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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Mon May 07, 2018 7:53 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
jcarv wrote:
Doubt daily. Even staples dont fly daily in winter like LH & BA


Not sure. My Spanish is not great: http://noticiaslogisticaytransporte.com ... 20046.html


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Mon May 07, 2018 7:54 pm

So IB will fly to BOS year round, but only daily in the summer, right?
 
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Mon May 07, 2018 8:19 pm

hinckley wrote:
So IB will fly to BOS year round, but only daily in the summer, right?

From what I understand yes.
Does anyone remember how often IB flew to BOS last year? Also, will BOS ever see the IB A350?
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Tue May 08, 2018 2:34 am

Seems like Silver is starting BOS BHB starting July 1st using Saab 340.
 
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Tue May 08, 2018 2:46 am

UkiAir wrote:
Seems like Silver is starting BOS BHB starting July 1st using Saab 340.


Here's the press release from Bar Harbor Airport, although the flights do not appear to be bookable at time of writing
http://bhbairport.com/BHB%20Press%20release_050418.pdf

and of course we want to know which gate they plan on using at BOS. which i don't know either, because Silver are not even listed as an airline on Massport's site yet. Curious!
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Tue May 08, 2018 3:01 am

This is what I found as far as the schedule goes. Twice a day. The flights are not bookable yet.
They could use Terminal C, since JetBlue is one of their interline partners, and its close to Terminal B. Or they might just be at Terminal B where PenAir is now.

3M147 BHB0845 - 1000BOS SF3 x67
3M147 BHB1030 - 1145BOS SF3 67
3M148 BHB1300 - 1415BOS SF3 x67
3M148 BHB1430 - 1545BOS SF3 67

3M148 BOS1100 - 1220BHB SF3 x67
3M148 BOS1230 - 1350BHB SF3 67
3M149 BOS1715 - 1835BHB SF3 D
 
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Tue May 08, 2018 11:39 am

SK officially loaded CPH-BOS as seasonal. 4 weekly resumes end of March 2019. https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... 19-season/
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Tue May 08, 2018 11:52 am

I enjoy the SAS CPH option; easy and enjoyable connections options, especially to Scandinavia and Eastern Europe.

Having said that, i wonder if the route could achieve seasonal daily or year round sub-daily with a MOM / 322 (or whatever those potential planes are being called this week).
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Tue May 08, 2018 1:03 pm

tlecam wrote:
I enjoy the SAS CPH option; easy and enjoyable connections options, especially to Scandinavia and Eastern Europe.

Having said that, i wonder if the route could achieve seasonal daily or year round sub-daily with a MOM / 322 (or whatever those potential planes are being called this week).


An A321LR should have the legs for that route. SAS has 59 A320NEOs still on order, maybe we'll get lucky and they'll convert a few.
 
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Tue May 08, 2018 5:57 pm

Didn't think B6 would go for BOS-MEX.... I wonder if there's a plan to feed their partners with it.
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Tue May 08, 2018 6:04 pm

B6 to start BOS-HAV service.
https://www.necn.com/news/business/JetB ... 67371.html

B6 to start BOS-MEX from October. This looks to be confirmed news as per the website.
 
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Tue May 08, 2018 6:17 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
Didn't think B6 would go for BOS-MEX.... I wonder if there's a plan to feed their partners with it.

Interesting considering AM is cutting capacity to below daily around then for B6 to enter.
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Tue May 08, 2018 6:38 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
Didn't think B6 would go for BOS-MEX.... I wonder if there's a plan to feed their partners with it.

Interesting considering AM is cutting capacity to below daily around then for B6 to enter.


"JetBlue’s new service to Mexico City follows a decision by the U.S. Department of Transportation to require certain airlines to divest airport slots in order to enhance competition at Mexico City International Airport. "
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... ice-Havana
They are moving the route from LAX-MEX to BOS-MEX. I suspect this is one of those "use it or lose it" deals and they think they can do better from BOS than from LAX. I'm curious how given that we can't even sustain 1 daily today. Maybe EK really wants it.
 
