in that 6 game series in 2013-14, that was a real playoff appearance. While I did exaggerate the time frame here, the new terminal building seems to be a very long time away (much like the Browns return to the NFL playoffs, if ever) :weeping: :weeping:


Tortorella=Nardone. Nothing but good has happened since both took over their respective Columbus organizations.


Could not agree more. If we could just get a flight to AMS and if the Buckeye's defense could figure out how not to turn every running back they face into a Heisman candidate, we would be good to go! Slightly O/T, but the expansion at Easton announced today is another good sign of a booming Columbus economy, especially since it will include some "only one in Ohio" type stores.
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CMHMarc787 wrote:
Columbus is doing everything possible to make the area more of a tourist destination. With AS starting SEA, UA starting SFO, DL starting SLC, and the realistic potential of NK and WN expansion, CMH is on-track to becoming that type of destination that will finally attract the TATL service we've been jonzin' for.

I don't think Columbus is ever going to be much of a tourist destination. What is eventually going get CMH a TATL flight is a growing population and economy.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:51 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
CMHMarc787 wrote:
Columbus is doing everything possible to make the area more of a tourist destination. With AS starting SEA, UA starting SFO, DL starting SLC, and the realistic potential of NK and WN expansion, CMH is on-track to becoming that type of destination that will finally attract the TATL service we've been jonzin' for.

I don't think Columbus is ever going to be much of a tourist destination. What is eventually going get CMH a TATL flight is a growing population and economy.


Not saying CMH would find its "thing" tourist-wise, but I still don't see how Austin has become such a darling. The only thing which would cause me at this point to spend money on going there is confirming or denying that notion.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:22 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
brooklynchris13 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:

Tortorella=Nardone. Nothing but good has happened since both took over their respective Columbus organizations.


Could not agree more. If we could just get a flight to AMS and if the Buckeye's defense could figure out how not to turn every running back they face into a Heisman candidate, we would be good to go! Slightly O/T, but the expansion at Easton announced today is another good sign of a booming Columbus economy, especially since it will include some "only one in Ohio" type stores.
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CMHMarc787 wrote:
Columbus is doing everything possible to make the area more of a tourist destination. With AS starting SEA, UA starting SFO, DL starting SLC, and the realistic potential of NK and WN expansion, CMH is on-track to becoming that type of destination that will finally attract the TATL service we've been jonzin' for.

I don't think Columbus is ever going to be much of a tourist destination. What is eventually going get CMH a TATL flight is a growing population and economy.


You mean that there's not much of a market to see the Ohio State Fair, The OSU spring game, the Memorial, and the Clippers outside Central Ohio during the late spring/summer tourist season? :o :hissyfit: :wideeyed: :sarcastic:
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:30 pm

Maybe we ought to do a poll with our Cleveland thread friends:

What happens first (vote for no more than 1):

1. CLE gets new terminal
2. Bengals win a playoff game
3. Blue Jackets win a playoff series
4. CMH starts building new terminal.
5. CVG gets annexed by the state of Ohio
6. CLE decides to do something with Terminal D
7. Browns get to the Super Bowl for the first time.
8. CMH gets a mainline flight to the EU
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:32 pm

I found another source with CMH maps for whoever was asking about the TWA Ambassador's Club/America West Club location:

http://airlinemaps.tumblr.com/search/cmh

TWA at CMH over the years from http://www.departedflights.com/oagintro.html:
1974- BOS, ORD, IND, LAX, LGA, EWR, PHL, PIT, DCA
1979- BOS, ORD, DAY, IND (L10), MCI, LGA, EWR, PHL, PIT, STL, DCA
1981- BOS, ORD, DAY, LAX, LGA, PHL, PIT, STL, DCA
1983- ORD, DAY, MCI, JFK, LGA, STL, DCA
1985- BOS, ORD, DAY, MCI, JFK, LGA, STL, DCA
1989- JFK, LGA, STL, DCA
1991- JFK, LGA, STL
1995 & 1999- STL

I seem to remember JFK came back before the end in 2001, but I'm not sure.

Unrelated, I've always been fascinated about the 38A/38B gates in the first map, which were off in their own little part of the airport. I seem to remember a hallway between DL and whoever had a counter to the right of them back in the day (UA?) which led to it, but it was before they opened C. Were those in the same general area as C46 is now?
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:00 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
I found another source with CMH maps for whoever was asking about the TWA Ambassador's Club/America West Club location:

http://airlinemaps.tumblr.com/search/cmh

TWA at CMH over the years from http://www.departedflights.com/oagintro.html:
1974- BOS, ORD, IND, LAX, LGA, EWR, PHL, PIT, DCA
1979- BOS, ORD, DAY, IND (L10), MCI, LGA, EWR, PHL, PIT, STL, DCA
1981- BOS, ORD, DAY, LAX, LGA, PHL, PIT, STL, DCA
1983- ORD, DAY, MCI, JFK, LGA, STL, DCA
1985- BOS, ORD, DAY, MCI, JFK, LGA, STL, DCA
1989- JFK, LGA, STL, DCA
1991- JFK, LGA, STL
1995 & 1999- STL

I seem to remember JFK came back before the end in 2001, but I'm not sure.

Unrelated, I've always been fascinated about the 38A/38B gates in the first map, which were off in their own little part of the airport. I seem to remember a hallway between DL and whoever had a counter to the right of them back in the day (UA?) which led to it, but it was before they opened C. Were those in the same general area as C46 is now?


