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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:43 pm

Why would DL open a focus city in CMH when they already have one nearby at CVG and they have their 400+ flight DET hub nearby as well?
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:26 am

Fares at CVG were down to $301 for Q4 2017 (rank #83), pretty crazy given the average airfare used to be well over $700 and was the #1 most expensive. I wonder how low fares can get... Here are the peer airports for Q4:

* Indianapolis - $336
* Columbus - $353
* Dayton - $400
* Louisville - $395
* Lexington - $419

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/ ... 035939001/

Still no DL announcement for their recent increases, but DL did confirm that CVG-SEA is going year round: http://news.delta.com/delta-s-seattle-g ... aight-year. Interestingly, the B739 appears to be staying into the fall/winter.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:06 am

ADrum23 wrote:
Why would DL open a focus city in CMH when they already have one nearby at CVG and they have their 400+ flight DET hub nearby as well?


I agree that there is no need for DL to open a focus city at CMH, and DL has less than 50% market share at CMH. Southwest also has significantly greater market share at CMH than DL's mainline operations at CMH (with Southwest having 37.31% market share at CMH and with DL mainline operations having 12.23% market share at CMH).

The only destinations that DL serves nonstop from CMH but that WN does not serve nonstop from CMH are DTW, LAX, MSP, LGA, JFK, and RDU, but all of these destinations are either hubs or focus cities for DL.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:29 am

Midwestindy wrote:
flyguy89 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
WN loads for MDW continue to climb, while BWI remains relatively flat; Pretty good for OCT, which is definitely not a peak travel month:
CVG-BWI: 70%
CVG-MDW: 74%

I think context is important for determining whether or not these routes are meeting WN's expectations. Are you able to pull loads for the same time frame for peer markets IND, CMH and SDF on these two routes? Seeing how CVG's loads stack up against similar markets of similar stage lengths would be informative.

October
IND-BWI-78.3%
IND-MDW-67.5%
CMH-BWI-73.5%
CMH-MDW-81.8%
SDF-BWI-79.0%
SDF-MDW-76.0%

Q3 2017
CVG-MDW-Average fare $102.9
CVG-BWI-Average fare $104.3

SDF-BWI-Average fare $153.7
SDF-MDW-Average fare $136.8
IND-BWI-Average fare $188.7
IND-MDW-Average fare $111.8
CMH-BWI-Average fare $154.5
CMH-MDW-Average fare $137.5


Does anyone know what the load factors and average fare are on CMH-DCA? Southwest has nonstop service to both DCA and BWI from CMH, whereas it currently only serves BWI nonstop from IND, CVG, and SDF.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:39 am

jplatts wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
CMH-BWI-73.5%
CMH-BWI-Average fare $154.5


Does anyone know what the load factors and average fare are on CMH-DCA? Southwest has nonstop service to both DCA and BWI from CMH, whereas it currently only serves BWI nonstop from IND, CVG, and SDF.


CMH-DCA-Average fare $125 Q3 2017
CMH-DCA-76.4% Oct
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:00 am

Midwestindy wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
CMH-BWI-73.5%
CMH-BWI-Average fare $154.5


Does anyone know what the load factors and average fare are on CMH-DCA? Southwest has nonstop service to both DCA and BWI from CMH, whereas it currently only serves BWI nonstop from IND, CVG, and SDF.


CMH-DCA-Average fare $125 Q3 2017
CMH-DCA-76.4% Oct


Just curious, how do you get these statistics so fast?
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:04 am

ADrum23 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
jplatts wrote:

Does anyone know what the load factors and average fare are on CMH-DCA? Southwest has nonstop service to both DCA and BWI from CMH, whereas it currently only serves BWI nonstop from IND, CVG, and SDF.


CMH-DCA-Average fare $125 Q3 2017
CMH-DCA-76.4% Oct


Just curious, how do you get these statistics so fast?


Magic :stirthepot: .....I just have the datasets saved on my computer, nothing fancy
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:19 pm

According to the recently updated terminal map on CMH's website, Spirit will be launching in Concourse B (as we knew), but Frontier is also indicated as now shifted over to Concourse C (and in fact today's departures already show as departing from C47)
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:32 pm

boscmh wrote:
According to the recently updated terminal map on CMH's website, Spirit will be launching in Concourse B (as we knew), but Frontier is also indicated as now shifted over to Concourse C (and in fact today's departures already show as departing from C47)


Good catch- I wonder if NK will have just one gate or set it up so they have that whole corner to themselves.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:50 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Fares at CVG were down to $301 for Q4 2017 (rank #83), pretty crazy given the average airfare used to be well over $700 and was the #1 most expensive. I wonder how low fares can get... Here are the peer airports for Q4:

* Indianapolis - $336
* Columbus - $353
* Dayton - $400
* Louisville - $395
* Lexington - $419

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/ ... 035939001/

Still no DL announcement for their recent increases, but DL did confirm that CVG-SEA is going year round: http://news.delta.com/delta-s-seattle-g ... aight-year. Interestingly, the B739 appears to be staying into the fall/winter.
The interesting thing I have noticed with fares when searching (and I admit, this is all anecdotal), is that CVG still usually has the highest legacy fares between CMH, DAY, and CVG. Obviously the (U)LCC's have helped CVG's average fares tremendously, but it doesn't seem to have trickled up much in my experience.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:09 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Fares at CVG were down to $301 for Q4 2017 (rank #83), pretty crazy given the average airfare used to be well over $700 and was the #1 most expensive. I wonder how low fares can get... Here are the peer airports for Q4:

* Indianapolis - $336
* Columbus - $353
* Dayton - $400
* Louisville - $395
* Lexington - $419

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/ ... 035939001/

Still no DL announcement for their recent increases, but DL did confirm that CVG-SEA is going year round: http://news.delta.com/delta-s-seattle-g ... aight-year. Interestingly, the B739 appears to be staying into the fall/winter.
The interesting thing I have noticed with fares when searching (and I admit, this is all anecdotal), is that CVG still usually has the highest legacy fares between CMH, DAY, and CVG. Obviously the (U)LCC's have helped CVG's average fares tremendously, but it doesn't seem to have trickled up much in my experience.

