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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:57 pm

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JamesRenard wrote:
I don't think this got mentioned already, but it looks like AA has cut PIT-CUN for 2019.

The flights were scheduled to start on Feb 16th, but now they're nowhere to be seen.

Gee, what a shocker. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that less than daily?


Saturday only. With G4, AA, DL, WN and Vacation Express all operating Saturday service on PIT-CUN something had to give. WN had very poor loads this summer and AA definitely seemed to be down from previous years. Somewhat surprisingly, G4 seemed to take no significant hit whatsoever with the additional competition but they also serve CUN year round and are anchored by the Apple contract.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:08 pm

JamesRenard wrote:
I don't think this got mentioned already, but it looks like AA has cut PIT-CUN for 2019.

The flights were scheduled to start on Feb 16th, but now they're nowhere to be seen.

Makes sense AA is cutting back a lot of flights that aren't to their hubs, I seems they want as little point to point flying from nonhub Airports as possible
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:46 pm

It's unfortunate that AA or anyone else doesn't see an opportunity to better serve PIT. It also doesn't make sense that the ACAA shave a little here and a little there off the landing fees. Maybe they don't have to drop them down to the same level as CLT, but I would think somewhere in the $8 or $9 range would be more than sufficient. It would be sweet if WN had 40 to 50 daily flights given their current list of cities they serve non-stop from PIT.

I know people are arguing that the ACAA will hike fees up if/when they move forward with the $1.1 billion airport expansion, but I keep seeing that they're going to use bonds/funds from drilling and the casinos for that. Who knows...
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:46 am

Anyone have an update on C-17 deliveries to the 911th? The new hanger looks far from completed. The first two tails were supposed to be moved from Dayton to the 911th this month. The base may not need the hangers initially since the aircraft have been modified and checked prior to delivery to Dayton.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:11 am

ConcourseZ wrote:
Anyone have an update on C-17 deliveries to the 911th? The new hanger looks far from completed. The first two tails were supposed to be moved from Dayton to the 911th this month. The base may not need the hangers initially since the aircraft have been modified and checked prior to delivery to Dayton.

AFAIK they have not visited here in over 3 weeks. The last one that came through flew up from CHS, did a touch-and-go on 28C, and flew straight to Wright-Patt. Seems like it was a new delivery. Tail number 02-1099.

The base definitely looks far from completion, but I remember reading that the construction schedule was very tight from the start and any issue would instantly cause delays which may be the case here.

The project includes two phases and I assume they are currently in the first phase, which is the major one. the second phase is expected to be completed in October 2019.
http://www.pittsburgh.afrc.af.mil/News/ ... 0s-to-c-1/
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:52 am

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I've noticed that AA has been doing a lot of upgauging at PIT. I've seen a lot more A321s, and A320s coming in from PHL and CLT. Hopefully this is AA starting to be more competitive in the PIT market now that BA is coming


That was starting to be the case with AA's PIT-DFW flights being upgauged from MDs and 319s to mostly 738s, from what I recall.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:40 am

What are any ones speculations of any new service added before 2019?

I hope WN would step up to the plate and add some new destinations, and would be great for DL to add a few smaller destinations onejet(any new news?) has left behind!
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:59 am

I didn't see it posted yet but September numbers were just released recently. Total passengers were up 5% monthly and 8.4% YoY. Monthly seats increased 2.4% thanks to AS launching SEA and Southern adding AVP.

Additionally, new service added in the last 12 months by Air Canada, Allegiant, and Delta, as well as capacity growth to San Francisco and Newark on United, Nashville on Southwest, and Boston and Dallas on American, all contributed to the growth in seats and flights for the month. Condor Airlines also offered nonstop service to Frankfurt longer into September than in 2017.

The biggest takeaway from the release:

"What’s important to note is that our passenger growth is outpacing the growth in seats indicating that there is a healthy demand for nonstop service and that this market is still underserved,” said Allegheny County Airport Authority CEO Christina Cassotis.

http://www.flypittsburgh.com/newsroom/n ... ent-at-pit
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:10 am

My wife and I decided to take a last minute trip to Montreal, and I was very curious to try out the new AC service to YUL. However, the cheapest price for 2 roundtrip tickets including a saturday layover was $2,400... We ended up taking Delta through JFK on the way there and DTW on the way home for a total of $800. This was upsetting, because I didn't get to try the nonstop flight, and, instead of a nice 90 minute nonstop flight home, we had to endure a 10 hour journey with the connection... It seems the route to YUL is doing well, because when I tried to book it, there were only 3 seats left.

