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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:26 am

brooklynchris13 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
On that note, AA's going to be in a similar boat in a few days, with 2 DFW (738/M80), 1 CLT, 1 PHX, and 1 LAX (all 319).


On the AA side it looks like the CLT mainline is being swapped for that second LAX flight. I would look for any winter mainline (CLT or a return of PHL) to appear in the afternoon. AA is pretty constrained on mainline gate capacity, with those operations being confined to the South side of B (19, 21, 23, 25). I would guess their next mainline gate would be B28, but I do not think it has been used for that in a long time. All good problems to have as the growth continues.


For about 3 weeks in November, AA will indeed have 5 RON mainline jets in CMH per the schedule mentioned by DeltaRules. After that it will go to 4 when DFW looses a frequency. Not quite sure how they'll gate them - B28 was modified for regional jet use - I'm not sure if the envelope was adjusted as well. I didn't realize B20 was modified for mainline usage - B22 was the original dual-purpose bridge where USAirways would park the occasional 733. That being said, I'm not familiar with changes to these stands that would allow for mainline use.

Midwestindy wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
brooklynchris13 wrote:

The connection question is interesting, too. (That sounds like Midwestindy territory!) PHX/LAX to LGA/DCA is a throwback to the HP hub days. DL could theoretically connect LAX passengers to LGA through CMH in the same way AA does.


DL doesn't connect passengers through CMH, excluding the rare exception.

Pax number is avg per day

in Q2 AA connected some, but not too much
LAX-CMH-XXX=4 Pax
XXX-CMH-LAX=6 Pax
PHX-CMH-XXX=12 Pax
XXX-CMH-PHX=2 Pax

Here are some routes that WN connected a decent amount of passengers on
XXX-CMH-BOS =10.5 Pax
BOS-CMH-XXX=25 Pax
XXX-CMH-BWI=20 Pax
BWI-CMH-XXX=21 Pax
DCA-CMH-XXX=20 Pax
XXX-CMH-DCA=18 Pax
MDW-CMH-XXX=26 Pax
XXX-CMH-MDW=21 Pax

Don't know OAK numbers but I assume they would be decent


Interesting information, thanks. I remember back when I worked at CMH both DL and US/AA would interline often to UA/AC. I always figured they were Priceline ticket itineraries, lol.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:42 pm

flyCMH wrote:
brooklynchris13 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
On that note, AA's going to be in a similar boat in a few days, with 2 DFW (738/M80), 1 CLT, 1 PHX, and 1 LAX (all 319).


On the AA side it looks like the CLT mainline is being swapped for that second LAX flight. I would look for any winter mainline (CLT or a return of PHL) to appear in the afternoon. AA is pretty constrained on mainline gate capacity, with those operations being confined to the South side of B (19, 21, 23, 25). I would guess their next mainline gate would be B28, but I do not think it has been used for that in a long time. All good problems to have as the growth continues.


For about 3 weeks in November, AA will indeed have 5 RON mainline jets in CMH per the schedule mentioned by DeltaRules. After that it will go to 4 when DFW looses a frequency. Not quite sure how they'll gate them - B28 was modified for regional jet use - I'm not sure if the envelope was adjusted as well. I didn't realize B20 was modified for mainline usage - B22 was the original dual-purpose bridge where USAirways would park the occasional 733. That being said, I'm not familiar with changes to these stands that would allow for mainline use.


I was looking for the PDF which talked about jetbridge replacement where it had a list of all CMH's gates and what they were lined for (which I have bookmarked at home and is where I saw B20 was mainline; WN ran a morning flight out of there during renovations to A, as well) and stumbled instead upon the fee schedule for operators into CRAA airports if anybody's interested:

https://columbusairports.com/storage/st ... -87-17.pdf
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:46 pm

papatango wrote:
Why did you say sorry Delta I thought Delta to AMS was rhe route everyone thought was the forerunner?