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Thu May 10, 2018 6:11 pm

Didn't notice it with all the recent news from Boston, but it looks like Boutique Air will be launching flights from BOS to Massena this June.
Another new regional airline for BOS.
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Thu May 10, 2018 10:45 pm

Also, Level has loaded flights to Boston for W18, looks like they're going year round with 3 flights weekly. Surprisingly quick to upgrade the route to year round.
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Thu May 10, 2018 11:14 pm

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Also, Level has loaded flights to Boston for W18, looks like they're going year round with 3 flights weekly. Surprisingly quick to upgrade the route to year round.


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Fri May 11, 2018 12:38 am

I never doubted year round for IB. I just said not DAILY and I’m correct.
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 1:31 pm

I just saw that starting on October 1st, DL is starting 4 daily round trips to PHL.

From Airlineroutes twitter.
https://twitter.com/airlineroute/status ... 26976?s=21
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Sun May 13, 2018 1:55 pm

Well that’s not poking B6, that’s poking AA... hmmm.
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Sun May 13, 2018 2:45 pm

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I just saw that starting on October 1st, DL is starting 4 daily round trips to PHL.

From Airlineroutes twitter.
https://twitter.com/airlineroute/status ... 26976?s=21

Now that’s going after AA and B6 and connecting the dots. ORD looks now to be certain!
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 2:51 pm

It’s going to get interesting. I would love to see how the DL folks manage the gate logistics.

PHL makes sense for DL from a corporate contracts perspective. Lots of pharma, tech (comcast for one) and finance ties.

I wonder what yield will be on this route, though? AA more or less runs an hourly shuttle and the last time I flew it, the fleet could range from regional planes through 321s. B6 has a nice schedule with decent frequency.

Personally, I am happy as it’s one more destination that I can stick with my preferred airline. There aren’t all that many business destinations left for me that DL doesn’t provide an option, but ORD and DFW are two notable gaps.
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Sun May 13, 2018 2:58 pm

Unfortunately I think B6 gets hit harder than AA on the PHL side. Think they will be ok from BOS-PHL passenger perspective.
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 4:02 pm

tlecam wrote:
It’s going to get interesting. I would love to see how the DL folks manage the gate logistics.

PHL makes sense for DL from a corporate contracts perspective. Lots of pharma, tech (comcast for one) and finance ties.

I wonder what yield will be on this route, though? AA more or less runs an hourly shuttle and the last time I flew it, the fleet could range from regional planes through 321s. B6 has a nice schedule with decent frequency.

Personally, I am happy as it’s one more destination that I can stick with my preferred airline. There aren’t all that many business destinations left for me that DL doesn’t provide an option, but ORD and DFW are two notable gaps.


I really think by next summer ( 2019 ) you will see ORD DFW CLT IAD ( I know DCA is the preferred airport but might not be possible ,slots , and there is a lot of business growth by IAD ) IAH SAT SDF YUL SAN MEM MDT ROC CLE STL DEN,just to name a few.
I maybe dreaming, but these are markets that will need to be served in order to cater to business demand.
I am sure DELTA is doing their homework and will do what is necessary to take on the competition.
As long as they keep outperforming their rivals they will get their market share
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Sun May 13, 2018 4:15 pm

Capn wrote:
tlecam wrote:
It’s going to get interesting. I would love to see how the DL folks manage the gate logistics.

PHL makes sense for DL from a corporate contracts perspective. Lots of pharma, tech (comcast for one) and finance ties.

I wonder what yield will be on this route, though? AA more or less runs an hourly shuttle and the last time I flew it, the fleet could range from regional planes through 321s. B6 has a nice schedule with decent frequency.

Personally, I am happy as it’s one more destination that I can stick with my preferred airline. There aren’t all that many business destinations left for me that DL doesn’t provide an option, but ORD and DFW are two notable gaps.


I really think by next summer ( 2019 ) you will see ORD DFW CLT IAD ( I know DCA is the preferred airport but might not be possible ,slots , and there is a lot of business growth by IAD ) IAH SAT SDF YUL SAN MEM MDT ROC CLE STL DEN,just to name a few.
I maybe dreaming, but these are markets that will need to be served in order to cater to business demand.
I am sure DELTA is doing their homework and will do what is necessary to take on the competition.
As long as they keep outperforming their rivals they will get their market share
This is going to hurt a few of you, but it is the preferred airline...


