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Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:52 am

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If anyone wants to know why there were 2 Condor 767s here today. The one last night was late in arriving. It also had a no flaps landing hence all the ARFF vehicles greeted it upon arrival. The crew timed out and it never left.



I saw the maintenance team working on the flaps of the blue colored one. I assumed it was the Seattle divert from yesterday. A good day to see heavies at PDX. Delta LHR take off, ABX heavy take off, then the Condor take off, and UPS 747 came in as well.
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:23 pm

I do not know if it diverted from SEA. I do know it did a no flaps and no thrust reverser landing. The ARFF had to shoot the brakes as they were a little hot......
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:24 pm

Always nice to see the Queen of the Skies here in the new Cathay livery. With a south runway closure always a pleasure !
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:11 pm

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Always nice to see the Queen of the Skies here in the new Cathay livery. With a south runway closure always a pleasure !


Thanks again Bill for all the great shots from PDX, keep 'em coming.
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Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:37 pm

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I do not know if it diverted from SEA. I do know it did a no flaps and no thrust reverser landing. The ARFF had to shoot the brakes as they were a little hot......



Yes it was from Seattle and diverted to us after take off. I received the alert notice.
 
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Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:42 pm

RWA380 thank you !
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pdxswa wrote:
Always nice to see the Queen of the Skies here in the new Cathay livery. With a south runway closure always a pleasure !


Thanks again Bill for all the great shots from PDX, keep 'em coming.
 
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Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:05 pm

OAG 10/7/2018:

PDX:
AA CLT-PDX JAN 1.8>0.9[1.2] FEB 2>1.5[1.0]
AA DFW-PDX JAN 4>3[3]
AA LAX-PDX JAN 3>4[3]
AA ORD-PDX JAN 2>1.1[1.2] FEB 3>1.8[1.0]
AS PDX-SEA FEB 23>24[23]
DE FRA-PDX MAY 0.3>0[0.3]
FI KEF-PDX MAY 0.8>0.5[0.5] JUN 1.5>0.7[0.8]

EUG:
UA DEN-EUG MAR 3>2.0[2.0] APR 3>2[2] MAY 3>2[2.0]
UA EUG-SFO JUN 5>4[5] JUL 5>4[5]

MFR:
UA DEN-MFR MAR 3>2[2]
UA MFR-SFO JUN 4>5[5] JUL 4>5[5]

RDM:
AA LAX-RDM JAN 1.2>1.7[1.0] FEB 1.0>1.3[1.0]
UA DEN-RDM MAR 3>2[1.0] APR 3>2[1.7] MAY 3>2[2]
UA RDM-SFO JUN 3>5[5] JUL 3>5[5]


Some bad news for PDX:
- AA's second PDX-CLT flight is getting delayed, yet again (they've delayed it what, like four different times already...?!)
- DE is dropping PDX-FRA (or at least significantly delaying it)
- FI significantly reduces PDX-KEF
 
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Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:54 pm

- DE is dropping PDX-FRA (or at least significantly delaying it)
Not true...I just has a later starting date of June 7th.............
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:19 am



An Idaho A-10 taxiing in for static display for this year’s air show.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:22 am



The beautiful RCAF demo CF-18A on the ramp at HIO a couple hours after arriving the Tuesday before the show. Unfortunately, the demo was cancelled due to maintenance issues and ended up being added to the static display.
 
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Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:48 pm

OAG: 10/14/2018

B6 JFK-PDX JUN 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 LGB-PDX MAY 0>1.0[2] JUN 0>0.4[2]

FI KEF-PDX JUL 1.7>0.9[0.8]

*UA EUG-LAX APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0] JUL 0>2[0]

- Note that B6 JFK/LGB-PDX are both still daily in June, but the schedule for them stops halfway through June, hence why "0.4" is displayed instead of "1.0"
- UA is adding EUG-LAX! Starting April 1, 2019 at 2x daily, too! (1x ERJ-175 and 1x CRJ-700). Still waiting on PDX-LAX, United...
 
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Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:56 pm

On a separate note, JetBlue just added their summer seasonal routes into their schedule filing, and PDX-BOS/ANC was not listed. There's a strong possibility that these two routes will not be returning next year. Just checked other B6 summer seasonal routes out of BOS, and they are listed. SEA-ANC is also listed, while PDX-ANC is not.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:21 am

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On a separate note, JetBlue just added their summer seasonal routes into their schedule filing, and PDX-BOS/ANC was not listed. There's a strong possibility that these two routes will not be returning next year. Just checked other B6 summer seasonal routes out of BOS, and they are listed. SEA-ANC is also listed, while PDX-ANC is not.