They are, I was referring to previous and current international service to places like Punta Cana, Cancun, and Toronto not being what would count as true international service. I think we can all agree that we are hoping for INTERNATIONAL service to a global hub on a major carrier that is part of one of the big three alliances. (So WOW air to Iceland is not really going to cut it either).
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:09 pm

Meanwhile, pax numbers at DAY continue to shrink while becoming the 10th most expensive airport in the USA to fly from.
"By August this year, the number of passengers boarding a plan at the Dayton airport had dropped 5.4 percent to 608,000 from 643,000 by the same time the year before. Between January and August 2014, before Cincinnati grew in popularity, Dayton enplaned more than 800,000 passengers."
https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/da ... 5ELyQjcJP/
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:17 pm

ILNFlyer wrote:
Meanwhile, pax numbers at DAY continue to shrink while becoming the 10th most expensive airport in the USA to fly from.
"By August this year, the number of passengers boarding a plan at the Dayton airport had dropped 5.4 percent to 608,000 from 643,000 by the same time the year before. Between January and August 2014, before Cincinnati grew in popularity, Dayton enplaned more than 800,000 passengers."
https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/da ... 5ELyQjcJP/
That will happen when WN pulls out and fares at CVG continue to fall. Once you get past June and the WN pull out is not factored in, passenger numbers are flat to slightly up. Not great, but it could be a lot worse.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:37 am

DeltaRules wrote:
flyCMH wrote:
brooklynchris13 wrote:

On the AA side it looks like the CLT mainline is being swapped for that second LAX flight. I would look for any winter mainline (CLT or a return of PHL) to appear in the afternoon. AA is pretty constrained on mainline gate capacity, with those operations being confined to the South side of B (19, 21, 23, 25). I would guess their next mainline gate would be B28, but I do not think it has been used for that in a long time. All good problems to have as the growth continues.


For about 3 weeks in November, AA will indeed have 5 RON mainline jets in CMH per the schedule mentioned by DeltaRules. After that it will go to 4 when DFW looses a frequency. Not quite sure how they'll gate them - B28 was modified for regional jet use - I'm not sure if the envelope was adjusted as well. I didn't realize B20 was modified for mainline usage - B22 was the original dual-purpose bridge where USAirways would park the occasional 733. That being said, I'm not familiar with changes to these stands that would allow for mainline use.


I was looking for the PDF which talked about jetbridge replacement where it had a list of all CMH's gates and what they were lined for (which I have bookmarked at home and is where I saw B20 was mainline; WN ran a morning flight out of there during renovations to A, as well) and stumbled instead upon the fee schedule for operators into CRAA airports if anybody's interested:

https://columbusairports.com/storage/st ... -87-17.pdf


Here's the PDF I referred to (Page 21 for each gate): https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... -final.pdf

B20: MD80, A321, A320, A319, B738, ERJ, E170, E175, E190, CRJ, CR7, CR9, B717
...and to answer your question, FlyCMH, for B28: 321, 320, 319, CRJ, CR7, CR9, 757, M80, ERJ, 738, E170.

They must have re-lined it B28 for AA, as that's all their metal, so B19/20/21/23/25/28 for mainline. Looks like the triple at B22/24/26 is the only AA gate which can't handle mainline in the more traditional sense (A320/737/MD-80); B24 and 26 can take E190s, for what it's worth.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:18 pm

Effective Jan 2, DL is making CVG-MCO 3x/day daily/year round (very rarely 1-2x on Sat). Previously only went to 3x/day in the spring. All B738 (starting Jan 6), but I wouldn't be surprised if the B739/A321 made an appearance as well.

Finally a CVG change that will show up on Enilria's OAG report 8-) .
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:06 am

cvgComair wrote:
Effective Jan 2, DL is making CVG-MCO 3x/day daily/year round (very rarely 1-2x on Sat). Previously only went to 3x/day in the spring. All B738 (starting Jan 6), but I wouldn't be surprised if the B739/A321 made an appearance as well.

Finally a CVG change that will show up on Enilria's OAG report 8-) .



I noticed that a lot of flights are being added on Saturday's starting Aug 31st. Many of the S-F flights now have Saturday available for booking. CLT, PHL, EWR, BDL, YYZ, STL, MCI, DFW, IAH and AUS. Is this normal that far out or a sign of changes?
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:33 am

topguncnod wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Effective Jan 2, DL is making CVG-MCO 3x/day daily/year round (very rarely 1-2x on Sat). Previously only went to 3x/day in the spring. All B738 (starting Jan 6), but I wouldn't be surprised if the B739/A321 made an appearance as well.

Finally a CVG change that will show up on Enilria's OAG report 8-) .



I noticed that a lot of flights are being added on Saturday's starting Aug 31st. Many of the S-F flights now have Saturday available for booking. CLT, PHL, EWR, BDL, YYZ, STL, MCI, DFW, IAH and AUS. Is this normal that far out or a sign of changes?