That would be a very large uptick in service. Would it be nice to have those adds? Yes. Competition is usually goo for consumers (something that gets lost a lot time on these forums). I cannot see them realistically adding all of that service. I could see them adding markets like MEM and SAT - they have a decent local market and no current competition. Beat B6 to the punch.
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 4:50 pm

Capn wrote:
tlecam wrote:
It’s going to get interesting. I would love to see how the DL folks manage the gate logistics.

PHL makes sense for DL from a corporate contracts perspective. Lots of pharma, tech (comcast for one) and finance ties.

I wonder what yield will be on this route, though? AA more or less runs an hourly shuttle and the last time I flew it, the fleet could range from regional planes through 321s. B6 has a nice schedule with decent frequency.

Personally, I am happy as it’s one more destination that I can stick with my preferred airline. There aren’t all that many business destinations left for me that DL doesn’t provide an option, but ORD and DFW are two notable gaps.


I really think by next summer ( 2019 ) you will see ORD DFW CLT IAD ( I know DCA is the preferred airport but might not be possible ,slots , and there is a lot of business growth by IAD ) IAH SAT SDF YUL SAN MEM MDT ROC CLE STL DEN,just to name a few.
I maybe dreaming, but these are markets that will need to be served in order to cater to business demand.
I am sure DELTA is doing their homework and will do what is necessary to take on the competition.
As long as they keep outperforming their rivals they will get their market share
This is going to hurt a few of you, but it is the preferred airline...



The preferred airline of who?
Which rivals are they outperforming in Boston? Jetblue?
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 6:33 pm

fastmover wrote:
Capn wrote:
tlecam wrote:
It’s going to get interesting. I would love to see how the DL folks manage the gate logistics.

PHL makes sense for DL from a corporate contracts perspective. Lots of pharma, tech (comcast for one) and finance ties.

I wonder what yield will be on this route, though? AA more or less runs an hourly shuttle and the last time I flew it, the fleet could range from regional planes through 321s. B6 has a nice schedule with decent frequency.

Personally, I am happy as it’s one more destination that I can stick with my preferred airline. There aren’t all that many business destinations left for me that DL doesn’t provide an option, but ORD and DFW are two notable gaps.


I really think by next summer ( 2019 ) you will see ORD DFW CLT IAD ( I know DCA is the preferred airport but might not be possible ,slots , and there is a lot of business growth by IAD ) IAH SAT SDF YUL SAN MEM MDT ROC CLE STL DEN,just to name a few.
I maybe dreaming, but these are markets that will need to be served in order to cater to business demand.
I am sure DELTA is doing their homework and will do what is necessary to take on the competition.
As long as they keep outperforming their rivals they will get their market share
This is going to hurt a few of you, but it is the preferred airline...



The preferred airline of who?
Which rivals are they outperforming in Boston? Jetblue?

No AA. AA has had more passengers from BOS than DL. DL is trying to change that and so far they are growing successfully. With all these adds and them trying to have connections through BOS I wonder when they will start calling BOS a hub and not a focus city.
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Sun May 13, 2018 6:35 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if DL chooses alternate airports for Chicago (MDW) and Dallas (DAL) especially if they get another gate at Love Field. MDW is great for serving O+D with it's excellent connection to CTA.
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Sun May 13, 2018 6:42 pm

I meant on time, dispatch reliability, etc. I should have been clearer.
I know JBL. AA and UAL are carrying more paxs now but I do think at the end of next summer DL. will be a solid # 2 at BOS.
While all the adds I mentioned is a very large expansion, I don't see DL not putting those 5 additional gates to good use.
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Sun May 13, 2018 7:01 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
fastmover wrote:
Capn wrote:

I really think by next summer ( 2019 ) you will see ORD DFW CLT IAD ( I know DCA is the preferred airport but might not be possible ,slots , and there is a lot of business growth by IAD ) IAH SAT SDF YUL SAN MEM MDT ROC CLE STL DEN,just to name a few.
I maybe dreaming, but these are markets that will need to be served in order to cater to business demand.
I am sure DELTA is doing their homework and will do what is necessary to take on the competition.
As long as they keep outperforming their rivals they will get their market share
This is going to hurt a few of you, but it is the preferred airline...