While flying home, I was thinking about the new terminal, and had a question for anyone that might have a better idea... Where will the "bag rooms" be for the new terminal? The space under the current gates are offices/employee areas, so where will the bag room go if the new terminal is connected to where C and D are now?

Also, I am really happy with the things C.C. has done at PIT. I've traveled more this year than the past 2-3 years, and I must say, each time I travel, there is always something new or updated in the airport. Great job ACAA!!

The only thing that REALLY annoys me (and some other passengers commented as well) are the announcements in the train.... People seem to comment how it is annoying having a voice speaking the ENTIRE duration from departure til arrival. I don't mind a few words, but jeez.... No one really pays attention or cares... Maybe they can go back to the old announcement, or just play some nice classical music. Anyways, if the ACAA is reading this, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get rid of the annoying records in the Airtrain.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:18 pm

Looks like UA has removed mainline from EWR. Back to all E170/175 equipment. Not seeing any mainline in several dummy bookings until December. However, it appears that IAH is retaining its 1x daily A319 into November.

FWIW, IAD-PIT had an avgerage load factor of 56% in July. Worst performing mainline route out of IAD on UA mainline load-wise.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:25 pm

Cush wrote:
The only thing that REALLY annoys me (and some other passengers commented as well) are the announcements in the train.... People seem to comment how it is annoying having a voice speaking the ENTIRE duration from departure til arrival. I don't mind a few words, but jeez.... No one really pays attention or cares... Maybe they can go back to the old announcement, or just play some nice classical music. Anyways, if the ACAA is reading this, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get rid of the annoying records in the Airtrain.


Haha, agreed. And what they say is so cliché. Who wants to hear the local executive/official over and over? There has to be a better use of that space/time. How about some interesting facts about Pgh, or something like that? (Or advertise for F9...?)

The OAG thread says F9 is dropping SAN/MCO. Is that seasonally or permanent?

Lastly, I was driving through Harrisburg this weekend and lo and behold, a billboard for F9's MDT-RDU service.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:27 pm

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Cush wrote:
The only thing that REALLY annoys me (and some other passengers commented as well) are the announcements in the train.... People seem to comment how it is annoying having a voice speaking the ENTIRE duration from departure til arrival. I don't mind a few words, but jeez.... No one really pays attention or cares... Maybe they can go back to the old announcement, or just play some nice classical music. Anyways, if the ACAA is reading this, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get rid of the annoying records in the Airtrain.


Haha, agreed. And what they say is so cliché. Who wants to hear the local executive/official over and over? There has to be a better use of that space/time. How about some interesting facts about Pgh, or something like that? (Or advertise for F9...?)


I absolutely agree. I was thinking about that too. The announcement could be a simple "This train is departing for the landside terminal / this train is departing for concourses a/b/c/d", followed by a quick fun fact about Pittsburgh (that changes daily), then silence... This way, you know where the train is going, and that fun fact could lead to discussion with your travel group, or, could lead to someone reading/googling information, which could in turn lead to someone going to visit that place. For example, "Did you know the (building) was the first (type) of building in the US"... After hearing this, while waiting at the gate, someone might google it, and in turn, go to visit it in the future. I don't know, just an idea...
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:50 pm

Agreed with you all. I cringe every time I get on the train, it's so corny. Nobody needs to be told that we have restaurants downtown. Let Pittsburgh speak for itself, it's a great city.

Cush, really dig that idea!
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:10 pm

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Agreed with you all. I cringe every time I get on the train, it's so corny. Nobody needs to be told that we have restaurants downtown. Let Pittsburgh speak for itself, it's a great city.


Yes, great idea, exactly what I was thinking too.

The current message make me feel like I'm hearing, 'hey, we're actually a cool city and have cool things that other cool cities have... really!'
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:55 pm

Try listening to those damn train announcements half a dozen times a day or more.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:57 am

I wish the circumstances behind the visit was different, but here is a great video of AF1's arrival today. Worth viewing in full screen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9PNsj_6z24
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:02 am

That was a neat video. I, too, wish the circumstances were different.