It is just filler, they load all the routes as daily far out in the schedule.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:50 am

well bummer! Wishful thinking!
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:07 pm

FI plans to buy WW, hopefully that brings the financial stability for KEF flights to return at CVG!
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:27 pm

Toledo has scheduled a press conference this week to announce an air show for 2019. Speculation it is for July 13 and 14th. Thunderbirds currently have that weekend open on their schedule. Will know more soon.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:35 pm

cvgComair wrote:
FI plans to buy WW, hopefully that brings the financial stability for KEF flights to return at CVG!


Not necessarily "our" thread, but I'd imagine this means the end of WW in CLE since FI was already there.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:20 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
FI plans to buy WW, hopefully that brings the financial stability for KEF flights to return at CVG!


Not necessarily "our" thread, but I'd imagine this means the end of WW in CLE since FI was already there.


WW already said they weren't coming back to CLE anyway didn't they?
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:04 am

cvgComair wrote:
FI plans to buy WW, hopefully that brings the financial stability for KEF flights to return at CVG!


Do people really think that the merger is weighted to the upside for the likes of CVG, STL, and CLE returns? As much as I would love to see the service come back to CVG (and fortunately I was able to use it this summer!), I think that the merger is weighted towards the downside for service returns. While these markets could leverage FI's broader European network, FI seems much more reluctant than WW to enter secondary markets. Given some of FI's recent financial pressure, I can't imagine they may want to gamble on secondary markets amid rising jet fuel costs...but who knows...they are the only ones that will truly know how profitable the flights were.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:17 am

Will DL ever bring back CVG-IAD nonstop service? While DL already has nonstop service from CVG to DCA and BWI in the Baltimore/DC market, DL could bring back CVG-IAD nonstop service in order to get Cincinnati-area business travelers to the west side of the DC area. DL also would be able to connect passengers from CVG onto SU's IAD-SVO and KL's IAD-AMS flights if DL brings back CVG-IAD nonstop service.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:09 pm

DHL is going daily on CVG-YVR. The growth on Canada flights from CVG has been pretty impressive! https://aircargoworld.com/allposts/dhl- ... n-cvg-yvr/
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:35 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
ILNFlyer wrote:
Meanwhile, pax numbers at DAY continue to shrink while becoming the 10th most expensive airport in the USA to fly from.
"By August this year, the number of passengers boarding a plan at the Dayton airport had dropped 5.4 percent to 608,000 from 643,000 by the same time the year before. Between January and August 2014, before Cincinnati grew in popularity, Dayton enplaned more than 800,000 passengers."
https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/da ... 5ELyQjcJP/
That will happen when WN pulls out and fares at CVG continue to fall. Once you get past June and the WN pull out is not factored in, passenger numbers are flat to slightly up. Not great, but it could be a lot worse.


DAY fares need to come down to a competitive level. I'm surprised at how high they are with Allegiant here.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:55 pm

ILNFlyer wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
ILNFlyer wrote:
Meanwhile, pax numbers at DAY continue to shrink while becoming the 10th most expensive airport in the USA to fly from.
"By August this year, the number of passengers boarding a plan at the Dayton airport had dropped 5.4 percent to 608,000 from 643,000 by the same time the year before. Between January and August 2014, before Cincinnati grew in popularity, Dayton enplaned more than 800,000 passengers."
https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/da ... 5ELyQjcJP/
That will happen when WN pulls out and fares at CVG continue to fall. Once you get past June and the WN pull out is not factored in, passenger numbers are flat to slightly up. Not great, but it could be a lot worse.


DAY fares need to come down to a competitive level. I'm surprised at how high they are with Allegiant here.
G4 may technically be there, but there are only running 4-6 flights/week to three different Florida destinations (at least through May). That really isn't going to influence fares much.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:18 pm

AA is up gauging 2 of 9 eagle flights to 738's on CMH-ORD starting Feb 14, 2019.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:28 pm

miaami wrote:
AA is up gauging 2 of 9 eagle flights to 738's on CMH-ORD starting Feb 14, 2019.


Wow, so they're keeping 9 frequencies and bumping two to mainline or they've dropped two to add 738s? When was the last time CMH-ORD ran mainline (on AA; UA has done it for a while)?
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:59 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
miaami wrote:
AA is up gauging 2 of 9 eagle flights to 738's on CMH-ORD starting Feb 14, 2019.