The preferred airline of who?
Which rivals are they outperforming in Boston? Jetblue?

No AA. AA has had more passengers from BOS than DL. DL is trying to change that and so far they are growing successfully. With all these adds and them trying to have connections through BOS I wonder when they will start calling BOS a hub and not a focus city.

As of March 18, DL has already overtaken AA and Massport anticipates this to grow through the year.
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 7:04 pm

Hearing whispers of VS going double daily to BOS
 
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Sun May 13, 2018 7:14 pm

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Hearing whispers of VS going double daily to BOS


Doesn't DL's slot on BOS-LHR revert back to AA soon anyways? I wonder if the JV of VS+DL has decided this is a better way of serving LHR-BOS.

I just don't see the two airlines having 3 daily unless PF is a disaster this summer or DY is torn apart by IAG and FR.
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Sun May 13, 2018 8:59 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
anstar wrote:
Hearing whispers of VS going double daily to BOS


Doesn't DL's slot on BOS-LHR revert back to AA soon anyways? I wonder if the JV of VS+DL has decided this is a better way of serving LHR-BOS.

I just don't see the two airlines having 3 daily unless PF is a disaster this summer or DY is torn apart by IAG and FR.

I really hope DL finds a way to continue running BOS-LHR on its own metal. Better for connections through BOS and also more flights to people with loyalty to DL in the BOS region.
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Mon May 14, 2018 9:58 am

fastmover wrote:
Capn wrote:
tlecam wrote:
It’s going to get interesting. I would love to see how the DL folks manage the gate logistics.

PHL makes sense for DL from a corporate contracts perspective. Lots of pharma, tech (comcast for one) and finance ties.

I wonder what yield will be on this route, though? AA more or less runs an hourly shuttle and the last time I flew it, the fleet could range from regional planes through 321s. B6 has a nice schedule with decent frequency.

Personally, I am happy as it’s one more destination that I can stick with my preferred airline. There aren’t all that many business destinations left for me that DL doesn’t provide an option, but ORD and DFW are two notable gaps.


I really think by next summer ( 2019 ) you will see ORD DFW CLT IAD ( I know DCA is the preferred airport but might not be possible ,slots , and there is a lot of business growth by IAD ) IAH SAT SDF YUL SAN MEM MDT ROC CLE STL DEN,just to name a few.
I maybe dreaming, but these are markets that will need to be served in order to cater to business demand.
I am sure DELTA is doing their homework and will do what is necessary to take on the competition.
As long as they keep outperforming their rivals they will get their market share
This is going to hurt a few of you, but it is the preferred airline...



The preferred airline of who?
Which rivals are they outperforming in Boston? Jetblue?

DL has already outpaced AA as of March-2018 in the number of PAX. The next target for DL is B6 although DL does not fly to most of AA hubs which also happen to be some of the most populous city. B6 has many glaring holes in the Midwest - as fastmover correctly pointed in this forum, DL's ultimate aim may be to add many destinations that B6 does not serve at this time - e.g. SDF, SAT etc. How much they add and how the gate space will be supportive, will be the key.

DL BOS-PHL flight times

6:45 am BOS 8:23 am PHL
9:00 am PHL 10:30 am PHL

11:05 am BOS 12:49 pm PHL
1:25 pm PHL 2:53 pm PHL

1:50 pm BOS 3:41 pm PHL
4:20 pm PHL 4:54 pm BOS

6:35 pm BOS 8:10 pm PHL
8:45 pm PHL 10:29 pm PHL

These are quite good competitive times during peak hours to fly to and from BOS/PHL to start with. I do not know of any destinations not flown by AA from PHL that DL flies from BOS with the exception of WS codeshare flights; DL is a very competitive company and I am sure they are trying to workout options to be competitive and close the gap with B6.
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 11:09 am

iyerhari wrote:
DL has already outpaced AA as of March-2018 in the number of PAX. The next target for DL is B6 although DL does not fly to most of AA hubs which also happen to be some of the most populous city. B6 has many glaring holes in the Midwest - as fastmover correctly pointed in this forum, DL's ultimate aim may be to add many destinations that B6 does not serve at this time - e.g. SDF, SAT etc. How much they add and how the gate space will be supportive, will be the key.