It largely depends on the city, but this is still very true. I recently flew CMH-BOS because the fare was over double CVG on Delta. Fares have decreased on DL and I used to use CMH/SDF/DAY a lot more, however, I still will probably fly out of another airport at least once this year.

I have noticed INTL fares from CVG are routinely double CMH/CLE/IND, especially to Europe. I recently priced out a trip to CPH and it was half the cost to fly out of CLE compared to CVG (CMH was about 3/4 the price).
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:38 pm

cvgComair wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Fares at CVG were down to $301 for Q4 2017 (rank #83), pretty crazy given the average airfare used to be well over $700 and was the #1 most expensive. I wonder how low fares can get... Here are the peer airports for Q4:

* Indianapolis - $336
* Columbus - $353
* Dayton - $400
* Louisville - $395
* Lexington - $419

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/ ... 035939001/

Still no DL announcement for their recent increases, but DL did confirm that CVG-SEA is going year round: http://news.delta.com/delta-s-seattle-g ... aight-year. Interestingly, the B739 appears to be staying into the fall/winter.
The interesting thing I have noticed with fares when searching (and I admit, this is all anecdotal), is that CVG still usually has the highest legacy fares between CMH, DAY, and CVG. Obviously the (U)LCC's have helped CVG's average fares tremendously, but it doesn't seem to have trickled up much in my experience.

It largely depends on the city, but this is still very true. I recently flew CMH-BOS because the fare was over double CVG on Delta. Fares have decreased on DL and I used to use CMH/SDF/DAY a lot more, however, I still will probably fly out of another airport at least once this year.

I have noticed INTL fares from CVG are routinely double CMH/CLE/IND, especially to Europe. I recently priced out a trip to CPH and it was half the cost to fly out of CLE compared to CVG (CMH was about 3/4 the price).


Unfortunately international fares ex-CVG will remain high due to corporate demand. I once did CVG-PHL-ATL-AMS, and saved about $2K in business. It was worth the extra flight and double layovers.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:41 pm

Apparently CVG and MEM are working together to get DL to bring back the CVG-MEM flight: https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/new ... ntion.html. It makes total sense, the route was preforming really well until the aircraft upgauge and change to 1x/day. There are certainly routes currently using a CRJ-200 that could absorb the extra capacity, freeing up the required aircraft. I hope they are successful.

There is also talk on the MSY forum of more DL routes, I would think CVG would be one of the first adds if there is merit to this.

CVG station manager tweeted "expect more great news from Delta in 2018" referring to CVG. This looks pretty good for new (resumed :-)) routes!
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:52 am

cvgComair wrote:
Apparently CVG and MEM are working together to get DL to bring back the CVG-MEM flight: https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/new ... ntion.html. It makes total sense, the route was preforming really well until the aircraft upgauge and change to 1x/day. There are certainly routes currently using a CRJ-200 that could absorb the extra capacity, freeing up the required aircraft. I hope they are successful.

There is also talk on the MSY forum of more DL routes, I would think CVG would be one of the first adds if there is merit to this.

CVG station manager tweeted "expect more great news from Delta in 2018" referring to CVG. This looks pretty good for new (resumed :-)) routes!


Excellent. I hope Delta adds a fair amount from CVG, the more they add, the more people like me in Nashville don't have to connect in the dreaded ATL. I can see MEM and MSY being added soon, as well as DFW being upgauged to mainline. Any word on LHR?

I am surprised Cincinnati was not in the running for the Amazon 2nd HQ, but with the cargo hub at CVG, at least they didn't lose out too much. I'll bet the cargo hub gives Columbus, Indianapolis and maybe even Nashville a decent shot at landing the HQ so they can be close to the cargo hub.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:05 am

ADrum23 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Apparently CVG and MEM are working together to get DL to bring back the CVG-MEM flight: https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/new ... ntion.html. It makes total sense, the route was preforming really well until the aircraft upgauge and change to 1x/day. There are certainly routes currently using a CRJ-200 that could absorb the extra capacity, freeing up the required aircraft. I hope they are successful.

There is also talk on the MSY forum of more DL routes, I would think CVG would be one of the first adds if there is merit to this.

CVG station manager tweeted "expect more great news from Delta in 2018" referring to CVG. This looks pretty good for new (resumed :-)) routes!


Excellent. I hope Delta adds a fair amount from CVG, the more they add, the more people like me in Nashville don't have to connect in the dreaded ATL. I can see MEM and MSY being added soon, as well as DFW being upgauged to mainline. Any word on LHR?

I am surprised Cincinnati was not in the running for the Amazon 2nd HQ, but with the cargo hub at CVG, at least they didn't lose out too much. I'll bet the cargo hub gives Columbus, Indianapolis and maybe even Nashville a decent shot at landing the HQ so they can be close to the cargo hub.

Unfortunately, I have not heard anything about LHR. I know P&G was lobbying DL about the route earlier this year, but I have no information regarding the outcome. I am hopeful some kind of TATL service comes, wether that is a new seasonal route like AMS/LHR or larger aircraft to CDG for the spring/summer.

