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Pretty impressive. What’s with these Sunday only flights? They don’t make any sense.
 
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Pretty impressive. What’s with these Sunday only flights? They don’t make any sense.

My thought is they are there partly to test a market. They run these routes on Sunday which is typically a busy travel day of the week. They don’t have much investment running just once a week if the route doesn’t perform. Also, it buys a little time to grow the market. If it does well it can easily be escalated to daily.
 
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Impressive growth! I feel like as soon as they finish the D gate addition they will have to turn to an addition on either A or B if this growth continues at this rate.
 
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Pretty impressive. What’s with these Sunday only flights? They don’t make any sense.


Bachelorette parties going home maybe? I know that sounds absurd but walking through C on a Sunday is a sorry sight of hungover ladies in pink cowboy hats on the floor charging their phones.
 
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No PDX

eff 6/9/19
BNA-BUR
BNA-SJC
BNA-OMA (Sundays only)

eff 6/10/19 weekday only
BNA-BOS +1 (now 4)
BNA-DTW +1 (now 3)
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BNA-MSP +1 (now 2)
BNA-SAN +1 (now 3)
BNA-STL +1 (now 4)

seasonal return
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:42 pm

Great news! Awesome to see WN investing so much at BNA. Great to get some more California service.
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BNA-SEA (last op Sep 2018)


The story linked above says this is returning as weekend service. Not seasonal daily?
 
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124 daily departures Mon-Sat. 133 Sunday.
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:41 pm

I wonder if this expansion has anything to do with the Amazon annoucement on Tuesday?

Good for BNA though. UA sure missed a big opportunity here......
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:48 pm

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I wonder if this expansion has anything to do with the Amazon annoucement on Tuesday?

Good for BNA though. UA sure missed a big opportunity here......


I wouldn't think they would have added a bunch of stuff last minute to this schedule because of Amazon. They could always backfill it later. I don't even think they will be there by summer anyway, will they? I think Nashville is just growing enough to warrant it/it seems like they are moving stuff up from ATL.
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:52 pm

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Fargo wrote:
I wonder if this expansion has anything to do with the Amazon annoucement on Tuesday?

Good for BNA though. UA sure missed a big opportunity here......


I wouldn't think they would have added a bunch of stuff last minute to this schedule because of Amazon. They could always backfill it later. I don't even think they will be there by summer anyway, will they? I think Nashville is just growing enough to warrant it/it seems like they are moving stuff up from ATL.


How many daily departures will STL and ATL have this summer?
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:56 pm

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MNAA CEO Kreulen says there will be more route announcements in 2018. Maybe one from WN tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/DougKreulen/status/ ... 7054570497


WN has its schedule extension tomorrow, so I think that WN is likely to announce new nonstop routes out of BNA tomorrow.


PDX, SMF, or IND would be ideal.

Southwest definitely won't add PDX (they didn't this time around), so that leaves Alaska; and given Alaska's significant downsizing at PDX, I doubt that we'll see the route in the near future.
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:00 pm

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Midwestindy wrote:

Impressive growth! I feel like as soon as they finish the D gate addition they will have to turn to an addition on either A or B if this growth continues at this rate.


It's going to get interesting once D is opened and the IAB begins construction. B and C are going to lose gates during that construction. We might see some carriers on the end of B moved over to D temporarily. Someone is going to have to move.

When BNA Vision is done on the airside, they better have Vision version 2 in the works because a net gain of 6 gates is likely not going to sustain growth in the 20's.
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TYSflyer wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Impressive growth! I feel like as soon as they finish the D gate addition they will have to turn to an addition on either A or B if this growth continues at this rate.


It's going to get interesting once D is opened and the IAB begins construction. B and C are going to lose gates during that construction. We might see some carriers on the end of B moved over to D temporarily. Someone is going to have to move.

When BNA Vision is done on the airside, they better have Vision version 2 in the works because a net gain of 6 gates is likely not going to sustain growth in the 20's.