DL BOS-PHL flight times

6:45 am BOS 8:23 am PHL
9:00 am PHL 10:30 am PHL

11:05 am BOS 12:49 pm PHL
1:25 pm PHL 2:53 pm PHL

1:50 pm BOS 3:41 pm PHL
4:20 pm PHL 4:54 pm BOS

6:35 pm BOS 8:10 pm PHL
8:45 pm PHL 10:29 pm PHL

These are quite good competitive times during peak hours to fly to and from BOS/PHL to start with. I do not know of any destinations not flown by AA from PHL that DL flies from BOS with the exception of WS codeshare flights; DL is a very competitive company and I am sure they are trying to workout options to be competitive and close the gap with B6.


That surprises me that DL caught up so fast.
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Mon May 14, 2018 12:45 pm

Who cares about BOS-PHL. The big prize is BOS-DCA.
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 1:43 pm

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Who cares about BOS-PHL. The big prize is BOS-DCA.

Definitely a bold move to an AA fortress hub and B6 also flies nonstop there. I would say the bigger prize is ORD IMO.
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 2:19 pm

iyerhari wrote:
fastmover wrote:
Capn wrote:

I really think by next summer ( 2019 ) you will see ORD DFW CLT IAD ( I know DCA is the preferred airport but might not be possible ,slots , and there is a lot of business growth by IAD ) IAH SAT SDF YUL SAN MEM MDT ROC CLE STL DEN,just to name a few.
I maybe dreaming, but these are markets that will need to be served in order to cater to business demand.
I am sure DELTA is doing their homework and will do what is necessary to take on the competition.
As long as they keep outperforming their rivals they will get their market share
This is going to hurt a few of you, but it is the preferred airline...



The preferred airline of who?
Which rivals are they outperforming in Boston? Jetblue?

DL has already outpaced AA as of March-2018 in the number of PAX. The next target for DL is B6 although DL does not fly to most of AA hubs which also happen to be some of the most populous city. B6 has many glaring holes in the Midwest - as fastmover correctly pointed in this forum, DL's ultimate aim may be to add many destinations that B6 does not serve at this time - e.g. SDF, SAT etc. How much they add and how the gate space will be supportive, will be the key.

DL BOS-PHL flight times

6:45 am BOS 8:23 am PHL
9:00 am PHL 10:30 am PHL

11:05 am BOS 12:49 pm PHL
1:25 pm PHL 2:53 pm PHL

1:50 pm BOS 3:41 pm PHL
4:20 pm PHL 4:54 pm BOS

6:35 pm BOS 8:10 pm PHL
8:45 pm PHL 10:29 pm PHL

These are quite good competitive times during peak hours to fly to and from BOS/PHL to start with. I do not know of any destinations not flown by AA from PHL that DL flies from BOS with the exception of WS codeshare flights; DL is a very competitive company and I am sure they are trying to workout options to be competitive and close the gap with B6.




They are never going to be able to close the GAP with jetblue.
Blue just signed an agreement with massport for more gate and can still squeeze out more departures from its current gates. They will also be using more 321s on vacation routes. I think once the Europe stuff happens and the 321lrs come in jetblue will be in a great position at Boston. They still have plenty of time to add Midwest city’s. I think this is more about AA vs B6 and sure B6 gets hit a little so it’s like a win win for Delta.
Just don’t expect jetblue to not defend Boston as much as they can. I really think this is an AA DL war.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Mon May 14, 2018 2:38 pm

Press release: https://news.delta.com/nonstop-delta-se ... ming-oct-1

Most interesting part is this, IMO:

"Delta's continued investment in Boston will reach 112 peak day departures by this summer, an increase of 19 departures compared with summer 2017 and 29 departures over summer 2016. Delta and its partners will serve 51 total destinations from Boston, including 17 international destinations and the largest trans-Atlantic network."
BOS-LGA-JFK | A:319/20/21, 332/3, 346 || B:717, 735, 737, 738, 739, 752, 753, 762, 763, 764, 787, 772, 744 || MD80, MD90
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Mon May 14, 2018 2:46 pm

iyerhari wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
Who cares about BOS-PHL. The big prize is BOS-DCA.