Wow, so they're keeping 9 frequencies and bumping two to mainline or they've dropped two to add 738s? When was the last time CMH-ORD ran mainline (on AA; UA has done it for a while)?


Still 9X CMH-ORD, 7 eagle flights plus 2 738's. It has been a very long time since AA had mainline on CMH-ORD, I believe back when AA still had the F-100's. I've noticed with several of the past AA schedule changes that AA has been up gauging from eagle to mainline on ORD-IND/PIT as well.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:43 pm

United is switching the CVG-SFO flight to the morning effective Jan 7.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:13 pm

cvgComair wrote:
United is switching the CVG-SFO flight to the morning effective Jan 7.


I'm curious if that move is an indicator of how the route has performed thus far. Also, is the return a red-eye?
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:12 pm

AirportRival wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
United is switching the CVG-SFO flight to the morning effective Jan 7.


I'm curious if that move is an indicator of how the route has performed thus far. Also, is the return a red-eye?

The return is a red-eye.

I was wondering the same thing. The new timing gives them more connecting options, but I would think there is higher demand on this timing given that DL operates its route on the same schedule. I am thinking it has to do more with gate availability at SFO than anything else.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:13 pm

cvgComair wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
United is switching the CVG-SFO flight to the morning effective Jan 7.


I'm curious if that move is an indicator of how the route has performed thus far. Also, is the return a red-eye?

The return is a red-eye.

I was wondering the same thing. The new timing gives them more connecting options, but I would think there is higher demand on this timing given that DL operates its route on the same schedule. I am thinking it has to do more with gate availability at SFO than anything else.


Ugh. The old flight times were so much better IMHO. The fact that it wasn’t a Red Eye made me opt for it over the DL flight and I can’t help but think a lot of other people feel the same. It must be a gate availability thing at SFO because being different than DL in this instance was a good thing. That leaves us with no non Red Eye nonstops coming home (or beginning travel from) SFO. Hello AS??? ;)
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:14 pm

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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:37 pm

Amazon air to open package sorting facility at ILN.

https://www.whio.com/business/breaking- ... 3j7vcFf4N/
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:20 pm

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Amazon air to open package sorting facility at ILN.

https://www.whio.com/business/breaking- ... 3j7vcFf4N/

Yep, this was talked about awhile ago, as Amazon is looking to temporarily reopen ILN to relieve CVG while the new facility is built. (They are doing the same thing at ONT by temporarily using RIV). The DHL facility isn't big enough to handle the growth DHL is seeing and Amazon at the same time. DHL has been experimenting with expanded sort hours, so Amazon can't grow at CVG until they open their own sort.

Also, MDT has a G4 announcement tomorrow, perhaps there is a wider G4 routes expansion coming tomorrow?
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:32 pm

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Amazon air to open package sorting facility at ILN.

https://www.whio.com/business/breaking- ... 3j7vcFf4N/


Man, am I glad to see this. One rumor I've seen has 16 flights a night into/out of ILN.

That said, while I'm glad the rumors are true, it's disappointing if this is temporary and that Wilmington will have the rug pulled out from under it eventually for the third time. How long are we looking at until the CVG facility is done?
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:42 pm

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Also, MDT has a G4 announcement tomorrow, perhaps there is a wider G4 routes expansion coming tomorrow?


WN also has its next schedule extension this Thursday, which will extend WN's schedule to August 5, 2019.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:08 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
flyCMH wrote:

For about 3 weeks in November, AA will indeed have 5 RON mainline jets in CMH per the schedule mentioned by DeltaRules. After that it will go to 4 when DFW looses a frequency. Not quite sure how they'll gate them - B28 was modified for regional jet use - I'm not sure if the envelope was adjusted as well. I didn't realize B20 was modified for mainline usage - B22 was the original dual-purpose bridge where USAirways would park the occasional 733. That being said, I'm not familiar with changes to these stands that would allow for mainline use.


I was looking for the PDF which talked about jetbridge replacement where it had a list of all CMH's gates and what they were lined for (which I have bookmarked at home and is where I saw B20 was mainline; WN ran a morning flight out of there during renovations to A, as well) and stumbled instead upon the fee schedule for operators into CRAA airports if anybody's interested:

https://columbusairports.com/storage/st ... -87-17.pdf


Here's the PDF I referred to (Page 21 for each gate): https://columbusairports.com/storage/pr ... -final.pdf

B20: MD80, A321, A320, A319, B738, ERJ, E170, E175, E190, CRJ, CR7, CR9, B717
...and to answer your question, FlyCMH, for B28: 321, 320, 319, CRJ, CR7, CR9, 757, M80, ERJ, 738, E170.