I hope they look into that. Turn A into an L shape, and extend towards 20R. For all we know, WN could want all of C one day. Then AA could take those new gates.
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:10 pm

Pretty excited for the second MSP flight. Timings on the existing one suck.
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:34 pm

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Jshank83 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
I wonder if this expansion has anything to do with the Amazon annoucement on Tuesday?

Good for BNA though. UA sure missed a big opportunity here......


I wouldn't think they would have added a bunch of stuff last minute to this schedule because of Amazon. They could always backfill it later. I don't even think they will be there by summer anyway, will they? I think Nashville is just growing enough to warrant it/it seems like they are moving stuff up from ATL.


How many daily departures will STL and ATL have this summer?


No clue on ATL. STL is 122 mon-fri I think. I think it is around 836 a week (but I haven't done the numbers yet). Sounds like BNA moved ahead now assuming the numbers I saw someone else post are right.. ATL might be under both the way they have been pulling back there lately.
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:38 pm

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runner13 wrote:
Pretty impressive. What’s with these Sunday only flights? They don’t make any sense.

My thought is they are there partly to test a market. They run these routes on Sunday which is typically a busy travel day of the week. They don’t have much investment running just once a week if the route doesn’t perform. Also, it buys a little time to grow the market. If it does well it can easily be escalated to daily.


I think that's right. OKC is back Sunday only next summer, which tells me that there is also a business case for a stable (i.e. neither getting cut nor growing to daily) Sunday only flights in at least some markets.
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:07 pm

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Great news! Awesome to see WN investing so much at BNA. Great to get some more California service.


Happy to see this, hopefully we will see BNA-SNA or BNA-LGB in the future......
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:11 pm

dronezone wrote:
pdt2f wrote:
Great news! Awesome to see WN investing so much at BNA. Great to get some more California service.


Happy to see this, hopefully we will see BNA-SNA or BNA-LGB in the future......


SNA would be great, and I see SMF in the future.
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:39 pm

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dronezone wrote:
pdt2f wrote:
Great news! Awesome to see WN investing so much at BNA. Great to get some more California service.


Happy to see this, hopefully we will see BNA-SNA or BNA-LGB in the future......


SNA would be great, and I see SMF in the future.

I’m shocked we don’t serve SMF yet just based on the amount of bags I see going to SMF every day. I realize that’s not criteria to start a route but I see many more SMF than BUR that’s for sure.
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:46 pm

I’m sure the BUR add is about 1. Entertainment industry connections (most major studios are around the airport) and 2. providing another option to get into the Los Angeles area while avoiding the utterly congested LAX.

I do wonder if LAX will see a frequency reduction as a result of this add.
 
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I’m sure the BUR add is about 1. Entertainment industry connections (most major studios are around the airport) and 2. providing another option to get into the Los Angeles area while avoiding the utterly congested LAX.

I do wonder if LAX will see a frequency reduction as a result of this add.


LAX runs 2x on weekends, and 3x on weekdays. I recall it being 4x daily in the past. Also, BNA will surpass STL in daily departures with this extension.
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I’m sure the BUR add is about 1. Entertainment industry connections (most major studios are around the airport) and 2. providing another option to get into the Los Angeles area while avoiding the utterly congested LAX.

I do wonder if LAX will see a frequency reduction as a result of this add.


On the BUR end, this adds a significant east of the Mississippi connecting option for WN, particularly with DL adding BUR-ATL around the same time.
 
