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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:25 pm

That’s odd. Southwest isn’t even included on Skyscanner.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:45 pm

Cool news out of Pendleton where Airbus' subsidiary Vahana has successfully completed the first flight of a "driverless air taxi"

http://www.wweek.com/technology/2018/02 ... in-oregon/
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:07 pm

Just noticed Alaska is flying an E175 PDX-BNA, AS9790. Charter? Test run? I guess the plane has the range. Might be a light load.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:49 pm

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Just noticed Alaska is flying an E175 PDX-BNA, AS9790. Charter? Test run? I guess the plane has the range. Might be a light load.


Doesn't BNA have Embraer support facilities? Perhaps a maintenance ferry. Eastbound with full tanks, two pilots, and a tailwind should be able to do that fairly easy.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:06 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
Just noticed Alaska is flying an E175 PDX-BNA, AS9790. Charter? Test run? I guess the plane has the range. Might be a light load.


Doesn't BNA have Embraer support facilities? Perhaps a maintenance ferry. Eastbound with full tanks, two pilots, and a tailwind should be able to do that fairly easy.


SkyWest also has a MX facility in BNA IIRC.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:30 pm

OAG changes for Oregon:

AA ORD-PDX MAY 1.0>1.7 - Looks like AA is going back to 2 x daily during the summer

DL ATL-PDX JUN 5>4
DL MSP-PDX OCT 5>4
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:17 am

RWA380 wrote:
OAG changes for Oregon:

AA ORD-PDX MAY 1.0>1.7 - Looks like AA is going back to 2 x daily during the summer

DL ATL-PDX JUN 5>4
DL MSP-PDX OCT 5>4


I always thought AA did 3x during the summer. 8am flight, 3pm flight and a redeye. Maybe I'm mistaken. There's a lot of competition on PDX-CHI.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:28 am

ooslc wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
OAG changes for Oregon:

AA ORD-PDX MAY 1.0>1.7 - Looks like AA is going back to 2 x daily during the summer

DL ATL-PDX JUN 5>4
DL MSP-PDX OCT 5>4


I always thought AA did 3x during the summer. 8am flight, 3pm flight and a redeye. Maybe I'm mistaken. There's a lot of competition on PDX-CHI.


I remember several AA PDX-ORD dailies last year. OneWorld’s presence in Portland continues to wither.

Meanwhile, my personal peeve: The disparity between SEA-WAS and PDX-WAS nonstops just went from ridiculous to ludicrous:

SEA-WAS: 8 (IAD 3, BWI 3, DCA 2)
PDX-WAS: 1 (DCA 1)


United resumes its lone IAD nonstop in March.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:35 pm

More numbers from December 2017 at PDX. Although the airport topped a record 19 million passengers for the year, some traffic segments contracted:

ULCCs cut back sharply compared with 2016. Frontier’s total passengers dropped 35.3% compared with Dec 2016; total number of flights plunged from 144 in Dec 2016 to 62. Spirit’s total passengers declined 44%; total number of flights were cut to 62 from 122 in Dec 2016.

Alaska’s Horizon division, which experienced a pilot shortage, saw 26.5% fewer passengers compared with Dec 2016. Total number of flights operated dropped from 3,520 in Dec 2016 to 2,864 in Dec 2017.

Meanwhile, Aeromexico posted a 75% LF during its first month PDX-MEX.
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:04 pm

jbpdx wrote:
More numbers from December 2017 at PDX. Although the airport topped a record 19 million passengers for the year, some traffic segments contracted:

ULCCs cut back sharply compared with 2016. Frontier’s total passengers dropped 35.3% compared with Dec 2016; total number of flights plunged from 144 in Dec 2016 to 62. Spirit’s total passengers declined 44%; total number of flights were cut to 62 from 122 in Dec 2016.

Alaska’s Horizon division, which experienced a pilot shortage, saw 26.5% fewer passengers compared with Dec 2016. Total number of flights operated dropped from 3,520 in Dec 2016 to 2,864 in Dec 2017.

Meanwhile, Aeromexico posted a 75% LF during its first month PDX-MEX.


I am not overly surprised about ULCC's here at PDX. NK has tried DFW, ORD, LAX, SAN & LAS & now this years try is DTW, nothing has stuck year round except LAS. F9 is flying 1 x daily to PDX currently, every day but Sunday is a total loser for outbound connections, it shows how seasonal Portland really is as a destination & how business folks do not fly the ULCC's.

