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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Wed May 30, 2018 6:15 am

ConcourseZ wrote:
No mention of PIT. They seem to be focusing on bigger things.


Not to mention, no specific mention of, say, MCI or BNA or other similarly sized cities with airport terminal expansion/reconstruction projects. Basically, this was a recap of WN's shareholder meeting held in Annapolis a couple weeks ago without a lot of specifics besides the Hawaii expansion.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 12:38 pm

Some WN changes I've seen so far
-PIT-BNA will be 2x daily throughout the schedule extension period
-PIT-LAX is showing 6x weekly (it dropped to 5x weekly with the last schedule adjustment)
-PIT-BWI 4x daily during the week with some minor variations (an increase of 1)
-PIT-MSY gets the axe after Oct.

I can't believe PIT-MSY will be completely unserved again.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 2:46 pm

STL is 2x Fri/Sat/Sun in November.
2x Sun in December but the December schedule is all over the place usually week to week so I don't pay much attention to it.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 3:18 pm

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I can't believe PIT-MSY will be completely unserved again.


Yeah, I figured with G4 out of the way, this would be a great opportunity for WN to add daily service. Q4 had about 115 PDEW and when you factor in market stimulation and connections, that should be enough to fill planes. Ah well, maybe NK will jump on it. CMH-MSY is served 5 weekly between NK and WN and CLE 3-4 weekly and those are smaller markets.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 3:24 pm

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I can't believe PIT-MSY will be completely unserved again.

That’s so disappointing. Hopefully the ACAA is able to find another carrier willing to operate the route.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 3:28 pm

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STL is 2x Fri/Sat/Sun in November.
2x Sun in December but the December schedule is all over the place usually week to week so I don't pay much attention to it.

The November I quoted it just the weekend before Thanksgiving. After is Sat/sun. So I guess November is very week to week also.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 3:32 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
STL is 2x Fri/Sat/Sun in November.
2x Sun in December but the December schedule is all over the place usually week to week so I don't pay much attention to it.

2x on Sun has been happening for a while now so that's nothing new. I checked the week of Nov 4 and Dec 9 and those are normal at 8x weekly. I see what you mean though, there are definitely some extra flights around the holidays. The final week of the schedule extension is back to normal, with the exception of 2 flights on Wednesday Jan 2 but again that is probably holiday related. Like PIT-BNA I imagine PIT-STL will be going 2x daily on a permanent basis fairly soon.


msycajun wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
I can't believe PIT-MSY will be completely unserved again.


Yeah, I figured with G4 out of the way, this would be a great opportunity for WN to add daily service. Q4 had about 115 PDEW and when you factor in market stimulation and connections, that should be enough to fill planes. Ah well, maybe NK will jump on it. CMH-MSY is served 5 weekly between NK and WN and CLE 3-4 weekly and those are smaller markets.

This has NK written all over it now that G4 and WN are out. Although for G4 it might have only been a temporary suspension.


Runway28L wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
I can't believe PIT-MSY will be completely unserved again.

That’s so disappointing. Hopefully the ACAA is able to find another carrier willing to operate the route.

Not just the ACAA, but the MSY authorities too! The route goes both ways.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 4:00 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
That’s so disappointing. Hopefully the ACAA is able to find another carrier willing to operate the route.

Not just the ACAA, but the MSY authorities too! The route goes both ways.

True... good point.

TBH despite what the PDEW numbers say, this route was completely killed by the lack of higher frequency. The route arguably would've done a better job stimulating demand if it were say... 5x weekly or even 1x daily.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 4:04 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
STL is 2x Fri/Sat/Sun in November.
2x Sun in December but the December schedule is all over the place usually week to week so I don't pay much attention to it.

2x on Sun has been happening for a while now so that's nothing new. I checked the week of Nov 4 and Dec 9 and those are normal at 8x weekly. I see what you mean though, there are definitely some extra flights around the holidays. The final week of the schedule extension is back to normal, with the exception of 2 flights on Wednesday Jan 2 but again that is probably holiday related. Like PIT-BNA I imagine PIT-STL will be going 2x daily on a permanent basis fairly soon.


STL-PIT wasn't 2x on Sunday on the last couple extensions (August-October). I agree with you about I would think it would be 2x daily sometime soon though since they seem to be adding it off and on. This is just a hard extension to get much out of. I think every weekend in November has different counts on some routes.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 5:55 pm

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STL-PIT wasn't 2x on Sunday on the last couple extensions (August-October).