While I was hopeful about HQ2, I think the Korger headquarters killed Cincinnati's chances. I hope the CVG hub helps a nearby city land the headquarters, it certainly would be beneficial for the Midwest's image as a whole.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:31 am

jplatts wrote:
I agree that there is no need for DL to open a focus city at CMH, and DL has less than 50% market share at CMH. Southwest also has significantly greater market share at CMH than DL's mainline operations at CMH (with Southwest having 37.31% market share at CMH and with DL mainline operations having 12.23% market share at CMH).

The only destinations that DL serves nonstop from CMH but that WN does not serve nonstop from CMH are DTW, LAX, MSP, LGA, JFK, and RDU, but all of these destinations are either hubs or focus cities for DL.


You can't discount regional flying compared to mainline, though. It all contributes to the airline's operation at an airport. Without looking, you could argue DL mainline has less than 50% market share at CVG with all the regional ops.

It does seem like a bit of overkill to have four focus cities in the same general area (just give me the TATL flight and a couple more hubs and I'm happy), but I'm struggling to think of cities which fit the description set out by the "informed" source at APC (though he's also leading on that there will be more point-to-point TATL flights to compete with ULCCs added as well, so I'm lost at this point).

ADrum23 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Apparently CVG and MEM are working together to get DL to bring back the CVG-MEM flight: https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/new ... ntion.html. It makes total sense, the route was preforming really well until the aircraft upgauge and change to 1x/day. There are certainly routes currently using a CRJ-200 that could absorb the extra capacity, freeing up the required aircraft. I hope they are successful.

There is also talk on the MSY forum of more DL routes, I would think CVG would be one of the first adds if there is merit to this.

CVG station manager tweeted "expect more great news from Delta in 2018" referring to CVG. This looks pretty good for new (resumed :-)) routes!


Excellent. I hope Delta adds a fair amount from CVG, the more they add, the more people like me in Nashville don't have to connect in the dreaded ATL. I can see MEM and MSY being added soon, as well as DFW being upgauged to mainline. Any word on LHR?

I am surprised Cincinnati was not in the running for the Amazon 2nd HQ, but with the cargo hub at CVG, at least they didn't lose out too much. I'll bet the cargo hub gives Columbus, Indianapolis and maybe even Nashville a decent shot at landing the HQ so they can be close to the cargo hub.


I figure Columbus is a longshot, but they do already have a presence in the area with a couple Prime distribution centers and a newly-opened data center of some sort.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:59 am

DeltaRules wrote:
jplatts wrote:
I agree that there is no need for DL to open a focus city at CMH, and DL has less than 50% market share at CMH. Southwest also has significantly greater market share at CMH than DL's mainline operations at CMH (with Southwest having 37.31% market share at CMH and with DL mainline operations having 12.23% market share at CMH).

The only destinations that DL serves nonstop from CMH but that WN does not serve nonstop from CMH are DTW, LAX, MSP, LGA, JFK, and RDU, but all of these destinations are either hubs or focus cities for DL.


You can't discount regional flying compared to mainline, though. It all contributes to the airline's operation at an airport. Without looking, you could argue DL mainline has less than 50% market share at CVG with all the regional ops.

It does seem like a bit of overkill to have four focus cities in the same general area (just give me the TATL flight and a couple more hubs and I'm happy), but I'm struggling to think of cities which fit the description set out by the "informed" source at APC (though he's also leading on that there will be more point-to-point TATL flights to compete with ULCCs added as well, so I'm lost at this point).


According to the BTS statistics for CMH (which can be found at https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?pn=1&Airport=CMH), the combined market share of WN, AA mainline, and Envoy Air (which is owned by the American Airlines Group and who operates solely under the American Eagle brand) comes out to 50.94%. Delta mainline plus Delta Connection regional operations still has less than 50% market share at CMH.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:20 am

cvgComair wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Apparently CVG and MEM are working together to get DL to bring back the CVG-MEM flight: https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/new ... ntion.html. It makes total sense, the route was preforming really well until the aircraft upgauge and change to 1x/day. There are certainly routes currently using a CRJ-200 that could absorb the extra capacity, freeing up the required aircraft. I hope they are successful.

There is also talk on the MSY forum of more DL routes, I would think CVG would be one of the first adds if there is merit to this.

CVG station manager tweeted "expect more great news from Delta in 2018" referring to CVG. This looks pretty good for new (resumed :-)) routes!


Excellent. I hope Delta adds a fair amount from CVG, the more they add, the more people like me in Nashville don't have to connect in the dreaded ATL. I can see MEM and MSY being added soon, as well as DFW being upgauged to mainline. Any word on LHR?

I am surprised Cincinnati was not in the running for the Amazon 2nd HQ, but with the cargo hub at CVG, at least they didn't lose out too much. I'll bet the cargo hub gives Columbus, Indianapolis and maybe even Nashville a decent shot at landing the HQ so they can be close to the cargo hub.

Unfortunately, I have not heard anything about LHR. I know P&G was lobbying DL about the route earlier this year, but I have no information regarding the outcome. I am hopeful some kind of TATL service comes, wether that is a new seasonal route like AMS/LHR or larger aircraft to CDG for the spring/summer.

While I was hopeful about HQ2, I think the Korger headquarters killed Cincinnati's chances. I hope the CVG hub helps a nearby city land the headquarters, it certainly would be beneficial for the Midwest's image as a whole.