Definitely a bold move to an AA fortress hub and B6 also flies nonstop there. I would say the bigger prize is ORD IMO.


Perhaps, but how much OD business BOS-PHL is there. I know from experience there is tons of BOS-DCA business traffic though.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Mon May 14, 2018 2:48 pm

The only way DL becomes #1 in Bos is by buying B6 or WN neither of which is likely to happen. While DL plans to grow to 150 per day. B6 will go to 200 and will have access to 9 more gates than DL at BOS, so no unless DL switches out a lot of the regional flying, there no way the gap is going to close.
Remember when the B move happens, B6 gets space just as much DL does.
That feeling when you sit at the end of a runway, brakes are released and the raw power takes over. Now that is a thing of beauty and it never gets old.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Mon May 14, 2018 2:52 pm

I recall when WN tried and miserably failed at 'BOS' - PHL (MHT/PVD/BOS), because all they had were 'big' 737s. That's where DL's CRJ-900s will succeed where those 737s did not.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Mon May 14, 2018 2:55 pm

I agree with you that B6 is going to defend hard in BOS but maybe DL wants to position itself as the choice carrier for business travelers?? Maybe?? Access to wide array of DL network, retroactive ticket bookings on SkyTeam network, business class lounge access etc are good perks IMO that b6 cannot offer at this time. Its not that b6 owns the BOS market - their marketshare in 2017 was just over 30% and i believe DL may end up taking AA’s slot in 2018. So its not that all that bad for DL and they see a lot of promise in BOS ( BOS is the AMZN think tank for Alexa)

PS i am not a DL fanboy ( my miles and status are with AA and i am stuck )
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 3:21 pm

iyerhari wrote:
I agree with you that B6 is going to defend hard in BOS but maybe DL wants to position itself as the choice carrier for business travelers?? Maybe?? Access to wide array of DL network, retroactive ticket bookings on SkyTeam network, business class lounge access etc are good perks IMO that b6 cannot offer at this time. Its not that b6 owns the BOS market - their marketshare in 2017 was just over 30% and i believe DL may end up taking AA’s slot in 2018. So its not that all that bad for DL and they see a lot of promise in BOS ( BOS is the AMZN think tank for Alexa)

PS i am not a DL fanboy ( my miles and status are with AA and i am stuck )



I didn’t say they owned it. It’s obviously fragmented. Just seems that there is a view that DL is going to walk in and take over. Jfk is the vacation side of B6 Boston is the business side with mostly 190s and more frequency. One of the reasons they started MSP and ATL was for business guys. JetBlue has way more room to grow.
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 3:50 pm

We should also recognize that B6 has a 'relationship' with Massport of a quality that AA and DL don't 'quite' have. Delta's relationship > AA's, IMO.

I theorize B6 went to Worcester to cement that relationship, and AA went there (their second try) for ostensibly the same reason. Now if DL marches into Worcester I think I'll laugh myself silly.
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 4:18 pm

tlecam wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
DL has already outpaced AA as of March-2018 in the number of PAX. The next target for DL is B6 although DL does not fly to most of AA hubs which also happen to be some of the most populous city. B6 has many glaring holes in the Midwest - as fastmover correctly pointed in this forum, DL's ultimate aim may be to add many destinations that B6 does not serve at this time - e.g. SDF, SAT etc. How much they add and how the gate space will be supportive, will be the key.