Regardless, as mentioned its been running 2x on Sundays. Just check this weekend. WN's schedule extension days only account for a portion of WN's schedule changes; they make plenty of adjustments at other times.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 7:15 pm

China flights starting August 3 with China Eastern on the 777-300ER!

http://www.flypittsburgh.com/newsroom/news-releases/charter-flights-between-china-and-pittsburgh-inter

I can't really figure out how frequent these flights are going to heppen – if it's just this one time deal, or if it happen again after Aug 3? There is not a ton of information here.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 7:37 pm

According the article in the PG, there will be 2 flights this year.

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/de ... 1805310158

"China Eastern will operate two flights this year from Pittsburgh to Shanghai. The first will be Aug. 3 and the second will be Aug. 11. The airline will use a 316-seat Boeing 777 for the trips."
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 7:44 pm

PITexpress wrote:
According the article in the PG, there will be 2 flights this year.

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/de ... 1805310158

"China Eastern will operate two flights this year from Pittsburgh to Shanghai. The first will be Aug. 3 and the second will be Aug. 11. The airline will use a 316-seat Boeing 777 for the trips."


I thought I saw an article that said 4 flights this year, but regardless its a start! Got to give credit to the ACAA for getting creative to drum up new int'l service.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 7:53 pm

It's actually not a bad deal from the Pgh end for a visit to Shanghai. It's a fantastic city.

Here's the promo PDF:
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/getattachm ... lang=en-US
 
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Thu May 31, 2018 7:53 pm

These flights are perfectly timed for university move-in weeks. I am wondering if that has anything to do with this as well.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 8:05 pm

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These flights are perfectly timed for university move-in weeks. I am wondering if that has anything to do with this as well.


Hopefully they can properly advertise this flight to that group.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 8:25 pm

PITexpress wrote:
It's actually not a bad deal from the Pgh end for a visit to Shanghai. It's a fantastic city.

Here's the promo PDF:
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/getattachm ... lang=en-US

When this was first announced last year the impression was tours would be sold from China to PIT, and any unsold seats on the return could be sold as a one way ticket. I'm happy to see round trip tours will be sold from PIT as well; it only makes sense.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu May 31, 2018 8:29 pm

Great news! Surprised by the August 3 start date for "summer" charters. Perhaps this is the intro period and next year will be weekly starting from early summer.
 
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Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:22 pm

Anyone know why Condor has cancelled it last 2 FRA-PIT-FRA flights?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:59 pm

Regarding the China charters, if they decide to continue in the future, could we possibly expect to see them maybe twice per month? That would be amazing! I mean 1 time weekly would be great, but too optimistic i think.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:12 pm

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Anyone know why Condor has cancelled it last 2 FRA-PIT-FRA flights?


Another strike it seems.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:48 pm

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Anyone know why Condor has cancelled it last 2 FRA-PIT-FRA flights?


On their website it says "operational reasons". Not that it tells you much.

https://www.condor.com/us/flight-prepar ... pdates.jsp

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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:53 am

Wreckage of United Flight 93 will return to Shanksville this year to be buried as part of the Flight 93 National Memorial
http://triblive.com/state/pennsylvania/13714009-74/flight-93-jet-wreckage-to-be-buried-at-national-memorial-near-shanksville
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:02 am

flyPIT wrote:
Some WN changes I've seen so far
-PIT-BNA will be 2x daily throughout the schedule extension period
-PIT-LAX is showing 6x weekly (it dropped to 5x weekly with the last schedule adjustment)
-PIT-BWI 4x daily during the week with some minor variations (an increase of 1)
-PIT-MSY gets the axe after Oct.

I can't believe PIT-MSY will be completely unserved again.


Is the WN cut a seasonal cut or permanent? From what I've seen, the load factors weren't particularly great for WN on PIT-MSY.

Is PIT-BNA 2x an increase, decrease or the same levels? Also, which day isn't being restored on PIT-LAX (I'd think Saturday, or at least I'd hope so). And I wasn't exactly blown away by the LF's for PIT-BWI, so the added r/t is a bit of a surprise, unless WN is trying to improve connection opportunities at BWI to New England and or Southeastern US points not readily accessible from ATL.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:42 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
Is the WN cut a seasonal cut or permanent? From what I've seen, the load factors weren't particularly great for WN on PIT-MSY.