I had a feeling PDX-ANC was a goner for B6. Too bad...it kept AS honest on pricing.

Hopefully DL jumps back on it.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:40 am

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FA9295 wrote:
On a separate note, JetBlue just added their summer seasonal routes into their schedule filing, and PDX-BOS/ANC was not listed. There's a strong possibility that these two routes will not be returning next year. Just checked other B6 summer seasonal routes out of BOS, and they are listed. SEA-ANC is also listed, while PDX-ANC is not.


I had a feeling PDX-ANC was a goner for B6. Too bad...it kept AS honest on pricing.

Hopefully DL jumps back on it.


Other than just last half of June & July, maybe the whole month, B6 was selling sub $100 fares on PDX-ANC-PDX flights last year. They just don't have the traction to even attract travelers on a busy seasonal route.

I am sure the bean counters at B6 know the market just isn't worth running an A-320 on a 4 hour flight for each direction with such low fares, AS didn't even try to match the fares too much. I agree B6 kept AS from gouging, but it really never seemed to affect the AS flights too much on fare & load factors.
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:16 pm

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Chugach wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
On a separate note, JetBlue just added their summer seasonal routes into their schedule filing, and PDX-BOS/ANC was not listed. There's a strong possibility that these two routes will not be returning next year. Just checked other B6 summer seasonal routes out of BOS, and they are listed. SEA-ANC is also listed, while PDX-ANC is not.


I had a feeling PDX-ANC was a goner for B6. Too bad...it kept AS honest on pricing.

Hopefully DL jumps back on it.


Other than just last half of June & July, maybe the whole month, B6 was selling sub $100 fares on PDX-ANC-PDX flights last year. They just don't have the traction to even attract travelers on a busy seasonal route.

I am sure the bean counters at B6 know the market just isn't worth running an A-320 on a 4 hour flight for each direction with such low fares, AS didn't even try to match the fares too much. I agree B6 kept AS from gouging, but it really never seemed to affect the AS flights too much on fare & load factors.


It is/was good utilization flying when fuel is/was cheap.

I say I hope DL resumes the route because they have something of a frequent flier base in PDX and have shown interest in non-hub routes from Portland in the past.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:36 pm

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*UA EUG-LAX APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0] JUL 0>2[0]

- UA is adding EUG-LAX! Starting April 1, 2019 at 2x daily, too! (1x ERJ-175 and 1x CRJ-700). Still waiting on PDX-LAX, United...


This is a welcome add and is interesting because, EUG being a relatively small market, most routes are only served by one carrier (right now only SEA has competition between DL and QX - PHX is served by AA but G4 flies into AZA). AA is already on LAX, but their crazy-high 98% load factor for August, plus the 10%-ish annual growth for the whole airport, shows there is a lot of room yet.

It's also interesting because UA continues to give AS a bollocking in market share, and AS has just sort of rolled over and taken it.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:42 pm

Speaking of EUG to SoCal, I guess G4 is still serving EUG-SAN as it's listed as 'seasonal'. I'm never really sure if this is true -- even for next season -- or exactly what that season might be.

That being said, I wonder if there is a market for a real airline to serve EUG-SAN at least year-round, even if still sub-daily? AAG certainly comes to mind but I know EUG-SJC is gone, and apparently they are not interested in flying to LA from central Oregon so I suppose I shouldn't hold my breath. (The airline industry causes me to hold my breath so much, my face is permanently blue!)

I know UA would never do a p-2-p route to SAN and I can't think of anyone else who might consider it so I guess, for the mid-term future the choices remain Allegiant -- if they happen to fly when a trip is necessary -- or drive to PDX for a nonstop to San Diego.

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Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:15 pm

PDX-BOS isn't showing up either, and B6's only other transcon summer seasonal flight out of BOS (SMF-BOS) is showing up starting May 16th, so it may be safe to assume that B6 is also ending PDX-BOS. Perhaps they couldn't handle AS adding on a second daily flight, and I'm sure that AS's goal was to chase B6 off of the route entirely.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:20 pm

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Speaking of EUG to SoCal, I guess G4 is still serving EUG-SAN as it's listed as 'seasonal'. I'm never really sure if this is true -- even for next season -- or exactly what that season might be.