Years back I saw AF1 land and take off at PHL. I was on a Southwest flight bound for PIT that was delayed a good 30 to 45min because of AF1. Watching it land was kinda funny. I just happened to look up at the right time to see a 747 touch down. It occurred to me a few seconds later that the 747 was AF1. Haha...
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:46 pm

Flying into PIT tomorrow. Quite excited as it has been 3 years since the last time I was there. I have a couple quick questions that I couldn’t dredge up easily with a google search. Was 10R/28L constructed with the construction of the current terminal and what is a good reference point to where the old terminal was?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:56 pm

TYSflyer wrote:
Flying into PIT tomorrow. Quite excited as it has been 3 years since the last time I was there. I have a couple quick questions that I couldn’t dredge up easily with a google search. Was 10R/28L constructed with the construction of the current terminal and what is a good reference point to where the old terminal was?


10R/28L was built in the late 1970's, long before the current terminal. The old terminal was where the "Airside Business Park" currently stands. You can see where the original two concourses were on satellite photos.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:16 pm

flyPIT wrote:
TYSflyer wrote:
Flying into PIT tomorrow. Quite excited as it has been 3 years since the last time I was there. I have a couple quick questions that I couldn’t dredge up easily with a google search. Was 10R/28L constructed with the construction of the current terminal and what is a good reference point to where the old terminal was?


10R/28L was built in the late 1970's, long before the current terminal. The old terminal was where the "Airside Business Park" currently stands. You can see where the original two concourses were on satellite photos.

Thanks. I found it pretty quickly with the satellite images. I would like to spot a little bit while I’m there if the weather is ok. Do you know the location where this video was shot?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A5o09mbQTiI
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:28 pm

Speaking of the Airside Business Park, for those that have been following the PIT thread series over the past couple decades might recall a proposal to build an international cargo facility on the space previously occupied by the old terminal. For a long long time I have searched for some renderings of what this might look like and finally found something:
Image

This proposal was shot down by Moon Twp due to concerns about noise, which is ridiculous. IIRC it was supposed to be large enough to accommodate 13 747s, which I can see in the image above if they add a 4th cargo building to the northeast of the largest one shown. Unfortunately only a portion of the first building was built and is used primarily for a tire distributor.
More here:
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/FlyPitt/media/Documents/guideline-1-9-3-airside-business-park-design-standards_1.pdf

Whoever scanned that did a horrible job, but there are diagrams at the end of the document. Probably the same person who put up a picture of a European city in the feature of the "nonstop" service to Delhi. Or that made this presentation of PIT's cargo service, which omits UPS to EWR/from SJU, FX to MDT, and same plane QR service from DOH, not to mention getting the dates for BA and DE reversed.
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/newsroom/cargo
Pretty sloppy on the ACAA website as of late.



Cush wrote:
While flying home, I was thinking about the new terminal, and had a question for anyone that might have a better idea... Where will the "bag rooms" be for the new terminal? The space under the current gates are offices/employee areas, so where will the bag room go if the new terminal is connected to where C and D are now?

It will be on the ground (ramp) level of the new building:
Image



Further documentation suggesting the Landside Terminal will be demolished (as opposed to repurposed):
http://www.pittransformed.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/TMP-AE-Landside-RFP-09072018-FINAL-A.pdf
Last page, point #7
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:35 pm

TYSflyer wrote:
I would like to spot a little bit while I’m there if the weather is ok. Do you know the location where this video was shot?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A5o09mbQTiI

That's from the office park off Ewing Rd. Take I-376 Business west, get off at Ewing Rd., go up the hill and there is an office building with parking on the right.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:55 pm

flyPIT, I'm assuming that the gate levels for C and D are above the level on the floorplan you posted there?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:01 pm

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flyPIT, I'm assuming that the gate levels for C and D are above the level on the floorplan you posted there?

Yes, that’s correct
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:45 pm

flyPIT wrote:
TYSflyer wrote:
I would like to spot a little bit while I’m there if the weather is ok. Do you know the location where this video was shot?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A5o09mbQTiI

That's from the office park off Ewing Rd. Take I-376 Business west, get off at Ewing Rd., go up the hill and there is an office building with parking on the right.