I'm holding out hope that WN's PIT-MSY service has just become seasonal instead of disappearing altogether. It was first announced as March-May only, so it might have reverted back to something similar?

ctrabs0114 wrote:
Is PIT-BNA 2x an increase, decrease or the same levels?

I think PIT-BNA was almost always 1x daily since it first started, so this will be an increase in service.

On another note, J1 appears to have very recently (and very quietly) dropped PIT-PVD. This is the fourth destination from PIT (after BNA, CVG and RIC) they've cut service to now, this doesn't look great for them at all.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:50 pm

I'm not sure what the point of seasonal once a week MSY service is? Also, MSY's peak travel season is winter.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:40 pm

SWA3651, SWA3698, SWA4386, and SWA4087.....back-to-back scheduled departures to BWI from 4:31 to 5:08pm. Any ideas what that's about?
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:10 pm

ConcourseZ wrote:
SWA3651, SWA3698, SWA4386, and SWA4087.....back-to-back scheduled departures to BWI from 4:31 to 5:08pm. Any ideas what that's about?

Weather diversions. UA1587 and AS1126 also diverted here.
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Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:22 pm

Runway28L wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
SWA3651, SWA3698, SWA4386, and SWA4087.....back-to-back scheduled departures to BWI from 4:31 to 5:08pm. Any ideas what that's about?

Weather diversions. UA1587 and AS1126 also diverted here.

Duh.....I should have know better.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:02 pm

So, some updates regarding OneJet at PIT, and it's a mixed bag.

  • PBI appears to be getting the chop, making it the fifth(!) destination to be terminated in the past six months. June 22nd is the last flight that can be booked through their website, even though Google Flights shows it as June 28th.
  • SDF has now been cut back from two flights each weekday to one, no change in aircraft.
  • BDL and IND are being upgraded from the 7-seat Hawker Beechjet to the 30-seat Fairchild-Dornier 328JET, which more than quadruples capacity on those routes. Frequency remains the same as before.
  • No sign of BNA, CVG, PVD or RIC returning, and no sign of MEM starting yet.
  • ALB and MKE remain at one Beechjet flight each weekday, MCI at two ERJ-135/145 flights each weekday.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:53 pm

JamesRenard wrote:
So, some updates regarding OneJet at PIT, and it's a mixed bag.

  • PBI appears to be getting the chop, making it the fifth(!) destination to be terminated in the past six months. June 22nd is the last flight that can be booked through their website, even though Google Flights shows it as June 28th.
  • SDF has now been cut back from two flights each weekday to one, no change in aircraft.
  • BDL and IND are being upgraded from the 7-seat Hawker Beechjet to the 30-seat Fairchild-Dornier 328JET, which more than quadruples capacity on those routes. Frequency remains the same as before.
  • No sign of BNA, CVG, PVD or RIC returning, and no sign of MEM starting yet.
  • ALB and MKE remain at one Beechjet flight each weekday, MCI at two ERJ-135/145 flights each weekday.

Any idea on load factors from the cut routes?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:00 pm

ConcourseZ wrote:
Any idea on load factors from the cut routes?

These were the load factors I was able to calculate from BTS/Transtats data. The most recent data is from November 2017, which is just before BNA, CVG and RIC got cut:

Outbound from PIT, Oct and Nov 2017
ALB: 66.06%, 75.45%
BDL: 84.80%, 76.42%
BNA: 78.80%, 79.17%
CVG: 69.23%, 63.08%
IND: 75.59%, 75.57%
MKE: 68.14%, 66.67%
PVD: 61.90%, 56.30%
RIC: 70.23%, 61.69%
SDF: 62.07%, 60.40%

Inbound to PIT, Oct and Nov 2017
ALB: 71.53%, 64.29%
BDL: 82.09%, 69.92%
BNA: 51.85%, 60.94%
CVG: 59.64%, 59.81%
IND: 74.24%, 77.65%
MKE: 72.26%, 58.89%
PVD: 47.62%, 57.87%
RIC: 71.37%, 58.24%
SDF: 63.78%, 59.20%
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:43 pm

JamesRenard wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
Any idea on load factors from the cut routes?