One friend of mine at AAG thinks QX is a lost cause & will continue to be so, until the money is invested in retaining employees, otherwise they'll always be in constant flux with employees in then out to a better paying outfit, like SkyWest. Just the musings of a couple of longtime friends, nothing more.

AM with 75% is telling, that AM should enjoy a fruitful operation out of PDX, with the DL fans & the great connections to S. America. & C. America, Volaris is doing well flying here as well.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:47 pm

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I am not overly surprised about ULCC's here at PDX.



Sun Country added 8 flights, from 50 in Dec 2016 to 58, and saw a 29.3% increase in passengers. Might be a good idea for the airport to court Sun Country to add here as the company shifts focus and expands out of MSP.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:33 pm

RWA380 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
More numbers from December 2017 at PDX. Although the airport topped a record 19 million passengers for the year, some traffic segments contracted:

ULCCs cut back sharply compared with 2016. Frontier’s total passengers dropped 35.3% compared with Dec 2016; total number of flights plunged from 144 in Dec 2016 to 62. Spirit’s total passengers declined 44%; total number of flights were cut to 62 from 122 in Dec 2016.

Alaska’s Horizon division, which experienced a pilot shortage, saw 26.5% fewer passengers compared with Dec 2016. Total number of flights operated dropped from 3,520 in Dec 2016 to 2,864 in Dec 2017.

Meanwhile, Aeromexico posted a 75% LF during its first month PDX-MEX.


F9 is flying 1 x daily to PDX currently, every day but Sunday is a total loser for outbound connections, it shows how seasonal Portland really is as a destination & how business folks do not fly the ULCC's.

It looks like F9 no longer operates ORD-PDX, unless I'm missing something...
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:33 am

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It looks like F9 no longer operates ORD-PDX, unless I'm missing something...


Not for quite a while. I think Frontier could leave Portland and never be missed.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:00 am

FA9295 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
More numbers from December 2017 at PDX. Although the airport topped a record 19 million passengers for the year, some traffic segments contracted:

ULCCs cut back sharply compared with 2016. Frontier’s total passengers dropped 35.3% compared with Dec 2016; total number of flights plunged from 144 in Dec 2016 to 62. Spirit’s total passengers declined 44%; total number of flights were cut to 62 from 122 in Dec 2016.

Alaska’s Horizon division, which experienced a pilot shortage, saw 26.5% fewer passengers compared with Dec 2016. Total number of flights operated dropped from 3,520 in Dec 2016 to 2,864 in Dec 2017.

Meanwhile, Aeromexico posted a 75% LF during its first month PDX-MEX.


F9 is flying 1 x daily to PDX currently, every day but Sunday is a total loser for outbound connections, it shows how seasonal Portland really is as a destination & how business folks do not fly the ULCC's.

It looks like F9 no longer operates ORD-PDX, unless I'm missing something...

I think you mean Portland to Denver.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:35 am

dc10lover wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

F9 is flying 1 x daily to PDX currently, every day but Sunday is a total loser for outbound connections, it shows how seasonal Portland really is as a destination & how business folks do not fly the ULCC's.

It looks like F9 no longer operates ORD-PDX, unless I'm missing something...

I think you mean Portland to Denver.

Sorry, I thought that RWA380 was referring to ORD-PDX, which F9 seems to have mysteriously dropped along with STL-PDX (long time ago) and PHX-PDX... I guess the PDX market hasn't really been working out for F9. Not really sure why that would be though. AS doesn't operate PDX-DEN, and it's not like F9 faces competition from both WN and UA on pretty much any of their other routes out of DEN :? ...
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:26 am

jbpdx wrote:
ooslc wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
OAG changes for Oregon:

AA ORD-PDX MAY 1.0>1.7 - Looks like AA is going back to 2 x daily during the summer

DL ATL-PDX JUN 5>4
DL MSP-PDX OCT 5>4


I always thought AA did 3x during the summer. 8am flight, 3pm flight and a redeye. Maybe I'm mistaken. There's a lot of competition on PDX-CHI.


I remember several AA PDX-ORD dailies last year. OneWorld’s presence in Portland continues to wither.

Meanwhile, my personal peeve: The disparity between SEA-WAS and PDX-WAS nonstops just went from ridiculous to ludicrous:

SEA-WAS: 8 (IAD 3, BWI 3, DCA 2)
PDX-WAS: 1 (DCA 1)


United resumes its lone IAD nonstop in March.