Awesome! Thanks for the help!
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:26 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Speaking of the Airside Business Park, for those that have been following the PIT thread series over the past couple decades might recall a proposal to build an international cargo facility on the space previously occupied by the old terminal. For a long long time I have searched for some renderings of what this might look like and finally found something:
Image

This proposal was shot down by Moon Twp due to concerns about noise, which is ridiculous. IIRC it was supposed to be large enough to accommodate 13 747s, which I can see in the image above if they add a 4th cargo building to the northeast of the largest one shown. Unfortunately only a portion of the first building was built and is used primarily for a tire distributor.
More here:
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/FlyPitt/media/Documents/guideline-1-9-3-airside-business-park-design-standards_1.pdf

Whoever scanned that did a horrible job, but there are diagrams at the end of the document. Probably the same person who put up a picture of a European city in the feature of the "nonstop" service to Delhi. Or that made this presentation of PIT's cargo service, which omits UPS to EWR/from SJU, FX to MDT, and same plane QR service from DOH, not to mention getting the dates for BA and DE reversed.
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/newsroom/cargo
Pretty sloppy on the ACAA website as of late.



Cush wrote:
While flying home, I was thinking about the new terminal, and had a question for anyone that might have a better idea... Where will the "bag rooms" be for the new terminal? The space under the current gates are offices/employee areas, so where will the bag room go if the new terminal is connected to where C and D are now?

It will be on the ground (ramp) level of the new building:
Image



Further documentation suggesting the Landside Terminal will be demolished (as opposed to repurposed):
http://www.pittransformed.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/TMP-AE-Landside-RFP-09072018-FINAL-A.pdf
Last page, point #7

There are a lot of parts I didn't like about the new terminal update, from what it looks like they are almost completely removing all the gates in the C concourse, from what it looks like there will only be 3 gates, I'm assuming they will be the international gates, they also appear to be removing the dog ears. But the biggest one of them all is that they are going to demolish the landside terminal, something I thought they were planning on keeping and having someone else use it, which would make the most financial sense, since they could make money off of it. But there were things that I liked about it, one of them was the addition of a cell phone lot something that was much needed, another one was the addition of a transit station, hopefully that means we will be getting light rail to the airport.
If I was doing it, I would keep the shape of the airport the same(keep the X), I would make the ceilings higher, closer to what big airports like Newark has, I would update the seats, do what they are doing at the end of concourse C, add power to the seats and have more power stations. I would do a complete makeover of the landside terminal, I would add more security lines to ease congestion, I would fix the baggage system, it shouldn't take 30 minutes to get a bag, I would change out the subway system to a more efficient one, like what Orlando (MCO) is doing. I would make it so that passengers coming in internationally don't have to go back through security just to connect to another flight.
I know this is long but this how I feel about the new update
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:59 am

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...from what it looks like they are almost completely removing all the gates in the C concourse, from what it looks like there will only be 3 gates, I'm assuming they will be the international gates...

Only C52, 54, 56, 58, and 60 are being knocked out by the new terminal. C55, 57, 59, and 61 will be the remaining FIS gates that won't be touched (58 and 60 are the FIS gates being knocked out based on that outline).

It really shouldn't be an issue as the most amount of aircraft at the end of C I have ever seen is three, which was only on certain days where DL, DE, and WW arrived simultaneously. I'm not counting the time where there was a UA B772 diversion parked at C in addition to the three other TATL flights which happened this past August. BA will also not be on the ground with both DE and WW simultaneously next summer barring IRROPS. Even the CUN flights on Saturdays are spread out through the day, so usually there is only one or two aircraft parked at the end of C, then either being towed to A/B/D or departing out of C before the next arrival.

If the airport feels like they need more FIS gates, then they can convert C51 and 53 from domestic to international. I'm sure that wouldn't be too difficult of a project to take on.

Either way, this project is definitely going to help with certain issues, especially those involving the landslide terminal and customs/immigration. The airport needs more space for additional security lines and the customs level in C desperately needs upgraded.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:27 am

The airport needs more space for additional security lines and the customs level in C desperately needs upgraded.


The "needs more space for additional security lines" argument is the one steadfast reason used for "needing" this new terminal. I have never ever (even the the most peak of times) seen every existing security lane open to process passengers (including and especially the E concourse TSA lines). Therefore, in my mind, you could make that area 75 lanes wide...but it will not increase the flow of passengers or shorten the line.

Does anyone agree or disagree?