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Random add to BUR and not PDX

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Random add to BUR and not PDX

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Lot of movie and music traffic between the two. Especially once all the sound stages are complete here.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:16 am

I didn’t realize this will only be BUR’s 4th location east of the Mississippi, with ATL on DL to follow as the 5th a month later. The others are MDW, BOS, and JFK. Kind of impressive that we’re one of such a select group of eastern cities serviced from a California airport.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:39 am

So I was thinking. The new proposed IAB going between C and B will have 6 gates. I was thinking that Nashville will never need 6 international gates. My bet is that AA will move in there and share 2-3 gates with international carriers when they need them. BA and JAL are OneWorld so I could see this kinda working out. WN could take the rest of C, turn the current Admirals Club and offices into a crew domicile. Just speculation but maybe that’s why the MNAA hasn’t proposed the idea of expanding B or A yet. Besides NK, a German and Mexican carrier, I see nobody else adding BNA service. Another proposal I think they could look at, is to convert the current IAB into more regular gates on the A Concourse.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:42 pm

Impressive gains for BNA. 124 departures M-S and 133 departures on Sunday. This is what happens when you become a Focus City. Connecting traffic continues to grow at BNA (along with O&D...but it is connections that make this schedule possible)
 
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So I was thinking. The new proposed IAB going between C and B will have 6 gates. I was thinking that Nashville will never need 6 international gates. My bet is that AA will move in there and share 2-3 gates with international carriers when they need them. BA and JAL are OneWorld so I could see this kinda working out. WN could take the rest of C, turn the current Admirals Club and offices into a crew domicile. Just speculation but maybe that’s why the MNAA hasn’t proposed the idea of expanding B or A yet. Besides NK, a German and Mexican carrier, I see nobody else adding BNA service. Another proposal I think they could look at, is to convert the current IAB into more regular gates on the A Concourse.


Will all 6 gates have access to customs/immigration? I say that because at the new terminal going up in MSY, the new Concourse A has been designated the INTL concourse, with 6 gates, as well. Initially, not all 6 are going to be configured for INTL arrivals, but the terminal was built in such a way that the sterile corridor can be expanded to additional gates if demand permits. Perhaps BNA is doing something similar, or maybe all 6 will be customs gates from the get go.

Regardless, great to see the BNA expansion. Well needed and long overdue.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:55 pm

With WN’s addition of BNA-SJC, Nashville now has the Bay Area well covered. Pretty cool thinking Nashville had 0 flights there until WN started OAK in Summer 2015.
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Impressive gains for BNA. 124 departures M-S and 133 departures on Sunday. This is what happens when you become a Focus City. Connecting traffic continues to grow at BNA (along with O&D...but it is connections that make this schedule possible)



Good luck on your subsidized one flight a day to LAX.
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If a WN crew base were to happen, it would be in D.
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Lexy wrote:
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Impressive gains for BNA. 124 departures M-S and 133 departures on Sunday. This is what happens when you become a Focus City. Connecting traffic continues to grow at BNA (along with O&D...but it is connections that make this schedule possible)



Good luck on your subsidized one flight a day to LAX.



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Lexy and Runner....keep living the dream that BNA O&D is filling every seat....even when you include the Amazon and E&Y job adds...over 7 years.....Nashville O&D is not filling all those seats.
3M-4M is connecting per year on WN via the FOCUS Operation at BNA.

Heck if SDF keeps adding flights....subsidized or not....it starts retaining more of its catchment....to the chagrin of airports in the region who currently capture that catchment.

Regardless, its great for BNA to keep adding flights....at current trajectory (14% yoy) it will be busier than ATL by 2034.
 
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Lexy and Runner....keep living the dream that BNA O&D is filling every seat....even when you include the Amazon and E&Y job adds...over 7 years.....Nashville O&D is not filling all those seats.
3M-4M is connecting per year on WN via the FOCUS Operation at BNA.

Heck if SDF keeps adding flights....subsidized or not....it starts retaining more of its catchment....to the chagrin of airports in the region who currently capture that catchment.

Regardless, its great for BNA to keep adding flights....at current trajectory (14% yoy) it will be busier than ATL by 2034.