The best shot at a LHR flight is Worldpay and P&G being willing to provide seat guarantees. Problem is that the PHL slot is likely to shift to BOS once DL has to give that slot back to AA, and the other slot that DL has doesn't include M/F.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:45 am

WWads wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:

Excellent. I hope Delta adds a fair amount from CVG, the more they add, the more people like me in Nashville don't have to connect in the dreaded ATL. I can see MEM and MSY being added soon, as well as DFW being upgauged to mainline. Any word on LHR?

I am surprised Cincinnati was not in the running for the Amazon 2nd HQ, but with the cargo hub at CVG, at least they didn't lose out too much. I'll bet the cargo hub gives Columbus, Indianapolis and maybe even Nashville a decent shot at landing the HQ so they can be close to the cargo hub.

Unfortunately, I have not heard anything about LHR. I know P&G was lobbying DL about the route earlier this year, but I have no information regarding the outcome. I am hopeful some kind of TATL service comes, wether that is a new seasonal route like AMS/LHR or larger aircraft to CDG for the spring/summer.

While I was hopeful about HQ2, I think the Korger headquarters killed Cincinnati's chances. I hope the CVG hub helps a nearby city land the headquarters, it certainly would be beneficial for the Midwest's image as a whole.


The best shot at a LHR flight is Worldpay and P&G being willing to provide seat guarantees. Problem is that the PHL slot is likely to shift to BOS once DL has to give that slot back to AA, and the other slot that DL has doesn't include M/F.


I don't think DL would need to do a daily flight for CVG-LHR, they'd need about 4x a week. Perhaps even only running it seasonally to start. Though without Monday or Friday as an option for a departure, that would be a bit of an issue.

What about restoring AMS? Does Cincinnati have a lot of traffic to Amsterdam? I'd think they'd have an easier time slot wise restoring that service.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:10 am

ADrum23 wrote:
WWads wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Unfortunately, I have not heard anything about LHR. I know P&G was lobbying DL about the route earlier this year, but I have no information regarding the outcome. I am hopeful some kind of TATL service comes, wether that is a new seasonal route like AMS/LHR or larger aircraft to CDG for the spring/summer.

While I was hopeful about HQ2, I think the Korger headquarters killed Cincinnati's chances. I hope the CVG hub helps a nearby city land the headquarters, it certainly would be beneficial for the Midwest's image as a whole.


The best shot at a LHR flight is Worldpay and P&G being willing to provide seat guarantees. Problem is that the PHL slot is likely to shift to BOS once DL has to give that slot back to AA, and the other slot that DL has doesn't include M/F.


I don't think DL would need to do a daily flight for CVG-LHR, they'd need about 4x a week. Perhaps even only running it seasonally to start. Though without Monday or Friday as an option for a departure, that would be a bit of an issue.

What about restoring AMS? Does Cincinnati have a lot of traffic to Amsterdam? I'd think they'd have an easier time slot wise restoring that service.

As far as LHR, those slots don't necessarily need to come directly from the 5x/week slots. When they started PDX, they let Virgin take over the SEA flight and used the slots for PDX. I am pretty sure they are not maxed out on slots for the flights on ATL/DTW/SLC-LHR, so some shuffling around probably could allow a summer seasonal CVG-LHR.

As far as AMS, there is not much O&D demand, but connections would be available. Loads were not very good on that route when DL last operated, frankly I don't know how the demand has changed since then.

I know that by far CVG-FRA/LON are the two largest TATL markets from CVG, though, I don't know which is first. I know it was previously FRA, but some businesses reduced operations in Cincinnati after the flight was cut, so LON might be higher currently. Obviously, they currently fly to CDG for the onward connecting opportunities. Flights are timed pretty poorly for XXX-CVG-Europe connections currently, if that were changed, that could possibly help another TATL flights chances.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:47 am

ADrum23 wrote:
WWads wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Unfortunately, I have not heard anything about LHR. I know P&G was lobbying DL about the route earlier this year, but I have no information regarding the outcome. I am hopeful some kind of TATL service comes, wether that is a new seasonal route like AMS/LHR or larger aircraft to CDG for the spring/summer.

While I was hopeful about HQ2, I think the Korger headquarters killed Cincinnati's chances. I hope the CVG hub helps a nearby city land the headquarters, it certainly would be beneficial for the Midwest's image as a whole.


The best shot at a LHR flight is Worldpay and P&G being willing to provide seat guarantees. Problem is that the PHL slot is likely to shift to BOS once DL has to give that slot back to AA, and the other slot that DL has doesn't include M/F.


I don't think DL would need to do a daily flight for CVG-LHR, they'd need about 4x a week. Perhaps even only running it seasonally to start. Though without Monday or Friday as an option for a departure, that would be a bit of an issue.

What about restoring AMS? Does Cincinnati have a lot of traffic to Amsterdam? I'd think they'd have an easier time slot wise restoring that service.


Delta (DL) has a codeshare and mileage-earning partnership with Virgin Atlantic (VS), and VS could also go to CVG-LHR if it has room to do so. DL would also be able to connect passengers onto some of its domestic flights from LHR through CVG if VS adds CVG-LHR nonstop service. On the other hand, British Airways (BA) is in the oneworld alliance and does not have any codeshare or mileage-earning relationship with DL, but BA does codeshare with American Airlines (AA) and Alaska Airlines (AS).

DL does have a codeshare and mileage-earning relationship with KL, and if either one of these carriers adds CVG-AMS nonstop service, DL would be able to connect passengers from AMS onto DL flights to destinations in the U.S. through CVG and KL would be able to connect passengers onto KL flights to destinations in Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and Asia through AMS.