That being said, I wonder if there is a market for a real airline to serve EUG-SAN at least year-round, even if still sub-daily? AAG certainly comes to mind but I know EUG-SJC is gone, and apparently they are not interested in flying to LA from central Oregon so I suppose I shouldn't hold my breath. (The airline industry causes me to hold my breath so much, my face is permanently blue!)

I know UA would never do a p-2-p route to SAN and I can't think of anyone else who might consider it so I guess, for the mid-term future the choices remain Allegiant -- if they happen to fly when a trip is necessary -- or drive to PDX for a nonstop to San Diego.

bb,

I wouldn't count on AS to start SAN-EUG, although SAN-GEG was a welcomed surprised by AAG, so anything's possible. EUG-SJC was recently pulled and only survived off of EAS federal grant funds, so I'm sure there would need to be some sort of long-term financial incentive for AS to start the route up.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:00 pm

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I wouldn't count on AS to start SAN-EUG, although SAN-GEG was a welcomed surprised by AAG, so anything's possible. EUG-SJC was recently pulled and only survived off of EAS federal grant funds, so I'm sure there would need to be some sort of long-term financial incentive for AS to start the route up.


There was EAS money for SJC-EUG???
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:15 pm

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I wouldn't count on AS to start SAN-EUG, although SAN-GEG was a welcomed surprised by AAG, so anything's possible. EUG-SJC was recently pulled and only survived off of EAS federal grant funds, so I'm sure there would need to be some sort of long-term financial incentive for AS to start the route up.


There was EAS money for SJC-EUG???

My mistake, I'm not sure why I said EAS, but I do know that SJC-EUG was funded and once those funds ran out, the route ended.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:40 pm

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FA9295 wrote:
I wouldn't count on AS to start SAN-EUG, although SAN-GEG was a welcomed surprised by AAG, so anything's possible. EUG-SJC was recently pulled and only survived off of EAS federal grant funds, so I'm sure there would need to be some sort of long-term financial incentive for AS to start the route up.


There was EAS money for SJC-EUG???

My mistake, I'm not sure why I said EAS, but I do know that SJC-EUG was funded and once those funds ran out, the route ended.


I guess it was via the city, which owns the airport? Not 100% sure.

It might have survived on its own but for other factors: we had a pretty large Silicon Valley software company with a major site here (1500-ish employees at one point), but they have laid off or relocated almost everyone, which no doubt reduced demand. And the fact that UA upgauged their SFO flight to mainline, against the QX Q400 to SJC, well, you do the math.
 
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Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:09 pm

N214HA suffered another bird strike Sunday night. It is sitting over in the new space reserved for HA here at PDX. By the UPS ramp.
 
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:12 am

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N214HA suffered another bird strike Sunday night. It is sitting over in the new space reserved for HA here at PDX. By the UPS ramp.

Heh, and they've already got the A330 substituting on the route again: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL ... /PHNL/KPDX
 
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:22 am

Well no doubt anyone on that wait-list cleared for boarding today, must be empty by HA standards with the up-gauge, only sold to A-321 capacity. A non-rev'ers good luck.
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:39 pm

According to another thread, Aeromexico is dropping PDX next year. That didn't last long.
 
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:32 pm

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According to another thread, Aeromexico is dropping PDX next year. That didn't last long.

Not very surprising to say the least, there's no feed on the PDX end and the flight isn't timed well for connections through MEX. The only reason why SEA-MEX performs so much better is because of their partnership with Delta. PDX-MEX was solely O&D traffic, while SEA-MEX is O&D traffic + flight connections via Delta.

The last scheduled flight appears to be on January 6, 2019. I also know that the Port of Portland heavily pushed for this flight (although no financial incentives were given to my knowledge), so that's a very big loss for them as well.

Maybe Volaris could start the route, and/or increase their GDL frequencies...
 
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:31 pm

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... it may be safe to assume that B6 is ending PDX-BOS. Perhaps they couldn't handle AS adding on a second daily flight, and I'm sure that AS's goal was to chase B6 off of the route entirely.

Interesting to me is that we have exactly the opposite situation in SAN: B6, IMO, is trying to run AS off the route with 2 or 3 daily flights, to AS's one. Also, B6 has Mint on the route.