They must have re-lined it B28 for AA, as that's all their metal, so B19/20/21/23/25/28 for mainline. Looks like the triple at B22/24/26 is the only AA gate which can't handle mainline in the more traditional sense (A320/737/MD-80); B24 and 26 can take E190s, for what it's worth.



I can share from personal observation that the solution has been to use all of those mainline capable gates in one form or another (B19, B20, B21, B23, B25, B28). The one item I realized last night when I came in on the next to last DFW flight was that this must be crazy for the baggage handling operations (unless something has really changed). It used to take up to 30 minutes or longer to get checked bags after 10pm when multiple arrivals of smaller aircraft were landing at about the same time. With (4) mainline aircraft coming in right on top of each other... well, I hope they have up'd their staffing!

I can also share that it appears OneJet has been erased from the Ticket Counter area and signage. (not really shocking...) . And does anyone know what the Sierra Pacific 737s are for? I have seen them coming in twice now. Thy hang out by Lane Aviation for a bit and then head out.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:15 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Buckeyetech wrote:
Amazon air to open package sorting facility at ILN.

https://www.whio.com/business/breaking- ... 3j7vcFf4N/


Man, am I glad to see this. One rumor I've seen has 16 flights a night into/out of ILN.

That said, while I'm glad the rumors are true, it's disappointing if this is temporary and that Wilmington will have the rug pulled out from under it eventually for the third time. How long are we looking at until the CVG facility is done?

The latest I have seen is late 2020. So probably around 2 years.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:13 pm

I can also share that it appears OneJet has been erased from the Ticket Counter area and signage. (not really shocking...) . And does anyone know what the Sierra Pacific 737s are for? I have seen them coming in twice now. Thy hang out by Lane Aviation for a bit and then head out.[/quote]

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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:40 pm

miaami wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
miaami wrote:
AA is up gauging 2 of 9 eagle flights to 738's on CMH-ORD starting Feb 14, 2019.


Wow, so they're keeping 9 frequencies and bumping two to mainline or they've dropped two to add 738s? When was the last time CMH-ORD ran mainline (on AA; UA has done it for a while)?


Still 9X CMH-ORD, 7 eagle flights plus 2 738's. It has been a very long time since AA had mainline on CMH-ORD, I believe back when AA still had the F-100's. I've noticed with several of the past AA schedule changes that AA has been up gauging from eagle to mainline on ORD-IND/PIT as well.


Wow is right; definitely an unexpected and welcome upgauge. As mentioned, I also think that the last time AA scheduled mainline on CMH-ORD was back in the F-100 days. I've also noticed the quiet upgauges to mainline on other Midwest short-haul routes, but I didn't expect CMH to be one of the fortunate recipients. With these upgauges, AA will operate 10 mainline metal flights from CMH (2 LAX, 2 PHX, 2 ORD, 4 DFW). Yet to be seen is whether CLT or PHL mainline will return during the course of the year or whether the ORD upgauges stay when DFW goes back to 5x daily for the summer (as it usually does). Either way, glad to see AA ramping up mainline services where possible.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:36 pm

CMHSRQ wrote:
I can also share that it appears OneJet has been erased from the Ticket Counter area and signage. (not really shocking...) . And does anyone know what the Sierra Pacific 737s are for? I have seen them coming in twice now. Thy hang out by Lane Aviation for a bit and then head out.


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The CBJ use Swift Air. OSU typically uses UA and leaves from LCK. Sierra Pacific might be for visiting teams (or maybe visitors for OSU or the Crew?).
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:38 am

cvgComair wrote:
Also, MDT has a G4 announcement tomorrow, perhaps there is a wider G4 routes expansion coming tomorrow?


There is. Big expansion at SRQ, along with an aircraft base there and at GRR, which seems terribly specific.

As for local adds, LCK-SRQ is it, at least among what's been revealed. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1408299
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:47 am

Some frequency increases for G4 at CVG:
CVG-SRQ/MYR go 4x/wk
CVG-SAV goes 7x/wk
CVG-VPS goes to 11x/wk!!!!