Not sure why this is personal for you. In the summer, PDX goes N/S to DCA (AS), BWI (AS and SW), and IAD (UA). I’m sill stunned by the comparisons between PDX and SEA. Apples and oranges my friend. Not only does SEA have a much larger population, but that same population carries a much wealthier passenger. Plus, the fact that SEA has way more MASSIVE Fortune 500 companies willing to fly their employees in F all over the world. Just doesn’t compute. I get the homerism, but enough with trying to compare...constantly. It gets old. If airlines thought they would make enough money, don’t you think they would open/expand said route? You think airlines are looking for ways to not make money? It’s like this thread has its own SANFAN. Let’s be real with expectations. This city has plenty of options around the globe, for its size. More will come when warranted.
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:11 am

dc10lover wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

F9 is flying 1 x daily to PDX currently, every day but Sunday is a total loser for outbound connections, it shows how seasonal Portland really is as a destination & how business folks do not fly the ULCC's.

It looks like F9 no longer operates ORD-PDX, unless I'm missing something...

I think you mean Portland to Denver.


I did, thanks.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:18 pm

pdxav8r wrote:
It’s like this thread has its own SANFAN. Let’s be real with expectations. This city has plenty of options around the globe, for its size. More will come when warranted.

Hey!!!!!!

Not sure if I like the reference or not, but I guess the 'publicity' is prolly a good thing in any case!

(BTW, a good post, pdxav8r.)

In a related matter, looks like PDX got a new route from F9 this morning -- AUS! That's a positive, right?

bb
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:39 pm

SANFan wrote:
pdxav8r wrote:
It’s like this thread has its own SANFAN. Let’s be real with expectations. This city has plenty of options around the globe, for its size. More will come when warranted.

Hey!!!!!!

Not sure if I like the reference or not, but I guess the 'publicity' is prolly a good thing in any case!

(BTW, a good post, pdxav8r.)

In a related matter, looks like PDX got a new route from F9 this morning -- AUS! That's a positive, right?

bb

Source? I cannot find this anywhere...
Nevermind, found it: https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... ew-cities/
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:54 pm

FA9295 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
pdxav8r wrote:
It’s like this thread has its own SANFAN. Let’s be real with expectations. This city has plenty of options around the globe, for its size. More will come when warranted.

Hey!!!!!!

Not sure if I like the reference or not, but I guess the 'publicity' is prolly a good thing in any case!

(BTW, a good post, pdxav8r.)

In a related matter, looks like PDX got a new route from F9 this morning -- AUS! That's a positive, right?

bb

Source? I cannot find this anywhere...
Nevermind, found it: https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... ew-cities/

Sigh, of course it's only operated 3x weekly (Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday) and there's already two nonstop flights to AUS on AS and WN...
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:57 pm

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That’s odd. Southwest isn’t even included on Skyscanner.

Southwest's reservation system is very odd. Google flights shows Southwest's routes but it doesn't show the price or even the airline's logo...
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:03 pm

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jbpdx wrote:
That’s odd. Southwest isn’t even included on Skyscanner.

Southwest's reservation system is very odd. Google flights shows Southwest's routes but it doesn't show the price or even the airline's logo...


They don't publish their fares in GDS.
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:08 pm

pdxav8r wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
ooslc wrote:

I always thought AA did 3x during the summer. 8am flight, 3pm flight and a redeye. Maybe I'm mistaken. There's a lot of competition on PDX-CHI.


I remember several AA PDX-ORD dailies last year. OneWorld’s presence in Portland continues to wither.

Meanwhile, my personal peeve: The disparity between SEA-WAS and PDX-WAS nonstops just went from ridiculous to ludicrous:

SEA-WAS: 8 (IAD 3, BWI 3, DCA 2)
PDX-WAS: 1 (DCA 1)


United resumes its lone IAD nonstop in March.


Not sure why this is personal for you. In the summer, PDX goes N/S to DCA (AS), BWI (AS and SW), and IAD (UA). I’m sill stunned by the comparisons between PDX and SEA. Apples and oranges my friend. Not only does SEA have a much larger population, but that same population carries a much wealthier passenger. Plus, the fact that SEA has way more MASSIVE Fortune 500 companies willing to fly their employees in F all over the world. Just doesn’t compute. I get the homerism, but enough with trying to compare...constantly. It gets old. If airlines thought they would make enough money, don’t you think they would open/expand said route? You think airlines are looking for ways to not make money? It’s like this thread has its own SANFAN. Let’s be real with expectations. This city has plenty of options around the globe, for its size. More will come when warranted.