But AS seems to be holding their own. I do wish AAG would double up on the route and take up the fight but I've pretty much given up on that idea. There's quite a bit of traffic in the market and I would like to think that at some point in time, both airlines would fly SAN-BOS double-daily (at least.).

On a separate note, It's no surprise to see AM dropping PDX-MEX. That's just the way that carrier is, and always has been -- start a route, drop it; start it, drop it again. I'm never particularly excited when AM starts a new U.S. route since there's a 50/50 chance it won't see its 1st anniversary...

If there's truly a market for PDX-MEX, I'd be hoping AS will eventually try it. Who knows, it could happen.

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According to another thread, Aeromexico is dropping PDX next year. That didn't last long.

Not very surprising to say the least, there's no feed on the PDX end and the flight isn't timed well for connections through MEX. The only reason why SEA-MEX performs so much better is because of their partnership with Delta. PDX-MEX was solely O&D traffic, while SEA-MEX is O&D traffic + flight connections via Delta.
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The ONLY reason? Nothing to do with SEA being a much larger and wealthier market? What kind of logical connections could be made on the SEA end via Delta?
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:21 pm

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According to another thread, Aeromexico is dropping PDX next year. That didn't last long.

Not very surprising to say the least, there's no feed on the PDX end and the flight isn't timed well for connections through MEX. The only reason why SEA-MEX performs so much better is because of their partnership with Delta. PDX-MEX was solely O&D traffic, while SEA-MEX is O&D traffic + flight connections via Delta.
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The ONLY reason? Nothing to do with SEA being a much larger and wealthier market? What kind of logical connections could be made on the SEA end via Delta?

Fine, maybe not the only reason, but they still gained flight connections via Delta that helped to fill up the planes. It's most likely regional flights to/from SEA.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:03 am

I've been getting sponsored content on my Instagram from Delta promoting service from PDX to a Japanese city. At first I thought it was an ad for the nonstop to NRT but no, Delta is marketing PDX-SEA-KIX to Portland customers already. It's obvious that many SEA flights rely heavily on Portland traffic. A few months ago I added up all the seats available on a weekday from PDX to SEA. I believe the number came out to around 2,100. That's enough people to fill up nearly five A380's!
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:19 am

Bad news on MEX. I flew it last year to go to Mexico City (lovely city), gf is using it in a few weeks to do same.
Got a PDX-MEX-GUA trip booked over Christmas. MEX was *great* for connections down to Central America.

I do imagine a lack of feed from DL hurt it (and none from anyone else)... that said, I’m really surprised it only lasted a year.
That was a great way to get to Central America, and I think if it had stuck around a few more years and people found that out, it would have grown.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:55 am

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FA9295 wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:
According to another thread, Aeromexico is dropping PDX next year. That didn't last long.

Not very surprising to say the least, there's no feed on the PDX end and the flight isn't timed well for connections through MEX. The only reason why SEA-MEX performs so much better is because of their partnership with Delta. PDX-MEX was solely O&D traffic, while SEA-MEX is O&D traffic + flight connections via Delta.
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The ONLY reason? Nothing to do with SEA being a much larger and wealthier market? What kind of logical connections could be made on the SEA end via Delta?


Hey no Doug....you're not supposed to use common Sense on this thread. People get mad. Of course it has nothing to do with Seattle being larger and weslthier...ya silly goose.....
 
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I've been getting sponsored content on my Instagram from Delta promoting service from PDX to a Japanese city. At first I thought it was an ad for the nonstop to NRT but no, Delta is marketing PDX-SEA-KIX to Portland customers already. It's obvious that many SEA flights rely heavily on Portland traffic. A few months ago I added up all the seats available on a weekday from PDX to SEA. I believe the number came out to around 2,100. That's enough people to fill up nearly five A380's!

That's interesting. I would figure that they would promote the service that already exists at PDX (referring to the the NRT flight, of course).
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:25 am

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Not very surprising to say the least, there's no feed on the PDX end and the flight isn't timed well for connections through MEX. The only reason why SEA-MEX performs so much better is because of their partnership with Delta. PDX-MEX was solely O&D traffic, while SEA-MEX is O&D traffic + flight connections via Delta.
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The ONLY reason? Nothing to do with SEA being a much larger and wealthier market? What kind of logical connections could be made on the SEA end via Delta?


Hey no Doug....you're not supposed to use common Sense on this thread. People get mad. Of course it has nothing to do with Seattle being larger and weslthier...ya silly goose.....