Everything else restores its frequency from last year, with CVG-RDU/PVD/BWI still missing from the schedule.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:12 am

Also, CVG-PVD resumes June 7
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:39 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Also, MDT has a G4 announcement tomorrow, perhaps there is a wider G4 routes expansion coming tomorrow?


There is. Big expansion at SRQ, along with an aircraft base there and at GRR, which seems terribly specific.

As for local adds, LCK-SRQ is it, at least among what's been revealed. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1408299


I have been hoping for CMH (Or LCK) to SRQ for a long time. As I kid I remember when PeopleExpress started that route on a 727. That was long before the new terminal at SRQ so the experience was magically old school. I would not be shocked to see F9 add it at some point (If they have darts and a dart board, might as well, right?). Speaking of F9, does anyone have a summary of where they are flying this winter from CMH? I have lost track of their frequencies and destinations. Anyway, congrats to CRAA on another destination and the other great developments.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:15 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Some frequency increases for G4 at CVG:
CVG-SRQ/MYR go 4x/wk
CVG-SAV goes 7x/wk
CVG-VPS goes to 11x/wk!!!!

Everything else restores its frequency from last year, with CVG-RDU/PVD/BWI still missing from the schedule.


It's interesting that the LAX-CVG does become a red eye next summer. I wonder how that will impact loads; I know a lot of people who did not mind taking G4 on that route because it was a daytime flight.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:49 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Buckeyetech wrote:
Amazon air to open package sorting facility at ILN.

https://www.whio.com/business/breaking- ... 3j7vcFf4N/

Yep, this was talked about awhile ago, as Amazon is looking to temporarily reopen ILN to relieve CVG while the new facility is built. (They are doing the same thing at ONT by temporarily using RIV). The DHL facility isn't big enough to handle the growth DHL is seeing and Amazon at the same time. DHL has been experimenting with expanded sort hours, so Amazon can't grow at CVG until they open their own sort.


Amazon may not be "temporarily re-opening ILN while CVG facility is being built". They are building an entirely new facility at ILN. Tear down of the existing former Airborne sort facilities, namely B & C sort buildings, has already commenced the same day the announcement was made. The previous DHL facility at F may be expanded to where these buildings stand. That doesn't sound very temporary to me.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:52 pm

Frontier has made changes:
CVG-PHL returns 3x/wk A320 (previously daily and dropped)
CVG-ATL returns 3x/wk A320 (previously daily)
CVG-LGA returns April 30, daily A320 (previously dropped)
CVG-DEN back to daily
CVG-PUJ extended through summer
CVG-AUS/DFW/RDU/JAX/MSP return with A320 (some were A319 last year)
Everything else is as normal

Only CVG-SJC/SAT not loaded
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:07 pm

ILNFlyer wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Buckeyetech wrote:
Amazon air to open package sorting facility at ILN.

https://www.whio.com/business/breaking- ... 3j7vcFf4N/

Yep, this was talked about awhile ago, as Amazon is looking to temporarily reopen ILN to relieve CVG while the new facility is built. (They are doing the same thing at ONT by temporarily using RIV). The DHL facility isn't big enough to handle the growth DHL is seeing and Amazon at the same time. DHL has been experimenting with expanded sort hours, so Amazon can't grow at CVG until they open their own sort.


Amazon may not be "temporarily re-opening ILN while CVG facility is being built". They are building an entirely new facility at ILN. Tear down of the existing former Airborne sort facilities, namely B & C sort buildings, has already commenced the same day the announcement was made. The previous DHL facility at F may be expanded to where these buildings stand. That doesn't sound very temporary to me.

The first phase is scheduled for opening in 2020, while a full build-out is not going to be ready until 2026-2028. Amazon doesn't want to wait 10 years to grow bigger, so they are going to need split at CVG-DHL and ILN until that second phase opens. Makes total sense to put more money into ILN if they are going to need it for up to 10 years. They need that time to grow the operation to the point that they need a 1200 acre hub at CVG. ILN is a key piece in getting operations up and going so they can be gradually shifted over.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:08 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Frontier has made changes:

CVG-PUJ extended through summer


You can get this schedule off apple vacations website.

Frontier til Jan 11-August 2
then Allegiant takes over from August 17-Dec 14

Also includes CUN and MBJ schedules

http://www.applevacations.com/flight-sc ... incinnati/
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:14 pm

cvgComair wrote:
ILNFlyer wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Yep, this was talked about awhile ago, as Amazon is looking to temporarily reopen ILN to relieve CVG while the new facility is built. (They are doing the same thing at ONT by temporarily using RIV). The DHL facility isn't big enough to handle the growth DHL is seeing and Amazon at the same time. DHL has been experimenting with expanded sort hours, so Amazon can't grow at CVG until they open their own sort.