Nobody said anything about it being "personal", and he has the right to be upset about that. I also think that an 8 to 1 SEA vs. PDX ratio is very lopsided. I think that an 8 to 4 ratio sounds about right for SEA/PDX to WAS. There are plenty of other flights to/from SEA and PDX that are lopsided in my opinion. What you say about SEA having more business potential and the general population differences between SEA and PDX also has merit, however I do think that PDX is a bit under served. But I live in the PDX area, so of course I'm going to think that... :smile:

Also, this is absolutely nothing compared to the guy who keeps on wining and complaining about Detroit (DTW)...
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:12 pm

FA9295 wrote:
pdxav8r wrote:
jbpdx wrote:

I remember several AA PDX-ORD dailies last year. OneWorld’s presence in Portland continues to wither.

Meanwhile, my personal peeve: The disparity between SEA-WAS and PDX-WAS nonstops just went from ridiculous to ludicrous:

SEA-WAS: 8 (IAD 3, BWI 3, DCA 2)
PDX-WAS: 1 (DCA 1)


United resumes its lone IAD nonstop in March.


Not sure why this is personal for you. In the summer, PDX goes N/S to DCA (AS), BWI (AS and SW), and IAD (UA). I’m sill stunned by the comparisons between PDX and SEA. Apples and oranges my friend. Not only does SEA have a much larger population, but that same population carries a much wealthier passenger. Plus, the fact that SEA has way more MASSIVE Fortune 500 companies willing to fly their employees in F all over the world. Just doesn’t compute. I get the homerism, but enough with trying to compare...constantly. It gets old. If airlines thought they would make enough money, don’t you think they would open/expand said route? You think airlines are looking for ways to not make money? It’s like this thread has its own SANFAN. Let’s be real with expectations. This city has plenty of options around the globe, for its size. More will come when warranted.

Nobody said anything about it being "personal", and he has the right to be upset about that. I also think that an 8 to 1 SEA vs. PDX ratio is very lopsided. I think that an 8 to 4 ratio sounds about right for SEA/PDX to WAS. There are plenty of other flights to/from SEA and PDX that are lopsided in my opinion. What you say about SEA having more business potential and the general population differences between SEA and PDX also has merit, however I do think that PDX is a bit under served. But I live in the PDX area, so of course I'm going to think that... :smile:

Also, this is absolutely nothing compared to the guy who keeps on wining and complaining about Detroit (DTW)...


lol...PDX is incredibly well served for a city it's size and only 1 major world headquarter building (NIKE). PDX is wayyyy to seasonal to maintain some long thin routes through the winter. That's why airlines taper down their flights int he winter, but in the late spring and summer those flights go back up because of the high summer tourist demand. If airlines could make money on these long thin routes they'd operate them, afterall airlines like to make money. They aren't non profits. Also, some dude keeps on saying that PDX should land a flight to Hong Kong on Cathay Pacific soon...not gonna happen. It'd go to Seattle first where there is a much larger business climate to support the flight. Apples to oranges when comparing Portland to Seattle.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:26 pm

FA9295 wrote:
pdxav8r wrote:
jbpdx wrote:

I remember several AA PDX-ORD dailies last year. OneWorld’s presence in Portland continues to wither.

Meanwhile, my personal peeve: The disparity between SEA-WAS and PDX-WAS nonstops just went from ridiculous to ludicrous:

SEA-WAS: 8 (IAD 3, BWI 3, DCA 2)
PDX-WAS: 1 (DCA 1)


United resumes its lone IAD nonstop in March.


Not sure why this is personal for you. In the summer, PDX goes N/S to DCA (AS), BWI (AS and SW), and IAD (UA). I’m sill stunned by the comparisons between PDX and SEA. Apples and oranges my friend. Not only does SEA have a much larger population, but that same population carries a much wealthier passenger. Plus, the fact that SEA has way more MASSIVE Fortune 500 companies willing to fly their employees in F all over the world. Just doesn’t compute. I get the homerism, but enough with trying to compare...constantly. It gets old. If airlines thought they would make enough money, don’t you think they would open/expand said route? You think airlines are looking for ways to not make money? It’s like this thread has its own SANFAN. Let’s be real with expectations. This city has plenty of options around the globe, for its size. More will come when warranted.