I'll add something to this, even though I already clarified my statement above.

When these MEX flights (from SEA and PDX) were first announced, they were promoted as to increase their partnership with Delta. So it only makes sense that connections via Delta are made. I realize that most of it is probably just O&D traffic, but connecting traffic still plays a big role in these flights being successful (or not successful, in the case of PDX).

Sure, SEA is obviously the larger market (wouldn't necessarily call it "wealthier", though; that depends on how one views the market itself), so it was clearly a mistake on my part to say that it was the only reason for the SEA-MEX flight being successful, which again, I already clarified that above.

Trust me, I understand why some people on here get triggered when the SEA vs. PDX discussions rise about; I don't necessarily like discussing it either, but at the same time, comparing the two airports' route networks to one another is very important in trying to understand each of the airlines' strategies at these two airports, as well as the entire Pacific Northwest in general.

and for the record, it's not complaining about Seattle getting more flights than Portland at all. SeaTac has way more than doubled the traffic then PDX gets, and for good reason. That ship sailed a very long time ago.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:12 am

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According to another thread, Aeromexico is dropping PDX next year. That didn't last long.

Not very surprising to say the least, there's no feed on the PDX end and the flight isn't timed well for connections through MEX. The only reason why SEA-MEX performs so much better is because of their partnership with Delta. PDX-MEX was solely O&D traffic, while SEA-MEX is O&D traffic + flight connections via Delta.

The last scheduled flight appears to be on January 6, 2019. I also know that the Port of Portland heavily pushed for this flight (although no financial incentives were given to my knowledge), so that's a very big loss for them as well.

Maybe Volaris could start the route, and/or increase their GDL frequencies...


You have mentioned the DL connection, concerning SEA. That is a large part of it, absolutely. DL connects SEA with flights from MFR, EUG, and RDM. DL just overflies PDX. So, PDX really was a stretch. SEA flew the same amount of flights to MEX, same plane, but had far greater feed opportunities. Now, DL will add PDX to the connection. Those flights will most likely now be packed, and priced accordingly. Probably a smart move at the moment. Can’t really doubt DL’s moves. Most likely at a loss for the consumer, unfortunately.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:09 pm

What is even more interesting is. This same frame suffered a bird strike a month before coming into here. It left yesterday 10/18/19 around 1445 hours.

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:22 pm

pdxswa wrote:
What is even more interesting is. This same frame suffered a bird strike a month before coming into here. It left yesterday 10/18/19 around 1445 hours.

RWA380 wrote:
Well no doubt anyone on that wait-list cleared for boarding today, must be empty by HA standards with the up-gauge, only sold to A-321 capacity. A non-rev'ers good luck.


I saw that someone had mentioned "another" bird strike & then I wondered where that first bird strike took place, was it here at PDX? Maybe this will be HA's unlucky frame, I sure hope not.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:24 pm

Yes both of the bird strikes took place on approach to PDX. On the same HA Neo months apart. One last week and the other one was a month or so ago. The most recent one was more severe as. The plane was here for 4 days.

RWA380 wrote:
pdxswa wrote:
What is even more interesting is. This same frame suffered a bird strike a month before coming into here. It left yesterday 10/18/19 around 1445 hours.

RWA380 wrote:
Well no doubt anyone on that wait-list cleared for boarding today, must be empty by HA standards with the up-gauge, only sold to A-321 capacity. A non-rev'ers good luck.


I saw that someone had mentioned "another" bird strike & then I wondered where that first bird strike took place, was it here at PDX? Maybe this will be HA's unlucky frame, I sure hope not.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:32 pm

pdxswa wrote:
Yes both of the bird strikes took place on approach to PDX. On the same HA Neo months apart. One last week and the other one was a month or so ago. The most recent one was more severe as. The plane was here for 4 days.

RWA380 wrote:
pdxswa wrote:
What is even more interesting is. This same frame suffered a bird strike a month before coming into here. It left yesterday 10/18/19 around 1445 hours.



I saw that someone had mentioned "another" bird strike & then I wondered where that first bird strike took place, was it here at PDX? Maybe this will be HA's unlucky frame, I sure hope not.


That is something you just know has an astronomical odds of happening, when all the variables are factored in. Thanks Bill!
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:04 am

Not good for any airline when it happens. The chances were probably higher because there are so few of them in service ? You are welcome !