...and even if the argument does hold true. Simply widen the "bridge" the TSA security theater takes place on over the commercial arrivals area and, poof, there is your extra "needed" area. The problem here is TSA staffing...not the need for additional security lines.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:02 am

pgh234 wrote:
The airport needs more space for additional security lines and the customs level in C desperately needs upgraded.


The "needs more space for additional security lines" argument is the one steadfast reason used for "needing" this new terminal. I have never ever (even the the most peak of times) seen every existing security lane open to process passengers (including and especially the E concourse TSA lines). Therefore, in my mind, you could make that area 75 lanes wide...but it will not increase the flow of passengers or shorten the line.

Does anyone agree or disagree?

...and even if the argument does hold true. Simply widen the "bridge" the TSA security theater takes place on over the commercial arrivals area and, poof, there is your extra "needed" area. The problem here is TSA staffing...not the need for additional security lines.

It appears to be more than security lines: bad bag travel system, high maintenance with the tram system, fewer airlines needing less space, poor passenger flow, too many gates for a non-hub (now) airport, overall inefficient.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:06 am

Runway28L wrote:
If the airport feels like they need more FIS gates, then they can convert C51 and 53 from domestic to international. I'm sure that wouldn't be too difficult of a project to take on.

Looks like that is exactly what they are planning..... Note the sterile corridor (purple) extending all the way down to C51:
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So that would bring the int'l gates back up to 6, which is good. There have been a few times this past summer when the 3 European flights and two Caribbean flights were on the ground at the same time. If Porter still had been coming here it would have been every int'l gate occupied. We don't know if/what WW's schedule will be like, and hopefully BA can allocate more desirable slot times, so we definitely don't want to lose int'l capacity. Besides, its not like those gates can't be used for domestic flights.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:06 am

Boutique started service to JST today, taking over from Southern Airways Express.

Anybody catch a glimpse of a Pilatus?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:24 pm

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Boutique started service to JST today, taking over from Southern Airways Express.

Anybody catch a glimpse of a Pilatus?


Video, pic, and article here:
https://www.tribdem.com/news/watch-video-i-really-liked-what-i-saw-airport-authority/article_e9847c9a-de52-11e8-b2d3-5f1f172766b6.html

JST really has been hating on Southern Airways which I find odd considering all the other Southern stations have been raving about them.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:09 pm

flyPIT wrote:
JamesRenard wrote:
Boutique started service to JST today, taking over from Southern Airways Express.

Anybody catch a glimpse of a Pilatus?


Video, pic, and article here:
https://www.tribdem.com/news/watch-video-i-really-liked-what-i-saw-airport-authority/article_e9847c9a-de52-11e8-b2d3-5f1f172766b6.html

JST really has been hating on Southern Airways which I find odd considering all the other Southern stations have been raving about them.

upon landing in JST, towards the end of the video, I heard some guy tell the ground personnel that he was continuing on to Baltimore!.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:00 pm

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ConcourseZ wrote:
Anyone have an update on C-17 deliveries to the 911th? The new hanger looks far from completed. The first two tails were supposed to be moved from Dayton to the 911th this month. The base may not need the hangers initially since the aircraft have been modified and checked prior to delivery to Dayton.

AFAIK they have not visited here in over 3 weeks. The last one that came through flew up from CHS, did a touch-and-go on 28C, and flew straight to Wright-Patt. Seems like it was a new delivery. Tail number 02-1099.

Well it looks like I spoke a bit too soon as one of them is back currently doing some pattern work here this afternoon. Callsign PITT50. 02-1099.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:09 am

JamesRenard wrote:
Boutique started service to JST today, taking over from Southern Airways Express.

Anybody catch a glimpse of a Pilatus?


I departed this morning from A14 and it was parked next to us at A16.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:17 am

pgh234 wrote:
The airport needs more space for additional security lines and the customs level in C desperately needs upgraded.


The "needs more space for additional security lines" argument is the one steadfast reason used for "needing" this new terminal. I have never ever (even the the most peak of times) seen every existing security lane open to process passengers (including and especially the E concourse TSA lines). Therefore, in my mind, you could make that area 75 lanes wide...but it will not increase the flow of passengers or shorten the line.

Does anyone agree or disagree?