Correct me if I am wrong.... I do not think anyone has ever claimed every seat is O&D. We are all aware there are connecting PAX via Southwest. Our argument here is that there is a lot more O&D than you give BNA credit for. Other airlines would not be continually beefing up service otherwise. Look at UA for example...BNA was ERJ land until the last couple of years. While Southwest is growing because of their "Focus" operation, there is plenty of growth occurring across the board, the success of the LHR flight is a great example. As a side note my apartment is in the landing pattern when planes are landing to the north. There have been many mornings where UA has a 737-900 flying in on the early morning flight out of EWR. That route used to solely be ERJ. With that said I do suspect that once Southwest has additional gate capacity more flow through traffic will come off of ATL and into BNA.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:54 pm

Regarding BNA-PDX -- or lack thereof -- the first 2 quarters of 2018 (according to DOT Table 6) averaged 202 PDEW! That sure seems to me to be enough local traffic to support a daily nonstop, to say nothing of the connecting traffic that the route would carry, depending on which carrier would add the nonstop - AS or WN.

I cant' believe that the likes of either F9 or SY hasn't jumped on the route either.

What an odd failure to serve....

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Regarding BNA-PDX -- or lack thereof -- the first 2 quarters of 2018 (according to DOT Table 6) averaged 202 PDEW! That sure seems to me to be enough local traffic to support a daily nonstop, to say nothing of the connecting traffic that the route would carry, depending on which carrier would add the nonstop - AS or WN.

I cant' believe that the likes of either F9 or SY hasn't jumped on the route either.

What an odd failure to serve....

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Numbers are actually, Q1 73 PDEW and Q2 130 PDEW since you divide by 2, however the Q2 PDEW is huge for an unserved route. At this point you have to think it is something on the PDX end, as numerous cities are getting added on the BNA end.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:17 pm

BNA's growth is not disputable. The impact of the Focus city ops is under-appreciated imo. Reality is WN operated @80 daily departures in 2011 and BNA handled 8M annual passengers. WN will soon operate 124/133 daily departures. Passenger growth is 60%; MSA has grown 16%. WN departures has grown @60%+. ULCC have also helped that growth. UA, AA and DL have all been up-gauging all over their systems because the 50 seaters are not economical to fly; BNA benefits from that trend and also from its own growth. Not sure how much bigger WN gets at BNA. WN is not a 'hub" carrier like the legacies. Suspect their growth will keep pace with Nashville's growth. Am interested to see how the battle for BNA-ATL goes between DL and WN. Can not imagine that capacity continuing for more than a year before someone retreats. The renderings of the BNA Vision are impressive!
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Am interested to see how the battle for BNA-ATL goes between DL and WN. Can not imagine that capacity continuing for more than a year before someone retreats.


August Numbers
WN ATL-BNA 52.7% LF 8,463 pax
DL ATL-BNA 83.8% LF 45,868 pax

WN BNA-ATL 54.9% LF 8,980 pax
DL BNA-ATL 82.8% LF 45,820 pax

I'll be interested to see how these flights do in the winter
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:36 pm

Amazing the WN has such a low LF on BNA-ATL seems that DL's strategy of putting the 757-200 on many of the frequencies is working out.

Will be interesting to see if the 757's stick around for the long haul at BNA.. I have seen other equiptment now serving some of the BNA-ATL-BNA routes... Today DL has 11x ATL-BNA 6 757-200 and 5x MD-88

I am booked on the route late November 29th and find it to be 737-900ER find that one a bit odd and I thought I saw a random A321-200 mixed in at some point on the route.

Any clue what DL's fleetplan for the route is long term? If the pilot I sat next to is correct he said they are retiring 1 MD-88 a week for the forseable future which should mean they leave the fleet with 18-20 months.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:55 pm

On the entire issue of bna atl, I wouldn’t write off wn so soon. Bos atl has been a bloodbath since b6 entered but both airlines have stuck with their capacity with no signs of giving up. If this was truly a route that Nashville business demanded, wn will keep eating the losses. From what I can see, dl still has very strong point of sale at bna. Wn is showing willingness to turn it into a fortress station like bwi. It has to run this kind of money loosing routes along with all their other additions to get there.