AMS is a good connecting point for Germany, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Asia from CVG, but it is too far east for connections to Ireland, the United Kingdom, France, Spain, and Portugal. On the other hand, LHR is a better option for connections to Ireland, England, Scotland, France, Spain, and Portugal than AMS is, and DL's partner VS can connect passengers to destinations in these countries if LHR-CVG nonstop service is added by DL or VS.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:55 am

jplatts wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
WWads wrote:

The best shot at a LHR flight is Worldpay and P&G being willing to provide seat guarantees. Problem is that the PHL slot is likely to shift to BOS once DL has to give that slot back to AA, and the other slot that DL has doesn't include M/F.


I don't think DL would need to do a daily flight for CVG-LHR, they'd need about 4x a week. Perhaps even only running it seasonally to start. Though without Monday or Friday as an option for a departure, that would be a bit of an issue.

What about restoring AMS? Does Cincinnati have a lot of traffic to Amsterdam? I'd think they'd have an easier time slot wise restoring that service.


Delta (DL) has a codeshare and mileage-earning partnership with Virgin Atlantic (VS), and VS could also go to CVG-LHR if it has room to do so. DL would also be able to connect passengers onto some of its domestic flights from LHR through CVG if VS adds CVG-LHR nonstop service. On the other hand, British Airways (BA) is in the oneworld alliance and does not have any codeshare or mileage-earning relationship with DL, but BA does codeshare with American Airlines (AA) and Alaska Airlines (AS).

DL does have a codeshare and mileage-earning relationship with KL, and if either one of these carriers adds CVG-AMS nonstop service, DL would be able to connect passengers from AMS onto DL flights to destinations in the U.S. through CVG and KL would be able to connect passengers onto KL flights to destinations in Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and Asia through AMS.

AMS is a good connecting point for Germany, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Asia from CVG, but it is too far east for connections to Ireland, the United Kingdom, France, Spain, and Portugal. On the other hand, LHR is a better option for connections to Ireland, England, Scotland, France, Spain, and Portugal than AMS is, and DL's partner VS can connect passengers to destinations in these countries if LHR-CVG nonstop service is added by DL or VS.


I highly doubt VS would even consider CVG since they don't even fly into bigger markets like ORD, DFW, IAH, etc. Likewise, KL wouldn't be likely to add AMS. Unlike BA, VS, AF and KL don't seem to keen on operating routes into mid-sized markets in the US, preferring to leave those to DL.

I feel CVG would need more connecting traffic to make a CVG-LHR flight successful without hurting the existing CVG-CDG service. Since I doubt DL is interested in building up CVG much beyond what it is now, they would have to rely on the existing connecting traffic. I feel there aren't enough frequencies on the existing routes to make good connection traffic. For example, where I am (BNA), I cannot book BNA-CVG-CDG because the only BNA flight leaves around 6:00 am and the CDG flight does not leave until night. Having an afternoon/early evening BNA-CVG flight would make catching the CDG flight possible. I'd much rather connect via CVG rather than the dreaded ATL, JFK or even DTW.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:09 am

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AMS is a good connecting point for Germany, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Asia from CVG, but it is too far east for connections to Ireland, the United Kingdom, France, Spain, and Portugal. On the other hand, LHR is a better option for connections to Ireland, England, Scotland, France, Spain, and Portugal than AMS is, and DL's partner VS can connect passengers to destinations in these countries if LHR-CVG nonstop service is added by DL or VS.
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VS doesn't fly to any of those from LHR. "Little Red" wet-leased A320 service to Edinburgh, Manchester, and Glasgow ended several years ago.
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:28 am

@jplatts, I doubt any foreign SkyTeam carriers would serve CVG. Most of them don't serve smaller markets and they do not have the aircraft (752/763) to make such routes work. DL's own metal would be the only possibility.
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I feel CVG would need more connecting traffic to make a CVG-LHR flight successful without hurting the existing CVG-CDG service. Since I doubt DL is interested in building up CVG much beyond what it is now, they would have to rely on the existing connecting traffic. I feel there aren't enough frequencies on the existing routes to make good connection traffic. For example, where I am (BNA), I cannot book BNA-CVG-CDG because the only BNA flight leaves around 6:00 am and the CDG flight does not leave until night. Having an afternoon/early evening BNA-CVG flight would make catching the CDG flight possible. I'd much rather connect via CVG rather than the dreaded ATL, JFK or even DTW.

I agree on the connections. It would be nice if they timed flights on BNA/AUS/STL/MCI/DFW/IAH/RDU + possible adds such as MSY/MEM/SAT to allow for connections onto Europe. Most of those flights come in about an hour or two early for reasonable connection times. I am only seeing CLT-CVG-CDG with the nice ~1 hour connection time.
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:26 pm

Quite a few timing tweaks to the DL schedule this morning. Interestingly, they did add a CVG-ORD flight for Saturday and brought the frequency back up to 4x/day during the week. I don't see anything changed for CMH/DAY.

Apparently AUS is having a big DL announcement on Feb 6th, I would expect anything on CVG to be around that time (since AUS-CVG would most certainly be talked about in that announcement), so we probably still have another few weeks that DL could add capacity for the summer.
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:45 pm

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Quite a few timing tweaks to the DL schedule this morning. Interestingly, they did add a CVG-ORD flight for Saturday and brought the frequency back up to 4x/day during the week. I don't see anything changed for CMH/DAY.

Apparently AUS is having a big DL announcement on Feb 6th, I would expect anything on CVG to be around that time (since AUS-CVG would most certainly be talked about in that announcement), so we probably still have another few weeks that DL could add capacity for the summer.


How are the loads on CVG-ORD doing? Could they add a mainline at some point?