...and even if the argument does hold true. Simply widen the "bridge" the TSA security theater takes place on over the commercial arrivals area and, poof, there is your extra "needed" area. The problem here is TSA staffing...not the need for additional security lines.


I certainly have. I've seen Alternate fully opened with a line into the corridor to the main building and the main checkpoint queued out past the escalators towards the parking garage on more than one occasion, excluding holiday travel. If they can consolidate the checkpoints down to one location, they should be able to keep more lanes open for longer periods during the day.

One thing to remember is this airport building will have been used in operation for over 30 year by the time the new landslide terminal opens. We are at the point where you either keep pouring money into a facility that will always be sub par or you replace it with something that should last you well into the future.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:27 am

One thing that just crossed my mind... there has been absolutely zero word on the China charters since the last flight on Aug 11. I imagine we would've heard something from Caissa or the ACAA by now, like how the flights did performance-wise or what intentions are for 2019. Just seems really odd how not a single peep has been said regarding the flights. Makes me start to wonder... :scratchchin:
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:55 pm

Miami Air operating a charter to Antigua:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK504



Anyone know what's up with these r/t G4 flights to/from BGR?
Sunday
04-Nov-2018
12:24AM EDT Bangor Intl - BGR
01:05AM EST Pittsburgh Intl - PIT
A319
1h 41m

Sunday
21-Oct-2018
12:22AM EDT Bangor Intl - BGR
02:01AM EDT Pittsburgh Intl - PIT
A319
1h 39m
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4703/history/20181104/0314Z/KBGR/KPIT


Friday
02-Nov-2018
08:15AM EDT Pittsburgh Intl - PIT
09:36AM EDT Bangor Intl - BGR
A319
1h 21m
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4700/history/20181102/1215Z/KPIT/KBGR




Runway28L wrote:
One thing that just crossed my mind... there has been absolutely zero word on the China charters since the last flight on Aug 11. I imagine we would've heard something from Caissa or the ACAA by now, like how the flights did performance-wise or what intentions are for 2019. Just seems really odd how not a single peep has been said regarding the flights. Makes me start to wonder... :scratchchin:

For the first flight there was not even two months lead time so I'm not too worried about it at this point. And they did say how it did performance-wise... every seat was full inbound. I'm more interested in what WW has in store for PIT, if anything. Its been crickets on that front which is odd considering all the press they've been given about literally every other N. American destination being dropped, expanded, or at least extended.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:22 pm

Those G4 flights questioned are positioning flights for charters.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:48 pm

Not sure if it has been mentioned but UA is resuming their second SFO flight in Apr as confirmed in the OAG thread:
"UA PIT-SFO APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.0>2[1.0]"
Business ties between PIT and SFO keep growing; just in the past month there has been news of Facebook increasing their PIT operation 6 fold, and this news as well:
https://venturebeat.com/2018/10/22/lending-startup-affirm-to-open-pittsburgh-office-with-plans-to-hire-500-people-in-5-years/

I'd love to see UA give PIT-LAX another shot; its been several years since they dropped it. I see they will be operating CLE-LAX 3x daily during summer.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:08 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Not sure if it has been mentioned but UA is resuming their second SFO flight in Apr as confirmed in the OAG thread:
"UA PIT-SFO APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.0>2[1.0]"
Business ties between PIT and SFO keep growing; just in the past month there has been news of Facebook increasing their PIT operation 6 fold, and this news as well:
https://venturebeat.com/2018/10/22/lending-startup-affirm-to-open-pittsburgh-office-with-plans-to-hire-500-people-in-5-years/

I'd love to see UA give PIT-LAX another shot; its been several years since they dropped it. I see they will be operating CLE-LAX 3x daily during summer.


I agree wholeheartedly. If they can support SFO 2X Daily for most of the year...at least give LAX a shot.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:17 pm

Noticed quite a few changes for DL at PIT starting in June:

-PIT-MSP upgraded to entirely mainline.
-PIT-LGA is going all E170/175 with the exception of one CRJ9.
-PIT-BOS is now showing 5x daily flights. Seems like they are going all-in against B6 for this route.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:18 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Noticed quite a few changes for DL at PIT starting in June:

-PIT-MSP upgraded to entirely mainline.
-PIT-LGA is going all E170/175 with the exception of one CRJ9.
-PIT-BOS is now showing 5x daily flights. Seems like they are going all-in against B6 for this route.