Nobody said anything about it being "personal", and he has the right to be upset about that. I also think that an 8 to 1 SEA vs. PDX ratio is very lopsided. I think that an 8 to 4 ratio sounds about right for SEA/PDX to WAS. There are plenty of other flights to/from SEA and PDX that are lopsided in my opinion. What you say about SEA having more business potential and the general population differences between SEA and PDX also has merit, however I do think that PDX is a bit under served. But I live in the PDX area, so of course I'm going to think that... :smile:

Also, this is absolutely nothing compared to the guy who keeps on wining and complaining about Detroit (DTW)...



I agree, nothing said it was personal. BTW Washington has oh my a whopping 8 Fortune 500 companies based there, yes this is more than Oregon's 3, but nothing to get over excited about. I also agree the 8 to 1 is a little lopsided for flights to DC area. But airlines want to rout the PDX customers via Seattle. This is just something we will have to live with until more competition enters these market places. If Seattle keeps drawing 650,000 passengers from PDX each year, they will keep the flights there and cut back in PDX seasonally.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:30 pm

SANFan wrote:
pdxav8r wrote:
It’s like this thread has its own SANFAN. Let’s be real with expectations. This city has plenty of options around the globe, for its size. More will come when warranted.

Hey!!!!!!

Not sure if I like the reference or not, but I guess the 'publicity' is prolly a good thing in any case!

(BTW, a good post, pdxav8r.)

In a related matter, looks like PDX got a new route from F9 this morning -- AUS! That's a positive, right?

bb


Ha! (OR AV Thread lurker...), cold busted. So funny! Nah man, but you were the first poster that came to mind. I always respect your energy and dedication to your home base, as I do those on the OR AV Thread.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:39 am

Attn spotters! HA 767 on its way from OGG. Looks like a sub from the A321.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:04 am

jsta1981 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
pdxav8r wrote:

Not sure why this is personal for you. In the summer, PDX goes N/S to DCA (AS), BWI (AS and SW), and IAD (UA). I’m sill stunned by the comparisons between PDX and SEA. Apples and oranges my friend. Not only does SEA have a much larger population, but that same population carries a much wealthier passenger. Plus, the fact that SEA has way more MASSIVE Fortune 500 companies willing to fly their employees in F all over the world. Just doesn’t compute. I get the homerism, but enough with trying to compare...constantly. It gets old. If airlines thought they would make enough money, don’t you think they would open/expand said route? You think airlines are looking for ways to not make money? It’s like this thread has its own SANFAN. Let’s be real with expectations. This city has plenty of options around the globe, for its size. More will come when warranted.

Nobody said anything about it being "personal", and he has the right to be upset about that. I also think that an 8 to 1 SEA vs. PDX ratio is very lopsided. I think that an 8 to 4 ratio sounds about right for SEA/PDX to WAS. There are plenty of other flights to/from SEA and PDX that are lopsided in my opinion. What you say about SEA having more business potential and the general population differences between SEA and PDX also has merit, however I do think that PDX is a bit under served. But I live in the PDX area, so of course I'm going to think that... :smile:

Also, this is absolutely nothing compared to the guy who keeps on wining and complaining about Detroit (DTW)...


lol...PDX is incredibly well served for a city it's size and only 1 major world headquarter building (NIKE). PDX is wayyyy to seasonal to maintain some long thin routes through the winter. That's why airlines taper down their flights int he winter, but in the late spring and summer those flights go back up because of the high summer tourist demand. If airlines could make money on these long thin routes they'd operate them, afterall airlines like to make money. They aren't non profits. Also, some dude keeps on saying that PDX should land a flight to Hong Kong on Cathay Pacific soon...not gonna happen. It'd go to Seattle first where there is a much larger business climate to support the flight. Apples to oranges when comparing Portland to Seattle.

Seattle already has a flight to Hong Kong via Delta, and they're upgrading that service from the A330-200 to the B777-200LR. The only reason that I'd think Cathay Pacific could target PDX one day is the current cargo operation there.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:22 am

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jsta1981 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Nobody said anything about it being "personal", and he has the right to be upset about that. I also think that an 8 to 1 SEA vs. PDX ratio is very lopsided. I think that an 8 to 4 ratio sounds about right for SEA/PDX to WAS. There are plenty of other flights to/from SEA and PDX that are lopsided in my opinion. What you say about SEA having more business potential and the general population differences between SEA and PDX also has merit, however I do think that PDX is a bit under served. But I live in the PDX area, so of course I'm going to think that... :smile:

Also, this is absolutely nothing compared to the guy who keeps on wining and complaining about Detroit (DTW)...


lol...PDX is incredibly well served for a city it's size and only 1 major world headquarter building (NIKE). PDX is wayyyy to seasonal to maintain some long thin routes through the winter. That's why airlines taper down their flights int he winter, but in the late spring and summer those flights go back up because of the high summer tourist demand. If airlines could make money on these long thin routes they'd operate them, afterall airlines like to make money. They aren't non profits. Also, some dude keeps on saying that PDX should land a flight to Hong Kong on Cathay Pacific soon...not gonna happen. It'd go to Seattle first where there is a much larger business climate to support the flight. Apples to oranges when comparing Portland to Seattle.

Seattle already has a flight to Hong Kong via Delta, and they're upgrading that service from the A330-200 to the B777-200LR. The only reason that I'd think Cathay Pacific could target PDX one day is the current cargo operation there.


But KE never started PDX passenger ops when they served cargo ops here, neither did NCA, nor Air China. Totally different animal.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:35 am

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Attn spotters! HA 767 on its way from OGG. Looks like a sub from the A321.


Yup, and I think I found the lucky culprit! ;)

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N592HA
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:28 am

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It’s like this thread has its own SANFAN. Let’s be real with expectations. This city has plenty of options around the globe, for its size. More will come when warranted.

Hey!!!!!!

Not sure if I like the reference or not, but I guess the 'publicity' is prolly a good thing in any case!

(BTW, a good post, pdxav8r.)

In a related matter, looks like PDX got a new route from F9 this morning -- AUS! That's a positive, right?

bb


F9 is a funny animal. Kinda surprised they're still in business. Their schedules are so convoluted. This
AUS flight will probably last about as long as their REDEYE to DEN this summer. It leaves at 1255A!
The other flight to DEN leaves at 726P and it's not daily. I'm looking at a week in June, subject
to change of course!
 
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OAG thread changes,

F9 DEN-PDX JUN 1.9>1.4 AUG 0.7>0.5

G4 EUG-IWA MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3
G4 EUG-LAS MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 EUG-OAK JUL 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.4>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.4>0.3
G4 LAS-MFR JUL 0.4>0.3
707, 717, 720, 727-1/2, 737-1/2/3/4/5/7/8/9, 747-1/2/3, 757, 767-2/3/4, 777-2/3, DC8, DC9, MD80/2/7/8, D10-1/3/4, M11, L10-2/5, A300/310/319/320
AA AC AQ BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HG HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WN WP YS 8M
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:33 am

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OAG thread changes,

F9 DEN-PDX JUN 1.9>1.4 AUG 0.7>0.5

G4 EUG-IWA MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3
G4 EUG-LAS MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 EUG-OAK JUL 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.4>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.4>0.3
G4 LAS-MFR JUL 0.4>0.3

How come the OAG didn't load F9's new routes? (i.e. AUS-PDX; AUS-SEA)
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:24 am

FA9295 wrote:
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OAG thread changes,

F9 DEN-PDX JUN 1.9>1.4 AUG 0.7>0.5

G4 EUG-IWA MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3
G4 EUG-LAS MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 EUG-OAK JUL 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.4>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.4>0.3
G4 LAS-MFR JUL 0.4>0.3

How come the OAG didn't load F9's new routes? (i.e. AUS-PDX; AUS-SEA)


I was wondering that when I was pulling the info together this week. I'm guessing it has to do with when F9 announced the routes & the OAG cut off date, a better question for enilria.
707, 717, 720, 727-1/2, 737-1/2/3/4/5/7/8/9, 747-1/2/3, 757, 767-2/3/4, 777-2/3, DC8, DC9, MD80/2/7/8, D10-1/3/4, M11, L10-2/5, A300/310/319/320
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:55 pm

RWA380 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
OAG thread changes,

F9 DEN-PDX JUN 1.9>1.4 AUG 0.7>0.5

G4 EUG-IWA MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3
G4 EUG-LAS MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 EUG-OAK JUL 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.4>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.4>0.3
G4 LAS-MFR JUL 0.4>0.3

How come the OAG didn't load F9's new routes? (i.e. AUS-PDX; AUS-SEA)


I was wondering that when I was pulling the info together this week. I'm guessing it has to do with when F9 announced the routes & the OAG cut off date, a better question for enilria.