These were the load factors I was able to calculate from BTS/Transtats data. The most recent data is from November 2017, which is just before BNA, CVG and RIC got cut:

Outbound from PIT, Oct and Nov 2017
ALB: 66.06%, 75.45%
BDL: 84.80%, 76.42%
BNA: 78.80%, 79.17%
CVG: 69.23%, 63.08%
IND: 75.59%, 75.57%
MKE: 68.14%, 66.67%
PVD: 61.90%, 56.30%
RIC: 70.23%, 61.69%
SDF: 62.07%, 60.40%

Inbound to PIT, Oct and Nov 2017
ALB: 71.53%, 64.29%
BDL: 82.09%, 69.92%
BNA: 51.85%, 60.94%
CVG: 59.64%, 59.81%
IND: 74.24%, 77.65%
MKE: 72.26%, 58.89%
PVD: 47.62%, 57.87%
RIC: 71.37%, 58.24%
SDF: 63.78%, 59.20%


I'll fill in Jan and Feb 2018 (lowest months for travel
Outbound from PIT, Jan and Feb 2018
ALB: 68.6%, 70.7%
BDL: 70.3%, 70.2%
IND: 72.3%, 69.2%
MKE: 60%, 69.3%
PVD: 46.4%, 67%
SDF: 54.2%, 64.8%

Inbound from PIT, Jan and Feb 2018
ALB: 61.4%, 61.2%
BDL: 67.8%, 68.8%
IND: 64.1%, 65.9%
MKE: 60.1%, 72.5%
PVD: 49.7%, 52.2%
SDF: 46.5%, 62.4%
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:56 am

ConcourseZ wrote:
JamesRenard wrote:
So, some updates regarding OneJet at PIT, and it's a mixed bag.

  • PBI appears to be getting the chop, making it the fifth(!) destination to be terminated in the past six months. June 22nd is the last flight that can be booked through their website, even though Google Flights shows it as June 28th.
  • SDF has now been cut back from two flights each weekday to one, no change in aircraft.
  • BDL and IND are being upgraded from the 7-seat Hawker Beechjet to the 30-seat Fairchild-Dornier 328JET, which more than quadruples capacity on those routes. Frequency remains the same as before.
  • No sign of BNA, CVG, PVD or RIC returning, and no sign of MEM starting yet.
  • ALB and MKE remain at one Beechjet flight each weekday, MCI at two ERJ-135/145 flights each weekday.

Any idea on load factors from the cut routes?


Reply #46 of the OneJet thread has load factors ranked (both ways combined) for all markets November through February. (I didn't include Nashville since that has been long removed from their website -- it doesn't seem likely they'd come back to PIT-BNA since Southwest is there.)

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1393025

March should be out in a handful or two of days, giving us our first full month of BUF-ALB plus an initial glimpse of PIT-MCI / PIT-PBI.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:12 pm

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Runway28L wrote:
Anyone know why Condor has cancelled it last 2 FRA-PIT-FRA flights?


On their website it says "operational reasons". Not that it tells you much.

https://www.condor.com/us/flight-prepar ... pdates.jsp

Flight cancellations for DE2082/DE2083 on 31 May and DE2098/DE2099 on 1 June
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I am just about to pull the trigger for the first time on DE for next month. Do you know what happens to ticketed passengers in the case of a cancellation with them? Are they rebooked elsewhere?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:12 pm

A conspiracy theory question that maybe someone can shine a light on-

I grew up under the approach for 28L, my parents still live there. I have friends who also lived under that approach. I know volumes have decreased over the past 10 years compared to when I have grown up there in the USAir heyday - but even a year ago when I was there the planes were still mostly landing on 28L.

My parents noted that just recently it seems that there has been a noticeable drop in the number of planes flying over the house. They had talked to others who have noticed the same thing, so they know they aren't just imagining it.

I pulled up flightaware and have been watching for an hour and sure enough all planes are landing on 28R. Planes are taking off on either 28C or 28L.

This is different from what I remember and how I would think things would run in general when you look at the map of the airport. It makes more sense to me 28R would be used for takeoffs because the taxi from the gate to the nearest 28 is 28R. When landing, the taxi from the end of 28L is shorter then the taxi from the end of 28R (unless you slow down really fast). It is also opposite what I noticed last time I was in Pittsburgh - when we would go out and spot planes, they were arriving on 28L with the rare exception of cargo or private planes taking 28R.

What has changed in the past year (if anything?) The conspiracy theory is there is someone with political pull living under 28L complained so now they are sending everyone over to 28R.

Has anyone noticed a change in patterns recently?
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:51 pm

Luckyleaf6 wrote:
A conspiracy theory question that maybe someone can shine a light on-

I grew up under the approach for 28L, my parents still live there. I have friends who also lived under that approach. I know volumes have decreased over the past 10 years compared to when I have grown up there in the USAir heyday - but even a year ago when I was there the planes were still mostly landing on 28L.