DL BOS-PHL flight times

6:45 am BOS 8:23 am PHL
9:00 am PHL 10:30 am PHL

11:05 am BOS 12:49 pm PHL
1:25 pm PHL 2:53 pm PHL

1:50 pm BOS 3:41 pm PHL
4:20 pm PHL 4:54 pm BOS

6:35 pm BOS 8:10 pm PHL
8:45 pm PHL 10:29 pm PHL

These are quite good competitive times during peak hours to fly to and from BOS/PHL to start with. I do not know of any destinations not flown by AA from PHL that DL flies from BOS with the exception of WS codeshare flights; DL is a very competitive company and I am sure they are trying to workout options to be competitive and close the gap with B6.


That surprises me that DL caught up so fast.


Delta's tactic so far of expanding rapidly in Boston has been very smart. They are leveraging mostly regional flying to add alot of destinations quickly with very little risk as far as filling large planes. Of course as routes mature they can get upgauged to larger aircraft. But for now the plan seems to be working well.

One way DL can grow quickly is ramping up TATL and other international flying from BOS. DUB has been a good step in the right direction for them. They could easily add some additional business heavy routes before B6 starts to dip their toes in the TATL waters. A bunch of international 767s and A330s would beef up their passenger count significantly.

I'm really happy to see these carriers start to fight it out. Has really been great for travelers in the area. Better pricing on better products with everyone trying to compete for our business.
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 4:35 pm

Another factor could be Amazon HQ2. Some smarties are saying That Boston and D.C. are neck and neck to win this prize, and the posturing by airlines is happening ahead of that announcement.
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 4:51 pm

chrisnh wrote:
We should also recognize that B6 has a 'relationship' with Massport of a quality that AA and DL don't 'quite' have. Delta's relationship > AA's, IMO.

I theorize B6 went to Worcester to cement that relationship, and AA went there (their second try) for ostensibly the same reason. Now if DL marches into Worcester I think I'll laugh myself silly.



That is the EXACT reason B6 is in ORH, and it’s the only reason. They are just playing the game.
We need to remember all the big guys pretty much ditched BOS. Jetblue kind of lucked into and really did well, just look at the changes where they now have all of C some of E and are getting more gates. International traffic was helped with all of the codeshares with B6. I’m not saying they are perfect but they have put the hard work into making Boston work and they don’t seem to get credit for it on here. Now here comes Delta andits like oh they will just push B6 out of the way and if they start a market first jetblue could never fly it. I just don’t buy that.
I still think you will see major changes to jetblue and what they are doing very soon.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Mon May 14, 2018 4:52 pm

chrisnh wrote:
Another factor could be Amazon HQ2. Some smarties are saying That Boston and D.C. are neck and neck to win this prize, and the posturing by airlines is happening ahead of that announcement.


I wonder if DL will bring lieflat seat to the BOS-SEA route. I'm sure the Amazon higher ups are gonna be much more interested in having a MINT seat than an old school first class recliner on DL.
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 4:59 pm

I hope you like sitting in traffic forever. Because that's what's gonna happen if Amazon HQ2 comes to Boston. You think it is bad now?? Just wait...
 
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Mon May 14, 2018 5:05 pm

pitbosflyer wrote:
Delta's tactic so far of expanding rapidly in Boston has been very smart. They are leveraging mostly regional flying to add alot of destinations quickly with very little risk as far as filling large planes. Of course as routes mature they can get upgauged to larger aircraft. But for now the plan seems to be working well.

One way DL can grow quickly is ramping up TATL and other international flying from BOS. DUB has been a good step in the right direction for them. They could easily add some additional business heavy routes before B6 starts to dip their toes in the TATL waters. A bunch of international 767s and A330s would beef up their passenger count significantly.

I'm really happy to see these carriers start to fight it out. Has really been great for travelers in the area. Better pricing on better products with everyone trying to compete for our business.

TATL is good but IMO they cannot do that until they get back their gates in Terminal A. I do not know if Massport can be creative and maybe add a gate/additional for DL - I just do not know if that is possible with the current configuration of A. DL has added quite a lot of new destinations and are showing keen interest to expand BOS which is good. Hopefully DL is working to get ICN and maybe HND? (possible?)

A question in this forum - prior to the B6 days, was the BOS market very fragmented with no clear market leader?

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