F9 also extended the 3x weekly CLE-PDX flight through August. It seems like a lot of the low frequency changes don’t get picked up.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:15 pm

RWA380 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
OAG thread changes,

F9 DEN-PDX JUN 1.9>1.4 AUG 0.7>0.5

G4 EUG-IWA MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3
G4 EUG-LAS MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 EUG-OAK JUL 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.4>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.4>0.3
G4 LAS-MFR JUL 0.4>0.3

How come the OAG didn't load F9's new routes? (i.e. AUS-PDX; AUS-SEA)


I was wondering that when I was pulling the info together this week. I'm guessing it has to do with when F9 announced the routes & the OAG cut off date, a better question for enilria.

That's what I was thinking too. It'll likely be in the next update...
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:40 pm

What is Sun Country's schedule? Is it seasonal?
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:17 pm

Cathay Pacific Cargo is flying PDX-HKG nonstop Monday and today; first time (I think) two days in a row direct.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:33 pm

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How come the OAG didn't load F9's new routes? (i.e. AUS-PDX; AUS-SEA)

I think I can offer an answer. (I think lakeeffect touched on it.)

I asked Enilria about a similar omission a year or so ago regarding some less-than-daily service at you-know-where. I was told he doesn't normally deal with less-than-daily routes. I know that's not always the case in his OAG threads but that's what I was told.

I think if a route is daily or larger, and it drops to less than daily, it might be listed but if it's a new route that is sub-daily from the beginning, no. And sometimes he does a special airline-specific recap, such as for Allegiant, most of which are sub-daily flights, and then he will list everything. Maybe he'll do one for F9 at some point.

IF your flights don't show up next Sunday, I would ask him why; don't be shy.

For what it's worth, I agree with what most here are saying about F9 and their skeds. I pretty much ignore what they do because things come and go and are rarely daily. It's almost impossible to keep track of their skeds, even including DEN! Seasonal flights fly for a few months, then they just disappear... (At least we in SAN have an 11:30pm curfew so we don't have to worry about half the flights leaving between midnight and 3am! And we have the same luxury with Spirit.)

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:09 am

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What is Sun Country's schedule? Is it seasonal?


Yes, it's seasonal. Dates are 03MAY-03SEP. They flew longer last year. Using a 738 instead
of a 73G...although some flights last year were operated by a 738.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:03 pm

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flyoregon wrote:
What is Sun Country's schedule? Is it seasonal?


Yes, it's seasonal. Dates are 03MAY-03SEP. They flew longer last year. Using a 738 instead
of a 73G...although some flights last year were operated by a 738.

Delta has been gradually increasing MSP-PDX/PDX-MSP flights, so sun country is probably hurting from that...
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:06 pm

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Just noticed Alaska is flying an E175 PDX-BNA, AS9790. Charter? Test run? I guess the plane has the range. Might be a light load.

Now we know that an E175 can fly this route (albeit, the flight was probably empty, making the load/weight much lighter)... Perhaps a daily E175 could work on this route, which would be really great for AS to start...
 
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:33 pm

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Just noticed Alaska is flying an E175 PDX-BNA, AS9790. Charter? Test run? I guess the plane has the range. Might be a light load.

Now we know that an E175 can fly this route (albeit, the flight was probably empty, making the load/weight much lighter)... Perhaps a daily E175 could work on this route, which would be really great for AS to start...


According to Embraer it can handle 2,150 nm full. https://www.embraercommercialaviation.c ... jets/e175/
That would make BNA and MSY possible. SkyWest and Horizon still have 11 and 23 E175s (resp) on order for Alaska. Not sure when they’re due. Then there’s the pilot shortage. And restoring existing routes. MCI and STL are still operating effectively as seasonal right now.
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:23 pm

jbpdx wrote:
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jbpdx wrote:
Just noticed Alaska is flying an E175 PDX-BNA, AS9790. Charter? Test run? I guess the plane has the range. Might be a light load.

Now we know that an E175 can fly this route (albeit, the flight was probably empty, making the load/weight much lighter)... Perhaps a daily E175 could work on this route, which would be really great for AS to start...


According to Embraer it can handle 2,150 nm full. https://www.embraercommercialaviation.c ... jets/e175/
That would make BNA and MSY possible. SkyWest and Horizon still have 11 and 23 E175s (resp) on order for Alaska. Not sure when they’re due. Then there’s the pilot shortage. And restoring existing routes. MCI and STL are still operating effectively as seasonal right now.