Amazon may not be "temporarily re-opening ILN while CVG facility is being built". They are building an entirely new facility at ILN. Tear down of the existing former Airborne sort facilities, namely B & C sort buildings, has already commenced the same day the announcement was made. The previous DHL facility at F may be expanded to where these buildings stand. That doesn't sound very temporary to me.

The first phase is scheduled for opening in 2020, while a full build-out is not going to be ready until 2026-2028. Amazon doesn't want to wait 10 years to grow bigger, so they are going to need split at CVG-DHL and ILN until that second phase opens. Makes total sense to put more money into ILN if they are going to need it for up to 10 years. They need that time to grow the operation to the point that they need a 1200 acre hub at CVG. ILN is a key piece in getting operations up and going so they can be gradually shifted over.


For 10 years that may make sense to spend that large a sum of money. One thing that puzzled me about the announcement was the involvement of the Dayton Development Coalition. Why not pitch the old Emery facility at DAY for that use? Perhaps they did and it was found inadequate or the business terms were not favorable....
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:19 pm

That's 11 destinations now for G4 at LCK, which is comparable to DL at CMH (albeit with G4 not running daily flights).

cvgComair wrote:
Frontier has made changes:
CVG-PHL returns 3x/wk A320 (previously daily and dropped)
CVG-ATL returns 3x/wk A320 (previously daily)
CVG-LGA returns April 30, daily A320 (previously dropped)
CVG-DEN back to daily
CVG-PUJ extended through summer
CVG-AUS/DFW/RDU/JAX/MSP return with A320 (some were A319 last year)
Everything else is as normal

Only CVG-SJC/SAT not loaded


Did they reload LCK-AUS and -MSY? The Columbus Dispatch said those were temporarily suspended due to the pinch on airplanes, but are expected to return in May.

ILNFlyer wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
ILNFlyer wrote:

Amazon may not be "temporarily re-opening ILN while CVG facility is being built". They are building an entirely new facility at ILN. Tear down of the existing former Airborne sort facilities, namely B & C sort buildings, has already commenced the same day the announcement was made. The previous DHL facility at F may be expanded to where these buildings stand. That doesn't sound very temporary to me.

The first phase is scheduled for opening in 2020, while a full build-out is not going to be ready until 2026-2028. Amazon doesn't want to wait 10 years to grow bigger, so they are going to need split at CVG-DHL and ILN until that second phase opens. Makes total sense to put more money into ILN if they are going to need it for up to 10 years. They need that time to grow the operation to the point that they need a 1200 acre hub at CVG. ILN is a key piece in getting operations up and going so they can be gradually shifted over.


For 10 years that may make sense to spend that large a sum of money. One thing that puzzled me about the announcement was the involvement of the Dayton Development Coalition. Why not pitch the old Emery facility at DAY for that use? Perhaps they did and it was found inadequate or the business terms were not favorable....


I'm figuring the ATSG/ABX influence and the facilities they already have there, combined with ILN probably being Dayton-adjacent enough to make something happen there for the greater good, won out. I never thought of Emery at DAY, though.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:16 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Did they reload LCK-AUS and -MSY? The Columbus Dispatch said those were temporarily suspended due to the pinch on airplanes, but are expected to return in May.

Neither route has been loaded. Odd since the schedule is through August, but they could always load the routes later.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:38 pm

cvgComair wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Did they reload LCK-AUS and -MSY? The Columbus Dispatch said those were temporarily suspended due to the pinch on airplanes, but are expected to return in May.

Neither route has been loaded. Odd since the schedule is through August, but they could always load the routes later.


Thanks- both are back on the route map (pretty sure they weren't there last week when I was playing with it, anyway).
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:35 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Some frequency increases for G4 at CVG:
CVG-SRQ/MYR go 4x/wk
CVG-SAV goes 7x/wk
CVG-VPS goes to 11x/wk!!!!

Everything else restores its frequency from last year, with CVG-RDU/PVD/BWI still missing from the schedule.


I found a 2x for PVD starting in June, but bad news for RDU and BWI who seem to have been removed from Allegiant's website.

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