I wonder if this AUS announcement will be when they finally launch the long-rumored AUS-AMS, or maybe they are opening a focus city?
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:51 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Quite a few timing tweaks to the DL schedule this morning. Interestingly, they did add a CVG-ORD flight for Saturday and brought the frequency back up to 4x/day during the week. I don't see anything changed for CMH/DAY.

Apparently AUS is having a big DL announcement on Feb 6th, I would expect anything on CVG to be around that time (since AUS-CVG would most certainly be talked about in that announcement), so we probably still have another few weeks that DL could add capacity for the summer.


How are the loads on CVG-ORD doing? Could they add a mainline at some point?

I wonder if this AUS announcement will be when they finally launch the long-rumored AUS-AMS, or maybe they are opening a focus city?


Unfortunately, it looks like DL is operating CVG-ORD exclusively on CRJ-200s, at least as of July. It is a shame that there is no first class product offered.

It is hard for me to fathom that DL would turn around and add CVG-MEM, after having eliminated that route in the fall.

I was hopeful that there would be additional CVG adds, given that DL has not yet announced CVG-AUS. But, with rumors of a DL announcement in AUS in February, I suspect that the additions will be AUS-focused rather than CVG-focused. Let's hope that I am being overly pessimistic.
 
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It is hard for me to fathom that DL would turn around and add CVG-MEM, after having eliminated that route in the fall.

I also agree that I was pretty confident the route was gone for good. Though, if both CVG and MEM are pushing DL for it (possibly monetary incentives/get some kind of corporate contract like XNA) and DL could find the planes for 2x/day, I think it could work. It was doing fine when the timing was right, that is the key issue, the demand is there.

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How are the loads on CVG-ORD doing? Could they add a mainline at some point?

I highly doubt it. DL tried to drown the route with capacity when WN announced CVG-MDW, but they just added too much. It's back to 4x/CRJ (was 5x/CRJ before WN came). Similar to IND, the CVG-CHI O&D demand is not that high because it is not an unreasonable distance to drive. I think a lot of the DL traffic on the route is making connections in CVG or taking a Skyteam international flight out of ORD.

Shields wrote:
I was hopeful that there would be additional CVG adds, given that DL has not yet announced CVG-AUS. But, with rumors of a DL announcement in AUS in February, I suspect that the additions will be AUS-focused rather than CVG-focused. Let's hope that I am being overly pessimistic.

Stuff for CVG is coming, I doubt the station manager, a DL rep, and CVG officials would tease expansion and more routes if nothing was coming. I was saying that I think they will come out around the date the AUS announcement is made. Apparently something at IND is happening as well, I am sure its not a coincidence that CVG/IND/AUS are all getting hints of new routes to be announced in early February. Last year DL announced its CVG expansion in early February, so the timing makes sense.
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:15 pm

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Why would DL open a focus city in CMH when they already have one nearby at CVG and they have their 400+ flight DET hub nearby as well?


Because all signs point to DL being about to open one at IND which is a similar distance to both CVG and DTW. The numbers for market share at IND and CMH for the top four are eerily similar.

That probably hinders CMH's chances honestly, but DL seems to be thinking outside the box. I just want the TATL flight and a couple more destinations, honestly.
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:55 pm

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ADrum23 wrote:
Why would DL open a focus city in CMH when they already have one nearby at CVG and they have their 400+ flight DET hub nearby as well?


Because all signs point to DL being about to open one at IND which is a similar distance to both CVG and DTW. The numbers for market share at IND and CMH for the top four are eerily similar.

That probably hinders CMH's chances honestly, but DL seems to be thinking outside the box. I just want the TATL flight and a couple more destinations, honestly.


Even though DL seems to be thinking outside of the box (which is a nice), I'd still be surprised to see full blown focus cities in IND and/or CMH. That'd probably be too much capacity within a short distance, unless of course they do something way out there like dismantle DTW and spread the capacity between IND, CVG, CMH and DTW.
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:57 pm

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ADrum23 wrote:
How are the loads on CVG-ORD doing? Could they add a mainline at some point?

I highly doubt it. DL tried to drown the route with capacity when WN announced CVG-MDW, but they just added too much. It's back to 4x/CRJ (was 5x/CRJ before WN came). Similar to IND, the CVG-CHI O&D demand is not that high because it is not an unreasonable distance to drive. I think a lot of the DL traffic on the route is making connections in CVG or taking a Skyteam international flight out of ORD.


So if the route cannot be sustained on anything bigger than a CRJ, what are they going to do when DL retires all the CRJ-200's? Could that not lead to routes out of CVG that cannot support a plane bigger than that being cut?
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:10 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
How are the loads on CVG-ORD doing? Could they add a mainline at some point?

I highly doubt it. DL tried to drown the route with capacity when WN announced CVG-MDW, but they just added too much. It's back to 4x/CRJ (was 5x/CRJ before WN came). Similar to IND, the CVG-CHI O&D demand is not that high because it is not an unreasonable distance to drive. I think a lot of the DL traffic on the route is making connections in CVG or taking a Skyteam international flight out of ORD.

So if the route cannot be sustained on anything bigger than a CRJ, what are they going to do when DL retires all the CRJ-200's? Could that not lead to routes out of CVG that cannot support a plane bigger than that being cut?

My understanding is that the remaining CRJ-200’s are here to stay, with no retirements expected for quite a while. Eventually that may be an issue, but I don’t anticipate that being a problem anytime soon. It is also possible that the schedule is filler at the moment, they have changed the aircraft operating pretty much every route from CVG multiple times over the last month. Since we know more stuff is coming, I would’t read too much into the change just yet. Loads on CVG-ORD have been about 70-80% for the last few months published by the DOT.
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:23 pm

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I feel CVG would need more connecting traffic to make a CVG-LHR flight successful without hurting the existing CVG-CDG service.