STL-SFO is weight restricted at times. That makes me think anything much longer than that isn't going to happen. The only route scheduled longer I think is MSN-SFO (which hasn't started yet)
STL-SFO 1,508 nm
MSN-SFO 1,541 nm
PDX-BNA 1,715 nm

I think if loaded PDX-BNA was doable on a E175 that it would already be in service.
 
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:04 pm

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FA9295 wrote:
Now we know that an E175 can fly this route (albeit, the flight was probably empty, making the load/weight much lighter)... Perhaps a daily E175 could work on this route, which would be really great for AS to start...


According to Embraer it can handle 2,150 nm full. https://www.embraercommercialaviation.c ... jets/e175/
That would make BNA and MSY possible. SkyWest and Horizon still have 11 and 23 E175s (resp) on order for Alaska. Not sure when they’re due. Then there’s the pilot shortage. And restoring existing routes. MCI and STL are still operating effectively as seasonal right now.


STL-SFO is weight restricted at times. That makes me think anything much longer than that isn't going to happen. The only route scheduled longer I think is MSN-SFO (which hasn't started yet)
STL-SFO 1,508 nm
MSN-SFO 1,541 nm
PDX-BNA 1,715 nm

I think if loaded PDX-BNA was doable on a E175 that it would already be in service.


That’s been the general consensus, but Embraer says otherwise. Their fact sheet seems pretty clear about range: “Range Full PAX*, LRC, typical mission reserves 2,150 nm.” (*) Single-class seating at 32” pitch; Passengers at 100 kg (220 lb)
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:13 pm

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Jshank83 wrote:
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According to Embraer it can handle 2,150 nm full. https://www.embraercommercialaviation.c ... jets/e175/
That would make BNA and MSY possible. SkyWest and Horizon still have 11 and 23 E175s (resp) on order for Alaska. Not sure when they’re due. Then there’s the pilot shortage. And restoring existing routes. MCI and STL are still operating effectively as seasonal right now.


STL-SFO is weight restricted at times. That makes me think anything much longer than that isn't going to happen. The only route scheduled longer I think is MSN-SFO (which hasn't started yet)
STL-SFO 1,508 nm
MSN-SFO 1,541 nm
PDX-BNA 1,715 nm

I think if loaded PDX-BNA was doable on a E175 that it would already be in service.


That’s been the general consensus, but Embraer says otherwise. Their fact sheet seems pretty clear about range: “Range Full PAX*, LRC, typical mission reserves 2,150 nm.” (*) Single-class seating at 32” pitch; Passengers at 100 kg (220 lb)


Then they need to talk to UA about why they asked people to get off a plane on a route 600 nm shorter. Maybe that weight per person isn't high enough, they don't factor in enough luggage, or the winds going west against the jetstream.

EDIT: I found this

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Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:45 pm

2,150 nm is also for long range. I doubt any of the Skywest or Horizon E175s are LR. Standard effective range is 1,700 nm. When PDX-BNA (1,715 nm) happens it will probably be WN 737.
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:19 pm

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2,150 nm is also for long range. I doubt any of the Skywest or Horizon E175s are LR. Standard effective range is 1,700 nm. When PDX-BNA (1,715 nm) happens it will probably be WN 737.

Yeah, I've heard the WN PDX-BNA spiel a lot on here. Who knows, if the pax numbers rise a bit, an AS 737 could be in the future...
 
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:32 pm

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2,150 nm is also for long range. I doubt any of the Skywest or Horizon E175s are LR. Standard effective range is 1,700 nm. When PDX-BNA (1,715 nm) happens it will probably be WN 737.

Also, Alaska's E175's are the "LR" version. See for example, N170SY: http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-e170-483.htm
 
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:38 pm

FA9295 wrote:
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2,150 nm is also for long range. I doubt any of the Skywest or Horizon E175s are LR. Standard effective range is 1,700 nm. When PDX-BNA (1,715 nm) happens it will probably be WN 737.

Also, Alaska's E175's are the "LR" version. See for example, N170SY: http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-e170-483.htm


http://www.skywest.com/about-skywest-airlines/aircraft/ Skywest's website lists their range as Max Range 1,564 NM.
https://www.alaskaair.com/content/trave ... craft/e175 Alaska's website lists their range as Max Range 1,800 NM.

We will just see if anything changes I guess. I still think PDX-BNA is too long for whatever config they have but there are so many different numbers I don't really know which one is right.
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