My parents noted that just recently it seems that there has been a noticeable drop in the number of planes flying over the house. They had talked to others who have noticed the same thing, so they know they aren't just imagining it.

I pulled up flightaware and have been watching for an hour and sure enough all planes are landing on 28R. Planes are taking off on either 28C or 28L.

This is different from what I remember and how I would think things would run in general when you look at the map of the airport. It makes more sense to me 28R would be used for takeoffs because the taxi from the gate to the nearest 28 is 28R. When landing, the taxi from the end of 28L is shorter then the taxi from the end of 28R (unless you slow down really fast). It is also opposite what I noticed last time I was in Pittsburgh - when we would go out and spot planes, they were arriving on 28L with the rare exception of cargo or private planes taking 28R.

What has changed in the past year (if anything?) The conspiracy theory is there is someone with political pull living under 28L complained so now they are sending everyone over to 28R.

Has anyone noticed a change in patterns recently?


28L is closed at the moment. When you drive along the hill near the approach end you can see the giant flashing "X" sign. There might be some construction nearby necessitating the closure . It is also the runway in need of a total re-build in the near future. The ACAA is proposing to close 28L as part of the new terminal project so this might also be an experiment to see how to handle ops if it were to close. No conspiracy.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:20 pm

ConcourseZ wrote:

28L is closed at the moment. When you drive along the hill near the approach end you can see the giant flashing "X" sign. There might be some construction nearby necessitating the closure . It is also the runway in need of a total re-build in the near future. The ACAA is proposing to close 28L as part of the new terminal project so this might also be an experiment to see how to handle ops if it were to close. No conspiracy.


Thank you - I don't follow this thread religiously so after I posted I looked through and someone mentioned some work being done.

Any idea when it will reopen? Is 32 open?

This sucks! When we visit I like to bring the kids up to Ewing Road nightly and do some plane spotting at sunset - also watching the planes in our backyard is fun. If 28L is closed we will miss all of that.

Is there any good plane spotting for 28R other then Eat n Park's parking lot?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:27 pm

Luckyleaf6 wrote:
Is there any good plane spotting for 28R other then Eat n Park's parking lot?

There is a gravel lot at the intersection of Hangar Rd and I-376 Business.
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Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:37 pm

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There is a gravel lot at the intersection of Hangar Rd and I-376 Business.


Sweet - I see that in the aerial. Not as picturesque as Ewing but could be beneficial to have flight traffic funneled to 28R. What are the odds in being chased out by security?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:39 pm

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flyPIT wrote:
There is a gravel lot at the intersection of Hangar Rd and I-376 Business.


Sweet - I see that in the aerial. Not as picturesque as Ewing but could be beneficial to have flight traffic funneled to 28R. What are the odds in being chased out by security?


Its been years since I spotted from there but used to do it routinely. I was chased away only once - the Dalai Lama was arriving.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:43 pm

Ok, we know China Eastern is coming, but I want to ask, anyone here, what are their chances of making it at PIT and/or going year-round?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:12 pm

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A conspiracy theory question that maybe someone can shine a light on-

I grew up under the approach for 28L, my parents still live there. I have friends who also lived under that approach. I know volumes have decreased over the past 10 years compared to when I have grown up there in the USAir heyday - but even a year ago when I was there the planes were still mostly landing on 28L.

My parents noted that just recently it seems that there has been a noticeable drop in the number of planes flying over the house. They had talked to others who have noticed the same thing, so they know they aren't just imagining it.

I pulled up flightaware and have been watching for an hour and sure enough all planes are landing on 28R. Planes are taking off on either 28C or 28L.

This is different from what I remember and how I would think things would run in general when you look at the map of the airport. It makes more sense to me 28R would be used for takeoffs because the taxi from the gate to the nearest 28 is 28R. When landing, the taxi from the end of 28L is shorter then the taxi from the end of 28R (unless you slow down really fast). It is also opposite what I noticed last time I was in Pittsburgh - when we would go out and spot planes, they were arriving on 28L with the rare exception of cargo or private planes taking 28R.

What has changed in the past year (if anything?) The conspiracy theory is there is someone with political pull living under 28L complained so now they are sending everyone over to 28R.

Has anyone noticed a change in patterns recently?