I doubt an LHR flight would hurt the CVG-CDG flight. My guess is most CVG travellers to LHR are connecting stateside in DTW, ATL or JFK.
 
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:40 pm

I haven't seen this talked about at all on a.net but I'm bringing it up here because it cause possibly have an impact on local CVG flights. Frontier and Volaris have announced a codeshare agreement. It's still subject to regulatory approval but the Volaris CEO estimates that the agreement will lead to them adding 20 new destinations to their Network and 80 new routes between Mexico and the US.

My personal opinion of this is that if this goes through then there could a decent chance of Volaris and Frontier making CVG a connecting point as Frontier is already in progress of doing so.
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:50 pm

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I haven't seen this talked about at all on a.net but I'm bringing it up here because it cause possibly have an impact on local CVG flights. Frontier and Volaris have announced a codeshare agreement. It's still subject to regulatory approval but the Volaris CEO estimates that the agreement will lead to them adding 20 new destinations to their Network and 80 new routes between Mexico and the US.

My personal opinion of this is that if this goes through then there could a decent chance of Volaris and Frontier making CVG a connecting point as Frontier is already in progress of doing so.


Yeah I️ was wondering why no one had posted anything about that in this thread, I️ was going to but I️ guess I️ just forgot.

Anyway, do you have any links to what the CEO said. F9 serves CVG-CUN already right? maybe they could add CVG-MEX, any other routes that you could see being added?
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:11 pm

I guess I have always assumed that the CVG-Mexico demand is pretty paltry, given that DL only operated a 1x/week CUN flight and had PVR/SJD for a very brief amount of time. I have written down that CVG-MEX was also announced, but I cannot find any evidence that it ever took off. Connections would certainly help, that would be interesting to see happen.
 
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:03 pm

AirportRival wrote:
I haven't seen this talked about at all on a.net but I'm bringing it up here because it cause possibly have an impact on local CVG flights. Frontier and Volaris have announced a codeshare agreement. It's still subject to regulatory approval but the Volaris CEO estimates that the agreement will lead to them adding 20 new destinations to their Network and 80 new routes between Mexico and the US.

My personal opinion of this is that if this goes through then there could a decent chance of Volaris and Frontier making CVG a connecting point as Frontier is already in progress of doing so.


Y4 does have nonstop service from DFW to GDL, and F9 might possibly be able to connect passengers from CVG to GDL through DFW on the Y4 DFW-GDL nonstop if the F9 CVG-DFW flight arrives before the Y4 DFW-GDL flight, if the Y4 GDL-DFW nonstop flight arrives before the F9 DFW-CVG nonstop flight, and if there is enough time in between the flights in order to allow passengers to make the connection between F9 and Y4 at DFW. At DFW Airport, Terminal D (where Volaris is located) is connected to Terminal E (where Frontier is located) through the Skylink train behind security and through the Terminal Link buses outside of the secure area.
 
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:16 pm

I just ran the seat capacity numbers YOY for F9, luckily CVG is still going to see a slight increase. June 2017 was 71,820 seats, while June 2018 will be 72,540. Some stations of F9's bigger stations like CLE are seeing huge reductions next year (74,510 seats in June 2017 vs 54,098 in June 2018).
 
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:47 pm

G4's growth is going to be really impressive, they have a 28% seat gain scheduled YOY with 53,972 one-way seats scheduled in June 2017 and 68,858 one-way seats for June 2018. Tentatively, that should push CVG ahead of PGD and AZA to become G4's 4th largest market (CVG remains F9's 4th largest market next year as well). That puts G4 and F9 almost dead even at CVG and moves G4 to #3 behind DL and F9. All in all, G4 should carry over 1 million passengers over the 2018 calendar year at CVG, pretty impressive!

Overall, the growth already scheduled for 2018 exceedes the growth from 2017. This doesn't include whatever increases G4/DL/UA/WN will surely make over the year or any new carriers coming to CVG. I am very confident that traffic will be over 9 million this year!
 
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:21 pm

Flew out of CMH here this morning, (unfortunately on WN in A, so I wasn't able to see what F9 and NK's respective gate situations were in B and C), but it appears WN's counter space was cut back slightly, and there is now a sizable area waiting for Spirit to claim right between Southwest and the Charters desk in the southern half of the ticket hall. No branding is up yet, but I imagine that will be arriving very shortly

Also, CRAA's first board meeting of the year is this coming Tuesday the 23rd, so we should get both December and final 2017 numbers for CMH and LCK reported then. From my best guess it appears CMH will come in around 7.6M (up from ~7.3M in 16) and LCK at over 260k (up from ~200k in 16)

NK will provide a nice boost right off the bat this year, but I hope we also hear more new service announcements soon...
 
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:18 pm

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Flew out of CMH here this morning, (unfortunately on WN in A, so I wasn't able to see what F9 and NK's respective gate situations were in B and C), but it appears WN's counter space was cut back slightly, and there is now a sizable area waiting for Spirit to claim right between Southwest and the Charters desk in the southern half of the ticket hall. No branding is up yet, but I imagine that will be arriving very shortly


I'm beginning to wonder what sorts of agreements CMH has with its airlines regarding counter space and if there's some sort of arrangement where airlines with huge counter locations have to give some up if new airlines come in. DL lost a little bit of space to carve out a spot for J1 and UA has a little more real estate than they might need, too.