Yes, those are where C46/C47 are now and have always where the international/charter gates back to the 1981 remodel and the expansion of the terminal. That is where the Concorde parked when it visited and where I remember watching friends depart to a Rose Bowl on a chartered DC10 back in the early 1980s.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:50 pm

Frontier is resuming CVG-SFO flights effective June 2, 2019, 3x/wk A320.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:31 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Frontier is resuming CVG-SFO flights effective June 2, 2019, 3x/wk A320.


Knew it would return after SJC was cut. Don’t know why it was cancelled in the first place.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:56 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Frontier is resuming CVG-SFO flights effective June 2, 2019, 3x/wk A320.


Knew it would return after SJC was cut. Don’t know why it was cancelled in the first place.

Yeah, I don't understand what they were thinking. DL couldn't make CVG-SJC work with a hub to back it up.

I hope Allegiant or Delta are watching the SAT route, I definitely think one of them could add the route if F9 doesn't reload it.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:59 pm

I'm still amazed CMH is seeing 5 AA mainline RONs now. 3 319s (LAX B20, CLT B21, PHX B23 (assumed)), 2 738s (DFW, B19, B25) this morning.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:51 pm

Im sorry if this has been discussed already but I gave up after wading through a few pages of this thread. We all know how wonderful the search function is here!

Why does LCK have cargo flights from CX (4 weekly from HKG) and CI (3 weekly from TPE) And CV comes from HK too. They just hauling all those iphones etc over from Asia??
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:15 pm

^ I believe a sizable portion of it is clothing imported for Columbus-area HQ'ed retailers like the Limited, A&F, Express, etc
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:08 am

trex8 wrote:
Im sorry if this has been discussed already but I gave up after wading through a few pages of this thread. We all know how wonderful the search function is here!

Why does LCK have cargo flights from CX (4 weekly from HKG) and CI (3 weekly from TPE) And CV comes from HK too. They just hauling all those iphones etc over from Asia??


As boscmh said, clothing and footwear are the overwhelming majority of what comes in. Columbus is a surprisingly large player in the fashion industry: https://www.dispatch.com/content/storie ... ports.html

I think I read that textiles, auto parts, and pharmaceuticals are among the materials going out when the planes leave.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:13 am

DeltaRules wrote:
trex8 wrote:
Im sorry if this has been discussed already but I gave up after wading through a few pages of this thread. We all know how wonderful the search function is here!

Why does LCK have cargo flights from CX (4 weekly from HKG) and CI (3 weekly from TPE) And CV comes from HK too. They just hauling all those iphones etc over from Asia??


As boscmh said, clothing and footwear are the overwhelming majority of what comes in. Columbus is a surprisingly large player in the fashion industry: https://www.dispatch.com/content/storie ... ports.html

I think I read that textiles, auto parts, and pharmaceuticals are among the materials going out when the planes leave.


interesting, would have thought electronics was a big part
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:39 am

trex8 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
trex8 wrote:
Im sorry if this has been discussed already but I gave up after wading through a few pages of this thread. We all know how wonderful the search function is here!

Why does LCK have cargo flights from CX (4 weekly from HKG) and CI (3 weekly from TPE) And CV comes from HK too. They just hauling all those iphones etc over from Asia??


As boscmh said, clothing and footwear are the overwhelming majority of what comes in. Columbus is a surprisingly large player in the fashion industry: https://www.dispatch.com/content/storie ... ports.html

I think I read that textiles, auto parts, and pharmaceuticals are among the materials going out when the planes leave.


interesting, would have thought electronics was a big part


It evidently is. Just before the paywall: https://aircargoworld.com/allposts/expo ... r-airport/
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:45 pm

And the numbers for October at CMH are out:
728,884 passengers in OCT 18 compared to 672,152 in OCT 17, increase of 8.4%
6,767,327 YTD as of 10/31/18 compared to 6,311,291 YTD as of 10/31/17, increase of 7.2%

By airlines:
Southwest up 11.3%; United up 7.7% . Delta Up 3.9%
American down .7%; Air Canada Express down 2.2%; Frontier down 45.2%
Sprit had 32,318 passengers for the month.

Approximate load factors:
United: 86.1%
Delta: 82.7%
Frontier: 83.3%
Spirit: 76.6%
Southwest: 80.1%
Air Canada Express: 54.2%
American: 79.8%

Of note are a couple of other things in the board packet...
1) only minimal improvements in the passenger facility at LCK as part of the revised master plan. I wonder if this is an indication of ops moving to CMH with the new terminal?
2) since 2014, until this year, no single month had passengers greater than 700,000 at CMH. This year, (5) months have been over that number. So the 5h busiest month of 2018 (May @ 717,395) was busier than the busiest month in 2017 (June @ 698,219).

Let's hope it keeps up...
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:06 pm

By airlines:
Southwest up 11.3%; United up 7.7% . Delta Up 3.9%
American down .7%; Air Canada Express down 2.2%; Frontier down 45.2%
Sprit had 32,318 passengers for the month.

Just curious if anyone can give a breakdown of where the growth came from on the UA and WN side? Glad to see UA grow at such a healthy clip. My guess is WN beginning HOU service at the beginning of OCT and UA maintaining 2x daily mainline CMH-ORD throughout the month.

AA hopefully should see good YOY numbers next month with the addition of second daily LAX flight and the early morning CLT flight that's been upgauged to mainline.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:27 am

WOW is giving PIT the axe, things are not looking good for them. I have doubts that FI is going to be able to pick up all of these routes (CVG, STL, CLE, PIT, DFW, JFK, SFO). Hopefully other carriers are looking at CVG...

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