All runway ops have been a bit out of whack since early February due to the Charlie pad being reconstructed and 28R not being able to take departures. This has caused RWY 28C or 28L to become the main departure runways and they seem reluctant to let any exceptions take 28L (I've heard multiple AA and G4 pilots request switching from 28R to 28L but be denied by approach).

The following patterns I've seen since early February:

Arrivals: 28R, 32
Departures: 28L

Arrivals: 28R
Departures: 28C (latest setup I saw when I was there Friday evening)

Arrivals: 10R
Departures: 10C, 14

Arrivals: 10L
Departures: 10C, 14

I have been told that 28L will be closed for the next few weeks. If you and your kids want to see jets, best places would either be the gravel lot like flyPIT mentioned (you may be approached) , Eat n' Parks's parking lot, or the parking lots around Lindbergh Drive off of B-376 (you also may be approached, more likely on weekdays). If they are landing on 32, you could either go to Scally's parking lot or the far end of Resurrection Cemetery.

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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:45 pm

Runway28L wrote:
All runway ops have been a bit out of whack since early February due to the Charlie pad being reconstructed and 28R not being able to take departures. This has caused RWY 28C or 28L to become the main departure runways and they seem reluctant to let any exceptions take 28L (I've heard multiple AA and G4 pilots request switching from 28R to 28L but be denied by approach).

The following patterns I've seen since early February:

Arrivals: 28R, 32
Departures: 28L

Arrivals: 28R
Departures: 28C (latest setup I saw when I was there Friday evening)

Arrivals: 10R
Departures: 10C, 14

Arrivals: 10L
Departures: 10C, 14

I have been told that 28L will be closed for the next few weeks. If you and your kids want to see jets, best places would either be the gravel lot like flyPIT mentioned (you may be approached) , Eat n' Parks's parking lot, or the parking lots around Lindbergh Drive off of B-376 (you also may be approached, more likely on weekdays). If they are landing on 32, you could either go to Scally's parking lot or the far end of Resurrection Cemetery.

Don't go to Atlantic Aviation. I got kicked out of there in January and it almost escalated.


Great advice all, really appreciate it. We are in town June 20-26, hopefully they get 28L back open.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:04 pm

Runway28L wrote:
This has caused RWY 28C or 28L to become the main departure runways and they seem reluctant to let any exceptions take 28L (I've heard multiple AA and G4 pilots request switching from 28R to 28L but be denied by approach).

That's ridiculous they don't have the flexibility to let AA or G4 land on 28L, which would save them a lot of time taxiing in. Its not like there is ever a huge conga line of departures that would get interrupted by an occasional arrival. And they want to close a runway :sarcastic: . In their analysis they actually consider fuel savings of using 28C in lieu of a closed 28L but here we are seeing AA forced to land on 28R resulting in significantly more taxi fuel being used just because a small portion of taxiway is closed.
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Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:15 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
This has caused RWY 28C or 28L to become the main departure runways and they seem reluctant to let any exceptions take 28L (I've heard multiple AA and G4 pilots request switching from 28R to 28L but be denied by approach).

That's ridiculous they don't have the flexibility to let AA or G4 land on 28L, which would save them a lot of time taxiing in. Its not like there is ever a huge conga line of departures that would get interrupted by an occasional arrival. And they want to close a runway :sarcastic: . In their analysis they actually consider fuel savings of using 28C in lieu of a closed 28L but here we are seeing AA forced to land on 28R resulting in significantly more taxi fuel being used just because a small portion of taxiway is closed.

I too agree that it’s a bit odd... and also ironic. Whenever WN or DL requests switching from 28L to 28R they allow them to do so with no problem (based off of my experience).
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:36 pm

Wow! Like fly pit said, it's not like they have 10 departures waiting to go off 28L or 28C! Ever for that matter. Sure would take a lot of effort to sequence an arrival between 2 departures.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:46 pm

Just saw on FlightAware that the DE flight isn't due until around 10:00pm (22:00). Ouch! WW is also over an hour late.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:07 pm

ConcourseZ wrote:
Just saw on FlightAware that the DE flight isn't due until around 10:00pm (22:00). Ouch! WW is also over an hour late.

Almost as bad as when I was walking around airside at 8:15pm Friday evening and saw the YUL flight pull into the gate... which was supposed to arrive at 3:20pm.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:54 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Don't go to Atlantic Aviation. I got kicked out of there in January and it almost escalated.


Just curious, are we talking the garage there or somewhere else near Atlantic? I went there once or twice early on when spotting but haven't been back in years. Its probably for the best, I wasn't aware they were so touchy!

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