RWA380 wrote:
pdxswa wrote:
Yes both of the bird strikes took place on approach to PDX. On the same HA Neo months apart. One last week and the other one was a month or so ago. The most recent one was more severe as. The plane was here for 4 days.

RWA380 wrote:

I saw that someone had mentioned "another" bird strike & then I wondered where that first bird strike took place, was it here at PDX? Maybe this will be HA's unlucky frame, I sure hope not.


That is something you just know has an astronomical odds of happening, when all the variables are factored in. Thanks Bill!
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:22 am

OAG 10/21/2018:

DL DTW-PDX APR 1.5>1.1[1.0]
Y4 GDL-PDX JAN 0.5>0.8[0.6]

- Interesting to see Y4 GDL-PDX go up in frequencies, since this is when AM ends MEX-PDX.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:54 am



Boeing’s latest paint ferry departing out of
PDX.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:31 pm

Since everybody loves a good PDX vs SEA debate, I thought I’d look at some economic indicators to shed some light on why SEA has been growing exponentially more than PDX. The cliff notes version is that Seattle’s economy has grown exponentially more than Portland’s.

Currently metro Seattle has the 11th largest GDP in the country; metro Portland has the 21st largest. Sounds about right, but digging in to the numbers a little bit sheds some more light on things. In 2012, Seattle’s GDP was $267,420,000 and Portland’s was $144,551,000. The delta between the two cities at that time was $122 million and change. Fast forward to 2017, and Portland saw solid economic growth at a rate of 19% over five years, increasing the GDP to $171,772,000. The eye opener is that Seattle saw 33% growth from the same time period; the delta between Seattle and Portland increased by an additional $62 million, meaning the cities are now separated by $184 million in total GDP. Another way of looking at it is that Portland added $27,221,000 of GDP over the five year period; Seattle added $89,100,000 over the same time period. In other words, Seattle’s economy grew about three times faster than Portland’s in the 2012-2017 timeframe. That is significant, and I think it helps explain why SEA has continued to go gangbusters with new service (now the rumor, according to another thread, is SQ starting SIN-SEA).

But not all is lost. Bend is the fastest growing economy in the Northwest (I looked at Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, and Alaska), with 58% growth in five years. Medford and Eugene are also humming along quite nicely at 32% and 22%, respectively. Put it all together and you can start to see why AA and UA have been so quick to jump on RDM, MFR, and EUG. In addition, Salem has seen 36% growth to overtake Eugene in overall economic output, and in fact is now the second largest economic center in Oregon after Portland. One could probably make the argument that SLE is ready for commercial service again, but I think it suffers from a case of TooclosetoPDXitis.

Of the major cities in the Northwest (Seattle, Portland, Boise, Spokane, and Anchorage), Portland has (barely) the lowest positive growth rate at 19%. It goes Seattle at 33% growth, Boise at 29%, Spokane at 20%, and Portland at 19%. Anchorage has tanked in the last five years due to the drop in oil prices, with a -11% decrease in economic output. That said, ANC has continued to see modest growth in air traffic due to tourism as well as its isolation.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:12 pm

Hello again from EUG with another low res shot from my phone.

Ducks inbound charter from SFO taxis to the cargo apron, with some company "practicing" the 34L approach.

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:58 am

m0ssy wrote:
Hello again from EUG with another low res shot from my phone.

Ducks inbound charter from SFO taxis to the cargo apron, with some company "practicing" the 34L approach.

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Wow! How cool that they popped in to Eugene!!! Was that this afternoon?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:04 am

ANA787 wrote:
DL PDX-LHR will be going daily next summer. New PDX departure time: 6:08pm


Glad to see this. Hope they make it year round from the following year with 4x weekly on non-summer season.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:07 pm

rosecityspotter wrote:
m0ssy wrote:
Hello again from EUG with another low res shot from my phone.

Ducks inbound charter from SFO taxis to the cargo apron, with some company "practicing" the 34L approach.

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Wow! How cool that they popped in to Eugene!!! Was that this afternoon?


This was Friday afternoon. :wave:
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:45 pm

Not much this week...

OAG 10/28/2018:
UA IAH-PDX MAR 3>2[2.0]
UA SFO-PDX MAR 8>7[7]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:48 pm

No numbers from PDX for September. I don’t remember it ever being this late for a monthly release.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU, CMH

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