If a bit of the CRAA branding (which is nice looking, by the way) is still there after NK's logos go up, I'll wonder if they're leaving space for somebody else to come to town.
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:38 pm

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I'm beginning to wonder what sorts of agreements CMH has with its airlines regarding counter space and if there's some sort of arrangement where airlines with huge counter locations have to give some up if new airlines come in. DL lost a little bit of space to carve out a spot for J1 and UA has a little more real estate than they might need, too.

If a bit of the CRAA branding (which is nice looking, by the way) is still there after NK's logos go up, I'll wonder if they're leaving space for somebody else to come to town.


I've also been curious about this as well... Where J1 went in on the northern half there's now (quite annoyingly) a single vacant counter position in between them and F9's (slightly oversized?) spot. I know OneJet doesn't need much space at all, but maybe they will claim that as well if the MKE flights are a success and they then look to expand. Visually, because there's a door awkwardly placed there it would work better for a Frontier expansion, but IMO they already have way too much space for the size of operation they're running right at the moment...

Otherwise, I'm not sure where new carriers would get squeezed in exactly, but I think for sure space would be made if and when AS comes to town or B6 returns
 
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boscmh wrote:
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I'm beginning to wonder what sorts of agreements CMH has with its airlines regarding counter space and if there's some sort of arrangement where airlines with huge counter locations have to give some up if new airlines come in. DL lost a little bit of space to carve out a spot for J1 and UA has a little more real estate than they might need, too.

If a bit of the CRAA branding (which is nice looking, by the way) is still there after NK's logos go up, I'll wonder if they're leaving space for somebody else to come to town.


I've also been curious about this as well... Where J1 went in on the northern half there's now (quite annoyingly) a single vacant counter position in between them and F9's (slightly oversized?) spot. I know OneJet doesn't need much space at all, but maybe they will claim that as well if the MKE flights are a success and they then look to expand. Visually, because there's a door awkwardly placed there it would work better for a Frontier expansion, but IMO they already have way too much space for the size of operation they're running right at the moment...

Otherwise, I'm not sure where new carriers would get squeezed in exactly, but I think for sure space would be made if and when AS comes to town or B6 returns


Broken record time on my part, but I figure AS/VX and/or B6 are the only major airlines left for CMH to get, but I still don't get why they lopped off the counters around the corners on the way to A and C; that space is just a wall, at least on the C end. I don't figure G4 is going to move from LCK, especially given there's money allocated for an LCK renovation in the budget for 2017-18. (Yep, I'm that bored. I was also looking for updated air service incentives.) Southern Airways Express could come given the YNG town hall they had a while ago yielding their CEO (or whomever) liked the idea of a YNG-CMH flight, but I'd figure they would take less space than OneJet.

Then again, they used to have an entire airline's worth of counters in basically the space they have now (left to right; B6, DL on the bend at C, SX, AA, UA, YX (the gap leading to B), US, CO, NW, Charters, WN on the bend to A) so maybe the incumbents might get to squeeze a little more.
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:21 pm

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AirportRival wrote:
I haven't seen this talked about at all on a.net but I'm bringing it up here because it cause possibly have an impact on local CVG flights. Frontier and Volaris have announced a codeshare agreement. It's still subject to regulatory approval but the Volaris CEO estimates that the agreement will lead to them adding 20 new destinations to their Network and 80 new routes between Mexico and the US.

My personal opinion of this is that if this goes through then there could a decent chance of Volaris and Frontier making CVG a connecting point as Frontier is already in progress of doing so.


Yeah I️ was wondering why no one had posted anything about that in this thread, I️ was going to but I️ guess I️ just forgot.

Anyway, do you have any links to what the CEO said. F9 serves CVG-CUN already right? maybe they could add CVG-MEX, any other routes that you could see being added?


The following link should take you to the press release. Let me know if you can't see it. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4OtyV ... p=drivesdk
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:47 pm

AirportRival wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
I haven't seen this talked about at all on a.net but I'm bringing it up here because it cause possibly have an impact on local CVG flights. Frontier and Volaris have announced a codeshare agreement. It's still subject to regulatory approval but the Volaris CEO estimates that the agreement will lead to them adding 20 new destinations to their Network and 80 new routes between Mexico and the US.

My personal opinion of this is that if this goes through then there could a decent chance of Volaris and Frontier making CVG a connecting point as Frontier is already in progress of doing so.


Yeah I️ was wondering why no one had posted anything about that in this thread, I️ was going to but I️ guess I️ just forgot.

Anyway, do you have any links to what the CEO said. F9 serves CVG-CUN already right? maybe they could add CVG-MEX, any other routes that you could see being added?


The following link should take you to the press release. Let me know if you can't see it. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4OtyV ... p=drivesdk


We can see it, thanks
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:54 pm

Looks like DL 9755 a A359 came to CMH this morn but went back to DTW ! Anyone know ?
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:02 pm

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Looks like DL 9755 a A359 came to CMH this morn but went back to DTW ! Anyone know ?
Training flight most likely.
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Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:21 pm

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Robert1010 wrote:
Looks like DL 9755 a A359 came to CMH this morn but went back to DTW ! Anyone know ?
Training flight most likely.


DL has been using CMH for A350 crew training flights for a couple months now. Some flights even RON.

Some of them also touch DAY, whether it's a DTW-CMH-DAY-CMH-DTW routing, DTW-DAY-CMH-DTW, etc.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:12 pm

What’s up with the CDG flight? It doesn’t appear to be 7x/week anymore.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:19 pm

WWads wrote:
What’s up with the CDG flight? It doesn’t appear to be 7x/week anymore.


During winter it goes down to 5x weekly, fall it goes down to 5-6x weekly. I think it has been that way for awhile though, so it isn't a recent cut
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