All CR9s to BOS as well so that's some amazing growth. I also see two A319s to DTW although I don't know how that compares to this past summer. I know they had at least one 717 on the route. If they would only add LAX and RDU...
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:34 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Noticed quite a few changes for DL at PIT starting in June:

-PIT-MSP upgraded to entirely mainline.
-PIT-LGA is going all E170/175 with the exception of one CRJ9.
-PIT-BOS is now showing 5x daily flights. Seems like they are going all-in against B6 for this route.


All CR9s to BOS as well so that's some amazing growth. I also see two A319s to DTW although I don't know how that compares to this past summer. I know they had at least one 717 on the route. If they would only add LAX and RDU...

The BOS adds surprise me a lot. From what's been told, DL is performing horribly compared to B6 on this route. Looks like they are willing to take losses to try and eat into B6's share at BOS. I wonder if they are also going after AA FFs at PIT, who will have to go somewhere when they cut the route in December.

2x daily mainline is usually what DL operates to DTW in the summer. IIRC it was 1x MD-90 and 1x B712 last summer in addition to CRJ9 equipment.

I totally see DL adding RDU in 2019. Especially if AA were to drop it, which I think will happen. LAX I'm not so sure about.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:29 pm

Not sure what G4's plans are for MYR-PIT in 2019. The booking window currently extends to mid-May, and nothing comes up on Google Flights for the route. It can't be booked on G4's website either, although the service still shows as seasonal on the route map.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:33 pm

What's so special about RDU service that you can't get from anywhere else in the DL network?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:47 pm

Lots of weird things on G4's website right now. MYR-PSM/SDF/IND/CLE are not bookable either (I stopped checking after those 4 random choices). On the route map all flights from PIT are showing "active" (as opposed to seasonal) including SJU and AUS.


Lexy wrote:
What's so special about RDU service that you can't get from anywhere else in the DL network?

Not sure what you're asking.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:58 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Not sure if it has been mentioned but UA is resuming their second SFO flight in Apr as confirmed in the OAG thread:
"UA PIT-SFO APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.0>2[1.0]"
Business ties between PIT and SFO keep growing; just in the past month there has been news of Facebook increasing their PIT operation 6 fold, and this news as well:
https://venturebeat.com/2018/10/22/lending-startup-affirm-to-open-pittsburgh-office-with-plans-to-hire-500-people-in-5-years/

I'd love to see UA give PIT-LAX another shot; its been several years since they dropped it. I see they will be operating CLE-LAX 3x daily during summer.

Amazing that Venture Beat refers to Pittsburgh as a "rust belt" city. C'mon people.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:15 am

Runway28L wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Noticed quite a few changes for DL at PIT starting in June:

-PIT-MSP upgraded to entirely mainline.
-PIT-LGA is going all E170/175 with the exception of one CRJ9.
-PIT-BOS is now showing 5x daily flights. Seems like they are going all-in against B6 for this route.


All CR9s to BOS as well so that's some amazing growth. I also see two A319s to DTW although I don't know how that compares to this past summer. I know they had at least one 717 on the route. If they would only add LAX and RDU...

The BOS adds surprise me a lot. From what's been told, DL is performing horribly compared to B6 on this route. Looks like they are willing to take losses to try and eat into B6's share at BOS. I wonder if they are also going after AA FFs at PIT, who will have to go somewhere when they cut the route in December.

2x daily mainline is usually what DL operates to DTW in the summer. IIRC it was 1x MD-90 and 1x B712 last summer in addition to CRJ9 equipment.

I totally see DL adding RDU in 2019. Especially if AA were to drop it, which I think will happen. LAX I'm not so sure about.


here is the thing. AA was operating 45 to 50 seaters on this route and DL replaced that with CR9s. So even if all O&D passengers on AA switch over to DL, it would not come close to fill those flights. They are going after B6 customers.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:28 am

Going after B6 customers, and flowing their PIT-Europe passengers through their growing BOS hub now that they no longer operate PIT-CDG.


April '18 trans-Atlantic loads:
PIT-KEF 78%
KEF-PIT 76%



ConcourseZ wrote:
Amazing that Venture Beat refers to Pittsburgh as a "rust belt" city. C'mon people.
You mean I don't live here?
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As long as Venture Beat continues to have new news to report about Pittsburgh's tech scene I'm happy.
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