And maybe they will cut more flights at atl and force connections over to bna over time to keep growing it. Wn seems pretty strategic about building up new focus cities.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:19 pm

Yes, WN should build up BNA to LAS, DEN, DAL levels IMO. Nashville is an ideal location for a hub, it is a shame UA can't make BNA their SE hub.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:28 pm

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Bluegrass60 wrote:
Am interested to see how the battle for BNA-ATL goes between DL and WN. Can not imagine that capacity continuing for more than a year before someone retreats.


August Numbers
WN ATL-BNA 52.7% LF 8,463 pax
DL ATL-BNA 83.8% LF 45,868 pax

WN BNA-ATL 54.9% LF 8,980 pax
DL BNA-ATL 82.8% LF 45,820 pax

I'll be interested to see how these flights do in the winter


I’ve had business in Atlanta this fall and based solely on observation, suspect WN’s l/fs may have gone up a bit. I’ve been on many flights, including one on a MAX, with 90 percent or better l/fs. It’s been sort of surprising.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:31 pm

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On the entire issue of bna atl, I wouldn’t write off wn so soon. Bos atl has been a bloodbath since b6 entered but both airlines have stuck with their capacity with no signs of giving up. If this was truly a route that Nashville business demanded, wn will keep eating the losses. From what I can see, dl still has very strong point of sale at bna. Wn is showing willingness to turn it into a fortress station like bwi. It has to run this kind of money loosing routes along with all their other additions to get there.

And maybe they will cut more flights at atl and force connections over to bna over time to keep growing it. Wn seems pretty strategic about building up new focus cities.


I agree, I think this route is a long-term planning decision to route ATL originating and destined connecting traffic. I don’t know if the fact it’s such a short flight makes it a less expensive loss if yields and LF’s are low? It may take a year or two but those loads will go up as traffic is diverted from ATL to BNA.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:51 pm

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I’m sure the BUR add is about 1. Entertainment industry connections (most major studios are around the airport) and 2. providing another option to get into the Los Angeles area while avoiding the utterly congested LAX.

I do wonder if LAX will see a frequency reduction as a result of this add.


If you're not connecting is there any advantage to flying into LAX over SNA, BUR, etc? Every time I go to LA I avoid LAX like the plague.
 
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Re: What's Going On In Nashville? - 2018

Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:10 am

in re BNA-ATL......why would anyone O&D from ATL connect anywhere??? The only way the route stays for WN is if WN decides to really downsize ATL.

LF for winter months will be worse

DL will win the battle for BNA....and when they do....some of that extra lift (757) down gauges

The BNA-ATL WN loads are weaker than the SDF-ATL loads when WN served that route with 3 flights/day....DL won that battle as well.
 
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Re: What's Going On In Nashville? - 2018

Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:12 am

BNA-BUR could never...ever be supported by O&D between those cities....there is not that much entertainment industry traffic. This route feeds into WN connections at BNA
 
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Re: What's Going On In Nashville? - 2018

Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:20 am

Bluegrass60 wrote:
BNA-BUR could never...ever be supported by O&D between those cities....there is not that much entertainment industry traffic. This route feeds into WN connections at BNA


This flight will have plenty of O&D. Wouldn’t surprise me if SNA is added.
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Re: What's Going On In Nashville? - 2018

Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:26 am

southwest1675 wrote:
Bluegrass60 wrote:
BNA-BUR could never...ever be supported by O&D between those cities....there is not that much entertainment industry traffic. This route feeds into WN connections at BNA


This flight will have plenty of O&D. Wouldn’t surprise me if SNA is added.


Issue with SNA is southwest has been losing seats there. So they have been cutting routes. Not adding them. I don’t even think MDW is year round anymore there.

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